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Religion....
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| 90. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:42 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting peace train: You are so predictable and that statement above is inflammatory, as if you didn't know. You mentioned thread locking earlier, perhaps now is the time. |
It is no secret peace train - there is nothing inflammatory about those words - it is fact 
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I know you like to quote fact.
Your statement:
"Unfortunately our only education and dialogue comes from the hatred banners and the wild screams of our British muslim population,"
This implies all Muslims do what you state. You say it is "our only education and dialogue", "our"? I live in the same country as you and I don't wish you to speak for me.
There are alternative sources of education about Islam too, if you look and I am sure an intelligent person like yourself does read.
I remember you once said you had Muslim friends, surely they don't wave hatred banners and scream wildly do they? You said that was your only education.
Although there are some unsavoury elements at work here, your statement was at worst worded deliberately to sensationalise and at best, badly worded.
Here endeth my last lesson for today.
Nice to know you're watching my every movement. I didn't know you cared.
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| 91. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:45 pm |
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Peacetrain you look at everything with rose-tinted glasses, because you have a few nice friends who are muslims!! Of course, so do I 
But do you never look around you and see what is happening? Do you deny that we have more radical extremist muslims in the UK than in Turkey? Do you deny that we are in more danger from terrorism from our own citizens than from anywhere else in the world?
There is nothing sensationalist in my words. There are MORE non-integrated muslims in the UK, than integrated ones. There are whole parts of our biggest cities taken over by them, they use their OWN doctors, taxis, businesses and have their own social lives. In fact, they live completely separate lives to the rest of the UK, because they see us as evil. Do you deny this? 
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| 92. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:46 pm |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting peace train: quoting AEnigma
Unfortunately our only education and dialogue comes from the hatred banners and the wild screams of our British muslim population,
end of quote.
You are so predictable and that statement above is inflammatory, as if you didn't know. You mentioned thread locking earlier, perhaps now is the time. |
peace train
there must be somethnig you are afraid of since you wish the thread was locked. how hypocritic!
isnt it aenigma unveiling something here? she seems to know more on islam than you or qdemir? |
I'm so pleased for her. You must take great comfort in that. Well done.
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| 93. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:46 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Here endeth my last lesson for today.
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If only that were true 
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| 94. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:47 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: It makes me laugh how Brits are so "politically correct" and always attack anyone who complains. Yet they remain silent when people come to live in our country and fail to integrate at all into our society or learn the language, and do nothing but talk about the "evil west" and promote extremist and fundamentalist views and actions.
You are their biggest allies!  |
That needle . . . that groove . . . stuck again!
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| 95. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 09:50 pm |
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Quoting peace train: That needle . . . that groove . . . stuck again! |
Yes, you keep saying the same things over and over...
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| 96. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 10:07 pm |
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Qdemir, I dont want to get in any discussion bashing religions or anything. But dont you think the Quran is full of contradictions? I have read several sources upon it, (as a study Islamology at university), and read quoted verses there in Quran. At one point, it asks the Muslims to kill all Christians, but somewhere it writes that Muhammad says that EVERYBODY who says that there is only ONE god (no matter whether you clal it ALlah and believe in his prophet),will go to heaven. It ıs very unclear which things are really meant. No wonder there are a million different groups among Muslims. How is one to know what is true? There are very few people in Turkey who can read Arabic, and if they can, they can only read the ltters and not understand the words. How are they to read the Quran, since its forbidden to read its translation? I am just struggling to get a picture of this complex religion, whose believers are strong defenders of things that I just cant understand.
I am really trying to get an idea of what Islam is. But the more I learn, the more disappointed I get. And it is not because I am anti-religious, I am actually really spiritual. But all that I read, doesnt make me think of a Good Power.
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| 97. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 10:20 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Peacetrain you look at everything with rose-tinted glasses, because you have a few nice friends who are muslims!! Of course, so do I
But do you never look around you and see what is happening? Do you deny that we have more radical extremist muslims in the UK than in Turkey? Do you deny that we are in more danger from terrorism from our own citizens than from anywhere else in the world?
There is nothing sensationalist in my words. There are MORE non-integrated muslims in the UK, than integrated ones. There are whole parts of our biggest cities taken over by them, they use their OWN doctors, taxis, businesses and have their own social lives. In fact, they live completely separate lives to the rest of the UK, because they see us as evil. Do you deny this? |
If it suits you to psychoanalyse (I know you like this word) me then do so. Create a view of me for what I do say. Create a view of me for what I don't say. I'm quite happy for you to do that because I'm happy with my views. Because I don't share them doesn't mean they are drastically different to yours or absolutely in line with yours. And also, all members are at liberty to have a view of any other member, based on how they conduct themselves. We all agree to that when we post a comment and I don't think there's any sense in whinging about it.
I'm reminded of your "defeatist" (your word) comments, about the people trafficking petition, this morning. I could say a similar thing about putting views forward here.
Cut, paste, analyse - not a problem for me.
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| 98. |
03 Feb 2008 Sun 10:22 pm |
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Will give you the last word peace train, because arguing with you is not as much fun as arguing with Qdemir and I am getting sleepy at the thought of more posts...
Zzzzzzzzzzz
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| 99. |
04 Feb 2008 Mon 12:39 am |
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Deli_kizin, just sent you a pm concerning your above post.
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| 100. |
04 Feb 2008 Mon 01:09 am |
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Quoting peace train: Not often his name is mentioned on this site. He is someone who interests me simply because there are such opposing opinions of him. |
To be honest peace train, there is nothing interesting about him. he just happens to be one of those preachers with strong determination to bring sheria into Turkey.
He is well known with his languishing eyes with an innocent look on his face. Of course, everybody realises in Turkey that he is just faking it..
He is very well supported by the USA, I think, in terms of creating a light version of islam in turkey as an example to other muslim countries. Of course, they dont realise the fact that he is just faking everything with them too . He is merely trying to reach his destination!!
There are many rumors about his sayings(of course he always denies them ). Some of them are all related how 'secretly they should be organised in order to reach the ultimate goal'. And they are very secretive and very well organised indeed.
Their secrecy is coming from the days when they were hiding. And they very well know that they cant find any supporters if they said 'they want sheria'
But I have to admit, the way they are organised is impressive:
When they want to pass a message, or prepare the public on a topic, you would see in all turkish forums, suddenly these well mannered users coming in and opening a subject about what he says, what the idea is etc..
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