Quoting zhang ziyi:

Quoting @Tommy@:

Does anyone know?

Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols.

Crusaders were killers.

They can have sex everywhere and with everyone.
....

Quoting KeithL:

I have often wondered when it was decided and by whom, why it became acceptable to eat pork and shellfish for Christians.

Quoting Elisabeth:

The belief that it is ok to eat pork actually came from Jesus himself. I think (but I am not sure because its been more than a few decades since bible school) that in the Gospel of St. John that Jesus said something to the effect....why would you abstain from pork and observe all your other religious laws (like ritual ablution) and still be full of sin? (I am paraphrasing)...anyway, it is a Christian belief that God does not judge you by the contents of your stomach, or the cleanliness of your hands/feet, ect....but by the contents of your soul.

Quoting KeithL:

So actually, this is one of my biggest theological issues as a Christian. God layed down these laws, but they were changed by man. I don't know where, but I think there are probably Christians that still practice this.

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting @Tommy@:

Does anyone know?

Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols.

Crusaders were killers.

They can have sex everywhere and with everyone.
....

Quoting girleegirl:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Well, if he/she is resurrected he/she MUST be Christian!

Quoting @Tommy@:

Does anyone know?

Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols.

Crusaders were killers.

They can have sex everywhere and with everyone.
....

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting KeithL:

let it be known my axe is plenty big...

Quoting libralady:

My my what a controversial thread this is! Not much action yet

Quoting @Tommy@:

Does anyone know?

Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols.

Crusaders were killers.

They can have sex everywhere and with everyone.
....

Quoting libralady:

Jack the Riper

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting thehandsom: Quoting libralady: My my what a controversial thread this is! Not much action yet Yes..It is a very very controversial indeed. Actually it is a sore and this sore has closed and has been healing at TC for the last several months. Whats the point of opening the this scar and making it hurt again??? What is this..just another flame baiting christian bashing thread?? Eh?

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting thehandsom: Quoting libralady: My my what a controversial thread this is! Not much action yet Yes..It is a very very controversial indeed. Actually it is a sore and this sore has closed and has been healing at TC for the last several months. Whats the point of opening the this scar and making it hurt again??? What is this..just another flame baiting christian bashing thread?? Eh?

Quoting peacetrain:

Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting KeithL: let it be known my axe is plenty big... Just want the class to know....I HAVE NO IDEA HOW BIG KEITH'S AXE IS!!!

Quoting peacetrain:

Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting libralady: My my what a controversial thread this is! Not much action yet Yes..It is a very very controversial indeed. Actually it is a sore and this sore has closed and has been healing at TC for the last several months. Whats the point of opening the this scar and making it hurt again??? What is this..just another flame baiting christian bashing thread?? Eh? Don't worry about us Christians, handsom....we are used to being persecuted...but just wait until the Hindu and Buddist bashing threads come up! We will have everyone in a lather then!

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting peacetrain: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting libralady: My my what a controversial thread this is! Not much action yet Yes..It is a very very controversial indeed. Actually it is a sore and this sore has closed and has been healing at TC for the last several months. Whats the point of opening the this scar and making it hurt again??? What is this..just another flame baiting christian bashing thread?? Eh? Don't worry about us Christians, handsom....we are used to being persecuted...but just wait until the Hindu and Buddist bashing threads come up! We will have everyone in a lather then! And eggs live in fear of being poached by the vegetables.

Quoting @Tommy@:

Does anyone know?

Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols.

Crusaders were killers.

They can have sex everywhere and with everyone.
....

Quoting MrX67:

such a respectfull,peacfull,sincere and friendly thread,congrats Tommy

Quoting libralady:

Everything else, you are spot on, I am sure there are things that you are missing, like how we contributed to slavery, how we took over whole countries and created colonies. And promiscuity is not a new thing you know.

Then there are the mass murderers, Sweeny Todd, Jack the Riper, oh and don't forget Guy Falkes...........

And of course, if you are touching on religion, what about the Bishops that abuse chilren, who wont allow women to become Bishops on the same terms...............

Idols? What like Katie Price (aka Jordon) and Jade Goody??? Now they are real Britain!

Quoting Daydreamer:

Crusaders were killers. True. Or just a couple of guys who felt bored at home and had to let out some steam.

I discredit Christianity because they believe in a supreme being and it's not Santa They have a ridiculous idea that you should have sex only after you're married and do it for procreation only, no contraception is allowed and you baptise newborns who have no chance to choose their religion for themselves.

Besides, I always had this anti-thing for people having to obey for no logical reason but faith...

Quoting teaschip:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting @Tommy@:

Quoting @Tommy@:

Does anyone know?

Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols.

Crusaders were killers.

They can have sex everywhere and with everyone.
....

Quoting ninja:

Quoting ninja:

What is wrong with you, Tommy?

Quoting @Tommy@:

Quoting teaschip: Quoting @Tommy@: Does anyone know? Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols. Crusaders were killers. They can have sex everywhere and with everyone. .... You must have never had a BLT before. Didn't you know, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit all three of them loved BLT's. Especially after having an orgy with all of their disciples. You can always count on that bacon when you have the munchies.

Quoting teaschip:

Quite the opposite, I'm very comfortable with my religion, so I don't feel the need to defend it. Believe me a post about what is wrong with Christians, doesn't offend me. It takes alot more to set me off, I'm sorry to disappoint you.

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting @Tommy@:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Canli, christianity is not perfect at all, but it's better then islam for sure.

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting catwoman:

Canli, christianity is not perfect at all, but it's better then islam for sure.

Quoting alameda:

Well the thing I have a real problem with is the implied or suggested cannibalism in Christianity....

You know, it's called Eucharist....or communion...

Eating the body and blood of Jesus.....?????

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Cause of you're that thoughtful and that perfect ( christianity is better than islam ), you're trying to insult islam by saying non-sense explanations and finding fools and quoting them ?

What you're doing know is a shame. as bad as racism. Plus as you're an admin you should be objective. You're in turkishclass you know that most of the Turks are muslim and as an admin you're saying that Christianity is better than islam. That's why many users and me are away from here. Thanx God I know that all the christians are not like you..

Quoting zhang ziyi:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting catwoman:

you are not thinking, you're just 'reacting', that's the problem. I can have a perfectly good conversation with a reasonable person of any faith, but you're clearly not such a person.

Quoting catwoman:

I said christianity is better then islam, not based on its beliefs (and I said that), but from the point of view of an outsider - christianity is not violent, is not afraid of criticism, does not defy rules of law and equality. this is all that I care about and judge you by.

Quoting catwoman:

and even as an admin, I have the right to express my own opinions, if you are unable to handle that it's your problem. but you can come here and say your own opinions as well.

Quoting catwoman:

actually, I would love it if you could prove me wrong that islam is not as bad, but you are only proving me right by doing the things that I am saying that I don't like about islam. fortunately, not all muslims are like that.

Quoting zhang ziyi:

Ninja, you are so much jealous of Ziyi's beauty like every other lady.
No, I'm sorry to disappoint you, I will never remove the picture. My nick/account is dedicated to her.

Quoting Rocco Siffredi:

ps: i am with you Tommy, go on. grazie.

Quoting alameda:

Well the thing I have a real problem with is the implied or suggested cannibalism in Christianity....

You know, it's called Eucharist....or communion...

Eating the body and blood of Jesus.....?????

"..............But all the ancient Churches of the East (the Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, and the Assyrian Church of the East) believe, as the Catholic Church does, that in the Eucharist the bread and wine do become the body and blood of Christ."

Eucharist

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting ninja:

Quoting @Tommy@:

Quoting @Tommy@:

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Quoting @Tommy@:

Quoting Daydreamer:

If I remember correctly, Christians cannot choose rules to follow - disobeying commandments is a sin, you cannot pick out what you want. If you break a rule, you sin and you will be judged for it after death. The idea is that it is God who will judge not your contemporaries. There's a quote which goes more or less 'Don't judge and you won't be judged' that refers to being judged by people. Catholics have a different approach, they use the power Jesus gave to St Peter when he said that he was to build his church on Earth and to pardon sins of people (Something like: In heaven I will pardon the sins you will pardon, and not pardon those you won't). Thus priests in Catholicism have the power to pardon sins.

Quoting zhang ziyi:

Quoting Daydreamer:

If I remember correctly, Christians cannot choose rules to follow - disobeying commandments is a sin, you cannot pick out what you want. If you break a rule, you sin and you will be judged for it after death. The idea is that it is God who will judge not your contemporaries. There's a quote which goes more or less 'Don't judge and you won't be judged' that refers to being judged by people. Catholics have a different approach, they use the power Jesus gave to St Peter when he said that he was to build his church on Earth and to pardon sins of people (Something like: In heaven I will pardon the sins you will pardon, and not pardon those you won't). Thus priests in Catholicism have the power to pardon sins.

Quoting alameda:

Ummmm.....I guess the Inquisition followed in these lines?

Inquisition

Rather, I think they would still be doing this if the general populace had not become so disgusted in the whole thing. If they had the power, do you think they wouldn't do this again?

Witch Trials

Quoting Daydreamer:

And just a thought - what does it all have to do with the fact that it is a lie that Christians are able to choose which rules to follow?

Quoting alameda:

I mention this because you say Christians are able to choose which rules to follow. Of course, the follower having and making use of their "free will" chooses to follow or not follow the decrees of their faith, however, until very recently if certain rules were NOT followed dire consequences would follow. Even today one may find themself shunned for not following rules.

All the Abrahamic faiths believe in free well. Without that, there would not be much meaning to the concept of sin.

Perhaps what we should define is, just what is Christianity? There are Trinitarian (Nicaean Creed) and Unitarian (Arian) Christianity....Most practiced branch of Christianity is Trinitarian, or Nicaean Creed. Then you have numerous subdivisions that give authority to various aspects of life.

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting peacetrain:

Brief history of Christianity (lecturer's not gay by the way)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ope-1Zb5t-k&feature=related

Quoting catwoman:

If someone posted sth like this about islam, there would be riots now. Look at the hypocricy...

Quoting CANLI:

Hypocrisy of who ?!
We dont make fun of our religion,and we dont accept other to make fun of it
Where is the hypocrisy in that ?!

Quoting catwoman:

But you are quite ok with criticizing others! To quote sth from the Bible: you see a little piece of straw in other people's eyes and you don't see a big limb in your own.

Thank god there are people like Irshad Manji who show that islam could actually be something very respectable... if only you stopped being so fanatically defensive.

P.S. I am speaking of Islam as a doctrine, not about individual muslims!

Quoting catwoman:

But you are quite ok with criticizing others! To quote sth from the Bible: you see a little piece of straw in other people's eyes and you don't see a big limb in your own.

Thank god there are people like Irshad Manji who show that islam could actually be something very respectable... if only you stopped being so fanatically defensive.

P.S. I am speaking of Islam as a doctrine, not about individual muslims!

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Cause you respect islam, you're telling this to me ?
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_11_31666_5
Is my answer fanatically defensive here ?
Tell me the answer you want me to post, then i can post it,then you can reply it again.

Quoting catwoman:

You are denying claims and not accepting responsibility that there are horrible things done in the name of Islam. That's all that I expect a reasonable and honest person to do. The video I posted in the 'what's wrong with muslims' thread showed FACTS about muslims in the UK. These facts were not pretty. Yet, nobody said anything about it. Just like nobody says anything about many other things...

Quoting catwoman:

You are denying claims and not accepting responsibility that there are horrible things done in the name of Islam. That's all that I expect a reasonable and honest person to do. The video I posted in the 'what's wrong with muslims' thread showed FACTS about muslims in the UK. These facts were not pretty. Yet, nobody said anything about it. Just like nobody says anything about many other things...

Quoting uYkuSuz:

We dont say anything about that and other many things cause we know that when you go to fruit seller, you can find at least one rotten apple in every box. Can you tell me that all of the christians are perfect?-no i also dont tell you that all of the muslims are perfect. But difference between us is, i dont show you the rotten apples in your box cause i respect and also love your religion.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting CANLI:

Guys,why cant we live in peace together ?
İts not like we are going to convert so we are discussing the minor details of the religions are we ?
As much as you would like to think that we are away different than each others,but in the fact that we are very much close
Our religion coming from same God,and at the end we both are human
So we have many in common than you may think.

We here have many Christians living together,and we are almost alike,we just different in believes
Same behaviours same traditions,and as i told you cat,even honor killing be done by Christians too

İts not a matter of different religions as its a matter of different believes,behaviours,Traditions
Our Christians are not like yours cat,our Christians dont make fun of their religion and dont accept others to do it also
We both manage to live together,we have our ups and downs,but we live together

So why cant you accept our differences too,and interact with us as humans,same as we also should do with you
Our believes and yours something belong to each of us only.

Quoting peacetrain:

Sorry, I thought hypocrisy was an unwritten rule here. I've heard it said many times here that Westerners and Christians, unlike Muslims, have the capability to laugh at themselves. I simply thought I would provide the entertainment.

Quoting catwoman:

Christianity is not my religion canim and I definitely love the good apples from your box. I just don't understand why the good apples allow the bad apples to take over the whole fruit seller and the good apples don't speak against them?

Quoting uYkuSuz:

you know we turkish say
"elinde cekic varsa, herkes cividir"
"if you are holding a hammer,everybody is nail"
Coz you have a hammer, you see everybody is bad apple..

Quoting uYkuSuz:

you know we turkish say
"elinde cekic varsa, herkes cividir"
"if you are holding a hammer,everybody is nail"
Coz you have a hammer, you see everybody is nail.

Quoting CANLI:

So true uYkuSuz, And the West are holding the hammer,thats why they are trying to pick on İslam and İslamic countries too when ever they can.

Quoting catwoman:

This is the thing with you Alameda,

Quoting catwoman:

But I don't see everybody as bad apple.

When people mock Islam, you get angry because you say that they show a bad image of Islam, right? You riot, get together, protest... etc. (call for admin to resign). But when people justify killings (of so called infidels, apostates, innocent women...etc) in the name of Islam, why don't you protest?

Quoting catwoman:

Why don't you say: "they are wrong, Islam does not preach violence and murder, they are giving a wrong image to Islam"???? Since you don't, some people assume that you support that behavior.

Quoting alameda:

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Why don't you say: "USA is wrong, USA does not preach violence and murder, they are giving a wrong image to USA???? Since you don't, some people assume that you support that behavior.

*USA is just an example, you can write anything fits there.

Quoting CANLI:

And the West are holding the hammer,thats why they are trying to pick on İslam and İslamic countries too when ever they can.

Quoting peacetrain:

There's some disgusting activities going on in Zimbabwe, but I don't see anyone invading there anytime soon. I wonder why . . .

Quoting tamikidakika:

Quoting tamikidakika:

Quoting peacetrain:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting peacetrain:

simple minded:

1. free of deceit or guile; artless or unsophisticated.
2. lacking in mental acuteness or sense.
3. mentally deficient.

Quoting alameda:

Quoting tamikidakika:

well, the Arabs and Israel have no water at all. They all rely on Turkey for the water supply, but I still don`t think they are interested in the Turkish soil. But thats right the next generation of wars will be for water not oil. then America may consider bringing Turkey "democracy"

Quoting tamikidakika:

well, the Arabs and Israel have no water at all. They all rely on Turkey for the water supply, but I still don`t think they are interested in the Turkish soil. But thats right the next generation of wars will be for water not oil. then America may consider bringing Turkey 'democracy'

Quoting CANLI:

Assuming that you dont mean me by that statment,and you meant it as Simple facts i believe,yes ?

So,
Honest and real if they know what they are talking about,not if they just copy and quote what they read and hear
And personally,i dont think ALL those people who criticise Islam and Muslims 'Most of Westerns' have been to Islamic country or live between Muslims

Quoting catwoman:

Of course statement, not you!

Fair enough, but many had been to muslim countries and you know, facts are louder then words...

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting Elisabeth:

The belief that it is ok to eat pork actually came from Jesus himself. I think (but I am not sure because its been more than a few decades since bible school) that in the Gospel of St. John that Jesus said something to the effect....why would you abstain from pork and observe all your other religious laws (like ritual ablution) and still be full of sin? (I am paraphrasing)...anyway, it is a Christian belief that God does not judge you by the contents of your stomach, or the cleanliness of your hands/feet, ect....but by the contents of your soul.