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Thread: Cult of Virginity

3311.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 06:15 pm

Yes. Later Muhammed translated a sentence in which he showed that killing was allowed by his god:
"Mandatory to kill the one who has insulted the prophet [...]". HOWEVER this is not a sentence from the Quran and therefore shows what is said before, that the İslam is explained in very different ways, and an extreme one like this can lead to those like Muhammed who go astray.

The sentence comes from the book "As Sarim alMasloel 3la Satmie Arrasoel", written by Ahmad ibn Tajmijja (1263-1328).

Just note the dates that this man has lived..


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I havent finished the Quran myself, so I cant respond from that point of view, but it has become clear more than once that there are different intrepretations of the İslam, and that there are many powerful people who use this for the wrong purposes. Another muslim said during the trial that Muhammad Bouyeri probably visited the İmam Jneid Fawaz, who several weeks before the murder prayed for Allah to send Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Theo van Gogh horrible illnesses.



Thread: Cult of Virginity

3312.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 04:25 pm

I would like to just add a little bit of background information on Ayaan Hirsi Ali, for those who are interested. The past few years she has been in the news many times, in both positive and negative ways.

Ayaan Hirsi Magan was born in Somalie, but didnt spend much of her life there. Her family moved to Saoudi-Arabia, Ethiopia and Kenia.

At the age of 23, in 1992(and if İ am not mistaken whilst living in Kenia), there was a crisis in her homeland Somalia, different groups attacked each other in a civil war, half a million people died from hunger and 2 million people stayed as refugees in the surrounding countries. At that time, Holland opened its doors and nearly took all the refugees that came from this war. Ayaan Hirsi Magan used this opportunity and came to Holland. (there is some confusion around here as she was heading to Canada as well and stayed in Germany to handle some paperwork).

In any way, upon arrival in the Netherlands, she decided she wanted to stay there. When interrogated by the İmmigration and Naturalisation Organisation, she said to have fled from the immediate-crisis area. She avoided to say she had spend 12 years in Kenia and several days in Germany. She would have been sent back to Germany, because that is a safe country too. Kenia too, was considered to be a safe country in those days. To stop them from sending her back, she gave a wrong year of birth (2 years earlier) to sabotize the investigations. Also, she changed her name from Ayaan Hirsi Magan to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She would be known under this name till 2006. Her request for political asylum was accepted within a few weeks, with an A-status: a permanent permission of residence for persons who are not safe in their homeland.
She studied politics at university and then became a politician with strong anti-islamic ideas, first for PvdA and then VVD (a strange change of party, but according to her there was no space for her thoughts on the negative results of migration in the former party).

5 years after arrival she was 'naturalised' (I dont know the english word, but you get citizenship and nationality of the new country) as a person from the Netherlands. However, in 2006, a tv programme, her 'Netherland-ship' was questioned, since she lied about her identity when applying for it, nor could she remain a politician.

İt is heard that these things were known among many politicians who chose to keep their mouth shut. Also, all the things came in the news, supposedly after she had applied for the job in the United States.

Everything around her life as a refugee and a politician these days is rather controversial and she has confused a
many.
Her thoughts on the İslam and the holy prophet Muhammed, have provoced many İslamic citizens of Holland.
She was threatened by muslims several times and lived at secret and secured addresses for a while.


People abroad may have heard from her when Theo van Gogh was murdered brutally. Van Gogh was a Dutch film director with 'straight through sea' and rather rude ideas about the İslam, or actually muslims in general. Together with Ayaan Hirsi Ali he produced the film 'Submission', which showed the oppressed Muslim women. This film raised a lot of anger among muslims who said it was all too wrong and too extreme.

Van Gogh was murdered by a young man, who goes by the name of Mohammed Bouyeri, who said to have handled in the name of Allah, he saw himself as an instrument of Allah. Van Gogh was shot several times, his throat slit and the knife stabbed deeply inside the body. With a smaller knife, the murdered had pinned a letter upon his body, addressed to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, threatening her.

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Ohh well, this has nothing to do with the article itself, thought Id just explain the 'lies' that have been mentioned before and why she has become like that in the eyes of many dutch people.



Thread: Hi.....a little help pls

3313.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 04 Jul 2007 Wed 06:10 pm

Quoting MrX67:

''aradığınız kişiye şu an ulaşılamıyor,telefon kapalı veya kapsam dışı olabilir,lütfen daha sonra tekrar deneyin''




For my operator it is the same, except for 'telefon kapalı veya kapsam dışı olabilir'. 'My lady' () doesnt say that part!



Thread: (kıymalı) Kuru fasulye question

3314.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 04 Jul 2007 Wed 06:06 pm

How long does kuru fasulye need to cook till its ready/soft enough? Without a pressure-cooker?

I just made kıymalı kuru fasulye, and it has been boiling for over half an hour now and just wondered how long it takes before it is ready???

I did put the fasulye in water the night before and let it wait till I used it this evening.


Thanks in advance.



Thread: Grrrrrrr - What is bugging you today?!

3315.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 04 Jul 2007 Wed 12:24 pm

The flormar section is gone in Kipa and now I dont know where I can buy it else without loosing lots of time.



Thread: aenigma x

3316.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 03 Jul 2007 Tue 11:48 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

Meat_Maffel





Thread: Happy Birthday, Duda!

3317.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 03 Jul 2007 Tue 06:54 pm




Happy birthday Duda!


And Slavica, what a beautiful message you made!



Thread: COMPETITION

3318.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 02 Jul 2007 Mon 08:41 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

WE





Thread: turkish-english

3319.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 02 Jul 2007 Mon 08:39 pm

Quoting yop:

ayakta ölmek dizüstü yasamaktan iyidir



Its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.



Thread: Missing persons at tc...

3320.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 02 Jul 2007 Mon 01:53 am

Quoting leander:

BurhanAltintop.



lol

But Avrupa Yakası would be less fun without him.
Im sure you consider that as their main-difference though



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