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Şark Islahat Planı 1925
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26 Apr 2008 Sat 11:37 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting CANLI: Ok handsom,im curious to know what do you think is the right way Türkiye should do to fix this problem
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Actually..just ask kurds:
-if they are allowed to come to a place in the state with their 'kurdish identity'?
-if they are allowed to elect their own governor (vali) in a proper uniter Turkey?
-are they allowed to speak kurdish in local governments/ are they allowed to learn and teach kurdish language as an option in schools/ are they allowed to use kurdish in tvs/radios/papers? in a country that has the officila language as turkish?
-if there is an insult or anything , as kurds are they allowed to take them to court and get penalized?
when they say yes to above, we dont have kurdish problem anymore.
ps..giving a piece of land from turkey to anybody has never ever came into my mind as a solution. It is not a solution..
***(Just think of it: turks in greece, in primary schools, turkish childeren saying ' I am Greek, I am honest, I am hard working... May my existence be a gift to the Greek existence' .
why would turks should be forced to say that?
But why are we forcing Kurds to say that?
ridiculous !!)
** (Look at this list: 1971 TİP, 1980 TEP, 1991 TBKP, 1992 SP, 1993 HEP, 1993 ÖZDEP, 1993 STP, 1994 DEP, 1997 EP, 1999 DKP, 2003 HADEP..these are the parties that talked about kurdish rights and they were all closed!!
So far, by closing their parties, we gave the kurds two options only:
1- Be assimilated and become a turk
2- rebel and go to mountains.)
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İ dont understand how do you compare Turk in Greece by Kurd in Türkiye?!
Greece not the Turks country,its the greeks country,but Türkiye is Kurd's country as they are Turkish citizen
Dont you consider them part of your society ?
Do you see them as same as turks in Greece or Turk is USA or whatever ?!!!
We are talking about citizens of the same country here,and in that country
İ dont understand,do you think that Kurds should have a kurdish identity not a Turkish one ?!
You are in UK as i understood,do you see British citizens have another identity apart from being british?!
The language of the country is Turkish,so how can they talk kurdish in local governments?
İ mean in UK is it acceptable that peple talk French or Arabic in local governmets?!
Or the language of the country is English,so they use it in formal levels,and who want to speak other language they can do it unformaly?!
You are talking as if they are another people,in another country inside Türkiye ?!
Well,i guess that is not acceptable in any country,that some group of people,no matter small or big,can form small country inside
But,
İf the majority of the city,or köyler are Kurds,and if they elected another Kurd as Mayor or something,of course they should be allowed to that
İts their right as citizens of the country
İf they want to learn Kurdish language as second language or third language in school,they also should be allowed,but of course beside learning their first laguage which is Turkish,the formal language of the country..
they should have their rights as any citizen of the country.
And saying...'ne mutlu turkum diyene'
İsnt that mean,happy who say im Turkish ?!
Arent they Turkish citizens ?!
İn my opinion,they should melt in the community as Turkish citizens while keeping their identity,and demand their rights as Turkish citizens also.
İf their parts won in the elections then its their right to have them as any Turkish citizen.
İts not something you or anyone give to them,they must know this,and Turk must know this also,it is their RİGHTS as Turkish citizens...
Being citizen of the country has its rights and its duties,and so they have it also..
And one of them to elect who they want,but as being Turkish citizens,and from here they can improve their stiuations in the country, build new schools,hospitals,gain more rights..ect as any part who serve the people who elected them
But speaking about Kurds identity,or using Kurds language in formal is not normal inside united country
Or else it would be fair also that Arab and Persian and Greek will come and demand to speak their languages and have their own identities as Arab,Persian,and Greeks,...ect
Then Türkiye will be a hotle that contain different people living together not a United country with 1 identity and one language as any other country
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27 Apr 2008 Sun 12:41 am |
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if thats a freedoms and rights topic,i'm afraid who defending some ethnicty they r not honest,and thats such a big shame to make policies about ethnicities on this modern age??noone of us never can defend any privilage or superitory to any ethnicity in modern and democratical countries,but thats really very danger tool when using with bad aimed hands...
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27 Apr 2008 Sun 01:03 am |
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Quoting CANLI:
İ dont understand how do you compare Turk in Greece by Kurd in Türkiye?!
Greece not the Turks country,its the greeks country,but Türkiye is Kurd's country as they are Turkish citizen
Dont you consider them part of your society ?
Do you see them as same as turks in Greece or Turk is USA or whatever ?!!!
We are talking about citizens of the same country here,and in that country
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Exactly..
We have ethnically turks living in Greece (in Bulgaria, in Iraq, in Cyprus etc). They have been living there hundreds of years. They are greeks citizens but they are Turks. And Greece is their country.
I am not talking about the Turks in USA.
Quoting CANLI:
İ dont understand,do you think that Kurds should have a kurdish identity not a Turkish one ?!
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I did not say that Canli. I was trying to say that' we dont want greece to assimilate the turkish minority' for example. They call themselves Turks..Not Greeks. But they are still greek citizens..
Being a citizen is different than your ethnic identity..
Scots dont call them british for example..but so what?
Quoting CANLI:
You are in UK as i understood,do you see British citizens have another identity apart from being british?!
The language of the country is Turkish,so how can they talk kurdish in local governments?
İ mean in UK is it acceptable that peple talk French or Arabic in local governmets?!
Or the language of the country is English,so they use it in formal levels,and who want to speak other language they can do it unformaly?!
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In the uk, it is allowed to speak welsh in welshistan  for example. Or when you say you dont know english they will provide you a translater.
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And saying...'ne mutlu turkum diyene'
İsnt that mean,happy who say im Turkish ?!
Arent they Turkish citizens ?!
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Some of our citizens dont like saying that..
Main reason for that is our dividing nationalism I am afraid (when you say 'there is no such a think called kurd' to kurdish people and then force them to say 'ne mutlu turkum diyene' is not nice and here is the result basically).
But what are you going to do if they dont want to say that? Kill them?
Shall we accept for the Turks in Greece if they are forced to say 'ne mutlu Greek diyene'?
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But speaking about Kurds identity,or using Kurds language in formal is not normal inside united country
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I said they should be allowed to use their language as a second language where as official language is Turkish.
(There are many kurdish who dont speak Turkish fluently)
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27 Apr 2008 Sun 10:22 pm |
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It's an old game, Divide and Rule
Why don't we take a look at all the people who have wanted that part of Turkey that just happens to have an interest:
The Treaty of Sevres
Let's then take a look at:
Headwaters of the Tigress and Euphrates
I wonder what's going on here? It looks to me like a lot of people are being duped.
If you are a citizen of Turkey, you are a Turk and should support and work with the existing system. If you don't like it, work to change it within the system. To do otherwise is to be a traitor. Anyway, that's what it looks like to me.
I think the problem is what it has always been, control of vital resources and outside manipulation for the control of those resources.
Again:
Divide and Rule
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