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Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

1411.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:34 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Gizli Yuz:

Quoting Lapinkulta:

Quoting Erlik Han:

PKK = Kurdish Terror Organisation , everyone knows it and we don't need any garrulity about that.



Im nationalist but catwoman and femme fatal made me nationalist



Same here. They made me a great defender of Turkish nation.

I don't know if you notice or not, but the reason why some Turkish people hate the Kurds is quite similar to the reason why some Germans or Dutch people hate Turks in Germany and Netherlands.


Nobody can MAKE you something, it's always your own decision to become something or not. So it's really funny how you brag that you're so insecure that your response to someone criticizing your country is extremism (nationalism)!
I think that Turkish people in Germany have equal rights, unlike Kurdish people in Turkey, so it's not exactly the same situation, although you must realize that if Kurds in Turkey are more violent and destructive to the society, the only effective way to change it is not through killing them, but through education and equal rights.




Catwoman is right. Let's not jump on the ethnic hatred band wagon. We already have enough problems. Very few countries are homogeneous. Kurds, Armenians and all the other minorities are the building blocks of this society. We should open our hearts to innocent Kurdish people who stay away from terrorism and do not support the PKK. The other way (nationalism) is not a proper alternative at all. We Turks are just like other people and we have our own shortcomings as well as virtues.

Let us fight racism together. We don't like to see it in other cultures. So, we mustn't let it become a part of our own.



Thread: Need help with translation

1412.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:20 am

Thought about that option and didn't like the repetitions and did not want to create a rhyme that did not exist in the original either. I am not seeking 100% accuracy. The translation can of course be improved but it will take time.



Thread: Need help with translation

1413.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Nov 2007 Sun 02:52 am

Tried to translate it:

We are set to leave this world
Greetings to those staying
May peace be unto those who
for our sake praying
Should death fall upon us
Binding forever our tongues
May peace be unto those
who care about us when we ail
When my naked body gets exposed
and is shrouded in the gown of death
May peace be unto those
Who hang me and wash the corpse
May prayers ring our names
As we depart from this world
May peace be unto those
Who stand together to pray for our sake
Yunus the dervish thusly utters
With his eyes all filled with tears
Those who don't know us will not any longer
May peace be unto those who knew us.



Thread: A Tour of Our Own

1414.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Nov 2007 Sat 07:56 pm

OK Welcome aboard. In a few days I will write something about the possible cost items. The place where we are going is very rich in history and nature. Just google Cappadocia and Ihlara Valley and see for yourself...



Thread: A Tour of Our Own

1415.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Nov 2007 Sat 04:08 pm

Because you probably think it is a poorly proposed idea and the whole thing sounds a bit utopic to you.

Well, it may be so for you but it certainly isn't for me. I was already thinking about going on a tour like this with a couple of friends.

So,it won't hurt much if it doesn't happen. It is just an invitation to those who find the idea interesting.



Thread: A Tour of Our Own

1416.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Nov 2007 Sat 01:16 am

Well, don't worry about hospitality. What I am trying to emphasize is that this tour will be open to those who trust themselves in nature. You should have what it takes to survive a 15-20 kilometer walk a day in nature. Everyone could chip in for the common expenses such as vehicle rents etc. You could bring in your boy/girl friend and/or other friends. I am thinking of going to Cappadocia anyway. I just thought it would be so much better if we could form a group of people from different countries. There should be many interesting things to learn from one another and Cappodocia seems to be an ideal setting for this.

It just takes wishing and the rest can all be taken care of. Just tell me what you need to know.

Trudy, yes it is pretty much basic stuff. We will fill in the gaps.



Thread: A Tour of Our Own

1417.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Nov 2007 Fri 06:40 pm

No one will provide anyone any service or products commercially. Everyone will take care of their own needs themselves. Sharing and helping will be our common desire. Everyone will be free to choose the kind of vehicle and the company from which to hire. I can act as a tour guide to show you around. Additionally, there are professional guides whom we can use at historical sites. That's all. I am doing this just for the hell of it. I like nature and these kinds of organizations in general. If this turns into a regular event, we will just have the honor of being one of those who initiated it.



Thread: Nationalism soars in Turkey

1418.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Nov 2007 Fri 10:49 am

There is a confusion about the meanings of patriotism, nationalism etc.

In Turkish vatansever means someone who works for his/her country and comes to its help in the hour of need without expecting any reqards. A vatansever could be left or right and he does not necessarily have to be conservative.

A milliyetçi or a nationalist on the other hand believes that his/her nation is superior to other nations and whatever interest it has must also be his/her ultimate targets in life.

There is a thick line seperating fundamentalists from nationalists and patriots and that line acts like a security valve. The problem with Bush is that he doesn't have such a valve at all.



Thread: A Tour of Our Own

1419.       vineyards
1954 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 11:11 pm

OK. Here are the proposed details:

Time: June 2008
Place: Cappadocia
Transportation: Hired jeeps.
Duration: 7 days.




Thread: A Tour of Our Own

1420.       vineyards
1954 posts
 01 Nov 2007 Thu 11:09 pm

Presently, that the tour is not a balloon itself is more important than a balloon tour which can be optionally arranged by the participants.



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