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Nationalists target British holiday homes in Turkey
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22 Jul 2007 Sun 07:13 pm |
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Quoting turquoise: dont worry karekin,they dont represent all the turkish people
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Thank God! 
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22 Jul 2007 Sun 08:55 pm |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz:
I asked you your thoughts on the existence of racism among the dutch people. And then you made a comment on the dutch people saying "I don't understand the fear of my country men".
I helped you to make comment on the dutch people.
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I'll tell you what's wrong
I wasnt asked in any kind of survey about racism, nor have I ever. Usually these polls are asked among people in problem areas, to state where the problem is.
When thinking of Holland in regard to its foreign inhabitants/racism, there is a clear division between the West of Holland, where many foreigners live, and the other parts of the country.
The area where I live, does have foreigners too, but not in such big amounts as a city like Rotterdam. To hear racism or anger against muslims in my region, is much smaller, than the sounds of unsatisfaction in the West of Holland.
I think in general Dutch people are pretty tolerant (or at least politically correct enough not to speak out loud), and I am the very LAST person to be a racist or judge anyone, but I can imagine you start complaining if your foreign neighbour doesnt even speak enough Dutch to greet you when picking up your post, when you hear that an Imam in your neighbourhood has wished for illnesses upon non-believers or when your neighbours just throw the left-overs of their pilav over their balcony (YES this happens.)
It is a delicate subject and everyone blames everyone. There is quite a lot of trouble about the integration of foreigners in our country. The division in the country is very obvious from the politics. People with strict thoughts on immigration and integration such as Pim Fortuyn and Rita Verdonk, were welcomed warmly under most people in the West. But people in the east parts, where mostly unpleased with Verdonks words.
I can't say that there are no racists in Holland, because there are in every place of the world. And my thought of Dutch people has always been that they are of the complaining kind and that the grass is not the greenest on their side.. But I can say that large communities of foreigners, did nothing to improve their image.
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22 Jul 2007 Sun 10:52 pm |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz: According to Motivaction researches, %10 of Dutch people openly support racism. What do you think of it? Does the percent seem normal?
Taken from the research:
"Half of the people questioned expressed an aversion to Muslims and expressed fear about this group's influence on Dutch society. Some 43 percent said Islam is not for peace and almost two thirds said the religion is incompatible with modern society in Europe." |
Racism in the West is not only very small, but also punished. All the accusations of West being racist are ridiculous at best, in reality they are the main argument of the political agenda of radicals to make the West agree to anything they want (like allowing PKK-like organizations to exist). It is common knowledge to immigrants that when they accuse a Westerner of "racism", they will get whatever they want.
We know from the past that people who are oppressed in a country, they move out of it. There is nobody who wants to move out from Western Europe back to their own country.
It is sick to see that people who criticize immigrants are called racist, but imams who preach anti-western ideas (anti democracy, pro terrorism, etc) are tolerated.
What is happening in the West however, may be very dangerous. If Europe does not deal with immigrants in healthy ways - make them integrate by adopting European values - a real extremist ideology may well be born, just like we've seen in the past in Europe.
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22 Jul 2007 Sun 11:46 pm |
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reciproicty is the main rule for the international policies and relationships,so all countries have to be carefull about that for a just relationship,you will creat big difficulties just for a visa even for a foreigner and you will wait big freedoms or rights from another country,really big hypocricy.You can be a strong or powerfull country with ur technology or strong economy,but no one never have to forget thats never a reason for to be bossy on international relationships.Racism a big danger for all world,but pity it starting with the innocent nationalist policies...eqauality thats the rule of nature for peace,for the nations even..
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22 Jul 2007 Sun 11:49 pm |
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other countries will be in relationship with a more stronger,stabil and powerfull Turkey since monday morning,and our great country will be very hosbitable and very welcomed for the foreigners in the reciprocity rules...
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22 Jul 2007 Sun 11:52 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: reciproicty is the main rule for the international policies and relationships,so all countries have to be carefull about that for a just relationship,you will creat big difficulties just for a visa even for a foreigner and you will wait big freedoms or rights from another country,really big hypocricy.You can be a strong or powerfull country with ur technology or strong economy,but no one never have to forget thats never a reason for to be bossy on international relationships.Racism a big danger for all world,but pity it starting with the innocent nationalist policies...eqauality thats the rule of nature for peace,for the nations even.. |
No MrX there's no requirement for reciprocity and if you thought of this, you'd see that it's to your own benefit to allow Westerners in your country. If your country decides that they don't want Europeans, it's up to you. If they decide that they don't want immigrants, it's up to them, it's their country and they can decide what they want with it. However, it's really you who will lose in this game.
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22 Jul 2007 Sun 11:58 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting MrX67: reciproicty is the main rule for the international policies and relationships,so all countries have to be carefull about that for a just relationship,you will creat big difficulties just for a visa even for a foreigner and you will wait big freedoms or rights from another country,really big hypocricy.You can be a strong or powerfull country with ur technology or strong economy,but no one never have to forget thats never a reason for to be bossy on international relationships.Racism a big danger for all world,but pity it starting with the innocent nationalist policies...eqauality thats the rule of nature for peace,for the nations even.. |
No MrX there's no requirement for reciprocity and if you thought of this, you'd see that it's to your own benefit to allow Westerners in your country. If your country decides that they don't want Europeans, it's up to you. If they decide that they don't want immigrants, it's up to them, it's their country and they can decide what they want with it. However, it's really you who will lose in this game. |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:31 am |
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Quoting MrX67: so everythings not only material benefits cat!!!.. |
I think Catwoman was merely talking about international contacts anyway, not about material benefits. As material benefits would only help the happy few, international contacts and eventually enterance of the EU could do much more good.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:35 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting MrX67: so everythings not only material benefits cat!!!.. |
I think Catwoman was merely talking about international contacts anyway, not about material benefits. As material benefits would only help the happy few, international contacts and eventually enterance of the EU could do much more good. |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:41 am |
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Quoting MrX67: not for willings of EU!!!! |
Did I say that?
Im not such a big fan of EU, but our small united nations are better than a highly divided Europe in the world of the powres of the east and the US.
I too, wish for the improvement of Turkey.
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