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Marriage between two faiths
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 02:37 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting Loveprague: I hope my next big subject will be our marriage announcement
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I have a strong feeling that any worries will be unfounded with you two  .
Wish you both happiness always 
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Thanks dear I P.M. you hope you are well I missed you
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 05:15 pm |
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Quoting alameda: The idea of marriage centered on only a couple in 'love' is not really the best foundation on which to build a marriage. |
Quite the opposite, marriages that are based on mutual love are the only ones that should be allowed. Those are the ones where people listen to and respect each other.
Quoting alameda: Traditional marriages have been ones where one expects to become in love after marriage, not before. |
Could the wrong assumption be the reason for why such marriages are so wrong? You cannot force yourself to fall in love with a particular person (especially one that fits your parents' ideas, not your own). I understand that you feel sentimental to 'traditions', though I don't understand why? Women were/are terribly abused under these 'traditional' rules, and ALL societies that uphold these 'traditions' are underdeveloped and have serious human rights violation issues. I don't think it needs much more explanation!
Quoting alameda: Romantic love is very often an illusion. The hum drum reality of a marriage can easily burst the romantic bubble.
The idea of marriage for romantic love is not exactly encouraged. Compatibility, similar life goals and familial harmony are of paramount importance. |
Wow! I can't believe at the crap you reiterate! Did you by chance come to these conclusions ON YOUR OWN???? Or maybe without the 'loving support' of your family, you might not end up being so pure and perfect?  Maybe it's an illusion to YOU, since you're so brainwashed with the dry, mechanical strategies for a relationship.
Quoting alameda: In reality the families in effect are united by the marriage. Thus, if there is already an issue with both families, the prospect for a successful marriage is grim. |
That sadly can be the case, mainly because the couple in question are still little mommy's babies.
Quoting alameda: In Western cultures, marriages are not particularly successful. Add to that mixture the children of failed marriages and the whole thing looks even bleaker. |
Actually, Western marriages are much happier then Eastern marriages. And the, so called 'failed marriages' are really people who don't think they need to put up with crap from one another, which is much more of a success and sign of respect for themselves then a failure. Sure, it may be disappointing and sad, but that's the best option there is. Marriage doesn't have to be a trap for life, it's possible to make mistakes and learn from them! The amount of abuse and disrespect in the wonderful traditional marriages are seen as a deviation rather then norm in a Western style union. Sadly, putting up with a spouse you hate is seen as a virtue in the East, which only creates a culture of victimhood and irresponsibility. A VERY BLEAK picture!
Actually children are not as terribly affected by their parents' divorce as you think they are. Most of the time, they are much better off to be out of a sick home.
Quoting alameda: In my opinion, and from my life's view of many marriages, I'd say get the blessings of your family. |
I'd say - provided that your family deserves to be asked for it.
Quoting alameda: Even in the best of circumstances being in a committed relationship is difficult. |
Well, yeah. Especially if you're thousand light years away from being a grown-up.
Quoting alameda: One can not underestimate the importance of their family. After all, you are the products of those families. |
Seems like you cannot possibly cut yourself off from your mom's umbilicus. We are products of many things, but ultimately we alone are responsible for who we become.
Quoting alameda: Although now you may think religion is unimportant, as things progress, it will become clearer just how 'Christian' or 'Muslim' the participants are. |
There is no doubt that people may be willing to 'sacrifice' less then they initially think they are. It's important to explore these issues ahead of time and negotiate a happy relationship. No need for parents' intervention though  .
Quoting alameda: Perhaps an exploration of what your real spiritual beliefs and heart felt feelings are would be in order. |
Oh... I agree!
Quoting alameda: Two people on different paths do not make for a good life journey. |
Yeah, if they have completely different goals for their lives and different values are important to them, then yes - they won't make for a good journey in the long run. However, sometimes the short run may be just good enough.
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 05:20 pm |
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Quoting karekin04: Control is all these parents want and thats what make them selfish! Even if they are right they should allow their children to make their own choices and/or mistakes! |
Absolutely right!
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 05:31 pm |
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Marriage did not require blessings from religious dignities, at good olden times: There was no religion yet, and people sincerely chose their partners and called themselves married. I have no objection to that.
I have no objection to people of different religions chosing to marry each other - if that is what they desire, so long as there is no fuss made about it.
But people pretending that they are religiosly oriented, yet trying to find ways around the rules set out by the very books they claim to be holy is something I can not understand. Who is fooling who here?
Is there some hypocracy in all this?
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 05:31 pm |
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Quoting mltm: I understand what alameda wants to tell and I agree with him/her. Though I'll make more contribution to the thread tomorrow |
No need to tell us your schedule, you know? 
Quoting mltm: The others who oppose to what he says must have read too many princess/prince charming love stories. |
Yet, you are the one defending Turkish 'prince charmings' . Make up your mind, please.
Quoting mltm: He hasn't said that we should make marriage without love, he said we shouldn't make marriage just because we are in love. There is a big difference. |
No, that is not what he/she said. Your contribution is coming prematurely.
Quoting mltm: I have heard too many love marriages, where the charm disappears after some months, and then they are left with nothing. |
Maybe they are left with nothing in a society like yours, where women are so dependent on their 'men' that when they lose one, they have 'nothing' . All the other women have (hopefully) some months of happiness, an important lesson on whatever went wrong and everything they earned in their lives by themselves thus far.
Quoting mltm: The compatibility of families is one of the important things that supports a marriage because it's the major thing that makes our background. |
Since mltm has brown eyes, she must be Indian . What other simplicities do you find important in marriage, dear?
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 05:51 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Please dont try to sound smart...You are way out of your depth.. |
Oooo! Mr. Super Cool! We knew you as a gentleman! So, you use "please"s at the forums and swears in your pms, huh? Can't you have written your swears at the forums? You are not the first person who sweared at me in their pms, Mr. Show Man. Anyway, both your original pm in Turkish and the translation of it are below. But you disappointed us, Mr. Super Cool! How will we now explain why you forgot to put a super cool smiley in the end of your super cool post and you didn't sound cool this time? Is that the sign you started to become senile or the sign you feel now some pain in your ass?
Quoting AlphaF: Do you know what "pervert" means, you jackass? Pervert is your father. Bastard. |
Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF 06 Jul 2007 Fri 07:31 am
Sen 'pervert'ne demek biliyormusun, essekoglu essek? Pervert senin baban...hayvan herif |
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 07:05 pm |
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These posts seem to have gone Slightly off topic!...
I do believe the original purpose of this thread was to bring about replies of relevance to this-
'I want to ask some members here how each family of different faiths feels about the marriage of two different religions and cultures.'
...I can't understand why some people feel the need to create an 'online battle' of things which are off topic and why some people seem to get so worked up over other peoples' contributions...!
Loveprague, I wish you every success with Nesrin...I think the joining and understanding of two different cultures is beautiful and I wish u both much happiness for your future together!
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 07:40 pm |
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Quoting shel_b_ann: ...I can't understand why some people feel the need to create an 'online battle' of things which are off topic and why some people seem to get so worked up over other peoples' contributions...!
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Well...it IS a discussion forum  Believe it or not this site is MORE than just a place to post translations and love poems!
Maybe you just haven't read anything yet to get you "worked up"? I am sure I could find ONE topic at least to get you angry Ummmmmm how about...
"I can understand why the government make it hard to get a visa for your boyfriend"
Now THAT'S what I call going off topic
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 07:40 pm |
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i wish all the best to you loveprague and nesrin!
im sorry if i was the source of being upset to both of you.
there is one thing i would like to add: 1. if the religion was your sensitive part of life you wouldnt involve yourselves into a different religion. 2. you both are mature adults, so parents or other family members must not be a problem (i mean as obstacles).
just go for it! make it come true! dont worry of anything!
the rest isnt important!
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 07:56 pm |
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Quoting CirqueDuSoleil: Quoting AlphaF: Please dont try to sound smart...You are way out of your depth.. |
Oooo! Mr. Super Cool! We knew you as a gentleman! So, you use "please"s at the forums and swears in your pms, huh? Can't you have written your swears at the forums? You are not the first person who sweared at me in their pms, Mr. Show Man. Anyway, both your original pm in Turkish and the translation of it are below. But you disappointed us, Mr. Super Cool! How will we now explain why you forgot to put a super cool smiley in the end of your super cool post and you didn't sound cool this time? Is that the sign you started to become senile or the sign you feel now some pain in your ass?
I can, if I have to.....I only wanted to save your face, only a gentleman can understand this.
Quoting AlphaF: Do you know what "pervert" means, you jackass? Pervert is your father. Bastard. |
Quoting AlphaF: AlphaF 06 Jul 2007 Fri 07:31 am
Sen 'pervert'ne demek biliyormusun, essekoglu essek? Pervert senin baban...hayvan herif |
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06 Jul 2007 Fri 07:59 pm |
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btw loveprague,
i hope you understand that you expect different replies when you start a thread?
better not to start/post anything if you expect only positive answers.
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