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Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1581.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:47 pm

Quoting Lapinkulta:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting Trudy:

What I understood from Todays Zaman story's and newspapers here is that Mr. Gül's party has enough members in parliament (350 of 550?) to change the Constitutional Law. Is that what people are afraid of?

And again, I'm not trying to get a political debate, I just want information. Maybe I see things wrongly, maybe my sources are biased? And who can inform me better than Turkish people themselves?



Already the newspaper you had your news is also not a good and objective one i think. They can change Constitutional laws but not the first 4 but some attacks are made to these 4 law so people feel uncomfortable and protest,so millions of people had meeting today, people do not trust them in other words in all subjects but they continue to stay stubborn and continue to tense the people and public, people want compromise and election.



I think zaman is one of the objective newspaper in Turkey.Nobody can change constitutional laws of Turkey which were done by Ataturk...AKP is on the right way but others are against to democrasy cos these goverment were chosen by public and have to show respect.so next election is already soon,and I think AKp will get more again...it is coz of todays protesters.






Really? Yeah Zaman is the voice of AKP very objective... U think like that, remember the look of AKP to democracy, they say "Democracy is not aim, is only a vehicle"...How democratic we see...When u see only one party selected president of Republic in Republic history? We will see when the elections came, we know who is who...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1582.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:40 pm

Quoting azade:

Ok thank you, do you have a link? I have searched for the article but there are like a zillion hits for it and several newspapers named something with "Times"



Not at the moment, but if u search the archives of Posta maybe u can find, today it was in peoples hand at the meeting today as a fotocopy of newspaper headline...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1583.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:31 pm

Quoting azade:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting azade:

From what I understand, Gül has a good reputation outside Turkey (they don't portray him as religious). Even though I know he is, he doesn't come off as religious in the things he say. So why are people against him running for president?



Yes, we know all european countries and usa love these government...What a surprise, huh? Please learn his declarations against secular Republic first...



Europe is pounding on Turkey to be kept as secular as possible. If you could tell me about how Gül should be religious to the extent that he threathens secularism in Turkey I would appreciate it, because he has never come off as extreme in his beliefs to me.



i will give one example, i think that will be enough but if u want to learn more, search by yourself , u can find many declarations like this in 90's
"Secular Republic has come to an end" in Times in 1995 and also became a headline on newspaper Posta...



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1584.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:17 pm

Besides in Turkiye president of Republic always selected by compromising till today, only one party insist to select others leave the TBMM...



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1585.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:08 pm

Quoting azade:

From what I understand, Gül has a good reputation outside Turkey (they don't portray him as religious). Even though I know he is, he doesn't come off as religious in the things he say. So why are people against him running for president?



Yes, we know all european countries and usa love these government...What a surprise, huh? Please learn his declarations against secular Republic first...



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1586.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:02 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting armegon:

Quoting CANLI:

Ohhh,i see it has been asked in another way,and hasn't been answered !

Well, is it Democratic then ?

Shouldn't army be only observer of what people want,not to take part to any side ?!



Yes it is, Turkish Army’s duty is to protect the first 4 unchangeable laws of constitution of Turkish Republic and this duty is given army by laws. If some attacks and worries to these 4 laws is taken place just as today, they absolutely do their duty, these 4 laws are the basis of Republic and today millions of people had meeting against these attacks in Çağlayan/İstanbul.



Excuse me,but i dont understand.

Army's duty is to protect the country againist its enemies

İs it army's duty to stand againist the governmet which has been chosen by people ?

Doesn't that mean the army is standing againist people ?

Then what,or who does the army protect ?!!!



Excuse me, in Turkey it has also additional duties...Besides these government took %30 vote but represented %70 in TBMM because of false election ssytem.



Thread: çağlayan meeting!!!

1587.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 06:58 pm

Quoting Trudy:

What I understood from Todays Zaman story's and newspapers here is that Mr. Gül's party has enough members in parliament (350 of 550?) to change the Constitutional Law. Is that what people are afraid of?

And again, I'm not trying to get a political debate, I just want information. Maybe I see things wrongly, maybe my sources are biased? And who can inform me better than Turkish people themselves?



Already the newspaper you had your news is also not a good and objective one i think. They can change Constitutional laws but not the first 4 but some attacks are made to these 4 law so people feel uncomfortable and protest,so millions of people had meeting today, people do not trust them in other words in all subjects but they continue to stay stubborn and continue to tense the people and public, people want compromise and election.



Thread: I'm not sure if I may ask this...

1588.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 06:47 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Ohhh,i see it has been asked in another way,and hasn't been answered !

Well, is it Democratic then ?

Shouldn't army be only observer of what people want,not to take part to any side ?!



Yes it is, Turkish Army’s duty is to protect the first 4 unchangeable laws of constitution of Turkish Republic and this duty is given army by laws. If some attacks and worries to these 4 laws is taken place just as today, they absolutely do their duty, these 4 laws are the basis of Republic and today millions of people had meeting against these attacks in Çağlayan/İstanbul.



Thread: Tunceli

1589.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 06:09 pm

Quoting ruthless87:

he told me to get lost because i somehow without using the word Ataturk said something bad at Ataturk. I didn't joke and there were no uprisings in 1938. it was earlier i think.



Then who was the president of Republic of Türkiye in 1938?Answer this... What were those then if it was not a rebellion? Who killed and exiled that people?Where did these events take place? Answer...
i do not say u made a joke, i said 'are you a joke?', read well first...



Thread: Engl-turk tran slat plsssss....

1590.       armegon
1872 posts
 29 Apr 2007 Sun 05:55 pm

Quoting patziko:

Can anyone help with this translation pls?
Baby, when you feel that you can't take it anymore just think how much I love you

When you have doubts and you think your life isn't going anywhere and all you are doing has no meaning,let your heart call my name, you know my heart will answer you back

When you feel lonely, empty, angry or sad just think about those eyes you love so much and how your smile can make them shine

When we fight, it isn't because we don't understand each other but because we need to become one thing only..breath, heart, soul, mind, body.
Baby, remember you belong to me and I belong to you.

Like this will be forever my darling, my husband, my life, my only one, my everything. I adore you and I am dying without you. Come to me as soon as you can sweetheart.


Thanks very much for the translation xxx


Bebek,artık onu alamayacağını hissediyorsan, sadece seni ne kadar sevdiğimi düşÃ¼n.
Tereddütlerin varsa(olduğunda) ve hayatının herhangi bir yere gitmediğini düşÃ¼nüyorsan(düşÃ¼ndüğünde) ve her yaptığın anlamsızsa, bırak kalbin benim ismimi çağırsın, biliyorsun kalbim sana cevap verecektir.
Kendini yalnız, boş, kızgın veya üzgün hissettiğinde, seni çok seven o gözleri düşÃ¼n ve senin gülümseyişinin onları nasıl ışıldattığını.
Kavga ettiğimiz zaman, bu birbirimizi anlayamamamızdan değil fakat tek bir şey (birlik) olamamız gerektiğindendir...nefes, kalb, ruh,akıl ve vücut olarak.
Bebek, hatırla sen bana aitsin ve ben de sana.
Bu böyle sonsuza kadar olacak(sürecek) sevgilim, kocam, hayatım, bir tanem, her şeyim. Sana tapıyorum(çok seviyorum) ve sensiz ölüyorum. Yapabileceğin en yakın zamanda bana gel canım(sevgilim).



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