You would make a perfect protestant, AlphaF.

I agree with you but only partly. For reasons that are too hard for us humans to understand, Allah may show mercy on a beggar.

What a beautiful place for those wandering in deep thoughts.

Introduce your universities, please, this is an interesting subject.

Your question made me think, KristelVK, and maybe gave a reason for another question.

The genetive subject rule is actually simple. Take the main clause as your point of view. If the embedded sentence (equivalent to a subclause) is functioning as an adverbial in the main clause its subject takes nominative. If it has another function like object or subject or attribule your choice is genitive. Look at this thread, especially post 8 by si++.

                  http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_51034

It works well as long as participles are concerned but now I am not so sure about infinitives. It seems to depend on the type of the sentence. Look at these two examples where the embedded part functions as an adverbial in the main clause:

Hz. İsa´nın (a.s) henüz hayatta olmasına rağmen niçin Kur´an´da onun hakkında “hayatına son vereceğim (müteveffike)” tabiri kullanılmıştır?  - GEN (< Hz. İsa henüz hayatta…)

Kadının hızla koşmasına rağmen eşi yaklaşık bir metre mesafe ile onu kovalamaya devam ediyor.  -  GEN (< Kadın hızla koşuyor…)

But then again, if the inlayed subject is one of an existential clause our rule seems to hold: 

Parasi olmamasina rağmen, pahalı bir araba satın aldı.  -  NOM (< Onun parası yok…)

Now my guess is the existential subject parası is not subject-like enough to be treated like a real agentive subject like Hz. İsa or kadın above.

Someone will come to clear it and check your sentences I am sure.

Kolay gelsin hayırlı olsun, harp00n.

Turku üniversitesi

-  Özgür halkın özgür bilime verdiği hediye

İnsani bilimler fakültesi

Maybe I should provide you with the full lists.

Selim olsa, sabaha kadar uyumaz, düşünür dururdu. Ben olsam yatardım.

A little bit like Selim´e/bana gelince.

P.S. I changed the headline of this thread because it was fallacious in the first place.

From a learner´s point of view, there are two types of Turkish speaking natives. Group one makes you visit your dictionaries all the time. When you are trying to undestand what group two is saying you seldom need a dictionary. Those people force you to think, to utilize and combine everything you have learned over and over. I have a slight feeling the border between these two groups follows the front lines of this language battle.

Group one or group two, finally smoke comes from your ears.

Just kidding. People speak in millions of ways and have millions of reasons to speak the way they speak.

This is the istemek article of Nişanyan sözlük:

www.nisanyansozluk.com

I am sure you will find it very amusing, Umut.

I watch the TRT series Keloğlan masalları. "The bald boy" is a traditional Turkish folk-tale hero and his adventures bring about many issues of general human interest. Keloğlan is a poor boy who is obliged to work while other children spend their days playing. He does not loose his spirit, though. He hears what animals have to say and respects the forest. He does not hesitate to help someone in need no matter if it is just an ant. That is why he finds a helper also when in trouble.

Even though Keloğlan is a story about hard life it always has a positive tone. "Kindness pays" it teaches.