Ethem Mahcupyan´s article..

http://www.taraf.com.tr/makale/3498.htm

I will translate some of it..

...Ama daha da önemlisi Hamas’in seçilmesi ile birlikte bütün bir halkin susuz birakilma noktasina kadar zorlanmis olmasi, yani radikal denen unsurlarin radikal kalmalari için her seyin yapilmasi. 

Bu devlet tavri bize hiç de yabanci degil... Bir toplumsal ve siyasal meseleyi terörle mücadele baglaminda tanimlamak, ardindan da karsinizdaki cepheyi terörist kalmasi için zorlamak bilinen bir taktik. Türkiye bunu neredeyse 25 yildir yapiyor. ..

Ancak asil ilginç olan bu tür örgütlerin karsisinda yer alan devletlerin de benzer bir zihniyete sahip olmalari. Aslinda bu devletler kendi toplumlarindan ürküyor, karsilarindaki düsmana kendini yeniden üretme imkâni tanimalari sayesinde bizzat kendi toplumlarindaki özgürlükçü açilimlari engelliyorlar. Her gerçek çözüm alternatifi, bu devletlerin besledigi tehdit algilamasinin koflugunu ortaya çikarma tehlikesi tasiyor. O nedenle de konusmayi, siyaseti ön plana çikaran çözüm alternatifleri ne yasama sansi taninmiyor. Bugün eger Türkiye’de bir PKK hâlâ varsa, bunun asil sorumlusu Türkiye Cumhuriyeti Devleti’dir... Ayni sekilde Hamas’i anlamli bir siyasi güç haline getiren, Filistinlilerin siyaseti siddet üzerinden aramalarini tesvik eden de Israil’in kendisi..

Simdi hepimiz Israil’i ahlaksiz buluyoruz.... ... Israil’i kinamak gerekiyor... Ama eger kendi devletinize bakarken gözleriniz kapaliysa, bu kinamanin fazla bir anlami olmuyor ve insanlar her ülkede ölmeye devam ediyor.

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But more importantly, Isreal forced the entire population up to a level such as leaving them without water..I mean, they have done evevrything to keep the radical elements as radical..

This country´s behaviour is not unfamiliar to us.. It is a well known tactic to define  a social and political problem as terrorism and then forcing your opponents to stay as terrorist. Turkey has been doing this for last 25 years...

But the interesting thing is the countries facing these terror organisations are having the same mentality. In fact these countries are afraid of their own people. By letting their enemy to reproduce themselves, they are blocking the democratic openings in their own countries... Every single real alternative is a danger to reveal how empty the danger defined by those states..That is the reason why the alternatives mentioning talking and political solution is not given a chance ..If, today, there is still a PKK in Turkey, the real blame is Turkish Republic..In the same way  Israel is sole responsible for Hamas by making them a political power and encouraging palestinians to  resort to violence..

Now we all find israel immoral....It it necessary to condemn Israel..But when you are looking at your own state with closed eyes,  the value of your condemnation is becoming meaningless and people keep dying in countries..

 Well Handsom, I think I have to remind you that it is some country´s foreign policy to divide and lead/ control.... That is exactly what America has done...  All they want is to divide us so that we can not improve... and stay dependant on them... Look at our country, we used to produce a big proportion of tea, tobacco, hazelnut, cereals, etc... what do we have now... did you know that we actually started importing some of these products.. First they did it with the Kurds (mind you, not any other ethnical group), then with the religion...

I do agree we are brainwashed to be nationalist, but we can not ignore the facts... Does Diyarbakir look the same as 20 years ago? Did the Kurds themselves did all the changes?  Come on, they needed to unite the people under some roof, otherwise they could have never established a country.. and that was not religion... now things are settling.. but you can not go and become a terrorist because you don´t have a tv channel in your native language..

Look at other countries, in Pakistan, there are many local languages, but one official language.. kids learn that language in the school, and they don´t kill each other because the TV is in the official language..

Please put your prejudice aside, what you have learnt aside, and then try to learn the other side of the story as well.

I grew up with a very nationalist family, both my grandparents, my brother, my uncle were / are army officers, but never heard anything against Kurds in my house.

How they are killing Israeli children is not clear to me after seeing 900 Palestinians dead, including 300 children, and 4000 injured while there are 13 Israelis killed, among which 10 were soldiers and 4 of them were killed in friendly fire by other israelis.

That´s a bit unfair, don´t you think?

In answer to the question asked in the start of this thread, in the ultimate analysys, it´s a mute point.........you will never kill all the terrorists. The only way to deal with this is to negeotiate.

Killing, particularly "collateral damage", only incites more and more and more...it´s a cycle that never ends.

I don´t think these people are ´terrorists´ in the sense of the word that people think -- like an inherently evil person whose only aim is destruction. These are people with a cause who have nothing else to use as a defense. I think the actual terrorist here is Israel. Their aim is destruction and domination.

Well, I agree Israel is the bully in this situation. I would not call them terrorists, although they are instilling terror. The definition of terrorist is very elastic.

I think Jenk , of The Young Turks, summed it up pretty well.

They are going against their own self interests. What is happening now is causing an increase in anti-semitism. Anti Israel sentiment is growing. In the ultimate analysys, one has to get along.

In no way to I condone suicide bombing, however, one has to question what drives anyone to take such actions. What trauma, what sense of hopelessness does one feel to take such actions? Taking such actions are counterproductive anyway as it justifies Israel´s actions against the very people the suicide bombers seek to help 

The most dangerous person is the one with nothing to loose.

Actually, Israel IS a terrorist state. Prof Avi Shlaim (an Iraqi Jew, who served in the Israeli military before 1967) describes Israel as a rogue state; he and may others, say that Israel fulfills all requirements to be one:

1. habitually violates international law

2. practices terrorism

3. posesses weapons of mass destruction

Shlaim: Israel is a rogue state

 if some one come to your house and kick you out of from your house what do you do shot your mouth and leave ?off course not you fight even you are not strong enough even they bite you up you never stop fighting because thats your home

 you fight what ever it takes even they start to call you terorist or something else thats your home  if you call them terorist what about canakkale ,sanliurfa,gaziantep,kahramanmaras we were terorist then ??maybe still europeans think we are terorist !!!!

there is nothing wrong fight for your country it doesnt make you a terorist that makes you a hero

i ask everybody to take it out that horse glasses and look at this picture in GAZZA

i hope one day GOD will open americans and europeans eyes and heart too

now we are all sleep in our house safe and secure just think how do you sleep if your house bombing and missiles are wispering around all night long there is nothing to eat and drink what would you do ?just think that

i am not that sorry about the people dead in GAZZA because they are all in haven right now

i am just sorry who is living in the GAZZA because there is no life in there

wake up humanbeen and shame yourself

Not a bit, that´s reprefensible and revolting. I am truly and deeply sorry for those who lost their lives, their family and friends.

I´m not saying that Israel is a peaceful country, I was just, apparently unsuccessfully, point out that both sides have blood on their hands. Of couse Israel´s caused more deaths among Palestinians than the other way around but is it possible to define how many of your people do you have to lose to make the fight fair and justified?

Check this link - sorry all it´s in Polish and see that Hamas does not throw cakes at Jews but uses ways like suicide bombers, car traps and tortures. Israel claims that they had to take action to do away with Hamas at once. I believe they chose the worst way ever. But if Turks find it justified to go after PKK to a different country then they should above all understand what drives Israel. Sure the situation differs and sure Israel uses amount of violence exceeding comprehension but we cannot forget there´s two sides and none is absolutely free of guilt.

 Am I really reading this... "The only way to deal with this is to negeotiate".  

Darling... if palestinians owned the newest military technology shipped right from the US, they wouldn´t have to use themselves (as suicide bombers). On top of that, they are defending themselves, does it make a difference?