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Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:12 pm

Quoting libralady:

Quoting kaddersokak:

our economy is not good, our democracy is not good but we do not care because we have a powerfull army and we can kill our enemies.

This is a powerful statement and I have read on another thread that someone stated that Turkey has lots of enemies. What is it about your enemies? Who are they? As far as I am aware Turkey has many allies. It concerns me that you are saying because you have a powerful army you do not care about democracy. A powerful army is not the answer to democracy, as has been stated in another related thread.

Thats not a powerful statement, that is the fault of politicians after the time of Kemal Ataturk...Our economy cannot be good, but people want honour not money u cannot understand this. In Turkiye Turks are being abased. Also our democracy is fine. Our enemies are imperialist countries who try to divide Turkiye's unity like in independence war...I want both democracy and powerful army maybe u undersyood wrong?

Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 10:00 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

As i mentioned before this is army's duty which party attempts to change or attack the first 4 laws of Constitution, they will always do their duty, thats simple...

Thats not Democratic..thats simple too.

Ok what if people,want to change any of the 4 laws of Constitution,which i dont know what are they exactly.

But if people choose to change them,Turkish poeple ,will the army attack them too because its his duty ?

Army duty to defend people and the country,not to defend laws.

Thats democratic for Turkiye, thats simple for too too...If people choose to change of the 4 laws, then we will see what happen...You do not know anything about Turkish people...We see many democratic country in the world how their democracy is...

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:53 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

Hahaha you dont know Turkish history, do u know what happened in independence war?

Not really,do you care to tell me what happened ?

Please check other leaders what they said about Ataturk. Here we are talking about Kemal Ataturk the great leader of Turkiye so if u love Turkiye and talk about Turkiye, you should know something about Kemal Ataturk and respect him and his country...i cannot tell u longly about turkish history, u can find lots of documents on net, if u have some problems to understand then u can ask me why a pm or mail...

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:47 pm

Quoting kaddersokak:

We still see Ataturk the only real turkish hero. he has blond hair and blue eyes. This is taught us in schools. all the foreign countries are our enemies. this is taught us in schools too. Ataturk passed away in 1938 but we visit his mosaleum and talk to him as if he is alive. Ataturk said the only real friends of Turks are Turks (not Americans, Europeans, or Arabs). Ataturk lived between 1881 and 1938. has anything changed in the world since 1938?

our economy is not good, our democracy is not good but we do not care because we have a powerfull army and we can kill our enemies.

So you stayed at primary school and do not need to search and learn the revolutions of AtatÃ¼rk, you can only describe phisically...So many things changed till 1938 but enemies of Turkiye still remain, there are always lessons to take from history... why are we learning history?Is history a story u listen when you are sleeping?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:25 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

If there is not a leader like Kemal Ataturk then there is not a country called Turkish Republic today...

armegon, you shouldn't really say that

TÃ¼rkiye was there and is there and will be there by her sons
TÃ¼rkiye was a very strong country,it was an Empire,and that was before Kemal Ataturk.

İt was greater than USA these days,and was standing face to face to the Roman Empire,and the whole West.

And that was by its men .

So TÃ¼rkiye is rich by her men,you really shouldnt say that.

One man no matter how great he was wont make TÃ¼rkiye.

TÃ¼rkiye already great,and that what make EU afraid of her

Hahaha you dont know Turkish history, do u know what happened in independence war?

Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:19 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

Army has a oath to Kemal Ataturk QUOTE]
Army oath should be to the country,and to people, not to a leadership no matter how great he was !

Army has oath to both CANLI, are u satisfied?

Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:18 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

In Turkiye it is necessary because there are always some people who try to deceive people with religion and then TÃ¼rkiye will become a İslamic republic like Iran...

And Turkish people dont know their own interest and they let people lead them ??!!!!!!!

Ohhhhhhhhh Comeeeeee onnnnnnn, do you really believe that ?!!!!

İm not Turkish,but i do NOT believe it,Turkish people are very much smarter than that.

People and Turkish Army believe in that so they warned the government...Do you think these people are not smart or dont know anything?

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:13 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

turkish people are not ungrateful...OK?

Ungratful ?!!!

İts your LİFE !

Ok,i gave up ,world is a lovely place to live in

If there is not a leader like Kemal Ataturk then there is not a country called Turkish Republic today...

Thread: Turkey cannot turn its back on democracy

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:11 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

Army is also under civilian control in Turkiye until they attempt to change the unchangable laws...Turkiye is a secular democratic republic...

İ accept if that is your opinion and your choice,but at least dont fool yourself and call it democratic.

Democratic nation is ALWAYS under civilian control,and army duty is protect her from outsider threats.

Even the insider is the police duty not the army.

So dont tell me its democratic.

there is nothing undemocratic issue here...U can not think Turkiye as your country or any other country else in the world...Turkiye's situation is very different, Turkiye is in a very important region and has lots of enemies so always should has a powerfull army...

Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

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armegon
1872 posts

29 Apr 2007 Sun 09:05 pm

Quoting azade:

Democracy means rule of the people, by the people and for the people. Only the majority rule and chose the representatives they believe will lead their country in the direction they (the people) wish.
The army may be defending secularism at all cost, but it is not necessarily democratic.

In Turkiye it is necessary because there are always some people who try to deceive people with religion and then TÃ¼rkiye will become a İslamic republic like Iran, Army has a oath to Kemal Ataturk to block this situation, do not think Turkiye like other European countries, Turkiye is in a very important region...

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