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the - man [-men] suffix in Turkish
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20.       Mavili
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 29 Sep 2011 Thu 02:25 pm

Loving this break down of common suffixesSmile I also am glad you think of helpful topics like this. I will be refering back to it alot I am sure. Could I request something as well? If you think its relavent, will you also explain the suffixes -erak/-arak which have to do with "gerunds of state" or something. Pretty please?{#emotions_dlg.angel}

21.       tunci
7149 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 02:31 pm

 

The suffix -gan [-gen,-kan,-ken ]

This suffix make some verbs adjectives.

FORMULA ;

VERB STEM +  -gan [-gen,-kan,-ken ]

 

saldırmak = to attack -----> saldırgan [agressive, offensive]

sürünmek = to creep, to crawl ----> sürüngen [ reptant,creepy ]

iletmek = to pass ----> iletken [ conductive ]

yapışmak = to stick, to adhere ----> yapışkan [sticky,adhesive ]

 

 

 

 

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22.       Hindistan
246 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 02:33 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

The suffix -k [-ak,-ek]

This suffix turn many verbs into noun and adjective  forms.

FORMULA ;

VERB STEM + -k [-ak,-ek]

 

Korkmak = to fear -----> Korkak ----> coward

Dilemek = to wish -----> Dilek -------> wish

Kapamak = to close ----> Kapak -----> lid, cover

Yatmak = to sleep ------> Yatak -----> bed

 

 

 

 

 

Is it applicable to all verbs???

23.       si++
3785 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 02:34 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 Yep ! Yep ! Yep !

we are saying the same things...of course  -[e]k and [i]k, [ı]k, [u]k, [ü]k are listed seperately however -k [-[a]k,-[e]k] are same in that respect [its all to do with verb stem ending with vowel or consonant ] OK then tell me your source. I have no such description in my book.I have a feeling that you tell it without checking anywhere.

 

 

Nope! Nope! Nope!


The -(i)k suffix in dile-k is not -ek suffix but the same suffix as in:

kes-ik

del-ik

yörü-k

büyü-k

tanı-k

san-ık

iste-k

dene-k

 

 

24.       tunci
7149 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 02:37 pm

 

Quoting Hindistan

 

 

Is it applicable to all verbs???

 

 No, It is not applicable to all verbs.{#emotions_dlg.sad} [unfortunately]

 

25.       tunci
7149 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 02:47 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Nope! Nope! Nope!


The -(i)k suffix in dile-k is not -ek suffix but the same suffix as in:

kes-ik

del-ik

yörü-k

büyü-k

tanı-k

san-ık

iste-k

dene-k

 

 

 

 I am not relying on one grammer book as you do. Seems like you are mixing apples with pears. Its quite simple , I am suprised that you are having trouble understanding it.

 

Dilemek = to wish

Dile [verb stem]

Dile + k [wish]----> only -k comes because the stem verb ends with VOWEL !

thats so simple..

note that I am not adding -ke , i am adding only -k !

 

 

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26.       Hindistan
246 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 02:57 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 No, It is not applicable to all verbs.{#emotions_dlg.sad} [unfortunately]

 

 

So, how would we decide a particular verb if we want to use this formula??? 

27.       tunci
7149 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 02:58 pm

 

Now I know why are you so stubborn on your claim Si++, its because I mishighlighted the suffixes ; the right way should be as follows ;

 

Korkmak = to fear -----> Kork-ak ----> coward

Dilemek = to wish -----> Dile-k -------> wish

Kapamak = to close ----> Kapa-k -----> lid, cover

Yatmak = to sleep ------> Yat-ak -----> bed

this will end the debate i guess..you cant be still oppose ?

 

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28.       tunci
7149 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 03:01 pm

 

Quoting Hindistan

 

 

So, how would we decide a particular verb if we want to use this formula??? 

 

 You will just know the particular ones Hindistan..sorry..there is no rule to decide which ones will take this suffix..{#emotions_dlg.sad}

29.       tunci
7149 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 05:54 pm

 

Quoting Mavili

Loving this break down of common suffixesSmile I also am glad you think of helpful topics like this. I will be refering back to it alot I am sure. Could I request something as well? If you think its relavent, will you also explain the suffixes -erak/-arak which have to do with "gerunds of state" or something. Pretty please?{#emotions_dlg.angel}

 

 GERUNDS OF STATE [ DURUM ULAÇLARI] --> - [y] arak , - [y] erek

it gives the meaning like "by doing ", with doing "

FORMULA IS ;

VERB STEM + [y--> if needed] + ARAK or EREK [takes one of these according to the last vowel of the word stem ]

GÜL        +   EREK ---> Gülerek [ by smiling ]

  

Ağlayarak eve gitti ----->He/she went home [by] crying ---> As you see, this suffix explains the state  of act , how did he /she go home ? By crying

Gülerek cevap verdi bana ---->

by smiling + answer + gave + to me -----> He/she has given me answer by smiling

 

Müzik dinleyerek ders çalışırım.----> I study by listening to music.

 

Bahçede konuşarak yürüyorlardı ---> They were walking by talking in the garden.

Zevk alarak Türkçe öğreniyoruz ----> We are learning Turkish by enjoying [it]

Kitap okuyarak dinleniyor -----> He is relaxing by reading book.

 

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30.       Abla
3648 posts
 29 Sep 2011 Thu 08:17 pm

Quote:Hindistan

So, how would we decide a particular verb if we want to use this formula???

We can´t. That´s the difference between conjugating existing stems and deriving new ones from them. You can add for instance the dative ending to any noun but rules about deriving are only guidelines. The use of this knowledge is that when we see a long exhausting word we can try to split it into pieces and then guess what it might mean.

 

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