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Religion....
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 04:27 pm |
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Quoting vineyards: It seems most faithfull people have a problem with those who don't believe. We experience the usual problems associated with being in minority. We cannot get our message through. Our choices about belief are not properly taught in schools and presented as viable options to school children. It is obvious that we non-believers are subjected to a large scale silencing campaign. |
Its not something I experience (except on this website!). I think most people believe in God, but in the culture I live in faith is a very personal thing which is rarely discussed and does not play a obvious part in day to day lives, or interfere with it (with the exception of Jehovah's Witnesses who bang on our doors to persuade everyone to join their "faith"  ).
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 05:28 pm |
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Sometimes, people confuse the non-acceptance of something's existence with the acceptance of its non-existence. While the former is only a negation or a rejection, and it is simply a choice. No one could have anything to say or interfere, on the other hand, the latter is a judgment needing proof.
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 05:39 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: Sometimes, people confuse the non-acceptance of something's existence with the acceptance of its non-existence. While the former is only a negation or a rejection, and it is simply a choice. No one could have anything to say or interfere, on the other hand, the latter is a judgment needing proof.
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Isnt this (nearly) a quote from Fethulla Gulen?
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 05:47 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting qdemir: Sometimes, people confuse the non-acceptance of something's existence with the acceptance of its non-existence. While the former is only a negation or a rejection, and it is simply a choice. No one could have anything to say or interfere, on the other hand, the latter is a judgment needing proof.
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Isnt this (nearly) a quote from Fethulla Gulen? |
Do you know him? I do read and share his views.
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 05:53 pm |
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Quote: Quoting qdemir: Isnt this (nearly) a quote from Fethulla Gulen? |
Do you know him? I do read and share his views. |
I am reading his book, I dont remembe the title, but I think I read what you just said nearly the same way about 2 weeks ago  I will look it up when I get home from work.
Unfortunately I dont share his views at all and his reasons why he thinks God exists, seem very simplistic and childish to me. To be honest, the book is boring me. However, since I work at an organization who have close connection with Zaman Gazetesi, I thoght I should learn a bit about his points of view 
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 05:55 pm |
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I should add that the part you quoted from him, is something I feel close to, though.
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 06:07 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
Unfortunately I dont share his views at all and his reasons why he thinks God exists, seem very simplistic and childish to me. |
Does it mean you don't accept God's existince, or you have better reasoning?
I have read the same article of him. Yes it is in a plain language, but it is scientific and logical. Also I think the way he reasons God existence in a simple style makes it easy for anyone from different educational background to understand.
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 06:14 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting qdemir: Sometimes, people confuse the non-acceptance of something's existence with the acceptance of its non-existence. While the former is only a negation or a rejection, and it is simply a choice. No one could have anything to say or interfere, on the other hand, the latter is a judgment needing proof.
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Isnt this (nearly) a quote from Fethulla Gulen? |
Do you know him? I do read and share his views. |
Not often his name is mentioned on this site. He is someone who interests me simply because there are such opposing opinions of him.
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 06:16 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: but it is scientific and logical. |
which part is scientific?
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 06:16 pm |
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Quoting qdemir: Does it mean you don't accept God's existince, or you have better reasoning?
I have read the same article of him. Yes it is in a plain language, but it is scientific and logical. Also I think the way he reasons God existence in a simple style makes it easy for anyone from different educational background to understand. |
Yes, that is also why the book was written, to reach people who believe and people who dont believe. Its more that I expected more from it, maybe thats why it seemed such a simplistic book!
I accept the existence of a power, but I dont accept the existence of an "omni potent God-power" as described in any of the holy books. I dont have any scientific reasoning for it, but I also dont feel like I need to.
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03 Feb 2008 Sun 06:19 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Not often his name is mentioned on this site. He is someone who interests me simply because there are such opposing opinions of him. |
Yes me too. That is why I started reading one of his books, where he explains (his ideas on) the basics of islamic beliefs. So that I can get my own opinion on him.
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