A roadside bomb attack killed at least 10 people Thursday in the latest violence that shook Turkey´s turbulent southeast..

 Earlier CNN-Türk television, citing Cihan news agency, had put the death toll at 12, but authorities confirmed eight deaths.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-221807-roadside-bomb-kills-10-aboard-minibus-in-turkey.html 

Kurdish terrorists killing Kurds? sounds familiar to me.

There might be more in this..

However, but I dont think everybody has "right" to complain about these.. Specially  people  who try to belittle Kurds with their racist remarks.. In the end, those are the people responsible this war...

I`m not complaining at all. They can now wave their pkk flags in the funeral with great pleasure.

can I ask why you christians hate the muslims but love the Kurds who are also muslims so much?

No.. You can not..

According to  AFP everybody is denying the attack..

I hope it is not Deep State again.. We will see..

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jsvDSGVMzTF0LUJy3e_YsYK5aNRQ 

No you are wrong, how come? they all boycotted the election, obeyed pkk, smell of Ergenekon there, Commandos from Hakkari Commando Brigade forgot their bag on the crime scene and also used mines made in Russia, I think taraf newspaper give a start to research, soon we can hope a video Turkish Commandos laying the mines, or a radio talk celebrating eachother how they killed the babies of ovepopulating Kurds...

 Should this not be "" why do some  christians hate muslims?

oh christine, don´t even try with arafta you will only get burned or totally frustrated

my guess is because too many events happened in Turkish history- which made Christians believe that Turks are a threat. Remember, Turkey was a major world power until WW1.  I grew up only ever hearing negative things about the Turks, and even in 2010, when i was visiting my boyfriend in Turkey, my mother said to me:  You will get abducted with that dress!    Turks embody everything Christians love to hate--- steamy harems, jealous husbands, a preoccupation with sex, violence,...  so the Christian flirtation with the Kurds is a ´your enemy is my enemy´ reaction.

i am saddened that people loose their lives over stupid politics.  my friend visited Var, very recently, and he was not impressed by the level of animosity and violence shown even by the children.   Hate begets hate, and this cycle has to end!

thank godot, at last a christian admits why they love Kurds so much! and thanks for admitting the fact that the christians hate Turks. You are at least an honest one.

for the first time, she is right

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for the first time, she is right

what the! we agree on one point? 

How much do you think your mother knows the Turks?

To be honest, it is the first time I have heard of this "the Christian flirtation with the Kurds is a ´your enemy is my enemy´ reaction".. Are you sure?

As far as the reason for the West being sympathetic to Kurds of Turkey is completely different.  There is whole range of issues such as thousands of Kurds immigrating to the west and telling the stories like banned Kurdish language; burning many Kurdish villages; torture; killings etc.. At some stage, anybody proving that they were coming from east of Turkey and saying that they were Kurds  were allowed in..I think it was in 1990s when the burning of the villages were taking place.. There are thousands of human rights violation  cases in EU Human rights courts. Many times Turkey was found guilty unfortunately _Just the day before yesterday, Turkey was found guilty in Hrant Dink case and has to pay thousands of Euros...

It always seemed to me that  emphty with the people who is oppressed.

Same as Vanessa Redgrave being sympathetic towards the Chechens..

I hope we dont end up like it happened in the incident a year ago..

Do you remember there was a very similar incident.. PKK planting a mine and killing 6 soldiers..

And later on, it turned out to be the mine was put by our army!! (later on we learnt it from a  recorded voice on the net..)

I am still abit cautious about this incident..There are videos around and they show some mines etc..

We should wait and see!!

Arafta

can I ask why you christians hate the muslims but love the Kurds who are also muslims so much?

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This is not true...everything is all but a history of the past....past is past...and I think to keep us going on, we should think about today and be positive...instead of killing each other, fighting here and everywhere...PEACE NOT WAR....How can anyone move on, if u always think about what happened before...my side, soon I´m going to convert to Islam from Christian, people ask me why? My mom even say, u should read all about Turkish and their past..well, i have my own will...it´s in my heart not because I will be married with a Turkish...no one´s forcing me to do it...For me, it doesnt really matter what religion u have, what´s important is the attitude...

No one´s perfect every country have their own problem...it´s people making everything complicated.....

My condolences for the family´s loved one who were killed in the incident......

Dualarımı.....Huzur içinde yat...

thanks for proving my argument.


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Wow, can you tell me why you have such a messed up view of Christians? There are some people who love Turks and hate Kurds. There are some Christians who hate Kurds and love Turks... There are some who love both, and there are even more who hate both. It´s like Christians are actuall people, all having different opinions! Strange, isn´t it...

But I can tell you, that I think the majority doesn´t give a *bleep* about Turks, Kurds, whatever. Why hate or love somebody that you have no connection with? I think some Turkish people have an egocentric view, like the whole world cares about what happens in Turkey. Newsflash... they don´t.

In the end, they managed to indoctrinate an entire generation with the belief that US and EU have nothing to do but messing with Turkey..

I am telling you.. We need shrinks!!!

I dont know how we will clear this mess since it seems it is not feasible to take the entire generation to a hospital..

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How come the citizens of a country that´s foreign policies mingling with Türkiye, do not know about where Türkiye is?

Either this is your exaggeration or American society is much more ignorant then we think!

thanks...

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But this does not change the fact of that EU and US have a special page for Türkiye on their foreign policy!

thanks.

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Huh, a test for geography knowledge? But if it will make you happy:

Greece, Bulgaria, Armenia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Georgia...

Hope it works for you, and answers the question in your mind !

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Oh, it is not very hard to know it! I already know that US is not interested in Türkiye because of loving us! We´re close to all strategic points; Balcanians, Middle East, Caucasians, Europe, Africa, Asia, Cyprus, Iran, Iraq...Shall I count more?

No that is fine, thanks

Hey bubble burster don´t waste your breath on explaining how sheer ignorant is an ´avarage American citizen´. ´The avarage American citizen´ did not care about Vietnam either, but

58.267 of them killed

303.644 wounded

1.711  missing in action there.

I think 99% of them couldn´t find it on a map before killed or wounded there.

And what about Afganistan or Iraq? Do you think that poor "avarage American citizen" knew where they were before he was sent and killed there?

And tell me for why USA has the most effective and powerful army, navy and air force in the world? Just for sport? 

We don´t say all the American citizens are interested in Turkey, but a few politicians who are enough to ruin the whole world.

What about bursting your own bubbles first? 

Since you have both OBVIOUSLY spend extensive time in America, I am sure you personally KNOW millions of Americans and are able to make this judgement.  I will just have to take your word for it, I guess.  Its just really weird that almost ALL of the Americans I know do know exactly where Turkey is, and strangely enough, most of them can even point to it on a map.  I must be living in one of those "smart pockets" of society.    I have lived in many places through out the world, including Turkey....I can assure you that stupid people live EVERYWHERE and are not indiginous to America.  AND being stupid is a prerequisite for being a politician. 

I can assure you that if I posted something on this site that said something like, "Turks are so stupid, they can´t even even find their ass with their own two hands" you all would have a friggin fit!  If you don´t like American politics, say what you want, but insulting an entire nation of people because of your distorted view is not acceptable. 

Then, don´t say it. Nobody here insulted the Americans, or address who has insulted them. And it is not acceptable of you to generalize all Turks saying that your sentence "Turks are so..."

What is this? You´ve been criticizing Turkish politics in here 24/7 and then expelling the oppositions and now what happened if I have criticized the American politics; by keeping American politics and American citizens apart, furthermore?!

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 I have not been critizing Turks or Turkey and I have been watching as every thread has been reduced to insults about everyone and everything from religion to nationality.  What I said in my post was just an example of the kind of ignorant things people have been saying about eachother, not how I feel.  And anyway, I think I have a right to stick up for my country just like you feel so compelled to stick up for yours.  I am simply pointing out a generization about a subject that I actually know something about.  I am sorry I don´t stick up for every generalization that is made, but I don´t usually argue about things I don´t know that much about....ie...Islam, Turkish politics...etc....I had not posted anything in this forum until someone decided that MOST Americans can´t find Turkey on a map because they saw some ignorant TV show...that simply IS NOT TRUE.   That would be like me asking a few Turks a question and then making a generalization about all Turks based on their answer. In any case, I apologize if my post offended you....it was not meant to do so.   

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Ten people...Ten ordinary and innocent people...Babies, oldies, women, men...They have meant just "a message" for their killers! A message to the goverment...Ten peoples lifes, their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, kids lifes just mean a message for the PKK!

The PKK is not even terrorist! They are barbarian! They can even kill Kurdish citizens just to create chaos and earn some power! The most discusting power gaining style!!!

The PKK is harmful for the Kurdish citizens first of all! They can do anything for power! Schoolroom bombings, minibus bombings, company bombings...

PKK lose every ideologic bases! They know that they came to the end of the road! Thats why they do the thing that they know the best! Being more and more bloody and barbarian!

These people really died! Their life is over! Why? Just to send message!

We got the message!

WHY cant people just take each other at face value...accept people for who they are NOT  what they are or which religion they believe in or dont believe in.....lets just live amongst eachother in harmony.....every person should want PEACE in their life..

Confirmed!

Saldırıyı Suriye uyruklu olan ve geçen yıl terör örgütünün silahlı kanadının başından uzaklaştırılan Fehman Hüseyi´nin adamları tarafından gerçekleştirildiği belirlendi.

(Attack was carried out by the gang of Fehman Husein who was holding a leader position in the terrorist PKK until last year)

Source: here

no need to comment...

 Well said!  If people on this site can´t post a few comments peacefully so what hope has the world got?

Who are all these "Christians" you all talk about?  I am English and have lived here all my life and only know about 10 Christians!

Don´t you realise we are proud of the comment the Pope´s adviser recently made about us as having a "new and aggressive atheism"?  It was incorrect actually, there is nothing "new" about our atheism.  

So, taking religion out of it, you wonder why we support Kurds and hate Turks?  I don´t know of anyone who hates Turks, but I do know that it is human nature to support the "underdog" and if a group of people have been suppressed or censored, we have a tendency to support them don´t we?  You Turks support every other suppressed minority in the world it seem, including those whose extreme supporters have also turned to terrorism (provided the west is to blame) but when the shoe is on the other foot you stamp your feet and become all firey! 

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I have been following the news..Thanks for this..

I read from other sources, as well as yours, that this massacare seems to be carried out by a splinter group which was kicked out of PKK some times ago. (I dont know 100% but PKK still denies their involvement)

I think, on both sides, Kurds and Turks, we should try to stop people who want this war continuing.

Obviously, there are many people who will like to see this war going on and on.

Perhaps, you may stop blaming on your own army and own State at first step, after this moment!

 As much as I would like to think there may be a chance that "we would all live in harmony" one day despite all our differences, whether it be race, religion, culture, etc. I know as well as most other people do that it´s just a dream that won´t come true.

You may think I´m being pessimistic but when it comes to it logically it makes sense. Quoting the saying "ever since there was religion, there was war" comes to mind. There will always be at least one individual who will state their mind when in comes to peoples differences which they are unable to help. Whether that person is of a different religion, a different skin color, speaks a different language, or even simply having a physical (noticeable) disability such as dwarfism, obesity, cerebal palsy etc. I got a little picked on for having asthma when I was at school but it soon stopped when they realised it didn´t effect my athletic skills.

In the end of the day though and as sad as it may seem, there will always be people on earth thinking they are more important than others.

The history of the world is full of crimes commited by the states and the armies. People who think, their own state never commits crimes but others (like Israel/USA etc) do, are simply naive.

Who is suppressed? Kurdish people are more free than Turkish people in Turkey. Kurds can live as they like in İstanbul, İzmir, Antalya, etc. all cities of Turkey but a Turkish person can´t live in peace in Diyarbakır, Hakkari, Şırnak etc.

If one likes to benefit İstanbul, he has to stay in peace in Hakkari. Noone deserves the statement of "underdog" if he kills innocent children, oldies, women or men...

Ok so again it´s not a "it´s terrible that people die because of politics" thread but a bashing one where we learn:

-everybody that is not Muslim is Christian

- all Christians support Kurds although they don´t actually know the difference between Kurds and Turks

- Americans are stupid and don´t know where Turkey is. It is astonishing how the US got their position in the world since they´re so ignorant. Fortunately Turks know where the US is. I wonder what makes so many of them move there if they´re so discriminated against there...

I can´t get your point of blaming Turks for this? It was not a TURKISH member who said that Americans were unable to find the Türkiye on map, it was "stumpy" who said it! But thanks to her for she has censored all her messages after creating all these complication! I strongly recommend you to revise what you learnt from this thread!

Turkishcobra - we´ve been members here for a while and I can´t count how many times similar statement came form a Turkish mouth (fingers?). But, fine, I can replace the word turkey with Canada in my post. Then it´s simply a libel (slander? I could never tell these two apart) as an act of revenge for being portrayed as having their heads cut in half in South Park

hum Daydreamer, you should see the Simpson´s episode where we are protrayed as pot smoking people with cheap medicine or the King of the Hill episode where we are portrayed as arogant, drunk, know it all tourists 

So, it is a problem when a Turk criticizes Americans but it is ok when a Canadian or a non-Turk does it, isn´t it?

You´re the last people to talk about equality, then! Besides, this thread is not suitable for having mutual jokes about your "distorted views" !

Ahm...I don´t follow, Turkishcobra. Why wouldn´t it be ok to criticise the US? It´s ok to criticise the US, UK, Uganda, the Pope, Mohamet, Britney Spears and The Lion King. Anybody can pass their judgement on anything. But you have to realise not everybody is going to agree with you.

Why would you think it´s not ok for a Turkish person to criticise the US? Actually many Americans criticise their country as well and nobody makes a fuss of it.

And what does it have to do with equality?

Ending the discussion on my own side. No more replies. I´m leaving everybody with his/her own ideas.

with respects,

t.c.

If we get back to the facts, omitting the denomination of Kurds, Turks, Muslims, Catholics etc. it is humans committing an act of violence against humans.  It is not because you are Kurd, Turk, Muslim, Catholic etc. that it is permitted to commit and act of violence against another human.  Why break down the humans into sub-categories?

10 people died.  I do not care what denomination they were, they were killed so that a point may be proven.  There are other ways to get a point across, to get recognition.  The only recognition that will be gotten from this action is that the ones who perpetrated this act of violence will be recognized as barbaric heartless killers.

Husbands, wives, brothers, sisters sons, daughters, those are what those 10 people were.   

I agree that people shouldn´t be put into categories according to their differences but i´m not sure if in some circumstances that there ARE other ways of getting a point across. Sometimes there is need for drastic action to be taken for someone of "no importance" to be taken seriously. I don´t mean there is a need of killing other people but their is a need for more than just "saying what you think" these days because our governments and people of "higher importance" simply don´t listen.

It goes back years from Emily Davidson being hit by the Kings horse at the Epsom Derby to stand for the rights of women along with many other women who fought. To Men protesting against more "rights" for dad´s when it comes to custody and court proceedings. All put their thoughts on letters and made less dramatical acts of trying to be heard but they were simply ignored. Maybe if the "higher" people made more of an effort to hear them, people wouldn´t result to such drastic measures. Though unfortunately I know it won´t be for all cases, but it would count for a lot of them.