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What is wrong with christians?
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60.       catwoman
8933 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 05:08 am

Quoting alameda:

Well the thing I have a real problem with is the implied or suggested cannibalism in Christianity....

You know, it's called Eucharist....or communion...

Eating the body and blood of Jesus.....?????


Hahahahah, that is actually clever, and I agree with you alameda! It is rather strange when you think about it... :-S
The only thing that worries me is that you are not this thoughtful when it comes to islam...

61.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 05:43 am

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting alameda:


The only thing that worries me is that you are not this thoughtful when it comes to islam...


Cause of you're that thoughtful and that perfect ( christianity is better than islam ), you're trying to insult islam by saying non-sense explanations and finding fools and quoting them ?

What you're doing now is a shame. as bad as racism. Plus as you're an admin you should be objective. You're in turkishclass you know that most of the Turks are muslim and as an admin you're saying that Christianity is better than islam. That's why many users and me are away from here. Thanx God I know that all the christians are not like you..

62.       catwoman
8933 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 06:04 am

Quoting uYkuSuz:

Cause of you're that thoughtful and that perfect ( christianity is better than islam ), you're trying to insult islam by saying non-sense explanations and finding fools and quoting them ?

What you're doing know is a shame. as bad as racism. Plus as you're an admin you should be objective. You're in turkishclass you know that most of the Turks are muslim and as an admin you're saying that Christianity is better than islam. That's why many users and me are away from here. Thanx God I know that all the christians are not like you..


you are not thinking, you're just 'reacting', that's the problem. I can have a perfectly good conversation with a reasonable person of any faith, but you're clearly not such a person.
I said christianity is better then islam, not based on its beliefs (and I said that), but from the point of view of an outsider - christianity is not violent, is not afraid of criticism, does not defy rules of law and equality. this is all that I care about and judge you by. and even as an admin, I have the right to express my own opinions, if you are unable to handle that it's your problem. but you can come here and say your own opinions as well. actually, I would love it if you could prove me wrong that islam is not as bad, but you are only proving me right by doing the things that I am saying that I don't like about islam. fortunately, not all muslims are like that.

63.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 10:51 am

These two religions can be analysed on many levels. I wouldn't go so far as to state one is better than another. Spiritually, they don't differ so much as they both imply believing in a supreme, omnipotent, almighty God who created people and chose some to teach about him. For an atheist, both religions here are equal, they both require you to believe something basing on a text from the past and give you no evidence for the existence of God (for some people a sentence like "Look around you, it had to be created by God" is not enough).

As religions they both are hierarchical and institutionalised and both have different denominations according to the interpretation of their Holy Texts. All the denominations can spend days providing "evidence" to support their interpretation. So many interpretations of one and the same text means the text is not perfect itself. And how can a perfect creature like God create something imperfect to teach imperfect people how to worship him? Here also, both religions are the same - both Holy Texts allow different interpretations. Catholic Church is just a denomination of Christianity, a group of guys who decided to bring some order into how the religion should be exercised. Thus there are Church rules that they may change (if I'm not mistaken, they've changed the rule that you shall fast on Friday - fast as in not eat meat). Their power is supposed to be given to them by God who made Peter(?) his representative in the world and ordered him to build his church

Both these religions have been invented and took place of pagan religions in different parts of the world. To make pagans convert, some traditions, rites and customs had to be adopted (Xmas tree, offerings etc). Muslims might interpret communion like an act of cannibalism but it is just bread and wine that symbolise accepting Christ, not eating him I find it unhygienic though that somebody touches pieces of bread that he later puts into the mouth of people.

I believe the biggest difference between these religions is visible socially, and here Islam seems to be where Christianity was 6 centuries ago. Unlike Muslims claim, the conflict in Middle east is not about religion, first of all countries participating are secular, not Christian countries. Then, it is about zone of influence (and oil) only. Both religions are guilty of bloodshed, Crusaders, suicide bombers, janissaries etc. The difference is, Crusades ended centuries ago, bombers are still active.

Religions are dangerous not only to infidels but also to their own followers if they are not willing to accept them the way the society demands them to. Here also, Islam seems more strict than Christianity. Honour killings, punishing converts, social ostracism are not associated with Christianity. Of course, not all countries with Islam being the main religion are the same, Turkey, for instance, would never seem Muslim to me if it weren't for the minarets and a few veiled women. Yet, not all countries are like Turkey. Religious freedom is more likely to be guaranteed in Europe or America than in the Middle East. And religious freedom does not mean the ability to choose to do like everybody does. It is the ability to decide against wearing veil, going to church, abstaining from sin. I am free not to follow my parents' religion. My friends who are Catholic sin and are not punished for that (if what they believe in is true they will be judged after death) - they drink, they have sex, they don't go to church and nobody dares to punish them for it. I'm afraid it is not the same with people in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan or Iraq.

To sum up, although these both religions are so similar in sense of origin, history and creed, they differ in terms of social freedom.

64.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 10:51 am

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65.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 10:55 am

Quoting zhang ziyi:

Quoting CANLI:


Sry ,cant join to that thread Tommy
Our religion taught us to respect other religions
'Lakom Dinakom we Liya Diny'
'You have your faith and i have mine'
So if they chose to pick on ours,it doesnt mean we should do same,does it ?!



The only difference I see is Christians are not defending their faith and don't feel offended at all in comparison to the reaction of Muslims (actually in both threads Muslims zealously defend their religion and zealously attack the other religion. /attack is known also a kind of defence/



Exactly! They, Christians, also joke about their religion and it doesn't make it any less important to them. Discussion and humour do not mean disrespect

66.       ninja
157 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 03:00 pm

Quoting Daydreamer:

Quoting zhang ziyi:

Quoting CANLI:


Sry ,cant join to that thread Tommy
Our religion taught us to respect other religions
'Lakom Dinakom we Liya Diny'
'You have your faith and i have mine'
So if they chose to pick on ours,it doesnt mean we should do same,does it ?!



The only difference I see is Christians are not defending their faith and don't feel offended at all in comparison to the reaction of Muslims (actually in both threads Muslims zealously defend their religion and zealously attack the other religion. /attack is known also a kind of defence/



Exactly! They, Christians, also joke about their religion and it doesn't make it any less important to them. Discussion and humour do not mean disrespect



Well sayings, Daydreamer and Zhangziyi!
In fact I feel offended as being "disgusting" for eating pork. lol
By the way, Zhang, can you remove your "personal picture"? She is the real Zhangziyi with a female gender, as for you, you a man, right?

67.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 03:03 pm

I already mentioned this to him. He is a man and ZZ is his idol

68.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 03:44 pm

Quoting catwoman:


you are not thinking, you're just 'reacting', that's the problem. I can have a perfectly good conversation with a reasonable person of any faith, but you're clearly not such a person.


There is no such a person actually.
Lets look at our forum. 2 years ago when i left here cause of this kind of subjects, we were discussing same thing. Now again same. And you're same again, reacting same. Even the answer i quoted is the same -Even I m muslim and Turk i have no right to explain anything/cause i m not such a person-.. could not you find such a person till now ?.. Wondering when you're 50 will you post topics like this.

You know we turkish say ; " bildigini sandigin birseyi ogrenemezsin " = " you can never learn the thing that you think you already know it "

I think there is only a problem with you.

Quoting catwoman:


I said christianity is better then islam, not based on its beliefs (and I said that), but from the point of view of an outsider - christianity is not violent, is not afraid of criticism, does not defy rules of law and equality. this is all that I care about and judge you by.


You cant say that christianity is better than islam in any way. Can you say that blue is better than red ? its the same thing..

and Islam is not violant. I dont know how you think that, and the only muslim is not your husband if he tells something to you. Islam is not afraid of criticism. But what makes me to think is why do you wanna criticize islam ? if i like blue and i believe blue is good and my favorite colour, why a person wants to criticize blue ? if you like red, ok then its your own life, i respect you, i know that you have reasons about your decision. There is something makes you like it.

Quoting catwoman:


and even as an admin, I have the right to express my own opinions, if you are unable to handle that it's your problem. but you can come here and say your own opinions as well.


If you are an admin you should be objective. Even you have your own opinions and want to express them. Have you ever seen a president that says "germans are the best/russians are the worst"?-same thing, If you say so, of course some part of the people will leave there,some of them will attack to other one.

Quoting catwoman:


actually, I would love it if you could prove me wrong that islam is not as bad, but you are only proving me right by doing the things that I am saying that I don't like about islam. fortunately, not all muslims are like that.


You know, i gave up about it. I tried to prove, you didnt believe. What do you want me to do? you want me to give a book for you to read ?(That wont work actually, you will find some silly videos from youtube "the ones that you have never seen,unknown people as speakers" and reply my post for to say that i m wrong.)

And I dont wanna be warned via PM,or i dont want this topic to be locked or i dont want you to delete my post.You believe that islam is worse as you believe christinaty is the best. And cause of this you cannot understand why muslims are muslim and as a result of this you dont respect, dont wanna understand and want to cricitize islam. I dont understand what your problem is with islam, if you think that you're in a right way and you have no aim like insulting. Why dont you live your own life and respect to others ?

69.       zhang ziyi
205 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 06:14 pm

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70.       ninja
157 posts
 09 Jul 2008 Wed 07:06 pm

Quoting zhang ziyi:

Ninja, you are so much jealous of Ziyi's beauty like every other lady.
No, I'm sorry to disappoint you, I will never remove the picture. My nick/account is dedicated to her.



Oh sorry for disappointing you, this is not anything to do with jealousy. Zhang Ziyi is one of my favorite movie stars too. Yet posting her photo as your personal picture might have violated the imageright/privacy right of Ms Zhang. As far as I remember the TC rules, this is also inappropriate.

So, be a man, don't hide behind a girl's back. lol

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