Erlik people like you think their asses will age like wine but you are wrong. You come here and accuse Nazim of high treason. You do this when you bloody well know that this idea is not shared by millions of Turks and foreigners alike. You are blaming others of provoking people but you are indeed provoking people by sharing with us your primitive ideas about Nazim and other poets.

Going back to your ass Erlik, don't think for a moment that it will age like wine, when you are completely forgotten no one will remember your cheap arguments but they will keep on commemorating Nazim Hikmet here, there and everywhere.

Mind your words about people who are respected by others next time.

Thehandsom, censorship should not be categorically rejected. For example, I must not be able to defend racism, I must not be allowed to praise Hitler, Mussolini and Franka when their malicious deeds are still in the memories of their peoples.

It is because of this soft, passivist tolerance to those aggressive ideologies that many naive youngsters are getting into the quagmire of ultra nationalism, racism and ethnic hatred. That's probably also why we keep producing hooligans who pass for football fans. Just as they must be barred entry to stadiums, the remarks of those extremists should also be censored, the place they congragate should be raided in and their mafia like organizations must be collapsed. Many of those are turned into urban bandits extorting money from people and intimidating laborers when they try to defend their rights.

Femme_fatal, for my own part I tend to leave you out when I think about Kazakhs.

Because I sometimes can't find a proper word to describe your approach to certain matters.

*Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
*It is rude to curse people.

As I said before, you shouldn't take people too seriously.
The number of Turks thinking the same way as Erlik is a miserable 5%. We know that there are as many voters for Le Pen in France and that anti-Turkish discourses do fetch some votes elsewhere in Europe.

I do meet people who are full of hatred of all things Turkish here and there on the Internet. I still like to think that doesn't prove anything.

Do not try to change Erlik. I know that people like him won't budge so easily. His is not just a point of view, his whole personality is shaped around a national identity which he regards more valuable than everyone else's. People having this notion also believe that a state holds more importance than its people.

I also think that everyone should be free to chose whatever political belief they think befits them as long as they don't intend to harm others. I certainly don't want to waste my time trying to get people to give up on their ultra nationalistic ideals and to find the true path. I just don't care a bit about that and I should suggest you the same for the sake of your own peace of mind.

Lime tea or linden is one of my favourites. I also like garden sage tea a lot.

I often see Ara Guler sitting at a table in his café named Ara Cafe in Beyoglu street.

Lyrics and composition by herself, Sezen Aksu depicts nd ending love going through an unsettled period. The two lovers don't feel happy neither together nor apart. She suggests their love and therefore their joint life will end when either of them find solace in someone else.

P.S. Your nick seems incomplete. Did you want to get a nick lie Yeri_doldurulamayan or Yeri_doldurulamaz? If you are looking for a word to give a similar meaning you'd consider "biricik" which means the only (beloved) one...

regards

Try to focus on the what is being discussed in the thread.
Someday, when I see that you are not picking on someone and replying to a thread just because you would like to positively contribute to it, I will really get surprized.

Here is my suggestion: don't take people too seriously.

For those who are interested, everything Ataturk did is very comprehensively documented. You are welcome to make your own evaluation after doing your own reading.

It is very understandable that people defending completely different causes regard Ataturk as their leader. Who wouldn't want to have such an accomplished leader after all. Similarly, all the major football clubs in Turkey fervently and somewhat ridiculously claim that he supported their team.

Ataturk was born in 1881 and died in 1938, therefore his political ideas must be considered with that time frame in mind. Many historians agree his thoughts were extremely innovative and constructive. In Turkey, where everyone else had lost all their hopes for resurrection, he created a new state, abolished sultanate whereas he was expected to become the next sultan himself.

At a time when he had ultimate authority, he willingly paved the path for his citizens to form new political parties and defend their own political causes. He gave suffrage to women, had his step daughter educated as a combat pilot. That was a symbolic move meant to prove that women could achieve any task. He wanted to destroy the stereotypes about women of the day. He also asked women not to wear veils anymore and encouraged them to take part in all spheres of daily life. Women enjoyed an unprecedented period of freedom and equality in his time and he did all those things in a time frame between 1923-1938.

Many of his revolutions were erroded by subsequent governments.

How badly can you think of a man who freed your country from the occupation of English, French, Italian, Greek, Australian, New Zealender, Indian troops. Who never lost a battle and who ruled the country like magic for 15 years.
We owe a great part of our national identity to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.