Who claims that wikipedia is a trustworthy site must be so far away from scientific research. For that person the most important thing that he/she has ever researched in his/her entire life must be the number of kids Angelina and Brad Pitt have adopted.

Meltem you are an intellectual snob, which is the worst kind.  Perhaps you may be interested to know that academics at Oxford University in England tested the reliability of Wikipedia last year and found it to be 98% accurate - which is actually more accurate than the Encyclopaedia Britannica (a rather more respected source).

Being a scientist does not automatically make you intellectually superior.

You appreciate all that Ataturk did and want all Turkey to feel the same way. People who agree with you even created a law to prevent people speaking otherwise.  However I have news for you .... he was not a god, he was human and fallible and, whilst you hate the idea, many people in Turkey do not share your high opinion of him.

You disbelieve somebody because they were not Turkish? You must disbelieve an awful lot in life then....

But these words do not look good on you because it´s like the words coming from "intellectuel, educated people" enemies, because they feel some kind inferiority complex towards them, because they know that they can never get there, and they choose to deface them, but I believe that you are not one of them and you are "just" using these people´s words now. Nice try to label me.

 Look handsom,

I´ll discuss here as a member who uses her freedom of speech, so listen to it like this.

I never associated Ataturk with religions, that´s why I got especially angry, so you agree with me. In your dear views then, what vineyards did was insulting, though I just asked him for the source so that we would know who claimed it.

 Look handsom,

I´ll discuss here as a member who uses her freedom of speech, so listen to it like this.

I never associated Ataturk with religions, that´s why I got especially angry, so you agree with me. In your dear views then, what vineyards did was insulting, though I just asked him for the source so that we would know who claimed it.

Indeed that claim has been made by Grace Ellison who we learn that is a british journalist. That claim belongs to her and just to her, though it is not like saying just her view, she claims that it is his exact words, though just one journalist, and she is british, at that time in 1920s british and ottomans had what kind of relations? , no record, nothing that would support this claim other than it is in her book. She has NO PROOF while we have so many reliable sources that are proof about what Ataturk said about religion.

But the important thing is not that. Ataturk might have whatever religion, he can be muslim, jew, atheist, or deist, that religion part does not interest anyone. Why Ataturk is so important to Turkish people is not because of his religion but because of what he has done for the republic of Turkey. Bringing here one person´s claim that has no proof serves to whom? Apart from seperating people about Ataturk, creating chaos. For freedom of speech ok, but here I am not trying to ban his right to say this, I am now discussing as a forum member here who has the freedom of speech.

Apart from my personal opiinon, as a mod here now, such a claim should have had a source under. Everyone should have known that it was GRACE ELLISON´S, a british journalist´s claim in her book.

According to my moderating believes, such a strong claim cannot stay without any source, so I deleted it the moment I saw it, though I did not delete it permanently, so that it could be undeleted, then I private messaged you asking for the source. Here is all the process.

About your last paragraph, I do not find it worth answering.

Keep thinking you love and defend Ataturk. By the look of the things it seems you are merely in love with his blue eyes.

Who claims that wikipedia is a trustworthy site must be so far away from scientific research. For that person the most important thing that he/she has ever researched in his/her entire life must be the number of kids Angelina and Brad Pitt have adopted.

Ok, this conversation shoud stop, it´s getting ridiculous. A quote has been provided, no more splitting hair PLEASE!

If Meltem needs additional sources, she can PM Vineyards, please, take this personal disagreement off of the forum!