I disagree. And I must admit it is also sad and disappointing for me to read this. Many people come here, accept the rules and try to express themselves in a foreign language every day no matter how labored it might be from time to time.

When you belong to a small nation you can never expect people to come to you, you always have to go to them. Maybe it is better.

But by all means go ahead, don´t let me interrupt.

Hmmm maybe they teach it in the folklore section.

The scenery changes constantly. Every scenery has a different kind of beauty. In the summer afternoons, vehicles begin to flow to Emirgan. People go to have tea, they sit until late hours and breathe fresh air.

*) The speciality of Turkish passive can be seen here. Impersonal. Look, they are intransitive verbs.

Sultan Selim  -  the Ottoman Sultan who was called "the Stern"  -  was returning from his Iran campaign.

How come they never taught it in our universities?

There is one here, male, 19, high school student, 185/80. (Ask for a photo.)

Just come and take him.

I am happy to see there is a Turk who sees it the same way. I have been asking myself if I am blind or something.

You are right, ikicihan, English is nothing else but a salad of foreign influences. The estimated amount of native English words is 20-30 per cent and the origin of loanwords is described with this graph in Wikipedia:

But foreign words do not jump into our eyes like aliens when we read an English text. I can imagine two reasons for it:

1. The language contacts have been longer and reached wider stratums of population. Instead of contacts we could speak about a geographical language continuum. And diachronical as well.

2. The contact languages belong to the same Indo-European family, originate from the same parent language and most importantly share the same syntactic properties. Borrowing is more natural, almost unaware.

Why don´t you conjugate them yourself, stumpy? They are so regular.

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Why Umut? We are learning new things, we are learning how to discuss. Do you think we should all be quiet instead?

Thank you, ikicihan, for your effort in bringing the topic to a concrete level.

I am not saying all foreign origin compound verbs should be omitted from the language. As you say it would even be an impossible task. Language planners may have ideas, they may recommend certain things but as we know sometimes the community listens to them but often not. What I am saying is I do not wonder that some people saw there was an urgent need to do something about it.

etmek is not an auxiliary. It is a full verb with a full paradigm and using it mechanically in a grammatical function to change an Arabic noun into a Turkish verb is artificial and simplistic. This is not the way really bilingual people speak. Shall I tell you who it sounds like? Like one who wants to decorate his language with prestigeous words but who really does not know how to adapt them to his own rules.

And don´t tell me speakers of rural dialects did not have a word for ´permitting´, ´trying´ or ´betraying´. Of course they did, they had just about the same abilities to express relations between things as we do. The things they named may have been different because they lived in a completely different environment but that is another thing.

My point is the group of compound verbs I presented did not appear in Turkish because there was a need for them. They were elitistic.

It happens. These words became established and even though not very esthetic in my ear they do their job in present day Turkish. But for the sake of humanity, at least say thanks to language reform and TDK for preventing this "N + etmek = V" rule from being productive until today.