If one of the above expressions interacting with negation is in an equivalent of an English subclause the verb of this subclause has to have negative marking:

[Ortalıkta hiç iz bırak|ma|yan] hırsız, yandaki evi de soymuş. ‘The burglar who didn’t leave any traces has also burgled the house next door.’

There is one exception to this rule:

When the subclause functions as a noun in the main clause the negative marking can be in the main clause predicate:

[Kimsenin bu kitabı okuduğu]-nu san|mı|yorum. ‘I don’t think anyone has read this book.’

What about these options? Would they be correct?

?[Kimsenin bu kitabı oku|ma|dığı]-nı sanıyorum.

?[Kimsenin bu kitabı oku|ma|dığı]-nı san|mı|yorum.

(I understand the meaning changes if we change the negation pattern, I am merely asking if the ? sentences are grammatical or not, i.e. if I have understood the rule.)

Questions with hiç or kimse are an exception to the exception: kimse in the subclause, affirmative main clause:

[Kimsenin kapıyı çaldığın]-ı duydun mu? ‘Did you hear anyone ring the door bell?’

ileri sür|ül|mek is passive voice, that´s why the logical object is risen to the position of subject > no accusative ending.

Teşekkürler, tunci. Yes, I have noticed this konu thing before.

You have made it terribly complicated for yourselves. Not typical to Turkish at all.

Actually it came to my mind that the same problem of partial objects concern also verbs with more concrete meaning. If we, for instance, want to make a difference between 1. ´I ate an apple (the whole of it)´ and 2. ´I ate some apple´ I would suggest

           1. Bir elma yedim

           2. Elma yedim

but I am not sure if I´ve got a clue at all. And what in this case would be the exact meaning of the definite object in

           3. Elmayı yedim

Would it be the whole apple or a part of it?

A nice series of sentences for every learner to study. Thanks, all of you.

Verbs like bilmek, söylemek, anlamak, düşünmek, okumak  -  which express becoming aware of something or sharing this awareness  -  usually take accusative object in Turkish.

               Bun|u gazetede okudum.

               Biz sorumluluğumuz|u biliyoruz.

But sometimes there is need to express that the whole knowledge was not transferred. I mean sentences like ´I read about it´, ´He told (something) about what happened´, ´I understand something about it´. How are they expressed in Turkish? Is postposition structure with hakkında the only way? What about using ablative instead of accusative in order to express partial object?

My Try:

He left. The love he had felt for me  -  he went and told it around to everyone. As for me, I continued to hide my love for him right here inside my heart. I neither shared it with anyone nor poured out the pain.

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Thank u Abla u r angel

(Enkeli en ole, mutta ajattelin, että suomalainen auttaa toista suomalaista maailmalla.)

My pleasure.

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Again it seems like the last sentence is cut in the middle.

Aha, the clitic -ki also takes the pronominal -n- before case ending.

gokuyum, sağ ol.

A pity. I worked so much on the vocabulary in the end I forgot all the accusative endings. I should have stood on my head ten more minutes more before giving them the last check.

Anyway. A couple of notes:

1. Akraba diller i değilse, birbirlerini etkilemediyse veya tesadüfen benzeşen sözleri yoksa tüm dillerin ‘house’ için ayrı sözleri vardır.

How come there is aorist tense in the main clause? I suggested -di-past because I thought it should express unreal situation.

2. İngilizce’de house biçimi kullanılırken Türkçe’de ev biçimi kullanılması İngilizce’yi house tipi ve Türkçe’yi ev tipi dili yapmıyor.

´make something into something´ > I tried dative, gokuyum said no.

See, I knew it.