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What is wrong with christians?
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 04:06 pm |
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Quoting teaschip: Quite the opposite, I'm very comfortable with my religion, so I don't feel the need to defend it. Believe me a post about what is wrong with Christians, doesn't offend me. It takes alot more to set me off, I'm sorry to disappoint you.  |
I thought the exact same thing. +1000
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 06:00 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting ninja:
What is wrong with you, Tommy?
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He was hoping to see people getting furious over somebody who dared to criticise Christianity. Too bad Christians seem to have more distance to themselves than a different group whose name I won't mention. |
Exactly... He just looks like a fool now. If at least he wrote some real things to criticize about christianity and not the jihadists and multiple wifes (oops - sex partners).. :-S
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 09:42 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Daydreamer:
He was hoping to see people getting furious over somebody who dared to criticise Christianity. Too bad Christians seem to have more distance to themselves than a different group whose name I won't mention. |
Exactly... He just looks like a fool now. If at least he wrote some real things to criticize about christianity and not the jihadists and multiple wifes (oops - sex partners).. :-S |
My dear,if Christianity was that perfect,you wouldnt have picked up some things to obay and others not too
claiming that human can correct the rules which God made,doesnt make it that strong or that right, does it ?! 
So dont think we couldnt find anything to criticize because obviouly we can
Just judging from your behaviours 'Christians' regarding your religion we have plenty to talk about,but we chose not to
Maybe it comes like a surprise to you to know that there are other persons who dont like to see their religion picked on it
And guess what,they are not Muslims
Maybe it doesnt matter to you,but it sure matter to others .
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 09:45 pm |
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Sry ,cant join to that thread Tommy
Our religion taught us to respect other religions
'Lakom Dinakom we Liya Diny'
'You have your faith and i have mine'
So if they chose to pick on ours,it doesnt mean we should do same,does it ?!
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08 Jul 2008 Tue 11:26 pm |
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Canli, christianity is not perfect at all, but it's better then islam for sure. And I say this not because of the doctrine but based on the behavior of people - islam is hateful towards women (and practices it!!!), it hates non-muslims (calls them infidels and says that you can take the property of infidels, you can rape infidels, etc.), it doesn't leave room for freedom to leave islam (apostates are killed), has no room for dialogue or criticism. Yes, I am generalizing based on the main events in muslim circles. It does not mean that all muslims are like that or that islam has always been like that (although you criticizing crusaders is pretty much like making fun of yourself).
There is an idea in islam called Ijtihad for example which means that every person can debate islam and reinterpret the scriptures, and you don't have to be a 'scholar' to argue about the doctrine. This idea in the past lead to a lot of debates and tolerance, but unfortunately Sunnis were willing to kill those who didn't subscribe to their particular version of islam and open-mindedness and debating ended. They even say that islam used to be more tolerant then christianity at some point.
There is really no such thing as "god made rules" because many of those rules contradict each other in the book and you have to 'interpret' them to make sense out of them. Often times, religious gurus even say different things about the same issue, so these rules, Canli, are not clear and one has to use her/his own mind to decide what they want these rules to mean. Usually, the majority of religious followers follows the mainstream interpretation because if they don't they are discriminated against or killed.
Canli, just because you say "they are not muslims", "they are not christians", it doesn't mean anything. It's just your particular version of islam that only means something to you. There is a set of beliefs called "Islam" and many people kill and hate others in the name of this set of beliefs and others, who also claim to belong to this religion defend the extremists out of loyalty to the group.
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:01 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting ninja:
What is wrong with you, Tommy?
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He was hoping to see people getting furious over somebody who dared to criticise Christianity. Too bad Christians seem to have more distance to themselves than a different group whose name I won't mention. |
Exactly... He just looks like a fool now. If at least he wrote some real things to criticize about christianity and not the jihadists and multiple wifes (oops - sex partners).. :-S |
i luv your hypocrisy dear ladz. it alwayz make me laugh at you. thanx for the creator for creating you really. O God! you create your vassals, at least follow them all.
ps: i am with you Tommy, go on. grazie.
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:07 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Canli, christianity is not perfect at all, but it's better then islam for sure. |
For you,but its the other way around for us
And i wont go back to old history and mention Crusade
Lets look at our world today,
Bush,Blair, are not Muslims,USA and UK,İsrael are NOT Muslim's countries
So would this ring some bells ?!
What violence are you really talking about ?
Who is fooling who now cat ?!
As for ijtihad...i dont understand,do you mean every Muslim can sit and think about the rules and in what way to follow then practice it ?!!!
İjtihad is with in the rule,not out of it,ijtihad of how to apply it,and its accourding to the set rules
You can argue of course as you want,you can apply the rules or not,but anything contradicting that rule is out of İslam,not tolerance
As for our rules,they are very much clear to us,maybe in Christianity they are not same
And of course there are rules set by God,then if not,what does make you follow Christianity rules and not other religion rules ?!
İf you are Christian then you follow Christians rules ,there is not such a thing as using your mind to decide what to follow or in which meaning
There is only one meaning to the rule
Stealing is a sin...how come it be not
Making sex with stranger is sin....how come it be not
Drinking alcohol is a sin....how come it be not ?
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İf everyone is explaining God's rules in his way,then in the end you will have no religion to start with
Religions are set of rules
We believe 'believers of each religion' those rules were set by God
İf everyone will have his version of that religion,we will be fooling ourselve to say we are Christians or Muslims
İf you want to be Christian you MUST follow Christians rules,there is no other way
Or all what you will have will be a hazy version of the religion
When you believe in God,as Christian,what does it means ?
That you just admit there is a God ?
What does God in a religion means?
Creator,the one who plan and has our destinies,set the rules
Know better than us,for the reason that he created us
So now you question HİS ability to set the right rules,and you
The one who has been created by HİM correcting them ?
Then tell me,if we can do better job,why arent we Gods ?!
İm talking within the range of believers,i mean if you say you believe,then you have to answer those questions
Not to me,but to yourself at least
İf you are not a bliever,then there is nothing to argue about here,you actually not contradictig yourself by saying you believe,and at same time you dont follow the rules
You simply dont believe,so its logic not to follow the rules
As a child,your Mother always knows the right answers,because in those days you are a child,but you will grow up and someday will know the answers too,you wont be a child forever,yes ?
But in that case,im afraid its different,you cant know like or better than God,because you will always be human,you will NEVER be God !
Ps:btw,its not easy 'even not allowed by church' for Christians to convert to İslam,not in our countries
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:13 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting catwoman: Canli, christianity is not perfect at all, but it's better then islam for sure. |
For you,but its the other way around for us
And i wont go back to old history and mention Crusade
Lets look at our world today,
Bush,Blair, are not Muslims,USA and UK,İsrael are NOT Muslim's countries
So would this ring some bells ?!
What violence are you really talking about ?
Who is fooling who now cat ?!
As for ijtihad...i dont understand,do you mean every Muslim can sit and think about the rules and in what way to follow then practice it ?!!!
İjtihad is with in the rule,not out of it,ijtihad of how to apply it,and its accourding to the set rules
You can argue of course as you want,you can apply the rules or not,but anything contradicting that rule is out of İslam,not tolerance
As for our rules,they are very much clear to us,maybe in Christianity they are not same
And of course there are rules set by God,then if not,what does make you follow Christianity rules and not other religion rules ?!
İf you are Christian then you follow Christians rules ,there is not such a thing as using your mind to decide what to follow or in which meaning
There is only one meaning to the rule
Stealing is a sin...how come it be not
Making sex with stranger is sin....how come it be not
Drinking alcohol is a sin....how come it be not ?
......ect
İf everyone is explaining God's rules in his way,then in the end you will have no religion to start with
Religions are set of rules
We believe 'believers of each religion' those rules were set by God
İf everyone will have his version of that religion,we will be fooling ourselve to say we are Christians or Muslims
İf you want to be Christian you MUST follow Christians rules,there is no other way
Or all what you will have will be a hazy version of the religion
When you believe in God,as Christian,what does it means ?
That you just admit there is a God ?
What does God in a religion means?
Creator,the one who plan and has our destinies,set the rules
Know better than us,for the reason that he created us
So now you question HİS ability to set the right rules,and you
The one who has been created by HİM correcting them ?
Then tell me,if we can do better job,why arent we Gods ?!
İm talking with the range of believers,i mean if you say you believe,then you have to answer those questions
Not to me,but to yourself at least
İf you are not a bliever,then there is nothing to argue about here,you actually not contradictig yourself by saying you believe,and at same time you dont follow the rules
You simply dont believe,so its logic not to follow the rules
As a child,you Mother always know the right answers,because in those days you are a child,but you will grow up and someday will know the answers too,you wont be a child forever,yes ?
But in that case,im afraid its different,you cant know like or better than God,because you will always be human,you will NEVER be God !
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wow! excellent post exactly. congratulazioni canli.
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 12:51 am |
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Well the thing I have a real problem with is the implied or suggested cannibalism in Christianity....
You know, it's called Eucharist....or communion...
Eating the body and blood of Jesus.....?????
"..............But all the ancient Churches of the East (the Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, and the Assyrian Church of the East) believe, as the Catholic Church does, that in the Eucharist the bread and wine do become the body and blood of Christ."
Eucharist
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 01:56 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Canli, christianity is not perfect at all, but it's better then islam for sure. |
hey folks lets change our religion!.
I have just learned how my religion really is.
if she decided it for us, She is right.
Poor muslims they believe a worse religion 
i bet she tried whole religions for a day, after a week she decided this.
Someone was talking about respect ?
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09 Jul 2008 Wed 05:08 am |
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Quoting alameda: Well the thing I have a real problem with is the implied or suggested cannibalism in Christianity....
You know, it's called Eucharist....or communion...
Eating the body and blood of Jesus.....????? |
Hahahahah, that is actually clever, and I agree with you alameda! It is rather strange when you think about it... :-S
The only thing that worries me is that you are not this thoughtful when it comes to islam...
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