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Marriage between two faiths
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 08:40 pm |
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"Gizli Yuz"
You dont understand my point. And after, hell...10 posts (I am too tired to even count!  ) you still don't understand!
Why I should have imagined that someone like you can listen to any other point of view, is beyond me.
Your only fault is being a Turk? I would not say that is a fault. I have many Turkish friends who do not share your arrogant, fundamentalist views. I think you should reconsider your statement..not only are you shaming all Turkish but you are underestimating the number of your faults!
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 08:47 pm |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz: "aenigma x",what are you talking about! for heaven's sake! this is getting more and more weird. We are talking about asli's story and mltm's response to it, and the culture of Istanbul. What you wrote is just irrelevant. I cant believe this, God why me!
catwoman, when I sent a pm to mltm, she said that she would contunie replying because she thought she had to present the true image of Turkish people, which i agreed. And I thought later that I had to defend my people and their culture. Seeing your posts, Mltm was right that we have to protect the true image of Turkish people here.
And no, I don't have to be the lawyer of her to agree with her. She just speaks a very fundamental thoughts of Turkish people, which is the main reason why I agree with her, and which is the truth.
the only fault I have here is being a Turk. |
Gizli, please stop using these empty euphemisms and get some substance for the conversation. You know, "god why me" is not a good reason as to why aenigma was for heaven's sake soooooooooo wrong!!! In your entire blog you gave NO (reasonable or not) explanation to your claim and instead you are just bashing aenigma and screaming that you're such a victim JUST BECAUSE you're Turkish!
I don't think anybody outside Turkey needs to talk to you or mltm to see the "real Turkey". I think it shows much more explicitly through your attitude, what you're arguing and how. Maybe you have noticed that no non-Turkish people here NEVER said that you hate their culture despite many people openly criticizing them. That is the difference between our cultures and how advanced we are as societies.
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 08:52 pm |
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I said I agree with Mltm that what Mltm wrote about Asli's story is true. And I stated all points Mltm made about asli's story. And if you remember, you just said "what the hell are you talking about" in the first place, the whole story began with it.
I proved that Mltm was right in this thread, -which is obvious by the way-. And you couldn't disprove it. Just sent a irrelavent post.
The only reason why I agree with Mltm here is because I live in Istanbul and I know the reality in Istanbul. This is what I meant by "the only fault being a Turk."
You have many Turkish friends who share WHAT? My only view here is that I strongly disagree with Asli. So you have Turkish friends who experienced the same thing as Asli did? What is it meant?
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 08:59 pm |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz: I proved that Mltm was right in this thread, -which is obvious by the way-. And you couldn't disprove it. Just sent a irrelavent post. |
Sorry, you didn't prove anything other then your own issues with nationalism and hearing criticism. I guess you expressed your opinions here more then once, is there a need for a jihad to convert aenigma to mltm'ism? You are not listening to what she (aenigma) has to say and therefore, please stop trying to convince us that you hold the golden key to the truth. It's really sad that you're making this big deal out of your turkishness just because all you heard was aenigma saying "what the hell".
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 09:02 pm |
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Please, let this be the last conversation we have THE POINT IS how can you both "agree" or "disagree" with a Asli's post? She was talking about something that happened. Fact. Why would she lie? If I said "yesterday I went swimming" - you could not argue with that statement!!!! Dont you see? Its a fact, so how can you disagree with it!
You posted Meltems comments and stated they were "true". Actually most of them were Meltem's OPINIONS! Everyone believes their opinions are right, but...true? How can opinions be true! The reason for my post was to show you how Meltems opinions change so frequently that its impossible to give them any credence.
Again you missed my point about my friends (I am getting used to it!). You mentioned that your "only fault" was being a Turk (great comment by the way) and I was (trying) to explain that you are talking to me as if I know nothing of Turkey or its culture and that I certainly do not consider it a fault. My Turkish friends don't "share" or have anything in common, other than that they talk honest and openly and we can have interesting discussions where we exchange our views, NOT the kind of narrow-minded paranoia that you spout!
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 09:08 pm |
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Sorry. I proved that she couldnt state what part of Mltm's posts are wrong regarding the Asli's issue.
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 09:12 pm |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz: Sorry. I proved that she couldnt state what part of Mltm's posts are wrong regarding the Asli's issue. |
You ARE so unbelievable! I NEVER said they were wrong I said they were "exaggerated and out of all proportion!" Which I think both YOU and MELTEM have proved! 
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 09:14 pm |
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Sorry. I proved that she couldnt state what part of Mltm's posts are "exaggerated and out of all proportion!" regarding the Asli's issue.
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 09:15 pm |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz: Sorry. I proved that she couldnt state what part of Mltm's posts are wrong regarding the Asli's issue. |
If you read the post immediately above the one I'm quoting, she explained clearly what her stand is regarding mltm's opinions.
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 09:16 pm |
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Quoting Gizli Yuz: Sorry. I proved that she couldnt state what part of Mltm's posts are "exaggerated and out of all proportion!" regarding the Asli's issue. |
You are like a child. Saying something again and again wont make it happen!
I tell you what Gizli, YOU can have the final word, because I won't argue like a school child with you
Have a great night 
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07 Jul 2007 Sat 09:16 pm |
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There's really something wrong going here.I started to doubt if I use bad english.
I understood your point aenigma very well, so do not torture yourself anymore about it, and give a little bit of that effort to understanding my point.
Your point is "I claim that Aslı lies"
No, I did not ever claim that she lied. I just said that she did not have the right to make a statement like "most of the girls in Turkey" and "even the educated and cultured ones in Istanbul". Everyone is free to tell their own stories, but no one has the right to make seem the well-educated, modern people of Turkey live with backward traditions and believes. If I were not a native, I would start to feel pity for every woman living in Turkey.
I'm not ok with this bull s...
And Aenigma, you think that there are contradictions in my posts, but in fact there's not, but ofcourse I am not going to give an hour for proving it.I'd say the same things.Yes,again, Istanbul is very mixed, and we can find every kind of people, but they are immigrants, and they bring their own traditions from other parts. When we say "Istanbul tradition" it's the native tradition of Istanbul which is formed in centuries.
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