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Thread: Cult of Virginity

1341.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Jul 2007 Sun 04:28 pm

Quoting aenigma x:


Armegon, as much as I would like to agree with you that the view that someone who criticises Islam should die is an extreme or ignorant one, I worry when I read reports like this. It seems that the UK is having to accept this as the "norm" these days and it's even considered "politically incorrect" to disagree with them. The message seems to be "come to the UK, do what you want, even threaten to murder us - we are so worried about upsetting you, we will not just ignore you, but defend you"!!!!!



Hello aenigma x

What do you want me to say? Ignorance is not just being educated, i said audience/people hire their minds to religous leaders, do not use their intellect, and religious leaders are using this politically and to gain power/status and because of this im against Islamic states based on sheria laws, you know 90% of sheria laws are based on hadiths and traditions and it differs from country to country for instance sheria in Egypt, sheria in Iran and sheria in Suud are different actually Islam promotes “secularism and democracy” by saying “There is no compulsion in religion”. Also i can show you many people/auience who even not read Kuran once more in their lifes in Islamic states and muslim countries. And I think knighthood of Salman Rushdie is also political and provocative when I look at from other side. Rushdie became a pawn in everyone’s political games. This issue is all political in my opinion…



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1342.       armegon
1872 posts
 15 Jul 2007 Sun 02:03 am

Quoting HomeSick:

@armegon:
I agree most of the things written here But I need to underline one thing, The beginning of Islam was during Prophet Abraham's time, He was the first.

And also again ironically, Quran tells about sects and hadits in many suras, rejects them, and warn people about them.



I agree with you Homesick, i know Abraham called "haneef" in Kuran, i did not say anything contraversial to your comments. Read my comments again...



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1343.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 07:47 pm

Dear Deli_Kizin

I agree most of your post. The quote you made is just seen as the words of Allah which lead extermists to this crooked system. It is nothing but lie about Allah, some so-called religious leaders always giving fatwa as they know better than Allah. People try to interpret Kuran through false beliefs/hadiths which totally contradicts with Kuran so it is seen there are many interpretations of Islam. It is not the fault of Islam but the fault of seyhs, cult/religious leaders. I think this is the biggest problem of today Islamic world, people who do not use their brain-intellect, hire their minds to their religious leaders and worship their leaders or prophet instead of God. Let me tell you an ironic reality of Salman Rushdie, you know there is also a fatwa given against Salman Rushdie, but the book he published “satanic verses” is not originated by Salman Rushdie(I think he named his book falsely, maybe satanic hadiths more suitable), it was taken from the stories of Tabari(923) and Ibn Sa’d(845) which seen big scholars in Islamic world(ironic huh?), it is also a tradition among christian missionaries and conservative christians to vilify the Islam through centuries and the phrase “satanic verses” firstly used by English missionary belligerent Sir William Muir(surprisingly he was also a sir ). So Salman Rushdie is maybe the last person to be blamed , muslims(especially extremists) should look at themselves firstly, how did they create this crooked system?.



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1344.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 05:52 pm

Quoting aenigma x:

Thank you so much for clarifying that Armegon



No problem Aenigma x...
Have a nice day



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1345.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 05:42 pm

Dear Aenigma x

Yes you are right, Islam does not support violence but some extremist groups deceive illiterate people to take advantage of them using religion, to brainwash them mostly political reasons or any goal to reach for them.

For example Muhammed B. who killed Theo van Gogh was a very frusturated young man searching for identity then he found himself in some extremist group, group brainwashed him as Theo van Gogh attacked Morrocans in Holland and kept offending them. Then he fooled himself by believeing he did it in the name of Allah. When one study him, it can be seen that he was seeking for an identitty. In Islam killing is strictly forbidden till believers are killed thus it is self self-defence. You cannot find any verses in Kuran that says kill or fight anyone who did nothing to you.



Thread: getting married in turkey

1346.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 03:09 pm

Quoting yilgun-7:


A woman was created from a man's rib


Dear yilgun-7
i saw that you wrote this in many threads here .im writing this assuming you are muslim, Kuran does not support this belief, are you reading Torah?



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1347.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 03:03 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Armegon, I'm sorry about the confusion. The story I posted is a real story the author has seen and I used it as an example of what the cult of virginity leads to in real life, in extreme conditions.



Dear catwoman, as i said before this woman is a liar so i am not sure about the reality of the story. But yes you are right on something it can be seen as an extreme example of cult of virginity...



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1348.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 02:12 am

Quoting aenigma x:



I didn't know the background to the author, so thanks Armegon. Perhaps then, what non-muslims here will read as an example of EXTREME behavour in a culture, muslims may be offended or believe we think this is normal to Islam.

I can only speak for myself when I say that I DON'T think its normal behaviour within muslim culture, but I can see how you might feel that way. I can give you many examples of extreme abuse within all cultures (including my own) so I don't think anyone is relating this as anti-muslim. Its just another sad story of abuse..



Thanks for your understanding
i just want to mention that this woman is not reliable, i agree with you in others



Thread: Cult of Virginity

1349.       armegon
1872 posts
 14 Jul 2007 Sat 01:56 am

Quoting aenigma x:

I dont think this is about religion, its about the culture which demands virginity of women before marriage AT ANY COST!

As far as I understand it, both MEN and WOMEN should be virgins before marriage in Islam, and this thread does not criticise that fact.


I agree...

But Ayaan Hirsi Ali told so many lies in Holland then she fled to America. My dutch friends said nobody took her serious anymore.

She tried to represent Somali Islam as being the same as mainstream Islam. She was invited many times to conferences with Muslims in Holland but denied. She doesn't want to solve things, she wants to provoke and let people think she is a 'victim' of Islam.

She just wants to attack, also she is very hypocrite, as she rejects religions, but she works for the Christian thinktank of the American Government.

So i think it is not approprite to quote a book of person who tries to spread hatred here.



Thread: eng - turk lutfen.....

1350.       armegon
1872 posts
 12 Jul 2007 Thu 09:22 pm

Quoting dagdelen:

never give up on me, because i will never give up on you. I will do whatever it takes to have you in my life forever.

thanks in advance..



Asla benden vazgeçme, çünkü ben senden vazgeçmeyeceğim. Sonsuza dek hayatımda olman için ne gerekiyorsa yapacağım.



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