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16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:43 am |
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Quote: Quoting vineyards:
if the usa hadn't done what they did .. then I'm sure we wouldn't be worried about speaking english, or translating turkish txt msgs .. we would all be speaking german or japanese .. but then maybe you think that is a better solution than what we have today ..
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I guess your own message is to be found in your final paragraph I quoted above. Leelu, yours is a xenophobic point of view. No one could guess what would have happened had all those incidents never ever taken place.
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actually I do not have a fear of the strange or foreigners. If that were so, I doubt I would be "wanting" to learn the languages of countries that I visit as a sign of respect. I am actually one of the "least xenophobic" people I know. I love different cultures, countries, languages, religions and people. Maybe you are making reference to being xenophobic because you indeed harbour those feelings. I have always heard that the best way to turn attention from yourself is by throwing the smoke screen up to make it appear someone else is projecting what you want hidden in the first place.
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:47 am |
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Quoting vineyards: Has the US government officially apoligized to Japan for killing more than two hundred thousand people in Hiroshima and Nagazaki?
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All roads lead to Rome, and all threads lead to USA 
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:50 am |
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Quoting elham: Quoting vineyards: Has the US government officially apoligized to Japan for killing more than two hundred thousand people in Hiroshima and Nagazaki?
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All roads lead to Rome, and all threads lead to USA |
thats a tradition in TC
some people have a habbit blaming USA for all the evil in the world!
do still all the roads lead to rome?
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:51 am |
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Quoting elham: Quoting vineyards: Has the US government officially apoligized to Japan for killing more than two hundred thousand people in Hiroshima and Nagazaki?
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All roads lead to Rome, and all threads lead to USA |
you should have said : all the roads lead to istanbul
you made an unforgible mistake
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:58 am |
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The focus is not on xenophobia. So I can't be the only one guilty of trying to change the focus. Let's assume for a while that you are actually not afraid of this Japanese, German infestation of the world that would threaten the prevailing cultural hegomonia. Even then we would have to come up with another explanation as to how come you can so clearly predict what would have happened had those wars not been fought. All our reasons would still lie in the subconscious which can only be penetrated with assumptions of the kind that I made in my previous message.
Giving up on all those exotic possibilities, I would still like to insist on the presence of this wide-scale xenophobia and I believe that it has been installed in our minds without either our knowledge or consent.
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 01:08 am |
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Quoting vineyards: The focus is not on xenophobia. Let's assume for a while that you are actually not afraid of this Japanese, German infestation of the world that would threaten the prevailing cultural hegomonia in the world today. Even then we would have to come up with another explanation as to how come you can so clearly predict what would have happened had those wars not been fought. All our reasons would still lie in the subconscious which can only be penetrated with assumptions of the kind that I made in my previous message.
Giving up on all those exotic possibilities, I would still like to insist on the presence of this wide-scale xenophobia and I believe that it has been installed in our minds without either our knowledge or consent. |
and where exactly do you propose these "subconscious" thoughts permiate? are we getting messages from our tv's or maybe little green men are doing mind melds on us while we sleep .. it has nothing to do with widespread xenophobia as you would like to presume .. although I am still interested in why you keep throwing up the smoke screen .. are you sure there is nothing you want to share with your TC friends? .. hmmmmm ? ..
Oh yea and btw .. I never assume anything because then you make an ass out of u and me ..
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 01:10 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting elham: Quoting vineyards: Has the US government officially apoligized to Japan for killing more than two hundred thousand people in Hiroshima and Nagazaki?
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All roads lead to Rome, and all threads lead to USA |
thats a tradition in TC
some people have a habbit blaming USA for all the evil in the world!
do still all the roads lead to rome? |
I believe everyone at this forum has learned about your thesis. You will probably spend a year or two making the exact same point. I hope by the time us the forum folks can correct ourselves in that regard, you will realize that you should part with your own monochrome perspective of the Turkish culture.
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 01:10 am |
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Quoting Leelu: Quoting vineyards: The focus is not on xenophobia. Let's assume for a while that you are actually not afraid of this Japanese, German infestation of the world that would threaten the prevailing cultural hegomonia in the world today. Even then we would have to come up with another explanation as to how come you can so clearly predict what would have happened had those wars not been fought. All our reasons would still lie in the subconscious which can only be penetrated with assumptions of the kind that I made in my previous message.
Giving up on all those exotic possibilities, I would still like to insist on the presence of this wide-scale xenophobia and I believe that it has been installed in our minds without either our knowledge or consent. |
and where exactly do you propose these "subconscious" thoughts permiate? are we getting messages from our tv's or maybe little green men are doing mind melds on us while we sleep .. it has nothing to do with widespread xenophobia as you would like to presume .. although I am still interested in why you keep throwing up the smoke screen .. are you sure there is nothing you want to share with your TC friends? .. hmmmmm ? ..
Oh yea and btw .. I never assume anything because then you make an ass out of u and me .. |
Now who is changing the focus?
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 01:23 am |
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Quoting vineyards: Quoting Leelu: Quoting vineyards: The focus is not on xenophobia. Let's assume for a while that you are actually not afraid of this Japanese, German infestation of the world that would threaten the prevailing cultural hegomonia in the world today. Even then we would have to come up with another explanation as to how come you can so clearly predict what would have happened had those wars not been fought. All our reasons would still lie in the subconscious which can only be penetrated with assumptions of the kind that I made in my previous message.
Giving up on all those exotic possibilities, I would still like to insist on the presence of this wide-scale xenophobia and I believe that it has been installed in our minds without either our knowledge or consent. |
and where exactly do you propose these "subconscious" thoughts permiate? are we getting messages from our tv's or maybe little green men are doing mind melds on us while we sleep .. it has nothing to do with widespread xenophobia as you would like to presume .. although I am still interested in why you keep throwing up the smoke screen .. are you sure there is nothing you want to share with your TC friends? .. hmmmmm ? ..
Oh yea and btw .. I never assume anything because then you make an ass out of u and me .. |
Now who is changing the focus? |
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 05:38 am |
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Quoting vineyards: Yilgun, if you did not include that final statement in your article, some of your readers would get curious about the sources that you referred to. Claiming that the enemy of the Turks are the enemy of the entire world is not only wrong but also utterly ridiculous. |
You haven't said something that made this much sense in a long time, so big applause! 
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16 Oct 2007 Tue 07:24 am |
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Quoting KeithL: Also interestingrnough, this position would actually implicate the armenians. By your explanation, "they brought this on themselves" by allying with Russia and attacking the Ottomans... |
I think there is a difference.
Muslim and Armenians were killing each other, Ottomans decided to relocate the Armenians to save their lives (A good intention).
American took their decision of dropping atomic bombs targeting to kill as many civilians as possible (A bad intention).
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