It doesn´t matter whether you know what you are tlaking about or not. But the things you describe happen, maybe even on large scale, but it isnt the ONLY way. Anyway since you didn´t bother to read it, I won´t bother to explain any further.

Yes. Mentality. That is the problem here. I think I´ll have a good look at the link vineyards posted for the organisations in Turkey. I still didn´t figure out where my education is bringing me on the job-market.

 I read a horrible story of this kind in the newspaper a fews days ago. A Dutch woman had been sexually abused by her elder brother for several years, and her parents KNEW about it!!

 Actually what you say isnt totally true. The honorkillings are in every sense WRONG, but from an anthropologist perspective, what you say isn´t true: in many cases the girl isn´t seen as the one to blame, and the rapist is often seen as the culprit. However there are reason to choose for the girl to get killed and not the rapist. I am NOT saying I have understanding for what I wrote or agree with the type of conduct and behind-laying thoughts, but it is not true that a girl is always blamed for what happened. (I have written this a bit longer in one of my first posts in this thread, if you want to understand exactly what I tried to say here)

But it is a type of conduct I will never be able to have understanding for. What is it, that the ´sexual cleanness´ of a woman is so important for the ´honour of the man´? To be honest, in such a background, I am not surprised at the middle eastern myth that every woman bleeds when she first engages in sexual activity. They must have gotten used to unwilling or unready women.

 Yes. Unfortunately because of the political system in Germany I doubt if it will make much difference. ´Many people´ have speculated that his election (Özdemir is his name if I remember correctly) will make it easier for Turkey to enter the EU. However, he is in the stream of people who want Turkey to enter the EU, by having a strict control on the developments there as becoming more transparant, more democratic etc etc. People in Turkey who expect that by the election his person TR will gain more easily access to EU will be disappointed I am afraid!

But it is a really good thing he was elected. Hope he will be able to make the German Turks engage more in politics, so that the tendency of prejudge or even discrimination in Germany will go down. I also hope it has a positive influence on the Netherlands, where recently quite some inhabitants of the city of Rotterdam weren´t happy to see a Maroccan become their major!!

 No headache anymore or hangover for me, but have to add that I woke up an hour ago

 Same sort of thing happened to me, when helping a friend getting away from her (mainly mentally) abusive husband. He punched me in the face and I got a nose bleed. It wouldn´t have been that bad wasn´t it for the fact that blood makes me faint badly!

Öyledir tabii. Fakat yakýn bir dostun kanser hastasý olursa ve çaresi artýk kalmamýþ olursa, içmiþ olursa güzel bir kadýnýn yýllarýný, insanýn ne kabahatý var ki, zalim olsun. Bazen de vicdansýz bir dünyada yaþýyoruz. Vicdansýz tanrý/güç de diyebilirdim, ama ona zaten inanmadýðým için, inananlarý da incitmek istemedim.

(Yilgün replied to my message of ´unjust, cruel world´, saying we´d rather say that the people are unjust and cruel, because what fault has the world here?.

Ofcourse it is like that. However, when a close friend of yours becomes a cancerpatient and there is no longer a remedy, when the years of a beautiful woman have been drunken, then what fault has humankind got, to be called cruel. We do live in an unjust world sometimes. I could have said ´unjust, cruel god/power´ as well, but because I don´t believe in it anyhow, I thought I should not hurt the people who do.) 

Anyway this got a bit off topic

Goodnight thehandsom, vineyards and femmeous.

 Speaking of the system, a close friend of mine has been sexually abused for years as a young girl (considered an adult in Islam I may add). I´ve had long nights of talks with her, and after a year she got strong enough and we went to the police and then to court with it. Due to lack of evidence (apparantly diary fragments, ´witness´ statements of people close to her and the scars on her entire body because of selfmutilation after getting in a depression that has lasted for years, do not count), the man is still on free feet. And we had suspicion he is been doing it to other girls too, but they were too frightened to make it public and add to the story.

Vicdansýz, zalim dünya.

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