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American Girls are the Worst!
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30.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 10:27 am

Is it just me or are Americans foreigners? How many native American people are still present in the U.S. today? The vast majority of people are Irish-American, African-American, British-American, yes even Dutch-American (all those people whose name starts with Vander). America per definition is a country with mixed cultures.

31.       Burak7777777
96 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 10:37 am

yeah thats why actually its pretty strange that our friend thinks "american girls" find him unpleasant even though hes not a typical turkish turk.

32.       newquaker
28 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 03:59 pm

 

Quoting Burak7777777

yeah thats why actually its pretty strange that our friend thinks "american girls" find him unpleasant even though hes not a typical turkish turk.

 

Nobody finds me unpleasent Burak, you´re totally missing the point. I am really tired of saying that it´s not a personal issue, I never implied that it was, such an occasion never happened, and been telling that it is a problem of general attitude towards pretty much all foreigners. Please read my posts more carefully.

33.       newquaker
28 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 04:03 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Is it just me or are Americans foreigners? How many native American people are still present in the U.S. today? The vast majority of people are Irish-American, African-American, British-American, yes even Dutch-American (all those people whose name starts with Vander). America per definition is a country with mixed cultures.

 

Yes yes all Americans are foreigners! By that logic, Turks are foreigners in Anatolia too (it used to belong to Byzatine. And yes the Dutch are foreigners in Netherlands too since they are simply a Germanic People who had migrated from the East! None of these change the general attitude of Americans towards foreigners, especially atttitudes of women towards foreign Men.

34.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 04:36 pm

Let´s get a few things straight, newquaker because you are hardly an innocent victim in this thread.


Just so you understand - these are the first comments in this thread that are rude and they are all made you YOU:


 


American Girls are the Worst


 


“Americans, on the other hand, have always been an impossibility for me. First of all, they are ignorant and/or prejudiced against Turks and also unwilling to bother to even think about anything serious with me. This is actually a general pattern of behavior here against foreigners. The so called hospitality is completely fake and does not exist on personal level, and once they are done with their jobs, they pay zero attention to you.”


  


This is why I thought you are talking about yourself and not foreigners or general attitudes towards foreigners:


 


“I have been in the US for 3 years, I still hardly have any American friends. Don’t get me wrong, I have many friends, but the vast majority are either other foreigners or Turks like me.”


 


“I´d wish to engage with an American woman if I would continue my life in America.” n


 


“I´d like to meet and date American girls and maybe marry one someday. Now that I will live in the US, it only makes sense. I heard lots of love stories of Americans marrying Turks, but it hardly ever happens around me and I have had no luck so far.”G


 


You are not exactly an innocent victim with people picking on you.  Your very first post was unnecessarily rude.  If you want to make friends with Americans, you need to change your mind about them first of all.  People, and not just Americans, can feel when they are being judged and have a tendency to ignore/avoid you

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35.       MrsBee
190 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 05:29 pm

 

Quoting newquaker

 

 

 

 

... I am still not sure why people keep taking this a personal issue. It´s not about me, but the whole general population and their relation with the foreigners (not necessarily Turks) ...

... American ... is an extremely COLD culture ....

 

Correct me if I am wrong but every single human being on Earth is a part of the general population.

If you are not sure about your comments being offensive just stop for a minute... change the subject of your sentence to a person/nation you like... and read it again... then you´ll get it for sure.

Don´t try to be overly political or talk general. It won´t lead you anywhere. It doesn´t work.

If you really want help to understand certain things or certain people, we should talk about certain situations.

Want answers? Ask questions!

One more thing: Giving hurtful or offensive title to a thread is not right. The reason doesn´t even matter.

If I were you I would change it. I am sure you can come up with something tasteful which still attracts the desired attention. Thanks. 

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36.       Burak7777777
96 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 07:35 pm

 

Quoting newquaker

 

 

Yes yes all Americans are foreigners! By that logic, Turks are foreigners in Anatolia too (it used to belong to Byzatine. And yes the Dutch are foreigners in Netherlands too since they are simply a Germanic People who had migrated from the East! None of these change the general attitude of Americans towards foreigners, especially atttitudes of women towards foreign Men.

 

yeah but turks settled into anatolida 1100 years ago. and most of the anatolians living there were descendants from the first asian migration. and germanic tribes settled into netherlands 2800 years ago. but united states was founded uhm.. 200 years ago? by settlers, travelers, adventurers and outcasts from all over the world. their first and biggest founding stones has been built by different cultures (italians, norwegians, jews etc).

 

and plus if you want my opinion on the subject, i have discovered that its pretty easy to seduce an american lady with an exotic foreigner. just my thought.

 

37.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 07 Apr 2011 Thu 08:05 pm

 

Quoting Burak7777777

 

 

and plus if you want my opinion on the subject, i have discovered that its pretty easy to seduce an american lady with an exotic foreigner. just my thought.

 

 

Ridiculous! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}{#emotions_dlg.shy}  Actually, I fell in love with my husband 20 years before I married him but circumstances brought us down very different roads for a while.  With that said, many women are very attracted to exotic foreigners and still some find a foreigner unattractive.  I´m with the first group!



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38.       alameda
3499 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 12:55 am

I have to agree with Elisabeth here. Read what you wrote. It´s abusive and insulting and you wonder why American women are cold to you? You want to marry someone because you have decided to stay in the US? How romantic of you.

Actually, most Americans are very charmed and intrigued by foreigners. If you have a problem, it´s not the American women (of which there is an almost infinite variety) it´s you.

Why would you want to stay here anyway, if you find the women so unpleasant?{#emotions_dlg.get_you}

Quoting Elisabeth

Let´s get a few things straight, newquaker because you are hardly an innocent victim in this thread.

Just so you understand - these are the first comments in this thread that are rude and they are all made you YOU:

 American Girls are the Worst

 “Americans, on the other hand, have always been an impossibility for me. First of all, they are ignorant and/or prejudiced against Turks and also unwilling to bother to even think about anything serious with me. This is actually a general pattern of behavior here against foreigners. The so called hospitality is completely fake and does not exist on personal level, and once they are done with their jobs, they pay zero attention to you.”

  

This is why I thought you are talking about yourself and not foreigners or general attitudes towards foreigners:

 “I have been in the US for 3 years, I still hardly have any American friends. Don’t get me wrong, I have many friends, but the vast majority are either other foreigners or Turks like me.”

“I´d wish to engage with an American woman if I would continue my life in America.” n

“I´d like to meet and date American girls and maybe marry one someday. Now that I will live in the US, it only makes sense. I heard lots of love stories of Americans marrying Turks, but it hardly ever happens around me and I have had no luck so far.”G

 

You are not exactly an innocent victim with people picking on you.  Your very first post was unnecessarily rude.  If you want to make friends with Americans, you need to change your mind about them first of all.  People, and not just Americans, can feel when they are being judged and have a tendency to ignore/avoid you

 

 



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39.       newquaker
28 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 01:08 am

@Elisabeth

 

I am not trying to play the innocent here, and in no way, I implied that I never used words that may sound offensive, but my point was, my words are NEVER PERSONAL. So when I say something like "American Girls are the worst´, it does not necessarily include All women, but rather an average American woman, and if you are not like that, just don´t take it personal and leave it at that.

 

My words...

“I´d like to meet and date American girls and maybe marry one someday. Now that I will live in the US, it only makes sense. I heard lots of love stories of Americans marrying Turks, but it hardly ever happens around me and I have had no luck so far.”G

 

Do you see the sentence in bold? which says it hardly ever happens around me, implying that it is a general attitude towards foreigners And the fact that I have had no luck so far, is a product of this general indifference and discrimination. In this case, what do you expect from me, to be pleased with the discrimination we´re exposed to, or spontaneously express my feelings?

 

@MrsBee

Let me rephrase my sentence about the "general population" to state the obvious:

"the general local population in America"...... ok, let me be more explicit:

"the general local American population, at least, in New England Area, and possibly the US"... It should be crystal clear now.

I am absolutely the last person who will try to be political on this planet. I am excessively spontaneous, and in my opinion, trying too hard to please people by restructuring your sentences, or conceal the real tone of your thoughts is nothing but being political. I am not saying we should be blatantly crass, but at the end of the day, people will see, hear and speak what they will like to. I had a friend who was a master at political human relations. Everyone seemed to like him, but he was the most selfish person I´d met, who´d never even talk to you without a present or future interest.

 

And I am not trying to be general at all. I am literally giving personal examples of my friends, but the question here is about the general attitude. I do not have a current American Girlfriend, for example, that I am having problems with, so that I can ask questions about that very specific person/case.

 

@Burak7777777

We´re not really studying history here, are we? Turks came to Anatolia a millenium ago, so what? Americans came to America 5-6 centuries ago! So does that make them foreign? Most of the Americans around are here at least for 3-4 generations, and that´s enough to be rooted in there and be considered as local. On the other hand, who says Turks are not foreigners? My family is barely in their 3rd generation in Turkey! I have lots of relatives and neighbors in their 1-2nd generations. Remember the immigrations from Yugoslavia and Bulgaria???

 

@alameda

 

My original post might be "harsh" and to some of you, it might sound insulting, it is just the mere truth that the foreigners are facing here. I don´t think the least bit that it actually is insulting since we are the ones who are discriminated against, isolated and it´s the American society to blame. Again not everybody is like this of course, so if you´re not like that, just ignore it and stop blaming me in person, rather come here, observe the life of foreigners and how isolated they are, but of course, you guys need to shed your egocentric perspectives because everything said here, you guys take it personally!

 

I dont wonder why Americans dont wanna marry me, this wasn´t even mentioned. I wonder why Americans are so incredibly indifferent and discriminatory to virtually all foreigners including me. Besides, It´s not like I am talking to them with such content. Those words (American Girls are the worst" are not even my words, but my friend Omer´s!

 

Also, how on earth did you conclude that I want to "marry someone because I have decided to stay in the US"!!! Totally wrong! If anything, I´d like to marry a local person, no matter where I´d live, and it´s not like I decided to live here, I just have to. And because I have to live here, and because I want to marry, sooner or later, I just rather marry a local/American person to adapt to the culture better. You guys should learn to read the posts before posting something back!

 

"Why would you want to stay here anyway, if you find the women so unpleasant?"

 

I don´t find the women unpleasent! On the contrary I find them distinguishedly beautiful . I´m merely stating the fact that Americans, and especially American women are totally indifferent and discriminating towards foreigners,  which is rude and tactless to us. They might have nice personalities etc but they just are very cold against us!

 



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40.       Burak7777777
96 posts
 08 Apr 2011 Fri 03:21 am

theres big difference between 1100 years and 200 years. im sure you can simply see that by logic or i have to give another lesson not about history but genetics and antropology.

well you also love generalising. "most" americans are there for 3-4 generations? what you made a statistic research? you know %70 of american population? and wait, you also say most turks are there for only 1-3 generations? i actually found out most turks have been here for 700 years. most of their surname you can even trace back to middle asia. and comeon, people who re-migrated back from yugoslavya and bulgaria - from where do you think they settled into those countries in the first place?? and plus the anatolian families/tribes can trace back their line to 5000 years. they never moved.

 

shortly.. americans are yes they are themselves foreigners. thats why its called the new world and this is called the old world. if they were not foreigner, then they are foreigner now with 160456098456 pakistanis 563657357 chinese and 5464564564 indians in their country. youll just be another addition.



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