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Thread: new 'learn turkish' website

1431.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:44 pm

Can't even remember how come I got used to this site either. I certainly don't need to practice Turkish. Maybe it is this forum thing that keeps me here.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1432.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:36 pm

The excuse Catwoman is using to justify the Greek invasion of Turkey is very much like Hitler's invasion of Poland at the pretext of Danzig issue. According to Catwoman, Hitler must have had a stronger excuse not belonging to hundreds of years ago but to the near past.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1433.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 08:12 pm

Anatolia did not belong to Greeks either. They also captured it from Trojans. If everyone were to claim back where they once lived where would the Poles end up for example? Meanwhile, as a person who constantly criticize Turks for all sorts of things, I have never ever for God's sake heard you criticize your own country and culture for once.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1434.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 03:49 pm

femme and thehandsome. On Dardanelles front alone some 250.000 Turkish soldiers lost their lives. The Ottoman Empire was attacked on almost all its fronts and had to deal with a chain of revolts provoked primarily by the UK and Russia. The number of casualties was so large that the medical faculty in Istanbul could not graduate any students for a couple of years since all of its students had died on the fronts.

Ottoman Empire:
Total casualties :1.550.000

Breakdown:
Dardanelles: 253896
Caucasian front: 270.000
Gulf theater: 220.000
Arabia and Yemen: 280.000
The Canal front: 280.000
Iranian front:20.000
Galicia-Bulgaria: 60.000

After the war, the male population decreased significantly and many women could not find husbands. Folk songs that remained from those days tell us about people rushing to fronts never to come back again. In some cities, when no eligible people were available for recruiting to the army they began recruiting 13 year olds. All of this happened in a very short period of time and at a time when the economy was at the brink of bankruptcy due to excessive foreign debts.

Turkish people did not actually want to join the war. The reasons came out of the blue due to Enver Pasha's excessive fondness of the Germans. He wanted to act together with them hoping to restore the country's economy with German help.

On the whole it was a war of total destruction for Turks. It meant long years of deprivation, poverty and misery. The soldiers were inadequately outfitted. They were deployed to the Caucasian front in their summer uniforms and majority of them died freezing rather than by the enemy bullet.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1435.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 01:10 am

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting vineyards:

The focus is not on xenophobia. Let's assume for a while that you are actually not afraid of this Japanese, German infestation of the world that would threaten the prevailing cultural hegomonia in the world today. Even then we would have to come up with another explanation as to how come you can so clearly predict what would have happened had those wars not been fought. All our reasons would still lie in the subconscious which can only be penetrated with assumptions of the kind that I made in my previous message.

Giving up on all those exotic possibilities, I would still like to insist on the presence of this wide-scale xenophobia and I believe that it has been installed in our minds without either our knowledge or consent.


and where exactly do you propose these "subconscious" thoughts permiate? are we getting messages from our tv's or maybe little green men are doing mind melds on us while we sleep .. it has nothing to do with widespread xenophobia as you would like to presume .. although I am still interested in why you keep throwing up the smoke screen .. are you sure there is nothing you want to share with your TC friends? .. hmmmmm ? ..
Oh yea and btw .. I never assume anything because then you make an ass out of u and me ..



Now who is changing the focus?



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1436.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 01:10 am

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting elham:

Quoting vineyards:

Has the US government officially apoligized to Japan for killing more than two hundred thousand people in Hiroshima and Nagazaki?


All roads lead to Rome, and all threads lead to USA


thats a tradition in TC
some people have a habbit blaming USA for all the evil in the world!
do still all the roads lead to rome?



I believe everyone at this forum has learned about your thesis. You will probably spend a year or two making the exact same point. I hope by the time us the forum folks can correct ourselves in that regard, you will realize that you should part with your own monochrome perspective of the Turkish culture.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1437.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:58 am

The focus is not on xenophobia. So I can't be the only one guilty of trying to change the focus. Let's assume for a while that you are actually not afraid of this Japanese, German infestation of the world that would threaten the prevailing cultural hegomonia. Even then we would have to come up with another explanation as to how come you can so clearly predict what would have happened had those wars not been fought. All our reasons would still lie in the subconscious which can only be penetrated with assumptions of the kind that I made in my previous message.

Giving up on all those exotic possibilities, I would still like to insist on the presence of this wide-scale xenophobia and I believe that it has been installed in our minds without either our knowledge or consent.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1438.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:37 am

Quote:


if the usa hadn't done what they did .. then I'm sure we wouldn't be worried about speaking english, or translating turkish txt msgs .. we would all be speaking german or japanese .. but then maybe you think that is a better solution than what we have today ..



I guess your own message is to be found in your final paragraph I quoted above. Leelu, yours is a xenophobic point of view. No one could guess what would have happened had all those incidents never ever taken place.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1439.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Oct 2007 Tue 12:15 am

As you elaborately stated yourself the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was conducted by the Japanese air force against a US military base. The bombings of Nagazaki and Hiroshima on the other hand were targeting hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS who lived in those two cities and who struggled for the rest of their lives to survive the terrible consequences of the bombings. When you take into account those who died of cancer and other diseases caused by the bombings you will realize these two incidents actually claimed the lives of millions of CIVILIANS.

If you ask me those two incidents were the most terrible war crimes ever. First because they were committed by what was supposed to be a very civilized country supposedly fighting against the evil forces of the time. Secondly, although every detail of the bombing action is known, the US government have never apoligized to anyone.



Thread: Armenians-Turks

1440.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Oct 2007 Mon 11:27 pm

Has the US government officially apoligized to Japan for killing more than two hundred thousand people in Hiroshima and Nagazaki?

Have they apoligized to the residents of The Bikini Islands for testing an H-bomb on their island?



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