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Thread: Armenian Tashnak Party: 'Armenian territories' will come off Turkey sooner or later

1351.       vineyards
1954 posts
 27 Nov 2007 Tue 07:49 pm

"The light heartedness" about other people's sufferings is indeed a part of our culture and that's one of the most unfortunate aspects of it.

Nevertheless, you'd usually come accross with that sort of an attitude when talking to common people who don't the first thing about politics.

This light heartedness is called tactfullness in Europe. You are right, probably the only place it has never penetrated into is the US. They didn't need to hide anything when they accidentally invaded Iraq and killed thousands of Iraqis. They did not apoligize to the Japenese for having killed hundreds of thousands of civilians. Nor did they feel ashamed when they nuked the land of the poor Bikini islanders. For the rest of the sufferings on record you can refer to the highlights of each decade section in an encyclopedia. There is at least one such incident every ten or so years.



Thread: Armenian Tashnak Party: 'Armenian territories' will come off Turkey sooner or later

1352.       vineyards
1954 posts
 27 Nov 2007 Tue 02:53 pm

Didn't know that you smoke. I geniunely hope you will quit soon.



Thread: Armenian Tashnak Party: 'Armenian territories' will come off Turkey sooner or later

1353.       vineyards
1954 posts
 27 Nov 2007 Tue 10:20 am

Turks did not come to Anatolia in 1071. That's a common misconception. They had captured land and settled in Anatolia much much earlier than that. Archeological finds prove the presence of Turkish settlements as early as 6-7th century and speculate about Turkish presence in Anatolia thousands of years ago. 1071 only signifies the beginning of the complete Turkifying of the Anatolian peninsula following Seljuk victory against Byzantine empire at Mazgirt (Malazgirt).

We should point out to the fact that Anatolia had never been entirely occupied by anyone of the preceding civilizations.





Thread: Nazim Hikmet - Plea

1354.       vineyards
1954 posts
 26 Nov 2007 Mon 03:41 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Müjde:

I love this, too.
Even these lines symbolize communist ideology,I like them.
I think the important thing is picking up the beauties in each ideology,religion,culture and belief,and then creating your own ideology.



I agree. It was very common for poets and artists to have communist leanings during this period in time, probably because their free-thinking and imagination made them more open to new ideas.



That was a time of oppression and exploitation. A time of dictators. Lions attacked the mice and the poor were subjected to misery and sufferings of the gravest kind.

Communism was proposed as a way out from this quagmire. Its main shortcoming was the fact that communism defended coercion by labourers. In other words, it favoured one class and held the remaining ones as the enemies of the entire regime.

There was an additional group of people who sided up with labourers and they called themselves the illuminated. All their concern was to wake labourers to the reality of communism.

It is because of communism's humanistic, intellectual and equalitarian openings that the artists, writers and poets of the time largely supported that ideal.

On the whole, it was a good theory which was ill-administered by wrong people.



Thread: Nazim Hikmet - Plea

1355.       vineyards
1954 posts
 26 Nov 2007 Mon 12:49 pm

Erlik, when you call a world famous poet a "traitor" or as "that dog", you shouldn't be surprized when somebody calls you an idiot.

Did you ever take your time and answer my questions? "Importing communism exclusively for me" doesn't answer my questions. I'd asked you some very logical questions and as it is common with you the greywolves, you did not even take them into consideration. What kind of a reasoning method are you using; is it something called "National Logic" following the examples of National Geography, National History - concepts added into school syllabuses by your nationalist ministers a few decades ago.



Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

1356.       vineyards
1954 posts
 25 Nov 2007 Sun 01:36 am

Mylo, could you provide us with a concise but authoritative summary of the points that you want to make.
Each time I attempt to read your posts I lose track of what's going on.

For example in your opening post, are you actually apoligizing on behalf or justifying the attitude of your spouse?

Furthermore, among all those selections of opinions belonging to different individuals or institutions which ones are your personal thoughts?

Let's put it in a nut shell...



Thread: Engs - Turks Pls

1357.       vineyards
1954 posts
 24 Nov 2007 Sat 02:33 pm

I sometimes think whether this is a dating site under the disguise of Turkish language education...



Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

1358.       vineyards
1954 posts
 24 Nov 2007 Sat 01:35 am

You think you are quite a showman Erlik but I still can hear the clank, clank of the hollow in your brain somehow.



Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

1359.       vineyards
1954 posts
 24 Nov 2007 Sat 12:55 am

I've said what I wanted to say. Now go nag somebody else.


P.S. Who said I am a communist or a Stalinist. You can't do without tacking your stupid labels on people can you?
Should I ask you about Hitler, Franko or Mussolini on account that their idealogies were not so different from yours?

Did you also investigate how many people those ultra nationalists killed?



Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

1360.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Nov 2007 Fri 08:58 pm

Do you think, you know what soviet means? Let me tell you: you don't. It means: "an elected governmental council in a communist country" You are trying to understand the world in line with the narrow vision of your master wolves who made you believe you are serving your country this way.

What is the virtue of the "free market economy" model or half a dozen more we tried in the past. Did we develop them all by ourselves. Were they not American. what is the big problem here? Is it because we shouldn't have tried to import a regime from Russians? Do you mean we should always support the US because theirs is a good regime for us?

Nazim defended the communist ideology and served time in prison for his ideals. Anyone reading his poems or plays will understand what a patriot he was. He served time in prison because he was helping his nation wake up from a big sleep. He meant to free them from the colonists exploiting its resources and making the people backward.
In other words he was Don Quichot fighting against wind mills. Is it easy to fight against the wind mills? It is not. If it were we wouldn't have people like you in this century.

Did Nazim not make any mistakes? Maybe he did. The capacity for making mistakes stems from the courage to take risks. He was at the forefront of his society in his lifetime therefore he was the first to make both the mistakes and the right things. But of course, you cannot think without labeling things and people. Your way of thinking necessitates satans and enemies to bolster your unity.


Rather than be a subject of a master wolf and be full of hatred as you are, I prefer to be a fan of Nazim who was a master poet.



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