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An unpleasant attack at a Muslim cemetery
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30.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 12:07 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

You got to be joking!! Right?

The links were  about burning, blasting churches, removing Christian graveyards, removing people and their traces etc. 

can you not see the connection and similarity and the similar hatred of others in both incident? (of course ignoring the argument that they might have been just drunken teenagers!) 

I mean, seriously?

I think it is only some Turkish people´s logic work such as way like ´Turks dont do such things/never did/will never do. But Christians do´.

And the most important and depressing thing is that they think ´that logic is very normal´ and others must think the same..  {#emotions_dlg.confused}

 

 

 

Why should I be joking?

This is about attcaking tombstones I have also provided another link for attacks on tombstones in Christian graveyards.

 

You´re talking about something else.

If a municipality decides to destroy a graveyard it´s (or should be) a legal action. I´m sure they wouldn´t do it without justifying their decision legally. It can be a Muslim or Christian graveyard or whatever.

31.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 12:27 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Why should I be joking?

This is about attcaking tombstones I have also provided another link for attacks on tombstones in Christian graveyards.

 

You´re talking about something else.

If a municipality decides to destroy a graveyard it´s (or should be) a legal action. I´m sure they wouldn´t do it without justifying their decision legally. It can be a Muslim or Christian graveyard or whatever.

 

I was talking about ´countless´ incidents happening in Turkey even today  against non-muslims.

How come some idiotic christians are attacking  muslims tombstones and destroying them are more different than the incidents dome by some idiotic muslims against non-muslims?

 

 

32.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 12:34 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I was talking about ´countless´ incidents happening in Turkey even today  against non-muslims.

How come some idiotic christians are attacking  muslims tombstones and destroying them are more different than the incidents dome by some idiotic muslims against non-muslims?

 

 

 

Earlier you said:

So, what happened to the Christian grave yard in Trabzon? Municipal government demolished all of them with a bulldozer in a night. There have been many incident like this  happened and still happening in Turkey

 

And I said, it should be legal action if it´s done by a municipality. It happened in my village.

 

If you have details that it was an illegal action, you can share it here.

33.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 12:40 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Earlier you said:

So, what happened to the Christian grave yard in Trabzon? Municipal government demolished all of them with a bulldozer in a night. There have been many incident like this  happened and still happening in Turkey

 

And I said, it should be legal action if it´s done by a municipality. It happened in my village.

 

If you have details that it was an illegal action, you can share it here.

 

It was not me saying that.. I just translated what a Turkish person commented into the article.

And that incident is just a simple and single incident!! 

I dont think it is important if it is illegal or legal..

It wont change the generic perspective of the whole point or the moral of the story :

"we should look at ourselves first and have some kind knowledge about WHAT HAPPENED and what is happening and then, try to criticise the  xenophobia of others!"

34.       si++
3785 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 12:52 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

It was not me saying that.. I just translated what a Turkish person commented into the article.

And that incident is just a simple and single incident!! 

I dont think it is important if it is illegal or legal..

It wont change the generic perspective of the whole point or the moral of the story :

"we should look at ourselves first and have some kind knowledge about WHAT HAPPENED and what is happening and then, try to criticise the  xenophobia of others!"

 

Talk is cheap. If it is legal, you shouldn´t be talking about it. They destroyed a Muslim graveyard in my village as well, legally of course.

 

Of course it has been another opportunity for you to whitewash Turks.

 

35.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 06:56 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

I personally think God hates 100% of what you, Barba do. If He hates 100% of what you do then He must hate 100% of what others do.

 

 Thank God you only know 1% of what I do And I don´t see the link that if He hates what I do, then he must hate what others do. Do all people do exactly what I am doing all the time? My mom is cooking dinner for me right now (thanx mom!) and I´m behind the computer at the moment... Hm... two different things... How do you explain THAT

 

It is striking to see how all you can talk about comes from the Bible. I usually try to use my (God given) common sense. The Bible is not an exclusive guide to life. It doesn´t state an explanation for every possible thing in life. It leaves room for you to use your brain in every day circumstances, like, for example, the million ways in which you can hurt people. It doesn´t have to say "By the way, it´s not nice to destroy graves" because it assumes that people can make their own smart decisions about it. Does it say anything about torturing kittens? Or about chewing off the toes of living people?



Edited (8/16/2010) by barba_mama

36.       libralady
5152 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 09:56 pm

 

Quoting Thebirdy

destroying cemeteries, churches or other places of spiritual worshipping is nothing but cowardice and the will to eredicate someone´s cultural and historical heritage. It is not only an act of vandalism itself but also disrespect towards collective heritage, values or emotions held by certain groups or ethnicities. Those who commit such things want to deprive them of their memories. Unfortunately it happens all over the world to any dominations or religions.Pity that the places that are designed to peace are instruments of political struggle.

 

I agree, and how distressing it is for those whose loved ones graves have been damaged by mind less thugs.  I have seen stories where the graves of young children have been destroyed and any ornaments have been stolen.  I find it totally sickening. 

37.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 16 Aug 2010 Mon 11:01 pm

This is a hate crime pure and simple.  It was done so that Muslims would know they are hated, not by an individual but by a nameless, faceless coward.  There seems to be an escalating amount of hate in the world and attacking what most people would consider sacred ground is an insult to the living...not the dead. 

38.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Aug 2010 Tue 12:34 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 Thank God you only know 1% of what I do And I don´t see the link that if He hates what I do, then he must hate what others do. Do all people do exactly what I am doing all the time? My mom is cooking dinner for me right now (thanx mom!) and I´m behind the computer at the moment... Hm... two different things... How do you explain THAT

BM, I dont know what you do. It is said generally. It is difficult for a person like you to understand certain things. As somewhere Armegon or Si-- may have mentioned - you think of yourself as a perfect and ideal citizen - so in your own eyes you are sinless. Therefore, you dont need and repentance or forgiveness from God.

 

It is striking to see how all you can talk about comes from the Bible.

This is the only thing I trust and believe because it makes sense. If it didnt it would be just another religious book with good morals included.

I usually try to use my (God given) common sense. The Bible is not an exclusive guide to life.

That God given common sense must bring you back to His Word. It is designed so. Bible is not a guide book. It is a book to learn about God.

It doesn´t state an explanation for every possible thing in life.

It does.

It leaves room for you to use your brain in every day circumstances, like, for example, the million ways in which you can hurt people.

Two main messages of Bible: love your God (with all your heart, mind, strength and attention) and your neighbour.

It doesn´t have to say "By the way, it´s not nice to destroy graves" because it assumes that people can make their own smart decisions about it.

It says: Barba, stop making up.

Does it say anything about torturing kittens? Or about chewing off the toes of living people?

It says: I repeat, Barba, stop making silly statements and seek His Kingdom.

 

 

39.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Aug 2010 Tue 12:42 am

Its strange that you people love your deads, your grave stones, physical places of worship than God Creator of all.

If you loved God you wouldnt love tomb stones. Many of you buy an expensive piece of land at the cemetry to bury yourselves and family, then you make expensive stones to yourselves and come to take care of the places of dead.

Jesus was right saying: Let the dead bury their deads.

Blind leading blind to the pen of death.

40.       oeince
582 posts
 17 Aug 2010 Tue 12:56 am

Lemon, i do not approve your writing style. 

Anyone is free to think whatever they want. No one is obliged to abide by your bold and harsh words.

I feel you like the Catholic Church´es representatives in the middle age. 

You indispose people from the ideas you believe.

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