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04 Feb 2008 Mon 01:44 pm |
If your life or life of a member of your family is under threat just because of your faith, you are allowed to hide your faith, or you are allowed to say as opposed to whay you actually believe.
This is called 'takiyye' in Islam.
One of the companions of Hz Mohammed, Ammar and his parents were tortured by non-believers as he became a Muslim. He was forced to denial of his belief by torturing his father and mother heavily. His father and mother died of severe torture. As he was exposed to excruciating torture he said what he was asked for by non-believers. However, it was just a denial in words, but not one from the heart. Hz Mohammed told him if he was exposed to such a torture again he would say in the same way.
If your properties or money are under threat you are allowed to tell lies.
This is also called 'takiyye'
Nobody tells the truth when they are threatened by robbers. It wouldn't be wise just for sake of telling the truth.
Takiyye doesn't mean you are allowed to tell lies about issues related to Islam in order to spread your belief.
Every thing is distinctly stated in the Koran. Nobody is allowed, or licensed to state otherwise.
Takiyye isn't one of the principles or prays in Islam, but just a permission to tell such lies to save your life, properties, money, etc. in such cases.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:06 pm |
kadersokak,
its not that innocent with cheating as you describe above. it is allowed at any time under any circumstnces.
and one of the names of allah is a great deceiver. just wonderful!
while other two religions dont allow such behaviour.
i guess islam is the only religion that obsessively defends itself even using lies.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:07 pm |
In Islam women don't perform their daily prayers when they are on menstruation period because a woman who is menstruating can't keep ablution as blood keeps flowing from her body on her period. Ablution is a prerequisite for a prayer. And they aren't obliged to make up those prayers they missed during their periods.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:12 pm |
Quoting qdemir: In Islam women don't perform their daily prayers when they are on menstruation period because a woman who is menstruating can't keep ablution as blood keeps flowing from her body on her period. Ablution is a prerequisite for a prayer. And they aren't obliged to make up those prayers they missed during their periods. |
its so funny that body is more important than soul in islam. everything is very earthly in islam, not spiritual at all.
why blood is considered to be impure?
its not important what you have on your body, but on your heart.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:20 pm |
Quoting qdemir: Every thing is distinctly stated in the Koran. |
But according to Vineyards, it is not! Nobody seems to be able to agree on what EXACTLY or DISTINCTLY it does say!
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:24 pm |
That's not because menstruation is considered dirty or blood is impure. Ablution is not only getting clean physically but also getting ready spiritually for a prayer.
And there are some principles to keep an ablution. One of them is; you mustn't bleed in any way.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:27 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting qdemir: Every thing is distinctly stated in the Koran. |
But according to Vineyards, it is not! Nobody seems to be able to agree on what EXACTLY or DISTINCTLY it does say! |
It doesn't matter who says what, others or me. Just get a Koran in English, read and find out yourself. If you would like, I can recommend you one.
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:30 pm |
Quoting qdemir: It doesn't matter who says what, others or me. Just get a Koran in English, read and find out yourself. If you would like, I can recommend you one. |
Actually it matters A LOT who says what!!!!
I have read it - but it appears that all translations are wrong eh?
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:31 pm |
Quoting qdemir: That's not because menstruation is considered dirty or blood is impure. Ablution is not only getting clean physically but also getting ready spiritually for a prayer.
And there are some principles to keep an ablution. One of them is; you mustn't bleed in any way. |
qdemir, mohammed said that the period is a sickness/illness
and now you are telling a different story. are you applying taqqye to infidels?
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:33 pm |
Quoting qdemir: If you would like, I can recommend you one. |
I have an idea that your recommended one would be the preferred translation of Fethulla Gulen - maybe a nice "soft" version for converting westerners!!
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04 Feb 2008 Mon 02:34 pm |
Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting qdemir: It doesn't matter who says what, others or me. Just get a Koran in English, read and find out yourself. If you would like, I can recommend you one. |
Actually it matters A LOT who says what!!!!
I have read it - but it appears that all translations are wrong eh? |
No, they aren't. If you really would like to read one translated successfully in Enlish, Just pm me.
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