Oh nice one. I didnt know about that!

 Well, Im talking about modern Turkish society and I don´t know whether it is allowed or not, because that strongly depends on families in Turkey (I happen to know what ´my´ family thinks of it, hence I dont have any sözlü ), but I can say that Ive understood it as more acceptable once people became sözlü, but not sure whether it was more acceptable for their families, or for themselves!!

 I suppose he tried to write it phonetically for an english speaker.

 I dont know. I just know that there is no such thing as ´sözlü´ in Dutch culture, and I avoid using it in Turkish because from the old days it implies the involvement of the parents (sözlü as in the promise between two families for their son and daughetr to get married), and in the new days I personally think it is useless to get sözlü before niþanlý Because in both cases you say that you love each other with the intention to get married, so in my opinion ´becoming sözlü´ is sort of getting a licence to f*ck. Sorry

Is there any specific reason you choose for sözlüm instead of niþanlým? They have two different meanings in traditional setting, but nowadays, are they interchangable in usage?

 It unfortunately is!! It´s for ´discussion training class´ at university (Middle eastern studies, specified Turkish ) where native speakers of Turkish discuss over different articles that are choosen by the teacher. Im the only non-native of this group, and I was just told that natives also had difficulty understanding what this guy is trying to say! So how am I supposed to understand

Anyway thanks very much, that made much more sense than what I got out of it. I might be posting through the rest of the evening though. Its only a 3 page article, but I finished only the 1st so far

Niþanyan also have lovely residences in Þirince, I can recommend

And I think niþanyan has written the only (?) turkish etimoloji dictionary, or at least the most complete one, but you should keep in mind that he is not a linguist or anything, its just his hobby, but one he does very well.

Can someone please translate the following sentences for me?

They are from an article by Atalay Girgin, named ‘Eðitim iþsizliðe çare midir?’.

Çünkü aslolan, çocuðun ya da bireyin siyasal ve ideolojik olarak , egemen olanlara ve onlarýn çýkarlarýna her düzeyde hizmet edecek doðrultuda biçimlendirilmesidir.

(should I read this sentence as :çocuðun biçimlendirilmesidir?)

Ekonomik iþlevin ise, ihtiyaç duyulan iþgücünü saðlamaya dönük olduðu söylense de, söylenenin aksine, bu iþlevin genel sistematik eðitim sürecindeki asli rolü, egemen sýnýfýn ihtiyaçlarý doðrultusunda belirlenen mevcut ya da yeni ekonomik politikalarýn, toplumun tabii olan sýnýflarý nezdinde yaygýnlaþtýrýlýp meþrulaþtýrýlmasýdýr.

I cant make much of it, but I have a sözlü sýnav about this article on Tuesday, so help is very much welcome!

Can I have a vodka-cherry please? Our adminstock has run out of anything decent (it must be LIR) so Ive decided to take full drink-residence in here. Im not gonna sleep tonight due to some work I shouldve done much earlier (GC is to blame, AE was right about him) so dear hostess can you provide me with the amount of alcohol (vodka cherry with equal amounts of both, 3 icecubes) that makes me forget about all my responsibilities and then an espresso please. Without sugar.

It clearly became too late to post anything that makes sense, or say on msn for that matter. Id better sleep.