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I said "proof".. not a tell-tale..

As far as I know there is not one..There are speculations/comments/opinions etc..

But NO PROOF..

These rumors were always with us.. Since the begining of our republic.. Even Seyh Sait rebellion was branded as ´with the help of British´ etc. But there was not any..Same thing was said for Dersim incident (in 1938) as well.. But there was not any.. People should be able to distinguish  the things said by the army generals and politicians for uplifting the nationalist sentiments!!

In the end,  we have had our Kurdish problem which its begining is dating with the begining of our republic (1920s) what is Israel got to with it? where is Israel fit into ´banning Kurdish language of 1980s, emptying thousands of villages etc´?

Apart from that, we are talking about 1/5 , 1/6th people of Turkey here.. I believe it is disrespecting our own Kurds, in generic terms, to think that ´they are so easily led by foreigners and betraying their own country´..

First of all the subject of this topic was not Kurds you again turned it to PKK etc. This is some kind of pen terror. 

Secondly what u ask really don´t matter because i do not respect you at all!

Third, A camp in France, A TV in Denmark and Israeli trainers are strong proofs for the ones who didn´t lose his conscience yet.

And last, i posted three long articles. How did you read those in that short time? Or you give answers before you read the arguments that the other side introduces? Than you must stop to be prejudiced.

Maybe you should also mention the reputation of Zaman, the paper in which one of your articles was published...

Yeah its one of the two best seller english newspapers. Do you want me to post articles in Turkish?

Ahhh ahh...You must stop to talk to him...

What we need is another democratic referandum here, all Turkish citizens should be called on to vote on one or the other of the following choices.

1. Give rebelling Kurds whatever part of Turkia they want, and wish them good luck.

2. Kick all rebelling Kurds into one of the smart European countries, and wish them all good luck.

Whatever majority decides......

I think first voting right is thehandsome´s. Aaa but sorry he is hidden again. Thehandsooooomeee. Stop hiding, log in and vote here...

Thehandsom, or should I call you Sherlock? How would an ordinary person have a proof of a classified government action? This is not a court and we are not in the process of issuing a verdict. Like everyone else, we are discussing matters without being able to access real information. We are just speculating based on results. I am not Napoleon and you are not Winston Churchill. Nothing is expected of this discussion. We just test opinions and try to find explanations to major political affairs. 

Ultimately, we are fighting against the factors that limit free thought and logical inference. These are nationalism, patriotic feelings, racial and cultural identity. Some members defend their nations just like they are supporting their national football teams. Some members have identity problems, they have a problem saying us. They just form the other pole just because the few bad books they read eons ago told them to deny their own culture and embrace another one which would eventually turn them into slaves.

What I know is that there was a migration or exodus of the Sephardie Jews.  The migration started in the late 19th century and peaked following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

Now to know if their grandfathers had a stopover in Ottoman land, I don´t have a clue, it was a little before my time. 

Canada took in nad still takes in, immigrants from many diffrent countries, cultural backrounds and faiths. People have been immigrating to Canada since late 1700´s hundrends early 1800´s hundrens.  So it is bound to have received MANY Jews of diffrent denomination over the years.

And I can tell you is that the Jewish community here in Montreal is very large and thriving.

I asked you proof!!

A simple word..´PROOF´

Your articles are ´suspicions´!! One of them says ´spotted´!! Israel´i agents are spotted!! And you bring it as a proof?? phew..

Kurdish TV incident, possibly that Kurdish TV was established when we banned Kurdish language.

And also you have to know a few things as the fact:

In EU countries, there is a relative freedom of speach as long as you dont take your arm and start shooting people. And Turkey has been notorious to put people in jail because what they believed. Tell me if I am wrong!! can any TURK say that it is a lie?
If you have ideas ..anything..seperation; leaving  etc..it does not matter in the EU... People are not put in jail when they say they are KURDS (just 15 years ago we said there are no kurds and saying I am a kurd was a reason to go to jail!!).

People are not put in jail when they say they are not against IRA.. That is not a crime to put people in jail in EU countries.. You can go and protest about anything in eu countries.. You can carry a poster of anybody in EU countries.. Some of our Kurdish citizens carry Apo´s posters ; they carry green/yellow/red flags (there are some in the uk as well -ANYBODY CAN SAY that they are pkk camps).. That is not a crime in the EU !!! It should not be a crime in anywhere in the world in principle!!
Any country that jails people for these type of things should be ashamed of it..

Of course, when people see those protests on their tv screens, the judgment is ready ´EU is supporting terrorists´..

NO.. As long as they dont take arms to impose their ideas ´ANY IDEA IS ALLOWED´ .

That is how it is supposed to be in Turkey and how it WILL BE  in Turkey in the future...

You are joking!! Right??

So you are saying that ´you believe in foreign involvements for our Kurdish Problem´ without any proof and saying that ´of course ´I wont see any proof because I am an ordinary citizen´.

This is a confession!!

I was right to say that it was all rumors ...

This is the same as being in 1938, living in Istanbul and believing ´foreign involvements in Dersim incident´ while thousands were killed in caves by gassing..

We, years later, have learnt the truth:  THERE WAS NOT...

Soldiers/politicians lied to keep nationalists sentiments up  so that masses will ignore what is going on there..

You believed the people who told you ´we dont have Kurds in Turkey..they are mountain Turks´. The same people, the very same people, told you these ´external elements´  tall stories.

Those people  LIED to you .. Tell me if I am wrong!! 

And about the identity..

YES.. You do have an identity problem!!

The culture/ideas/race/nationalism you  think you are trying to defend is nothing to do with Turkish/Anatolian culture..