The old Nigerian royal scam is on TC, but it is from the Ivory Coast this time, here´s what I got in my pm box:
Greetings beloved one,
I am writing this letter in confidence believing that if it is the wish of God for you to help me, God almighty will bless and reward you abundantly and you would never regret.
I am 22yrs old. A student from Republic of Cote d’Ivoire Abidjan. I’ do like any person who can be caring, loving and home oriented. I will love to have a long-term relationship with you and as your and to know more about you. I would like to build up a solid foundation with you in time coming if you can be able to help me in this transaction. Well, my father died earlier some months ago and left me as the only daughter behind. He was a royal highness my community town citizen titled him over 16 years before his death, and also economic operator, director (manager) company (society) late Chief Michel Assemien Kassi.
I was a princess to him and I am the only person who can take care of his wealth and my mother is not literate enough to know my entire father´s wealth. He left the sum of USD 5.650, 000.00 dollars (Five Million, six Hundred and Fifty Thousand US Dollars) in a financial Bank here. This money was annually paid into my late father’s account from Shell petroleum development company(SPDC) and chevron oil company operating in our locality for the compensation of youth and community development in our jurisdiction.
I don´t know how and what I will do to invest this money somewhere in abroad, so that my father´s kindred will not take over what belongs to as the only daughter, which they were planning to do without my present because I am a female as stated by our culture in the town. Now, I urgently need your humble assistance to transfer this money from the Bank here in my country to your country and I strongly believe that by the grace of God, And after the transfer you will help me invest this money wisely over there.
I am ready to offer 15% of the total amount to you if you help me in this transaction and another 10% interest of Annual after Income to you, for handling this transaction for us, which you will strongly have absolute control over. If you can handle this project sincerely and also willing to assist me in lifting this money, kindly reach me. Please, note that this transaction is 100% risk free and I hope to commence the transaction as quick as possible, I will send you my picture and also give you more details about this transaction as soon as I hear from you.
Please reply me through my private mailbox below: ( princess_m.sameera@bullsh*t.com )
Yours sincerely, Miss Sameera Michel Assemien Kassi (Princess) ( princess_m.sameera@bullsh*t.com )
I read his "Istanbul" book first and enjoyed it. I didn´t read another until recently, when I read "The Black Book". I enjoyed this one too, although it was peculiar in some ways and my simple mind was disappointed with the ending lol.
I tried to read "Museum of Innocence" but had to give it up because I wasn´t enjoying the subject matter, although I can appreciate Pamuk´s skill in developing his characters.
His work that I´ve enjoyed the most is "Snow". I waited for over a month for "My Name is Red" to become available from the library but, after reading about 100 pages, I´ve had to give up on it. I will return to it later though. It´s a busy time of year at work and, as I was reading, I found myself wondering what I had just read on the page because my mind drifted to work matters. I´ll give it another try when I´m on holiday. So, the fault there is mine, not Pamuk´s.
Reminds me of The Golden Notebook by Doris Lessing - I can say that is the most tedious boring book I have ever "tried" to read in my life!! It would not be on my recommended list!! Doubt if I will ever return to it
A campaign group is urging members of the Muslim community to lobby the BBC over a comment made on the channel.
The remark was made on the ´Have I got News For You´ show last Friday when host Sharon Horgan said: ‘The Independent described the Dostoevsky metro station… as the Mecca for suicides. Not to be confused with the Mecca of suicide bombers – which is Mecca.’ Campaign group The Muslim Public Affairs Committee said: “This offhand comment does nothing except reinforce the message that Islam has something within its fundamental beliefs that makes it a threat to civil society Allowing this comment to go unchecked justifies the statement and condones such demonisation, as the comment implicitly implies that all Muslims are terrorists and all terrorists are Muslims.’ The group is urging readers of it’s website to complain to the BBC over the remark.
However, Sharon Horgan has apologised for any offence caused and said she was not prejudice in any way.
She tweeted, “I am anti any prejudice of any kind. And particularly the generally lazy media portrayal of Muslims or any blanket negativity towards Islam.
“ I am Irish for God’s sake. I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s Ireland and therefore am all too aware of stereotyping by the general public and media.
But HIGNFY 9Have I got News For you) is a political SATIRE show. POLITICAL SATIRE. Its job is to hold a mirror up to most media prejudice. It deals in irony and in that sense it does the OPPOSITE of what it’s actually saying.
“Any of the comments on here, which are suggesting I am racist or in any way anti-Muslim are a load of nonsense. HIGNFY, like all good satire plays on prejudices and that’s exactly what we were doing with this joke. Really hope that people understand this and stop threatening me.
“But if anyone misunderstood the intention of the joke - for it was a joke - then I apologise for any offence caused.”
How ridiculous! I watched the programme and yes, it is tongue in the cheek satirical and political comedy and I never even noticed the comment. People are getting far to touchy these days!
I am right-handed but I use only my left foot while kicking or playing football. Does it count ?
Of course Armegon, I use both hands all day - that must count! As for chess, it is tedious, time consuming, boring and I would much rather use that time going for a run or doing some other vigerous exercise as I firmly believe an exercised body exercises the mind too! or simply eat more salmon, so long as it is sustainably sourced
The Daily Mail or Daily Wail as it is sometimes called is well known in the UK and has a large circulation of loyal readers who believe everything they read in its columns. Whatever the truth is in this sad event The Mail would never let it spoil a good story.
Very true! The Mail loves to excite its right wing, nationalistic followers with its "misleading truths".
Real estate on Greek islands to be available to Turkish buyers
ISTANBUL - Daily News with wires
Greece has revoked a restriction on the sale of border-area real estate to non-EU nationals, effectively making it possible for Turkish citizens to buy property on Greek islands.
Local delegations will be formed to authorize the sale of real estate near the country´s national borders, daily Hürriyet reported on its website.
Greek real estate laws define all Aegean islands across from the Turkish coastline as "border area." These islands include the Dodecanese Islands, Lesbos, Samos, Chios and Crete.
Real estate on these islands and in the Greek city of Thessaloniki will be available for purchase to Turkish citizens, as well other non-EU nationals.
IMF and the European Union had made it mandatory for Greece to quickly sell real estate and complete the privatization of government-owned enterprises in exchange for providing an additional 60 billion euros in credit to the crisis-hit country.
Note : hmmmm...Good news ,,,or not..
Greece is hard up for cash so they got to get it from somewhere...... so long as they keep out of the hands of the corrupt government.
How dare you say you know my type! You are a very ignorant person, it´s fine for you to sit there and judge. My mother´s depression is none of your business and she has tried counselling so don´t sit there telling me all about my life.
Nobody can ever understand anyone elses situation no matter how they listen. And yes his family contacted me, he asked them to, then he spoke. I may well be stupid, shameful, or whatever you want to call me, but you are indeed a very nasty person to say such things about my situation which you don´t even know.
I asked for a translation, not criticism of who I am, or at least who you think I am.
I have sent you a PM with regard to some of the above comments.
This is a Goldwing! There are clubs for these people who ride these bikes and the Turkish and Greeks meet up in Thassos every year and show off their big machines
I am back from my holiday in Thassos ( I am sure it went unnoticed) ........... but I did notice the 20+ Turkish registered Goldwings parked outside a hotel in Golden Beach (Sorry it was not Turkey this year )
But is that not true of the majority of Muslims? From the BBC news, if it is correct say that he was mostly detested in the Muslim community as he did not represent the majority of views. Plus he did not distinguish the religious beliefs of those that lay his path of distruction.
We camped there two years ago at the Kaya Kamping site with wonderful views across grape vines and fruit orchards and close to walks and the lemon houses. We had a balloon ride too and that day I counted 31 balloons. It was truely magnificent and I would love to do it again.
Hi I´ve been following the news recently about Turkish Citizens being granted Visa free Travel to Europe in return of Turkey signing a readmission agreement in which Turkey will be expcected to hold illegal immigrants in immigration centres before they are sent back to their native countries. I am in favour of Turkish citizens being given the right to travel freely across Europe as I believe its a human right to have freedom. What are your views on this? Realisticly do you think visa free travel will happen for Turks???
Only if we (English) can come to Turkey visa free!! Plenty of countries have visa policies, so not really a problem in my view and nothing to do with our human rights for the freedom to travel either. You have freedom to travel so long as you can get a visa. Perhaps when and if Turkey becomes an EU country things might change a little.
There are some nice Tulip pics from Istanbul on TrekEarth website.
Close to where I live, there is a Tulip Parade where floats (made from tractors, lorries etc) dressed with Tulips in various designs that parade through the town of Spalding, UK. The tulips where in flower very early this year because of our warm dry weather in the UK.
Barba_Mama - It is so sad that it lead to the end of your relationship. I am afreiad that it will also be the end of mine and it makes me so sad when I know it could be saved just by getting the necessary help.
Gokuyum I have printed off that article and underlined the parts that I think are most relevant. Thank you for that and I think it is great that you insisted on getting the hel pyou needed!
My best friends daughter has bipolar and it developed when she was only 13/14 (during pubity). She lost the use of her legs and "was out of this world" most of the time. doctors struggled to diagnose her too. When it was finally diagnosed after she had lost a year at school, she was given medication. But even on medication she has lapses. It is so very sad as many people dont understand type of illness is often joked about too. If she did not medicate she would commit suicide, such a beautiful girl ravage by such a terrible illness. It is heartbreaking for her parents too. But on saying all this, she managed to go to university and is now a teacher.
Yes it is very quiet and all I am going to say is "Power to the people"!
Reforming a country is always (in my view and historically) down to the people who live there. But in Egypt some want an Islamic state others want a secular state, not sure waht the balance is.
I hope our friends (Canli and Doudi) in Egypt are safe and well.
I find it strange that MARRIAGE of underage girls is an issue in Europe, and everyone is up in arms about it, but SEX of underage girls is not.
This August, A German teenage magazine catering to 10 - 13 year olds put mini- condoms into their supplement, saying that according to their survey, BOTH BOYS AND GIRLS in this age group already have sex, and it is difficult for the boys to protect themselves, because they normal condoms are too big.
By the time they are 15 more than half of all teenage girls in the UK will have had sex. So i do not understand why Westerners, including westernised Turks are getting so up in arms about this issue.
It seems the real problem, as usual is that anything ´free´ is all right, because liberal, western, and modern, and anything that tries to protect the moral fabric of society is wrong, because you MIGHT find an occasional problem with abuse.
And finally, abuse of women is definitely NOT a backwards Islamic, or even Kurdish problem. Ask the Russian girls in UK brothels how much they are consenting to sex. So much Hypocrisy and Smugness in the West.
Underage sex with some of your own or similar age is not quite the same as some sleezy old man marrying a girl of 12 or so then subjecting her to various sexual activity against her will.
I do not need to do research alameda, I live it every day. I work in a male dominated industry. I do the same work a man does, I wear a suit, I deal with critical situation. When the day is over I enjoy a good glass of wine. When I get home I remove my vest cook the evening meal, set the table and when it is done I clean the table, then there is the laundry and the house cleaning and the kids. Now, my suits do not make me look like a man, on the contrary I am feminan if I do say so. Now why should I be payed half the salary that a man is payed for the same work? Just because I do not have an appendage hanging between my legs and that I do not have testosterone pouring out of me?
Should I be religated to the kitchen, barefoot and pregant and with no education and that from the age of 12? Should I wear dresses and laces and cover my hair and act demure? A woman can be feminine even if she wears a suit and make executive decisions like a man. The only diffrence is that we can have children oh and I wear lace under my suits.
A 12 year old girl´s body is not yet ready to have babies since they are children themselves. Women are not breeding machines, we are not on this earth to please a man and give him offsprings. Women are intitle to an education, to a childhood to make her own decisions concerning who she marries and who she is wants to spend the rest of her life with and have children with, if she wants to have children.
So I ask, why should anyone have the power to decide the faith of a young girl and marrie her off into servitude?
This is one of the most sensible comments on this thread in my view, the first two paras represents many women´s lives in the Western World and some of the Asian world too (based on my experiences).
A lethal torrent of toxic red sludge from a metal refinery engulfed towns in Hungary, burning villagers through their clothes and threatening an ecological disaster Tuesday as it swept toward the Danube River.
The flood of caustic red mud triggered a state of emergency declaration by Hungarian officials. At least four people were killed, six were missing and 120 injured, many with burns.
Typical of those who have little regard about their inhabitants or their environment, and now suddenly they will have too............ this make me seeth with anger
So who will pay the clean up costs now it has reached the Danube and is Turkey sitting up and listening as it could end up in the Black Sea?
It is unbelievable that a person from a local council, who might know you in person, has the right to read your private correspondence! I´ve never heard of something like that. It´s a whole way different from a computerised system looking for "key words." And it definitely has a potential to result in abuse
Don´t matter whether it is a council or not, I know that any one of my emails or communicator calls is recorded in our IS "dark room" and can be retrieved and held against you at any time..... Equality Act 2010 or not
Oh and not to mention all the "security" cameras watching your every move!
I get very angry when people say "well it won´t happen in my lifetime, so why bother? But I am concerned for my children and the grandchildren I don´t yet have. My job involves environmental, corporate responsibility, sustainability and I have been a keen environmentalist for many years and these are the things that I do personally to reduce my contribution to anthropogenic global warming.
Don´t use plastic bags ever
Never buy bottled water
Recycle anything that can be recycled
Compost all vegitables peelings
Don´t buy what we can´t eat in a week
Don´t take any notice of sell by dates or use by dates (we survived without them before they existed)
Cycle when I can instead of using the car
Turn down the heating
Turn off all electrical equipiment not being used - no standby as this uses 25% of the energy the equipoment uses when it is on and HEY YOU PAY FOR THAT!
I wash most of our clothes at 30 deg
At work I am now looking into Voltage Optimisation and various other energy saving technology, also reducing business mileage
I manage the Green Team - eliminate, reduce, reuse, recycle
I was reading on a website how you could win £3000 in cash and this man commented how he could buy 3000 penny sweets If you haven´t worked out why it´s so funny, then do the maths. 3000 penny sweets = £300 not £3000. He would actually get 30,000 penny sweets.
I couldn´t help but laugh at his simple comical stupidity
Must have been a RC priest (all those sweets)!!!! Oooops that´s not nice Libralady
I think it´s ridiculous! Like libralady said, too many people are stiffs! It´s all a bunch of criticism too. People would laugh if it the joked wasn´t aimed at them in any way but as soon as it is, they complain, take it seriously etc.
But in the end of the day it is all only for a laugh. Whether it´s blonde haired jokes, people with short sited vision (should have gone to specsavers ads), the mohammed comics, english, irish and scotsman jokes etc they are all their to laugh at. Nothing more. It´s just a way to create humor, and we could always do with more of it in the world in my opinon.
Another thing is Jeff Dunham´s stand up Achmed the dead Terrorist. It´s not meant to bring any offence, just humor and I know my self all types of people to accept all types of jokes.
You forgot the ginger jokes (thank goodness I have auburn hair)
As far as everybody knows about the rules of tc : "If people are deleted because of a rule violation, they are given one chance to come back. If they are deleted a second time because of rule violations, then they are automatically deleted if they return, no questions asked."
We will see how this proceed..
I dont think it matters if user A is deleted for a reason.. (may be it was a mistake??) User A is deleted secod time.. (another mistake? who knows. ) .. User A gets deleted for the third time..(again a mistake? )
Well..
I think we have right to ask questions about if there is a general amnesty about the deleted users.
I dont think it really matters if user A comes back despite the fact that "A has been deleted several times because of the forum rules" .. (Of course, there will a problem of trust of the judments about the deletions but we can ignore that.. ) The question is what about user Bs, or Cs?
Is there any reason why those deleted users should not come back?
We will see
What amnesty? mere speculation on your part! No repeatedly deleted users have come back as far as we are aware - like I say . If evidence should exist that a repeatedly deleted user has returned then the rules will be enforced. Hope this puts your mind at rest.
This is a shocking subject which has been discussed a lot in the past few months as the extent of the problem comes to light.
I would just like to qualify your comment by adding that 100% of these sex slave traders and brothel owners are illegal immigrants. 100%! However, this does not excuse the customers who visit such places...
It is probably also worth noting that many of these sex traders and brothel owners are women, especially the Asian ones!
THREESOME hooker Helen Wood rated superfit Wayne Rooney a power-packed punter, telling pals: "He´s an athlete on the pitch - and he gave us a workout we won´t forget."
In the news report I read it said that an HGV driver saw the child and slowed the rest of the traffic and in doing so the mother saw her child sitting there. But the police were called and they returned the child to the mother by drivers. She said the child was asleep under a tree whilst she was begging on the side of the road and she did not realise it was was awake. The cameras were security cameras.
Totally fed up with the continual fight (on here) between Islam and Christianity and the blame game. No wonder there are so many wars in the world - religion is the root of most of them.
WHY cant people just take each other at face value...accept people for who they are NOT what they are or which religion they believe in or dont believe in.....lets just live amongst eachother in harmony.....every person should want PEACE in their life..
Well said! If people on this site can´t post a few comments peacefully so what hope has the world got?
I wouldnt reccommend quoting The Daily Mail - an English, Conservative, right wing scandalmongering tabloid
that is vastly overrated in Britain because it used to be a broadsheet & its readers think its a cut above the other tabloids which it isnt
I would call the Daily Mail, a scare mongering paper, not a scandal mongering paper - it has done more for the EDL and the BNP than any other paper in the UK.
Why is it strange? It is something we have all (UK) been suspicious of since he was found as we knew the story of WoMD were a fabrication only he paid with his life.............
On the eve of the Pope´s visit to Britain, an industry watchdog group has banned an Antonio Federici ad featuring a pregnant nun eating ice cream that reads, ´´Immaculately Conceived´´ and ´´Ice Cream You Can Believe In." The company says it intends to defy the ban in the name of free expression and its right to use "gentle humor" to question "the attitudes of the church to social issues." The watchdog saw the ad as "a distortion and mockery of the beliefs of Roman Catholics." No word yet on their stand on priests abusing many small children in the name of those beliefs. http://www.commondreams.org/further/2010/09/15-2 http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2010/6/17/1276789898451/Fedirici-ice-cream-ad-001.jpg
There are some real stiffs about! No one can take a joke these days
I don´t think the rising gold price is a scam, I just think the companies are a scam. But consumers have to use their brains too. Why would you trust a company you can´t even visit, who don´t post the prices they pay on their websites? That gold prices in general rise now is a logical thing. The price of each increases when the demand increases. With the whole financial crisis, people are not trusting their paper money, their stocks, etc. anymore. Gold seems to be a better investment, so they buy gold... as more people want to buy gold, the price increases.
Very true! There is a CashforGold "tent" errected in our High Street with the chavs all lined up waiting to get loads of cash for their "gold" but oh what a surprise their gold is practically worthless. There is a bit of a difference between the 9 ct gold in a chain and the solid gold bullion stored in a Swiss bank vault!!
We must have Armenian classes on this site ....One look at TC in Twitter, would make you think this is an Armenian site....Great pity no one supports my proposal !
Well there is a great deal more that is NOT about Armenia on there, as it is linked to anything that is posted on the Facebook site. I guess freeing the Dolphins in Hisaronu is also an Armenian issue????
I do trust science, and I am waiting for it to prove to me there is a God, in the meantime, I believe there is no God! And I am a "glass half full" sort of person not a "glass half empty" sort.
Until that day, we will grow old...... and many millennia later (if earth exists that long and we have not destroyed it) the same questions will still be asked. So until then........
I have now moved back to the U.K. as I am looking for work to support my wife and young daughter, it was very hard to leave my home in Istanbul but with another member of our family to support working full-time is a neccessity even more now.
My wife Nesrin will retire in just a few days so I am expecting her to join me with little Melissa at the end of Sept start of Oct. We will attempt to rent our apartment in Istanbul which will give us a valuable income and then we always have the option to keep it should we return later in our lifes.
I would really appreciate any advice for my wife as I am still unsure which route to go down, here is the present situation, she has a visitor´s visa which expires in Jan 2011, I am currently desperate to find work here in England but we will have a secure address at my parents.
Would we best to apply now before her current visa runs out for a another visa or apply for an extension of stay in the U.K. as a partner or wife/husband of a U.K. national, which basically is the same as a settlement visa application.
We know need to get things moving so we are looking upon experienced people who have gone down the same route as we are going for advice and guidance. Anybody with any suggestions or advice please reply
According to a study in UK, walking is good for preventing colon and breast cancers. British researchers said that walking exersize may prevent upto 10 thousands of colon and breast cancers in UK. Health experts say that physical activities may lower the cancer risk by arranging hormone levels in the body. It´s reported that 8% of the cancer cases in Europe are linked to overweight and obesity.
those who think slavery belongs to the past especially in EU should watch I am slave film about modern times Britain and illegal immigrants.Below some lines of its review.
Slavery in the UK Today
“When we started researching this story, we discovered that around 14,000 people had been abducted into slavery from south Sudan,” said producer Andrea Calderwood. “Possibly even more shocking for a British audience, there are up to 5000 people who are being held as slaves in the UK today, and that´s the shocking fact. Whenever I tell people that I´m working on a film about slavery in London, they all assume that it´s set 200 years ago. It´s happening now, today.”
The British government estimates that out of those 5000, 80% are sold into prostitution and the rest as forced labour, including domestic slavery. In April 2010, the UK made the holding of someone in servitude (domestic slavery) a crime punishable of up 14 years in prison. The crime of forced labour is now punishable of up to seven years in prison. However, no one has been charged for these crimes since the laws came into force.
It is forced labour and the domestic worker is held to ransome in the home. I am not sure what sort of person it is that has domestics in this day and age, and does not pay them a living wage.
It is claimed in the papers that many of these domestic slaves are kept by foreign diplomats who are immune to our laws.
Everything was going so well until Borat! And yes, America is money....I have a bathtub full of it and I jump in everyday and take a bath in it. I am sure Cat has 2 bathtubs full of money because she is far more evil than me!
Now that depends on the size of the bath tub (I KNOW you Bed Amerikens have the biggest tubs in the world!! on account of the supersize McDonalds ) and of course the denomination of the bills
It is a bit late in the day now, as this thread is a few months old, but please be aware that when you post your msn and skype addresses etc, this is a public site and anyone can see them.
He sat on my husbands knee staring blindly for what seemed like hours, at the black man in the seat opposite, never ever having seen a black person before.
in the States we teach children to not stare. if that had been me, my mother would have said something to make me stop. being one of the rare ´brown/woman/foreigner´ that most people have ever met or seen before, i wonder why people think it´s acceptable to stare. maybe it is just cultural but i find it rude. maybe in other cultures staring is acceptable. i am certain the man wasn´t amused. he was just tolerant as life has taught those of us who get stares ALL the TIME to just bare it as best as we can. otherwise we will go around everyday angry and depressed. better to make lemonade...
by the way i´ve been in poland...next time i come i´ll call you daydreamer so you can add two to the list of brown people you have met!
Yes you are right, it is rude to stare and I don´t think it is acceptable. He was two years old and the man opposite did not mind, he started to talk to and play with my little boy to put him at ease. He just could not take his eyes of him! Nothing rude or personal just a little boy unsure of something. The man was very pleasant and when it was time to leave the train we wished each other well on our journeys.
And please, find all his vids (professor Walter Veith). I recommend. Interesting. As you know I myself love themes like Creation, Universe, Planets, Existence.
1) I come from the Fens so you can decide if living in the wilderness of Cambridgeshire and Norfolk is elitist, where black people prefer not to live, not sure why that is so weird
2) What makes you think I am elitist?? You know about as much about me as I know about you and that is not that much
3) I did not say I liked George Orwell - you are right, he is a weird writer
This is turning into quite a strange thread, where it seems to be an issue that you do not live somewhere where black people have chosen not to live! Funny thing is, I live somewhere where Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, and Latvians prefer to live
This reminds me of my oldest son when he was aged 2. We were travelling from Germany through Netherlands on a train. He sat on my husbands knee staring blindly for what seemed like hours, at the black man in the seat opposite, never ever having seen a black person before. The black man found it very amusing.
What? there were no black people in UK like 20 years ago?
You are right about teaching our children that people are the same where ever they are from (we are all physically made the same way more or less I mean) or what ever position they hold (I hate elitism as much as racism). Not like Animal Farm, "all animals are equal, just that some animals are more equal than others"!
Strange thing I feel whenever I read your posts they have a tint of elitism. Why?
We are not animals. We are human beings, designed perfect but failed at our own choice.
He is 32 so 30 years ago, there were hardly any black people where I come from in the sticks, and there still aren´t that many.
You find my posts are a little elitist because that is the way you wish to find them. I think you have this view of me so that so off the mark!!! Anyway, I did not say we are animals, just quoting from the book Animal Farm by George Orwell. And really a perfect example of how people as you say, "Designed perfect (most of the time) but failed at our own choice"
This is ridiculous. Should we all now aspire to have a black friend? Are there agencies renting friends of different colours? I´m 32 and in my life I´ve spoken to a black person once. It was on a bus and he was asking me about how to get somewhere. There aren´t many black people in Poland, not many in Ireland either. Does the fact that I don´t know any black people make me a racist?
What we should teach our children is that all people are the same, regardless of their race, gender or material status. Not that we should do something just to show off...
This reminds me of my oldest son when he was aged 2. We were travelling from Germany through Netherlands on a train. He sat on my husbands knee staring blindly for what seemed like hours, at the black man in the seat opposite, never ever having seen a black person before. The black man found it very amusing.
You are right about teaching our children that people are the same where ever they are from (we are all physically made the same way more or less I mean) or what ever position they hold (I hate elitism as much as racism). Not like Animal Farm, "all animals are equal, just that some animals are more equal than others"!
I think if anyone lived in an area where gypsies turn up in convoys and park on people land illegally, steal what ever they want, don´t pay tax or contribute to society, but want everything you would perhaps change you mind about predjudice! The police are even scared to go onto a gypsie site as they are surrounded and hounded off. They are intimidating and they think they are beyond the law and sadly it is the minority that make it bad for the majority.
And whats more, you should see the mess they leave behind, human faeces, bags of rotting rubbish, burned out cars, and other junk. They do themselves no favours.
Why do I need to deal with cheap, shallow, skin-deep people all the time?
Phew!!!
It is really boring and time consuming.. Still dont understand what gives people the idea that this time they can get square.. How stupid is that!!
The rule is very simple: A person swears once, I will ignore. The same person gets vulgar, I will ignore again. But in the end, I will turn around and slap that person and then we have to face for all those cryings, whining again..
Do you think science can answer all our questions? And if it can´t, are those questions meaningless? Do you think science approve any religion? Is there a mystery science will not ever solve?
As most of you know i trust science. But i have some questions unanswered. According to law of conservation of energy, energy can neither be created nor destroyed: it can only be transformed from one state to another.As you know whole universe exists of many forms of energy. My mind can´t imagine a situation energy existed always without a starting point. I think that there must be a starting point of everything. But i think our brain has its limits. As Kant says our brain functions depending on space and time concepts. And we think everything has a starting point. We can´t imagine anything that doesn´t have any starting point. But according to law of conservation of energy, energy always existed. It doesn´t have a starting point. It is not created. How can we solve this dilemma?
Same situation is valid for the God? Is there a God? If you think there is, did he created himself or he existed always? What are your arguments?
Yep, that is the 1st law of Thermodynamics. I think you mean it can only change from one form to another, for instance, energy is contained fossil fuels (embodied energy), take coal and when it is burned in a fire the energy is released as heat and carbon is released into the atmosphere.
I can´t answer the question of a starting point for energy, I guess the scientists who discovered thermodynamic would have the answer.
I don´t believe in God, and have not done so since I was a child when no one could tell me how a God could let children die (children of my age) when they were at school in the Aberfan Disaster in 1966 - over 100 children died in the school when a coal waste slid onto the school and suffocated those children. And then the question, well if there is a God how come no one has seen him? No one could answer that either. I have plenty of reason why I don´t believe in God. I believe in evolution, and scientific reasoning. In my view science can prove most things and as far as I am aware it has not proven there is a God. Without science we would not be where we are today.
I just got home from alanya, and I can´t stop thinking of this guy I met there. He works as a bartender so i met him when I was having drinks with my girlfriends. He gave me roses and told me how beautiful. He was very kind and we went out that night together. Now I can´t help to wonder if this is something he sais to all tourist girls who comes to his bar.. He was just so adorable, so I hope he ment it.
Anyone who has experience of this??
And I bet you weren´t the only one that week either, and as soon as you have gone, he will have moved on to the next few girls.
If you gave him your MSN or similar, wait for the sob story asking for money.......
Half of this website contains stories like yours.....
Right! Forget about the diets! Just stick to some practical guidelines:
Eat slowly, it takes time for the brain to think you have eaten enough.
Drink water before the meal and don´t drink it when eating. Drink 1.5/2 lts of water a day and drink it along the day.
Eat more veggies. At least one main course should be veggies. It takes 2 hours to digest veggies compared 4 hours for meats. veggies have less calories and keep you filled longer
Eat fruits in small portions. Half of a banana, a small apple for example. Haha! What do you do with the other half of banana?
Do not eat sweets more than once or twice a week and prefer light ones like "sütlaç" "muhallebi", "kazandibi" etc.
Take fats moderately. 4-5 spoons of olive oil a day should be enough. Are you saying little spoon like you use for stirring you tea?
Don´t give up eating carbonhydrates. 60% of daily intake should be carbonhydrates. This is too much! Carbohydrates turn to fat if not burn up!!
Do not eat late. You should have your dinner by 1900.
destroying cemeteries, churches or other places of spiritual worshipping is nothing but cowardice and the will to eredicate someone´s cultural and historical heritage. It is not only an act of vandalism itself but also disrespect towards collective heritage, values or emotions held by certain groups or ethnicities. Those who commit such things want to deprive them of their memories. Unfortunately it happens all over the world to any dominations or religions.Pity that the places that are designed to peace are instruments of political struggle.
I agree, and how distressing it is for those whose loved ones graves have been damaged by mind less thugs. I have seen stories where the graves of young children have been destroyed and any ornaments have been stolen. I find it totally sickening.
Why would I try to defend Poles - I don´t know even one homeless one, let alone a homeless one in London so I wouldn´t know what they eat. Of course tabloids look for sensation and, as millions of Poles flooded the UK, they became the favourite target group of the gutter press which loves making up stories. I have never heard about Poles eating swans or mice in Poland. Why shoud they do it in the country that has a social system so easy to milk that it´s hard to imagine somebody would actually be homeless - that I don´t know. But I guess anything can happen. Would tabloids be able to tell a Polish immigrant from a Czech one? Or a Ukrainian passing for Lithuanian? I doubt it...
And i know Si++ wants to provoke but let´s be honest - I´m not Turkish, I don´t feel the need to defend the Polish pride in the collective national sense. I don´t eat mice, why should I take offence in what he said. Is it possible that some Poles eat mice? I have no idea so I can´t say I´m 100% sure they don´t. Seems better to me than starving.
Sadly there are several living homeless along with other Eastern Europeans, in Peterbough when they lost their jobs and can´t get benefits. Some have been living under tarpaulins on a roundabout. Some of them have been repatriated but others refuse. They are living in terrible squalid conditions. Some are living in houses of multiple occupation in dangerous conditions and being taken advantage of by unscrupulous landlords.
I am sure many countries have stuplid pointless laws that hardly anyone knows about still on the statute book. Here is one of my favourites, feel free to add your own from your country (US has loads I know!!)
It is an offence for failing to report to the authorities, the siting of a grey squirrel....
İf because of an illness you get fat its not right to throw you out like a garbage.
Not many people get fat because of an illness.... most get fat because they eat to much. I don´t know about other countries, but in the UK you could not get sacked because you are too fat to be in the airplane but you would be moved to other duties. We have very strict employment laws, equality laws and discrimination laws - in fact we have a law for most things
Yesterday it was in the paper that flight attendants of Turkish Airlines are forced to go on a diet to measure certain sizes. They get some time unpaid leave to loose the weight and if they don´t get the proper weight they are fired. It sounds a bit strange but on the otherhand it makes sense that you cannot have overweight flightattendants. In case of evacuation or emergency the flight attandent must have good health and not block the doorways or emergency exits.
Not sure if it still applies, but to become an air hostess in the UK the woman must be no more than a UK size 12 because of the restriction in space in the aircraft.
Wow, Liba, where did you get this rubbish? Wow, utterly rubbish!
The Body of Christ is a church, an ecclesia of many different people from many different places or earthly churches.
You people dont even read the Bible and then come, and speak such fantasies.
Roman Catholic Church is officially a church, but according to Bible it has nothing with Christ. The Catholic Church is full of masonic and occult signs and symbols and rituals.
I knew you would put me right most eloquently and in a forgiving Christian like manner ..... I was just guessing actually about the body of Christ thing.........
But Roman Catholic church is Christian and if you like to check, has the largest following of any Christian church in the world.....
It has to Cappadocia! The most amazing place I have ever been to, closely followed by Olu Deniz, and then Kackar Mountains. Istanbul for me is not a holiday destination but a long weekend destination. I have a desire to go to Saffronbolu, not sure why but I will get there one day.
How come it´s applauded if a Muslim country does it, but it´s labelled as racist when a European country does the same?
Agree! Recently there was a case in the UK where an PM refused to meet women who wear the full burka (with just the eyes showing) and I don´t blame him either. It is disrespectful in my view.
OK Thanks for clarification. But still not clear enough.
What do you mean by "I belong to the Body of Christ."?
It is more of a saying and it means that the person has given their self to Christ (body because he is dead but referring to him placed on the cross - I think!! someone will correct if I have got it wrong)
Not sure if this has been clarified but Roman Catholic is a Christian faith.
How we arrive at death´s door is important. What we bring with is important. Do we leave the world a better place for our existence?
Who knows where we end up - all I know is I expect to be dust scattered in some place that I consider to be a place I love (yet to be decided so I better not die soon)
Hope he shows up. Cats disappear sometimes and show up weeks later. If it is a young one that may not be the case though.
Thanks Vineyards, He turned up this morning like a bad penny! I think he is sick of the tablets, the cat box, the vets, the jabs, the blood taken and decided to hide from me He is 12 btw and has hyperthyroidism and is skin and bone.........
I think the speculation as to why Trudy has decided to leave the site has gone far enough (joking or not!). She has made a decision and that ought to be respected. She was a stalwart member of this site and a considerable contributor.
The similar thing has happened in my country a couple of months ago, but the victim was a dog, Mila, the one-year-old mixed breed, discovered with all four of her legs cut off by (still) unknown perpetrator. The dog was brought to the Belgrade Veterinary Institution in a very serious condition since it was determined that beside the injuries to her legs she had also survived a heart attack and developed pneumonia.
The only solution for Mila was to be fitted with prosthetic limbs, which are not manufactured anywhere in Serbia. Help was offered by many foreign clinics and it is even considered to perform the surgery in Serbia which would spare Mila the additional stress of the trip. Anyway, after The Belgrade Veterinary Institution announced that the dog’s condition had improved and that she was ready to start preparations for a surgery to fit her with prostheses, Deputy Secretary for Belgrade Utilities and Housing Services Vladimir Terzin has stated that Mila the dog will not be exposed to operations if the issue of her disability can be solved with orthopedic aids.The final decision about who, where and if Mila will undergo surgery will be made by an expert committee. In case of surgery, Mila will be the first dog in the world with prothesis at all four legs.
Mila´s case caused numerous discussions about treatment of animals and persecuttion of animal abuse under Serbia´s law. Only Face Book group "Punishment for the monster who cut the dog all four legs" has more than 270.000 members in this moment. B92, Serbian television, radio and internet media outlet, after Mila´s case has decided to set up a fund to protect animals.
It is just unthinkable that a human being can be so cruel - I hope the person who did this is caught and is punished no less than they deserve. I was shocked and appalled when I read the story on facebook. In my view if someone can treat animals cruelly then they are capable of doing the same to humans.
In this case, it is good that so many people are doing something to help this little dog.
And thank you Slavica for bringing this story to us.
The Handsom, Gezegen, the Pope and Trudy were all in a plane together flying through stormy conditions.
Suddenly, the pilot came running back to the passengers and announced that lightning had hit the plane, and they were going to crash in a matter of minutes. "There are only enough parachutes for four of the five of us," he announced. "Since I´m the pilot, I get one!" After saying this, the pilot grabbed a parachute and jumped out of the plane.
"I´m the world´s greatest procreator," proclaimed Gezegen. "This world needs great procreators, so I must live." Gezegen then grabbed a parachute and leaped out of the plane.
"Off Ya!! I´m the smartest and most well read member of Turkish Class," bragged The Handsom. "Turkey needs smart, well read, peace-loving men like me. I have so much work left to do, so I must also live!" The Handsom grabbed a parachute and jumped out of the plane.
At this point, the Pope turned to Trudy and said "I have lived a long life compared to you my child. Please, take the last parachute. I will go down with the plane."
"Well that´s very kind of you," replied Trudy " but, please, be my guest and put on the parachute and jump. Don´t worry about me, I can take care of myself."
The Pope was very touched by Trudy´s brave and selfless act.
"My child, you seem very self assured, please tell me, how you are managing to keep so calm and be so brave in a situation such as this?" Asked the Pope.
"Sure," replied Trudy "I just watched Turkey´s smartest, well read, peace-loving man jump out of the plane and he was wearing my backpack.!"
A man goes to a store and sees a woman that he finds attractive. She, however does not pay any attention to him, which he finds surprising because he thinks he´s such a ´catch´! He thinks of the size of his ´stuff´ and wonders why everybody can resist him... He thinks of the experiences he had had with his girlfriends and remembers that they did not exactly seem to be very impressed with his ´skills´. He quickly dismisses these thoughts and drifts away into a fantasy world where every female is ´grateful´ to him about how he pleased her and every woman will certainly ´come back and ask for more´.
When he returns with his thoughts to the real world, he joins the mysogynists of the world and disrespects real women because they don´t devote their lives to please him and his egocentric, immature, narcissistic ego.
the bottom line is that HE JUST HATES SHOPPING FOR SHOES!
Have you ever wondered why A, B, C, D, DD, E, F and G are the letters used to define bra sizes? If you have wondered why, but couldn’t figure out what the letters stood for It is about time you became informed!
A - Almost Boobs
B - Barely there.
C - Can’t Complain!
D - Damn!
DD - Double damn!
E - Enormous!
G - GEEEEzus Christ!
F - Fake.
Wonder why there is not a similar sizing method for mens pants! They are either small medium or large
- this old joke does adapt well to different people - but I´ve never seen it so personalised before! [I think Sonunda may have a backpack as well btw ]
*blushing* I have several...... different sizes for different occasions, the largest is 65 litre
Of course it is - nobody in the west wants to make friends with anyone unless there is some benefit, financial or otherwise, to that friendship. This is why in the west only very rich, influential people have any friends and the rest of us have to try and form virtual friendships on the internet.
Haha! So true - especially the virtual friends
(unless you are the very rich and very famous CEO responsible for a famous oil spill of course)
“According to western culture there is no friendship, only benefit…” ıs it right?
I think you mean that the west are more individualistic - referring to the circle of friends we have and how we are with our families. We are less likely to have extended groups of friends or extended families. We tend to put our own needs before others. As opposed to collectivism where there are more likely to be extended families and people will put the needs of other before themselves. Usually societies where there are high moral standards to.
If you are interested in learning more about business culture, where the various aspects of culture are described (individualism vs collectivism) then Gerrt Hofstede´s book Cultural Dimensions is a reasonably easy book to read.
There is a large difference between men and women in Turkey, but perhaps an even larger difference between women in Turkey. You can see that for example by the amount of girls who get married very young (also posted on this forum) but there are also examples of very succesfull business women in Turkey.
I have just read a news for an example of this and would like to share it here.
A little girl of 13 who was hospitilised with some symptoms was found to be pregnant for 7 months. The hospital reported the case to the Police and after an investigation it was found that the little girl was sold by her uncle for 18000 TL 9 months ago after the death of her father to the man she was living together.
Learning Spanish for an English should be easier than learning Turkish, because both of them are IE languages meaning there are many grammatical similarities and many common words between them, that´s very normal.
But does it mean learning Spanish is easier than learning Turkish for someone who speaks different languages from English&Spanish? How ´bout newborns who do not speak any language?
There are scientific studies that Turkish children are the fastest at learning their language, so it should tell something I think.
Yes you are right and I just meant I find Turkish difficult, but only really because I don´t have enough time to spend learning the basics. I found French and Spanish easier to learn but I have no idea why! Even though English is a Germanic language, I think German is also difficult and I don´t like the gutteral sounds, the latin based languages are far more romantic
Hmmm . . . or a weapon for wives to use on cheating husbands?
Would women have to walk around with one of these all the time?
Change of subject . . . I am intrigued to know how you find the time to trawl the news sites for anything connected to sex. Do you google key words? Or perhaps, as an ICT "buff" (LIR note the pun there ) you have some sort of USB cable or hard drive attached between your PC and one of your orifices .
Do you think that jaw like mechanism will stop women being beaten as well? Me thinks not........
hit by a coconut... I think coconuts kill more people then lightning.
Errr not where I live
I was very close to getting struck by lightning once, picking strawberries - it hit the electricity pole beside me and threw me across the field! So there is a chance
I am not yet sure if I am comfortable here in Christianity. I mean I would go even just for foreplay and this would be enough as a fore-step! But it is hard sometimes not to desires a woman in mind! Well, we will see...
Do what you wanna do Gezegen, I always did and I have not been struck down by lightning yet and if there is a place in hell for me, then so be it, I like the heat!
I have been away for a while, coming and going cos´ I am busy, but I thought I would take some time out while Brazil play Portugal and read what I thought might be an interesting thread which incidentally bears no resemblance to its title.
Sadly I am as bored with this thread as I am with the match....
I had a black car for 7 years (VW Golf) and loved it - and it was in the same condition when I sold it (sob sob!) Only problem with black, they always show the dirt
I keep being told by my ´Turkish´ friends that the pronunciation is similar to Spanish, so I´ve been trying to learn - but I get corrected by them so often that I beg to differ. Is there any site that has an audio of the letters and the sounds? - obviously, I´m still not getting it.
No, I agree with Alameda, it is nothing like Spanish - I learnt Spanish many years ago and I tried to learn Turkish, but I must say Spanish is by far the easier..... (sorry Turks!)
The power flows across countries and powerful countries create their own social system from the beginning of the world! Wars are used to be an important argument to create the social system that the powerful countries like.
There were wars while Egyptians were building pyramids based on a significant scientific background; there were wars when Roman Empire were developing modern law, wars were still there when Greeks were establishing philosophical thinking way and it was the same when Ottoman Empire spreads Islamic thinking.
However, these wars were being made between armies; the societies weren’t been tortured and exploited until the exploration of America. The world has witnessed genocides after that event. This was not a war between armies. This was absolute destroy of some nations. Millions of people have been killed in America just because they are others! Lucky locals have been slaves in the worst conditions that the world ever seen. Natural sources of those people have been captured. Therefore, while some nations were being destroyed, the killers were been being richer. Mercantilism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism owns its roots to that enrichment.
Thrived nations have made industrial revaluation by the exploited labour force of others! They needed more and more slaves and they have fallen to a new imperialism competition. They destroyed many nations especially in Africa. So that, they owned new labour forces and natural sources. Today’s economical understanding, capitalism, is based on that imperial culture.
Jews did not own a country while these developments were happening. They were living almost in all countries, especially in developing ones. Jews were always good at commerce. Thanks to their closed social structures and commerce talents, Jews improved their capital stock. The main aim of those savings was using them to receive their “so called” promised lands.
Coming to the end of 1800s Jews owned a very important asset. They were able to that the USA will be the most effectual power of the world in the close future. They began to create strong links with that country. They have placed significant roles in US government and economy. They needed the US to receive their “promised lands”
During the wars era, Jews began their occupying actions in Palestine. After the first and second world war, along with the US became the world’s super power, they have turned back to “promised lands”. They have occupied Palestine on 1948 and established Israel! Now 75 % of Palestinian lands are occupied. Ten thousands of people are killed.
Today, Jews own the biggest companies of the world. They own the biggest gun companies too. Every single lands of the world mean sources to Israel. The most innocent action of them is to dominance foreign economies. Whoever displays a resistance to Israel’s wishes are enemies. After 9/11 terrorists. They need new lands first to sell guns, than their products. They buy governments for their sakes. They provoke ethnic groups to create new wars and instability in where they want. Just one sample, In Congo 1.5 million people killed each other just in one night and 5 millions as a total! Now Congo changed their name as Democratic. Sarcastic ha? If they own Jewish guns and American bases, if they consume Jewish products or provide natural sources for Jewish, they are democratic.
If a person believes in just his life is valuable but not any others; if he is spiritually married to god and god just loves him; if he won’t be punished for his actions; if everything is possible for him; he will be harmful for its neighbourhood. But if the richest nation and its gunned power believes that; this idea just brings barbaric terrorism for the whole world!
Israel is the main source of global terrorism!
Could you provide your source for this statement or other wise modify this post please and the previous one where you made this statement. Thank you.
1. If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Funny, all the ´real´ Christians I meet always seem to ´forget´ this text. They ´know´ what the truth is, they can tell what is right and what is wrong, they can judge over others. Surprised I left Christianity a long, long time ago?
Good post Trudy! I am with you on the "real" Christians, if there weren´t so many hypocrits about.
I particulary like 7) as this must refer to those Priests that molested those children....... and those who condem others for having different beliefs or ways of life (thinking Uganda now, and the treatment of gays!)
I am of course no judge but I have eyes and ears. You and the whole world has turned away from God.
This thread was started by Janissary not to share his condolences but to mock you "good" and civilized westerners.
I dont ride the high horse. Its you Barba who is a good doer and think so high of yourself.
Err not Janissary but Janissaridis and I am sure he is not mocking us - we post enough crap about stuff that goes on in Turkey so why not he post likewise about the UK ?
This man with he legally licensed guns, an unassuming man to most people was tipped over the edge by a family fued over a will (reported on the BBC) which caused his breakdown and to shoot his twin and then the family solicitor before going on the rampage, killing his collegue and taking shots at other, who had also been mocking him lately. And then going on to kill other innocent people going about their daily business. Who knows what goes on in someones head to make them do such a dreadful thing.
The whole incident is incredibly sad for all those that have been affected and lost loved ones.
Not sure what God has got to do with all this, if there is such a thing.... I have not seen any evidence to convince me yet and things like this make it even more unlikley I am afraid Lemon.
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I think you should keep your focus on the Israeli government, and not bring Obama into this. I think the guy was busy enough trying to take care of the messes in his own country. Right now, the oil that is ruining parts of the economy, the nature, and the food supply of his country is more important than a boat somewhere near Israeli waters.
Totally agree with you - Israel created the mess now they have to sort it out. Obama should keep his buggle out and sort the environmental disaster which will eventually affect us globally.....
When they (US/UK etc) condem these sort of things I am sorry but I never take them seriously as it is never backed up with anything tangible.
If this wasn´t leading to a horrible environmental disaster, it would be quite funny to see how BP is coming up with idiotic plans all the time to stop the oil spill. Who would have thought, that the "let´s shoot garbage at it" plan would fail?
Bloody pathetic - if only that was strong enough to describe this nothing short of catastrophic disaster....... I know "we will drill some more holes" plan sounds like another good one, that is if the "lets use robbots" plan fails!
Well, anyway, I was reading this James Bond book, and right away I realized that like most books, it had too many words. The plot was the same one that all James Bond books have: An evil person tries to blow up the world, but James Bond kills him and his henchmen and makes love to several attractive women. There, that´s it: 24 words. But the guy who wrote the book took *thousands* of words to say it.
Or consider "The Brothers Karamazov", by the famous Russian alcoholic Fyodor Dostoyevsky. It´s about these two brothers who kill their father. Or maybe only one of them kills the father. It´s impossible to tell because what they mostly do is talk for nearly a thousand pages. If all Russians talk as much as the Karamazovs did, I don´t see how they found time to become a major world power.
I´m told that Dostoyevsky wrote "The Brothers Karamazov" to raise the question of whether there is a God. So why didn´t he just come right out and say: "Is there a God? It sure beats the heck out of me."
Other famous works could easily have been summarized in a few words: * "Moby Dick" -- Don´t mess around with large whales because they symbolize nature and will kill you. * "A Tale of Two Cities" -- French people are crazy.
-- Dave Barry
Sorry to break into what seems like your personal thread, but I have to mention Crime and Passion too....... 670 pages if you read the notes, or how about The Golden Notebook, by Doris Lessing, a mere 576 pages of shear drivel, so here is my synopsis of the two:
Crime and Passion - You can appear to be a mad man but if you own up to a crime you will go to jail
The Golden Notebook - Coloured notebooks make life so much more organised or do they?
Young boy is caught falling from an escalator in Istanbul shopping mall - the daft little buggar was riding up the side when a sharp eyed customer saw him and caught him as he fell when he reached the top!
There is an ongoing debate about the opening of a dolphinarium in Hisaronu this summer.The dolphin pool or pond as it is being described will just be a prison and hell hole for dolphins.Sadly some visitors will be delighted to see these wonderful creatures imprisoned for their pleasure.
There is a couple of facebook campaigns one in English and the other Turkish which have a petition.I will post the links later (no access to FB at work). If you feel strongly about this please go to the links if you can and sign the petition. The groups are keen to keep the pressure up as the latest news is that the license has been granted to move the dolphins to Hisaronu.
In the meantime, here are some of the stories on website forums discussing the dolphinarium.Most people are against and would rather see these wonderful creatures free to swim in the sea.
So was he arrested because he killed a swan or because he stole a swan? or both? What a strange story.
Swans are protected birds in our country and should not be killed, if you do you pay the consequences. They are magnificent birds and so many are being killed these days because migrants think they can kill them and eat them, without knowing the law. They are known as the Queens birds because they belong to the crown.
So serve him right! Go kill pidgeons instead, there are thousands of them.
There are some historical quirks, one of which is that the Monarch owns all wild swans living in open water - of the species called ´mute´ swans. Other species of swans, and those owned by individuals are not owned by Her Majesty.
One lady said, Turkish men are the dream men of the every women....it seems so, look at the site, how many women are interested in love with Turkish????
I expect Turks NOT to think that because I am gregarious and smile warmly and frequently that I am desparate for their company between the sheets......
Yes, I agree. I guess we can handle that question in the same topic since the two things are strongly connected.
So... What do foreigners expect of Turks? What do they think of Turkey?
The only thing I would expect of Turks is that they except my minor indiscretions as I would if they visit me (and I have done that!) and I think Turkey is a beautiful diverse country that has much to offer any intrepid traveller. It is not all about beaches and resorts selling full English breakfast and the notices boards for happy hours and everything is "cheap as chips" oh and not forgetting the young resort workers offering the desperate housewives a "good time" in exchange for the latest mobile phone and a visa.
Just spotted there is already a thread of that title!!
Edited (3/15/2010) by libralady
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That´s the poshest list of booze I´ve ever seen! I haqd to google Ultimat Vodka and it´s over 68 pounds What´s wrong with the good ole Smirnoff, Absolut or Finlandia?
Obviously the demand from the Poles here in the UK has increased the price It is stocked in my local Tesco, I´ll check out the price......
Airport body scanners violate Islamic law, Muslims say
Saying that body scanners violate Islamic law, Muslim-American groups are supporting a “fatwa” – a religious ruling – that forbids Muslims from going through the scanners at airports.
The Fiqh Council of North America – a body of Islamic scholars that includes some from Michigan – issued a fatwa this week that says going through the airport scanners would violate Islamic rules on modesty.
“It is a violation of clear Islamic teachings that men or women be seen naked by other men and women,” reads the fatwa issued Tuesday. “Islam highly emphasizes haya (modesty) and considers it part of faith. The Quran has commanded the believers, both men and women, to cover their private parts.”
Is this group right or are the moaning? Body scans - not my favourite idea as well - are invented and placed because of increasing terrorism. Should we accept them then, should we stop travelling or is the alternative of a (thorough!) search enough?
I think that many countries will still prefer the full body search - this will only show up where someone has got something a bit unusual in his or her pants or eaten a rather odd lunch Do you think this could be a way to cure obesity???
Oh and I think they are moaning .......... again! They are not in use yet (I don´t think!)
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Hello and good morning to you all. What a wonderful day?
Anyway, due to the current financial situation caused by the slowdown of the economy, your Government has decided to implement a scheme to put workers 50 years of age and older on early retirement. This scheme will be known as RAPE (Retire Aged People Early). Persons selected to be RAPED can apply to the government to be eligible for the SHAFT scheme (Special Help After Forced Termination).
Persons who have been RAPED and SHAFTED will be reviewed under the SCREW program (Scheme Covering Retired Early Workers). A person may be RAPED once, SHAFTED twice and SCREWED as many times as the government deems appropriate.
Only persons who have been RAPED can get AIDS (Additional Income for Dependent & Spouse) or HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel Early Severance). Obviously, persons who have AIDS or HERPES will not be SHAFTED or SCREWED any further by the government.
Persons who are not RAPED and are staying on, will receive as much SHIT (Special High Intensity Training) as possible.
The government has always prided itself in the amount of SHIT it gives out. Should you feel that you do not receive enough SHIT, please bring this to the attention of your local MP. They have been trained to give you all the SHIT you can handle..
Tried that - didn´t work, also the bazzar, didn´t work, leaning over Galata Bridge, did not work and before you say I also tried an underground city in Cappadocia........... didn´t work
Maybe I go in a few weeks time for about a week to Istanbul. I´ve been there already 3 times and I think I saw all major tourist attractions. This time I like to ´feel´ Istanbul, to see the (relatively) unknown places, to get off the beaten track.
What can you advice me? Where can/should I go for seeing, experiencing Istanbul in other ways than package deals and tour guides offer?
Very subtle way of looking for a tour guide expect an increase in spam!
from my observations halal butchers are dirty. i dont know where do they take the idea of cleanness?
full of flies, blood full floors, animals dead or not together in one room. butchers and their assistants in dirty clothes spitting on every step. so disgusting.
james (that famous chef) was visiting one of the new york halal restaurants, and of course there was a sight of a butcher shop. i was appaled by his ignorance. if this was about one of the supermarkets he would give a negative comment, but for the sake of political correctness he acted as if things are normal.
eh, dont be offended, just sharing my opinion.
Very true Lemon. I once watched this environmental health series on TV and they secretly filmed a restaurant where the majority of the workers were Muslims, and they were caught washing their feet in the sink where they wash the dishes. How filthy is that??
Saturday I watched "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" with Steve Martin and Michael Cain. I forgot how funny this movie was and even though I saw it years ago, I laughed just as hard as I did the first time. It is about 2 con men who swindle rich women out of money at a French Riviera resort town. I think many dudus learn from this movie...but its very very funny!
Last night I watched "The Invention of Lying" with Ricky Gervais. I laughed so hard I lost my breath!
Both are very funny movies!
I love that film to (Dirty Rotten Scoundels) and how could I not love it with our very own Michael Cain in it! There are some films that will always make you laugh no matter how many times you see them:
The Canon Ball Run, Planes, Trains and Automobiles and Uncle Buck are three of those.
But recently I watched "Ray". What incredible performance by Jamiee Fox as Ray Charles, an amazing story and very sad too.
ahh.. and I love it. that is.. if one didn´t have to drive on icy roads
Hahaha! I slid to work this morning.......... I tried desparately hard not to hit the heavy goods lorry on the tiny country roads........... and I expect to slide home tonight!!!!
Turkish citizens cannot go to England without visa.
The British Embassy is in Ankara.
I have applied the embassy for a visa.
General VisaRequirements: British Visa application Forms
- fully completed visa application form - two passport photographs - valid national passport & one copy - original of valid resident visa - confirmation letter from your health insurance coverage & one copy - proof of group travel/hotelbooking in United Kingdom
- air-line reservation for United Kingdom & one copy
- current bank statement & one copy
- current real estatestatement & one copy - reference letter from your education institution - visa fees for British Visa : 170 TL
Do British citizens are required to provide these same documents and forms as legally while entering Türkiye as Tourist?
Citizens of Australia, Canada, Japan, USA and other EU countries who are in possession of a valid passport of their country do not need a visa for airport transit, tourist or business trips (for stays up to 90 days) in United Kingdom.
Bilindiği üzere, uluslararası hukukta karşılıklılık (mütekabiliyet esası ) kuralı vardır. Bu genel kabul gören hukuk normuna göre, devletler, vize işlemlerini karşılıklılık esasına göre uygulamaya koyar. uluslararası anlaşmalar uyarınca, vize uygulayan ülkeye aynı koşullar çerçevesinde vize uygulanır, vize uygulamayan ülkeye de aynı koşullar çerçevesinde vize uygulanmaz.Evrensel hukuk kuralı ve diplomatik usul budur.
What do you think about this point as international law?
Do British citizens are required to provide these same documents and forms as legally while entering Türkiye as Tourist?
To answer your question Yilgun, we do not need to produce anything to get a visa for Turkey. We arrive at a Turkish airport and produce a crisp £10, hand it to the clerk who then sticks a little visa in our passport and stamps it. That is valid for 3 months.
I have written several times on the forum about the new Points Based System when non-EEA citizens wish to travel to the UK. It is much more difficult to come to the UK now unless you live in the EEA countries and you can travel freely.
The reason they ask for all these documents, it is so they believe you will return to Turkey once your vacation or trip is finished. There has been problems in the past where particulary those from the Kurdish regions of Turkey, come to the UK on the pretence of a holiday but not returning to Turkey and remaining as an illegal immigrant in the UK.
I hope you do get your visa and have a lovely trip to the UK. Please don´t come right now as we have snow and ice and it is freezing cold!!!!! Wait until the weather is better
Like turning tea into a suspiciously coloured obscure milky drink?
Chips or fries? Or is it just the French thing that is bothersome.
Chips of course, with fish in newspaper and salt and vinegar.............. it is the French thing that is bothersome (that sounds SOOOOOOOOOOOOO English!  
Man has a life span of say 70-80 years. I have completed more than half of it. I have made the acquaintance of thousands of people from various countries. This experience entitles me to say a few words about them, writers do that too, philosophers rave about them and poets elaborate on their pecularities. They all rely on their first hand experience to be able to that.
Somehow, there is a typical anti-muslim, anti-turkish sentiment producing all sorts of political consequences throughout Europe. They use this sentiment to win elections. Referandums turn out negative.
I am sorry that I disagree with you but Europe is against Turkey and Islam and this is evident in their visa policies, unconditional support of the other thesis whenever Turkey forms one of the parties. Isn´t this a tell-tale proof of a deep rooted prejudice? What did you think about Turkey before coming to see it? I know many people have been positively surprized on finding a country quite different from what they were told back home.
There is no denying some of these also apply to Turkey but the sophisticated, iron-clad anti-Turkish sentiment prevalent in Europe is beyond any comparison.
There are millions of potential tourists and businessmen who for all intents and purposes are eligible for entering a European country but they are daunted at the consulates where they are asked reports of bank balance sheets whereas this is private information from a legal point of view. Should there be the smalles suspicion about your intentions, you are denied of entry. You might obtain the visa and travel to a European country, there a policeman may send you back home. Everyone else is potentially good regardless of how they actually are but if you are a Turk you are potentially bad.
Quoting barba_mama
Uhmmmm....no. Firstly, it´s not "European culture".... xenophobic reactions are human nature... evolution and all that, protect your own, spread the genes, all that. So to attach it to a single culture is unfounded... Secondly, there is no "European culture", it is a area with a lot of different histories and cultures that are sometimes intertwined, but really different. And thirdly, saying that in other European countries the result would be the same is just crazy. You underestimate people, and make you own assumptions based on nothing. The fact that the xenophobes scream the loudests makes it seem like they are the only people in certain countries, but that doesn´t mean they actually ARE the only people.
I think you are giving a rather paranoid view of how Europe perceive Turks. As for entering the UK now, it is much more difficult for anyone not residing within the EU or EEA and immigration is now restricted to highly skilled and skilled workforce and showing their bank balance is something they have to do in order to prove they have the required funds stipulated in the criteria for entry. For short visits there are different rules and anyone outside the EEA have to prove they will return to their country of origin and not remain in the UK illegally. I agree it is humiliating to show your personal things but we are now living in a society where no information is personal.
Our island is becoming overcrowded and can only take so many people. That is why there is such a restriction on immigration now.
As for anti-muslim sentiment, can you not understand why there is this sentiment, when home grown muslims commit terrorist acts on home soil? Many want to introduce Shaira law, ban alcohol, make women wear the Burka etc - why? Should you not accept the law of the land you arrive in? I think so. There is not a problem with people wishing to practice their religion, but no one should ever try and impose their religion on to others.
I am afraid I have seen some examples lately in the UK where young muslims (and I will point out that they are not Turkish) have displayed themselves to be intolerant racist radicals and I wonder why those people have decided to settle in the UK. And then when this sort of behaviour is displayed why UK nationals get upset.
As usually at this time the xmass shops start opening in town centres. Children drag parents into them. What do I find there? Sex and porn related items mixed with decorations.
Little plastic penises and breasts, xmass decorated porn pics, santas in weird positions.
And its all meant to be fun...
Well, its not! I feel embarassed when I go there. I feel embarassed when people at work give each others mysterious santa gifts in the form of dancing penises or boobies etc etc.
when did it turn into this?
I´d hate to think where you shop - I have not seen anything like this in our shops....... Yeh, people like a bit of fun, but I have never seen anyone give these sorts of gifts at work - we would get the sack. Why go into "those" shops where ever they might be..... Soho, Ann Summers ????
But I agree, it is tacky and unnecessary, just like those house covered in lights.
Christmas is just one big commercial con as far I am concerned..... certainly lost the meaning of what it is supposed to represent (well in the UK it has).
The food crisis isn´t coming, the food crisis was already going on pre-financial crisis.
The biggest problem with food in the world isn´t that there isn´t any food, but that it is simply very very VERY badly shared across the world. Think about how much food people in some countries throw away everyday. Or about the food that is disposed by supermarkets because it is over the selling date...people could have eaten that...or the agricultural products that are destroyed because Western farmers produced more then their quotas.... it´s a shame.
Don´t get me started Barba!! The amount of food wasted in the UK is disgusting!!!!
We throw away £10bn of food in the uk each year which is something like 6.3 million tonnes.
1.3 million un-opened yogurts is top of the list of waste
Just have a look at the first couple of pages of this WRAP report to give you some idea of the incrediable amount of food wasted in the UK.
I guess she tries to say there not only English, Spanish and Chinese are important but all languages. But i really think nifrtity needs a spelling revolution in all languages she knew or maybe a new keyboard.
And of course there is the language of love which appears to have been missed from above and possibly one of the most important, especially if you speak only the one language and it happens to be very different from the language the person on the othe side of the bed speaks
- " You cannot think in a foreign language...You can solely think in your native language... You can think, but in your own language only... You cannot think, love and dream in a foreign language,
but in your own language only..."
I have been known to dream in French and I am a long way from fluent!
Just been reading the interesting debate and views about donating organs etc above. I am on the organ donor register, regularly give blood and when I asked about being a bone marrow donor I was told I was too old (There was a upper age limit apparently).
Quite frankly if I was in a state where I was vegitative with no brain stem cell activity then I would be more than happy for anything of any use to go to someone who needs it, so long as it was not a murderer!
I think the guy thought to be in the "living coma" in Belgium was an unusual case, and how sad for him that he was like that for all those years. How an earth he coped with it is beyond me.
I believe in luck...... because when I was about 8 years old, had I run out into a car park 2 or 3 seconds earlier I would have been hit by a car but fortune was on my side that day and I ran out into the side of the car, much to the drivers shock!
A lot of so called luck is something that the person has subconsciously or consciously organised, for instance in your job or in your studies. You can make a decision to do well or not do well, it is up to you, luck does not feature.
Lots of people wearing ridiculous outfits and doing crazy things in the aid of Children in Need............ including me who went to work dressed as a "rock chick" but narrowly escaped the freezing cold jelly bath
He too is Turkish...He told me himself; believe it, or not.
http://www.vimeo.com/7453744
Now I was stupidly thinking he was a Canadan Jew, of Lithuanian / Polish descent .......... how wrong you can be Great lyricist but has a voice like he has a serious throat infection..... best he does not sing and leaves those who can to it
H: You have a very good personality and good looks
I: You ARE great in bed.
J: People adore you
K: You are wild and crazy.
L: You are great in bed.
M: Awesome kisser. Best kisser ever.
N: You like to drink, ha-ha again
O: Awesome kisser.
P: You are popular with all types of people.
Q: You are a hypocrite.
R: Easy to fall in love with.
S: F****n’ crazy
T: You are loyal to those you love.
U: You really like to chill.
V: You are not judgemental.
W: You are very broad minded.
X: You never let people tell you what to do.
Y: Best bf/gf anyone could ask for
Z: Good attention to detail
Well according to my name (and that is my real name) I like people and I am superb in bed! I guess it means I like my sleep mwahahahahaha ................
but hang on a minute, I just checked my nic and the same out come hahahaha
Well - in my personal opinion, using asterisks like this is okay as this is how it is done in the press but on TC it´s not okay to use the word with or without asterisks as part of an attack on a person/people. I´m sure you´re intelligent enough to understand the difference.
( btw, you can have the sneaky editing comment for free)
The Independent normally uses the full word................ but for me it depends on what context it is used really, if you are describing something then maybe OK but as you say, if you are calling someone then not! But we have a rule for all that so we better stick to it.......
Major Nidal Malik Hasan is a murderer and has brought great shame upon every American Muslim in the armed forces.
There are currently over 10,000 Muslim soldiers in the U.S. military, men and women who are patriotic and love their country and their fellow service members. Hasan’s evil actions, the murder of his fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, have now brought those honorable soldiers’ loyalties into question.
The Islamophobe community on the Internet is trumpeting how Hasan’s behavior is reflective of the threat Americans face from their Muslim neighbors, and how radical Islamists have infiltrated the ranks of our military. Calls for purging the military, and perhaps even the United States, of its Muslim members have already begun.
Today there are dozens of families mourning the attack on their loved ones by a fellow-in-arms. And there are hundreds of Muslims at Fort Hood who knew Hasan and are stunned that he would betray their country and their community with such cold, calculated ease. Hasan’s rampage has truly shattered many more lives than we can begin to imagine.....more
Don´t forget the other one, in Florida, the sacked shop worker!!!
´micturate´ - sorry, once a medsec always a medsec! - but it never occurred to me that was where we get ´take the mick´ from - you learn something new every day!!
Oooops I better start reading what I have written! I can´t believe how I spelt it even though I did know - I was microwaving something whilst I was writing !!
Ummm.....this must be a regional idiom..............could you translate?
Alameda...........
"Taking the mickey" is an alternative way of saying "taking the p***" . "Taking the mickey/mick/michael" was an original ryhming slang from the Cockney part of London and was taken from the word "microtate " to urinate.
This thread, apart from sounding like a Women´s Institute blog, is a bit confusing for non-USA peeps! For example.
"Oatmeal" - - - is that porridge?
And... if you ARE talking about porridge, why the big fuss? It is one of the easiest things to cook in the world! Actually Alameda you need to forget your prejudice and buy a microwave as it makes the best porridge and the fluffiest, lightest scrambled eggs!
When you say "double boiler" do you mean stove or cooker? A boiler for us is something that powers your central heating and has nothing to do with cooking!
So don´t DARE to complain about regional idioms
Apparently, porridge is what is made from oatmeal.... and oatmeal is rolled oats. Porridge can also be made from other cereals, but we Brits only know it being made from oats (oatmeal).
A jury decided the fate of a murderer in Texas by consulting the Bible. I thought a Jury was supposed to decided the verdict on the evidence..... so how does an athiest/muslim/ Hindu/Buddist/Pasterfarian etc fare ??
Yes I read about that LL. However, there are doctors who came here during the push for more staff at the request of the government. Also, in the European Union "situations vacant" column (!) the UK government are STILL asking for migrant workers in the NHS!
So basically we dont want any nasty dark coloured foreign doctors, just the nice EU white ones from wealthy countries!!
Well yes, that was sort of my point really, it is OK for open migration from countries within the EEA but the criteria for Tier 1 and Tier 2 have been toughened recently.
Not quoting any of the above I would just like to point out that the Highly Skilled Migrant worker programme no longer exists and it is now incorporated into Tier 1 of the points based system for those wishing to come to the UK to work from outside of the EEA countries. Some of the criteria for those wishing to enter the UK under Tier 1 are incredibly difficult to reach if that person is wishing to come from the third world country. The criteria is such that the person has to reach I think, 75 points which are made up from level of education (min Msc), level of salary (was £30k but I think it has increased lately) English language skills, money to support yourself. We are talking doctors, dentist etc. The criteria was recently made more difficult.
I have just had a good tidy up in this thread, deleting any references to racism and east hating west and likewise to try and bring it back to the original request.
I apologise to anyone whose sensible post has been deleted where it quoted one of the posts that warranted deletion.
If you had stuck to the original nickname some 4 years ago, do you realise you would more than likely be at the top of the leader board???? Is that not incentive enough???
Turkish or not, if they had belly buttons like normal fellows, then, assuming that multiple gods did not give birth to them and that only one did, are they not related? Having belly buttons make them siblings and being siblings hints at the notion of incest - hence slightly retarded offsprings.
Evil Amerikans resort to getting the voting body drunk, overeaten or, in case of our Texan member, should the above not work, she can make use of her deer-hunting gear. Bed Brits immediately declare their readiness to equip the commitee with gimmicks (pink laptops, mobiles) they´d surely offered cars if it weren´t for the fact that nobody likes driving with the steering wheel on the wrong side. Even our cheeky members on crusade to annihilate the evil west and introduce the peace and justice like the middle east stand a better chance than me, as it´s not the mods who vote this time but a group of totally anonimous people.
Now, I´m neither as young nor intelligent as AE, cannot cook like Lis, can´t beat GG in drinking, lack Tami´s vulgarity or LL´s laptop distribution centre, and have incomparably less power than Kitty...what can I offer?
My laptop distribution center??? No I deal in saucepans
no but Kurdish terrorists have the right to kill Turkish soldiers and civilians right?
Does anyone have the right to kill anyone else?? No they do not!
I think it is time you started to think about what you are posting and why. What are you tryinhg to achieve and who are you trying to persuade? I don´t agree with anyone opening fire on anyone else but it happens and it is not always to do with race or religion.
Leader of Muslim separatist group killed in Detroit
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A leader of a Muslim separatist group was shot and killed by authorities in the Detroit area on Wednesday as they moved to arrest him on federal criminal charges, the FBI said in a statement.
Luqman Ameen Abdullah, 53, was a leader in a group known as Ummah or "the brotherhood," a mostly African-American group of converts to Islam that seeks to establish a separate Sharia law-governed state within the United States, the FBI said.
Abdullah and 10 other people were charged with conspiring to commit federal crimes, including theft from interstate shipments, mail fraud, illegal possession and sale of firearms, and tampering with motor vehicle identification numbers.
None was charged with terrorism or terrorism-related crimes.
Federal agents carried out a series of arrests on Wednesday, ordering suspects to surrender.
"At one location, four suspects surrendered and were arrested without incident. Luqman Ameen Abdullah did not surrender and fired his weapon. An exchange of gun fire followed and Abdullah was killed," the FBI statement said.
Abdullah had espoused the use of violence against law enforcement, and had trained members of his group in use of firearms and martial arts in anticipation of some type of action against the government, according to an affidavit unsealed on Wednesday.
The group Ummah consists primarily of people who converted to Islam while serving sentences in various U.S. prisons, Detroit television station WDIV reported on its website.
The FBI said the group was led by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, a major figure in the militant Black Panther party in the 1960s. Brown is serving a prison sentence for the murder of two police officers in Georgia.
Of course we are, we are just trying to imagine that collection Now, what colour are they? Are there any extraordinary things you cooked/simmered/stir-fried/fried/stewed/baked/deep-fried/boiled/steamed in them? How do you wash them? Or scrub them?
The blogger, Emre Kizilkaya, is a columnist of Hurriyet and he writes about foreign affairs, I take it as a credible source but let`s wait and see until the news is spread.
Well everyone seems pretty sure that Tony Blair will get it except most of the UK!
What a great exhibition! I have been to similar types of exhibitions in the British Museum and they are wonderfully done. I searched on La Monde and not a thing about it, so did a search for the Grand Palais. There is just a small piece and the weblink does not work.
(The British Empire, France, Italy, Japan, Greece, Romania, and the Serb- Croat-Slovene State) voted in unison in opposition to Turkey, the representative from Ireland was an exception; in each vote, he raised his hand in favor of Turkey’s interests. Beyatlý noticed this unusual person, and could not help asking him the reason. “I am obliged to do it. Not only I, but are all Irish men and women,” said the Irish representative. “When we suffered from famine and disease, your Ottoman ancestors shipped loads of food and monetary donations. We have never forgotten the friendly hand extended to us in our difficult times. Your nation deserves to be supported on every occasion.” Ireland was ridden with famine and disease between 1845 and 1849. Also known as the Great Hunger, this famine had lasting effects: at least one million people died due to famine-related diseases and more than one million Irish fled, mainly to the United States, England, Canada, and Australia. Ottoman Sultan Abdülmecid sent five ships full of food supplies and funds as charity. However, the British administration did not give permission for these ships to enter the ports of Belfast or Dublin. Taner Baytok, former Turkish ambassador to Ireland, recounts in his memoirs that these ships secretly discharged their load in Drogheda, a town approximately 70 miles north of Dublin. In May 2, 1995, commemorating this charity, the mayor of Drogheda, Alderman Frank Goddfrey, paid honor to Baytok and erected a plaque in the Westcourt Hotel, which was then the City Hall where Turkish seamen stayed.2 Baytok says he first learned of this act of charity from an article by Thomas P. O’Neill published in The Threshold magazine in 1957. The Otoman sultan declared that he would donate £10,000, but on the orders of Queen Victoria the British Ambassador in Istanbul informed the Sultan that he should reduce this amount, for the Queen’s donation was only £2,000. As noted in the letter of gratitude from the “noblemen, gentlemen, and inhabitants of Ireland,” the amount donated by Sultan Abdülmecid was reduced by the Queen to one thousand pounds. Ottoman efforts to provide food and lessen the pains of the Irish people, despite political obstacles and the long distance, certainly deserves to be appreciated.It is a case study that should be analyzed carefully, not only as historical evidence for the friendship between two nations, but also as a perfect example that differences of race, religion, or language should not prevent humanitarian aid. This generous charity from a Muslim sultan to a Christian nation is also important, particularly in our time when Muslims are often unfairly accused of human rights violations. Likewise, the appreciative plaque and overall reaction of the Irish society in return for this charity deserves to be applauded. We hope that the Turkish-Irish friendship sets a model for peace among different nations.
Very interesting and thanks to our friend Falcetus for the translation.
But may I ask, who are you referring to when you say "The British Empire"? I assume you mean United Kingdom. What are you referring to in your first sentance?
My daughter got swine flu two weeks ago. And believe me there was no sneezing, coughing or a runny nose... just diarrhoea and very persistent fever. For your info!!
I think it is not as dangerous as they are saying, unless you have an underlying disease such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease...
But healthy people have died too! Cases have doubled in the last week or so in the UK, so I think it is a problem especially when you are in a crowded space! There are a variety of symptoms, of which you mention just two. It is probably not as dangerous as they lead us to believe, but it can soon wipe out a premiership football team!!
yes I do know who Nick Griffin and I know he believes the holocaust did not happen and again yes I know he rubs shoulders with the Klu Klux Klan. What i should have said was I PERSONALLY do not know any Christians who do not believe the holocaust happened.
Sorry I thought you were from America and assumed you would not have heard of him..... after all he of little importance
He is playing a dangerous game though. We all know what his REAL views are, but to try and groom himself and become more mainstream and popular, he is watering his views down. Unfortunately there are a few gullible people out there who will believe every word he says....
Oh right, Nick Griffin, for a moment I wondered who you were ferring too!
Without Tami and TheHandsom is the forum going to be subjected to travel plans, knitting patterns, cooking tips and love poems?
(Apart from the occasional Yoda style, self important post from AlphaF of course)
Funny you should say that............ see new thread that I started:
"A place for sharing knitting and crochet tips"
A comfortable and cosy place to hang out and share tips and patterns, sipping your Earl grey, whilst you wait for your translations, a goody goody alternative to hanging out in the "Translation Lounge"
"Griffin did not challenge the Dimbleby quotes but denied a quote in the Daily Mail that he had said that black people walked like monkeys. He then struggled as a young Jewish man wearing a skullcap challenged him to explain why he had likened the "orthodox opinion" that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust to the old "orthodox opinion" that the earth was flat.
Griffin was jeered as he struggled to explain his stance on the Holocaust. "I cannot explain why I used to say those things," he said as he blamed his inability to spell out his thinking on the threat of being deported under the European arrest warrant to France and Germany where Holocaust denial is illegal.
Griffin said he now accepted that Jews were murdered after hearing British radio intercepts of German transmissions which showed there had been a mass murder of Jews on the eastern front. "What about Auschwitz," Straw asked of the extermination camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. "You don´t need a subsequent radio intercept to find out that people were gassed at Auschwitz."
The justice secretary dubbed Griffinthe Dr Strangelove of British politics — referring to the German scientist, played by Peter Sellers, who keeps referring to the US president as Mein Fuhrer.
A British Asian man was clapped when he accused Griffin of wanting to hound him out of Britain. "You´d be surprised how many people would have a whip-round to buy you a ticket and your supporters to go to the South Pole. It is a colourless landscape that will suit you fine."
In a sign of the BBC´s determination to put pressure on Griffin, Dimbleby asked why he had met Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. Griffin said Duke was a non-violent figure, prompting laughter."
Oh dear God save us from this man!
He made me cringe at how intellectually inept he is! Loved Bonnie Greer and how she sat with her back to him..... and she cringed when he tried to touch her
An amazing number of Christians seem to think that hollocaust was a lie cooked up by Jews themselves.
I do not know any Christians who believe the holocaust did not happen
Nick Griffin but only slyly denies it.............. (he is the BNP leader in the UK Christine just in case you are unaware, he rubs shoulders with Klu Klux Klan)
You can buy it as tablets to swallow, from phatmacies... or as a herb to brew and drink like a tea. Totally harmless, unless you have high blood tension problems (if you do, stay away from it)
See map below for current size of the epidemic, darker the color higher the risk.
There is no better remedy than trying to avoid contact with those that might have it.......... hence I look forward to my trips to London and being crammed in underground carriages with people sneezing and coughing all around
You may believe this to be true, but I would remind you that the UK have recently elected TWO members of the European Parliament who are from the nazi supporting BNP party...
Yes I don´t need to be reminded , Nick Griffin did that on Thursday night! Oh what a gem he is, I think I will join his party just to make Tami happy!
btw, don´t forget the BNP were the National Front before so we have always been a VERY Nazi Christian country.......... River of Blood, Braford riots and all that, with that I conclude that Tami is right on every front!!!
I personally think it is totally unacceptable to post someones [private? allbeit juvenile] conversation on a public forum unless you have their express permission.
I`m wondering why this is an issue for the christians. how about the fact that the christian countries are getting more and more christian and nazist? that doesn`t seem to bother the christians much.
And which Christian countries would they be? Most European countries could not be more cosmopolitan if they tried! Natzism is a minoirity just like Islamic militants are..................... and most Christians hate both.... You always refer to the minority rather than the majority and no one on here is persuaded by your [not very persuasive] rhetoric.
Well, just say for arguments sake that Adam and Eve ACTUALLY existed and that it is not just a story.....Adam and Eve did not have a human mother/father but where created by God.....therefore, it is safe to assume that there would not be a NEED for a belly button. Now, if they were not born of human parents and since a belly button is the means by which a fetus gets it´s nutrients via the umbilical cord during pregnancy, then I would have to say NO, Adam and Eve did NOT have belly buttons!
This has been my very scientific explaination of an otherwise strange question! Please do me the honor of answering my strange question:
Is the Lockness Monster green or red?
And an even more burning question....where Adam and Eve Turkish?
Elisabeth, this is incredibly thought provoking ............. ahhhh now the Lockness Monster, is he related to the Yeti ?
Unfortunately the world gets smaller and smaller and more people are travelling - and... shocking as it may seem, hearing about other people´s trips are about as interesting as watching paint dry
Haha! Funny you should say that, I had it pointed out to me by a valued member of this site, that writing essays about our travels was arrogant, dull and uninteresting .......... so I have written my last one Off to watch my pumpkins grow...........
At first I didn´t understand the sentence too but it had to be :
to, out, of, up, from, out, of, in, under, for
It isn´t a sentence but words (prepositions)
Yes I know, that is what I wrote! It would be better if he could say which of these he wanted to use, or does he want to use them all (in there turn). Most of them would not make any sense, so hopefully between myself and LIR we have given him some options for translation.
What did you bring that book that I didn´t want to be read to out of up from out of in under for?
Who can translate this to Turkish for me correctly? Or explain it to me in English if they have the same trouble?
I can only decode the last one (what ... for?)
I am not sure that anyone could translate this to Turkish without it first making sense in English.
I am not sure why you have written the words at the end of the sentance in red and what are they supposed to mean? Are they different endings to the sentance?
"What did you bring the book that I didn´t want to read for?" (using "what" at the beginning of the sentance and "for" at the end, gives the sentance a bit of a sarcastic tone).
"What did you bring that book for? I didn´t want to read it"
or it could read
"Why did you bring the book that I didn´t want to read?" (A slightly softer tone)
Just hold on a minute, I think the OP was looking for a more reverent response to this thread so let us show a little bit of decorum here. I will add my piece when I regain my composure.
I hope I am not being thick here! but who is the OP??
and you are obviously struggling with your composure
Went to bad to late yesterday, so moved my alarmclock up to 9 ´o clock in the morning... Woke up from the alarm, and pulled a muscle in my neck...Thought to myself "ouch! I´ll lay down for five minutes to make the pain less". So I stood up after five minutes...only turns out it wasn´t five minutes later but one and a half hour later! ARGHHHHHH
what`s mothman? I took a look at the site but it doesnt show the picture, and when I click on the "pictures" section it shows some fetish pictures. wondering how you found that site.
No, you are right ............. but all I get a pictures of waxing kits
ohh good old Blue peter it´s been with me since I was a kid
It has already done the bit about Turkey, they followed it as a segment for a few weeks reporting about Turkey etc etc . The last one can been seen still on BBC i player, but the others are too old. In the last one two presenters swam the across the Bosphorous River. Not really say much about Turkey in this one but the others were ok . And no I would not normally be watching Blue Peter ..hahaa
the issue of Turkish men being into Latin women comes down to the shape and size of the hips. If we are talking about the world famous Latin booty that gets jiggy jiggy then we are surely into it. On the other hand, if we are talking about La Latina the ´naggy´ then we shall refrain...
Don´t take catwoman´s input seriously. She is neither Turkish nor is she a Turkish man (as the nick suggests)...
Welcome to class ManDingo, any relation to Rocco Siffredi by any chance??
It must be the circles you mix in CW - most of the males I know under 30 are very self sufficient, do all the main cooking in the house and don´t make a big song and dance about it
Now it is the deadline on the age thing, my son is above the deadline age and does all the cooking at home and has always been very self sufficient (due to the fact that I was an awful mother  
Well, as I said, surely most people leave for PERSONAL reasons, but it is always written as "user´s request". It implies that the others left for business reasons!!
Doh!! Get what you mean - now who is the Salak round here??
Wondering why thehandsom was deleted "for personal reasons" why everyone else who leaves is "user´s request".
Now...this either implies that thehandsom was deleted against his will because of the personal reasons of a moderator, OR....... the others all left for impersonal reasons - maybe "business reasons"?
Ahh the mysteries/irregularities of TC
Haha! Could it not be for HIS personal reasons??? But it seems that no one is that bothered anyway
there are already churches in Iraq libralady. and that`s why you shouldn`t believe anything the christian media says.
Yes I know, I saw a documentary about a preacher who feared for his life on a daily basis because of his belief. He had established a church for the Christian ex pats living there. I did not say Iraq on purpose, I wrote Muslim countries.......
Three men have died and others have survived a wave of attacks that Scotland Yard is struggling to combat.
At stake is the multi-million-pound heroin racket run by Turkish gangs in North London.
Two years ago police convicted members of the infamous Baybasin gang, whose members got long jail sentences.
But that success created a power vacuum which other gangs - principally the Tottenham Boys and the Hackney Bombers - are trying to fill at any cost.
"Even though heroin prices have dropped there is a lot of money to be made," one reformed heroin trafficker told me.
"Life has never been so cheap and gangs are willing to kill to get control.
"One of the issues at the moment is that gangs are stealing each other´s customers."
The murder of shopkeeper Ahmet Paytak, 50, was a chilling, professional hit by two killers who roared up to his store in Holloway on a motorcycle in March.
The pillion passenger leaped off the bike, ran into the shop and shot dead Mr Paytak and injured his son Huseyin, 21.
The attackers were in and out in 10 seconds.
Police believe Mr Paytak was shot in a case of mistaken identity, but his murder appears to have fuelled a string of shootings across North London.
Earlier this month businessman Otkay Erbasli, 23, was shot as his Range Rover pulled up at traffic lights in Tottenham.
Bullet holes in Range Rover window
Three days later, shop worker Cem Duzgun, 21, was gunned down as he left a social club near Clapton railway station.
Police have sent more officers into the area, including firearms teams, gang specialists and search squads.
A series of raids has recovered four weapons and some cannabis, but little else.
Commander Stephen Kavanagh said: "There was some sort of dispute between two crime groups in January and that seems to have sparked a level of violence we haven´t seen before.
"We are doing what we can, but we won´t stop this alone. We need witnesses and others with information within the Turkish and Kurdish communities to come and speak to us. I´m sure they will eventually."
Kurds are a species that is capable of converting into a Turk when they kill their daughters/wifes or smuggle stuff. So no, they are Turks!
I guess it is what suits at the time! Recently three "Kurds" (father and two brothers) in London were convicted of murdering the daughter (age 15) in an honour killing, for falling in love with the wrong man. Her body has never been found. They also tried to kill the boy.
Actually the word "abazan" can be used for both male & female. So the women who came to Turkey from miles away seems more "abazan". Can we count Dobrawski women too ? One thing i have to admit Turks & Italians(are Turks as well ) are more talented to get what they want...
p.s : sorry for being naughty
Don´t apologise for being naughty.... we need some fun here
Christian demonstration in Duhuk calls for self-rule
October 2, 2008 - 01:29:28
DUHUK / Aswat al-Iraq: Some 10,000 Christians demonstrated in the northern Iraq city of Duhuk on Thursday demanding a self-rule in their areas and restore an article granting them representation in local councils to the law on provincial elections. “The demonstrators will present an official memo to the local authorities in Duhuk province to back their efforts and help them demand the rights of our people,” Jamal Zeno, the chief of the Chaldo-Assyrian Popular Council, told Aswat al-Iraq. “The demonstrations will continue and calls to have self-rule for the Chaldeo-Assyrian people in their areas included into the constitution will never stop,” Zeno said.
And why not?? If we can build Mosques and Hindu temples etc in the UK why not build churches in a Muslim country?
(Sorry, just saw on the news that it snowed heavily in Poland and got that natzi-xmas mood )
Actually you are all wrong!!! It is, 4 calling birds........., 3 french hens, 2 Turtle dove and THEN a partidge in a pear tree (if ONLY I had a pear tree  
I decided no it is NOT the 10 Lords a leeping or the 11 Pipers piping or the 12 drummer drumming
That Obama hardly had time to deserve a peace prize in the Office is correct, but not the main concern. The main concern is that Nobel Prize, as a Western institution, may be a total farce.
So, what else may be rotten in the Western Kingdom?
Perhaps dear Alpha, you should say, Was is NOT rotten in the Western Kingdom (of which there is not King?)
A RADICAL Muslim group sparked outrage last night as it launched a massive campaign to impose sharia law on Britain.
The fanatical group Islam4UK has announced plans to hold a potentially incendiary rally in London later this month. And it is calling for a complete upheaval of the British legal system, its officials and legislation. Members have urged Muslims from all over Britain to converge on the capital on October 31 for a procession to demand the full implementation of sharia law. On a website to promote their cause they deride British institutions, showing a mock-up picture of Nelson’s Column surmounted by a minaret. Plans for the demonstration have been delivered to the Metropolitan Police and could see up to 5,000 extremists marching to demand the controversial system.
The procession – dubbed March 4 Shari’ah – will start at the House of Commons, which the group’s website describes as the “very place where the lives of millions of people in the UK are changed and it is from here where unjust wars are launched”. The group then intends to march to 10 Downing Street and “call for the removal of the tyrant Gordon Brown from power”. The march will then converge on Trafalgar Square where protesters expect it “will gather even more support from tourists and members of the public, making clear in the heart of London the need for Shari’ah in society”.
The group declared: “We hereby request all Muslims in the United Kingdom, in Manchester, Leeds, Cardiff, Glasgow and all other places to join us and collectively declare that as submitters to Almighty Allah, we have had enough of democracy and man-made law and the depravity of the British culture.
“On this day we will call for a complete upheaval of the British ruling system its members and legislature, and demand the full implementation of Shari’ah in Britain.”
As an english person you are supposed to know that How Shakespeare improved your language. He is the best playwright ever and it is really not arguable. I cant imagine English Language and literature and Theatre without Shakespeare. Friends, Romans please dont be so relentless
Ugggg! What a nasty looking little beast! That is why I hate to not see the bottom of the sea I am swimming in, cos of little critters like these swimming around my legs.............
Thanks to John for drawing our attention to it!!!!!!
Shakespeare is completely overrated in my opinion! He was a soap opera writer for the times (admittedly with some beautiful prose) but hardly deserved of the almost religious devotion that he has gained...
joke?? or you think, in one year US will get rid of its double-faced warmongering politics with the leadership of Obama, really??
Its better to read the hint that AlphaF posted. FYI, war, colonization, weapon trade and interfering other countries internal affairs are the lifebloods of US. Thats why Obama is not able to deviate from these, because he is also directed by those well heeled neocons who are mainly jews. Obama can be a good person but he has no power, he was just chosen to mend the image of US so maybe his period will be a little uneventful but after then generally nothing will change...
I have to agree with you Armegon, sadly the president is but a puppet of his administration. But I wonder if he still would have received the prize had he not become president and it would not be sitting in the hands of John McCain and being polished by Sarah Palin?? Well I am glad that it is Obama in power right now and not the republican alternative.
I am sure the attention this has received in the media will surely make the prize givers think twice about how and who they choose as their target. Obama through no fault of his own has gone from Mr Popular to Mr Unpopular overnight.
it`s always good to see naive people like you who believe that Obama is any different from the others. Is warmongering on the Afghanistan invasion and keeping the documents showing the crimes in Iraq secret the way how Obama "undos" what America has done? Has Obama lifted the fascistic American embargo on Cuba? any attempts? will he get Bush tried as a war criminal?any chance we will see this christian nazi hanged like what you did to Saddam?
so the president`s color has changed, so no one can hold America responsible for the genocide it has been carrying out in Iraq anymore right? what did Obama do for the 1 million of people his country genocided in Iraq?
btw, keep your racism accusations for your own fellow citizens, we are not familiar with the context of white oppression in America. you`re being as funny as those jews who accuse anyone criticizing Israel of "antisemitism".
Just one small point, Afganistan is a NATO led operation and Turkey is part of that, and he has had some talks with Raol in Cuba, but would not Cuba be far better off without Americans invading their country and taking over????
Merhaba everybody im Randa from Egypt & i have just graduated from faculty of Pharmacy . I really love turkey soooooooo much & i love turkish culture & people , im new in this forum & i hope to have good turkish friends here & learning turkish too , byeeeeee.
Welcome and congratulations! I hope you enjoy being a member of Turkish Class
i really do appreciate all your efforts ,kind and close concern about me.
i did like that challange very much but unfortunately i must let you know that i have been in bed for more than ten days becaue of terrible flue i m having.i m still on medication and i guess it will tale some more time for me to recocer completely..
i rarely have time to check my mails as i still feel very weak.i cannot even move my fingers....
i cannot eat as i have no apetite..
i keep coughing all the time..
i have a high fever (38+) but pls keep adding some nice cartoons which make me so happy ..
it is nice to know that i have friends all over the world...
i ll be with you asap..
pls.pray for me ..
all the best from antalya
Hope you are soon feeling better, here is some medicine for you.... (Especially designed for man flu which sounds as though you have)
The reason lies with you not with the Turkish men. It is common for women who are insecure about the way they look or otherwise have fading looks to go for the stereotypical Turkish man, the guys who tells you ´You´re so beautiful!´, ´I love you!´ or otherwise pleads, begs or debases himself in other ways every five minutes. The compliments feed an undernourished ego and that makes plain jane feel like Queen Jane.
1) The best women are intelligent and confident about the way they look and feel amazing even without a man telling them that they are. 2) These kinds of women tend not to be so taken-in when they visit Turkey, 3) some girls I knew have even claimed to find such attention nauseating.
1) True
2) True
3) True (not that you know me of course!)
In fact you must have written a book on it
Edited (10/12/2009) by libralady
[Felt the need to add some colour :)]
What is the percentage of those who get educated in Celtic compared to those educated in English? I bet less than 5%, right?
I think you will Celtic is far more wide spread than you think and is spoken in Cornwall (a county in the south of England) Wales, Isle of Man (who also speak a language called Manx), Scotland and Ireland, plus Brittainy in France. But that does not mean we provide translations in every day life as those areas mentioned above except Brittainy, would learn English as the first language although there are some parts in the Scottish Islands that are trying to re-introduce Celtic as their first language.
In Wales and England there are over one million Welsh speakers and much is provided in Welsh as well as English. I know is the north of Wales, there is a strong nationalistic feeling and some people only speak Welsh. We provide training courses in Welsh for Welsh speakers.
But then Great Britain is a bit different from Turkey, as we are know as the 4 nations, and each nation have some of their own laws or variations on English law and govern themselves to an extent. As for Wales, they have their own parliament. Scotland as you know from the recent release of the Lockerbie bomber also have their own regulatory body.
He is a nationalist and and admin in another Turkish forum site; he keeps holding/delaying my posts because he does not like my ideas..
..why has he decided to follow me out of blue?
I am getting paranoid?!!!
If you are so paranoid about it why mention it in a public forum and draw attention to the fact you have a twitter account and confirming to the person who has decided to follow you that they in fact are following the person they intended to.
Boiling beetroot sounds much more productive - but dont forget to come back and write an essay on your experiences (and let us know where you will be going next!)
Yehhhh beetroot has won..... oh and I will be going to my kitchen next
User ´need_love33´ alternately reviewing statistics and pming! Nice ´up-front´ nickname - with reason for using Turkish class being ´meet new friends and maybe more´ - I give him a week before he´s ´spammed out´
And by the way, if you´re reading this nl33 - THIS IS NOT A DATING SITE!!!
He already knows! He is an old hand...... they really must think about changing their profile pics so they are not so easily recognised (but he is it playing safe by having need_love33m as a standby)
hi Fatimah! I really appreciated your thoughts and feelings about Turkish guys! I am interested in meeting you! My mmessenger adress is muzafferalibayram@hotmail.com also I have got facebook It is MUZAFFER ALI BAYRAM put this namr and u will see my photo in black shirt
I n 1923 when this treaty was signed, were the "minorities" the same as they are now? I am not so sure that a treaty signed in 1923 can be taken so seriously and should be reviewed....
I will be teaching a class on the origin of the Turkish alphabet. I don´t know ANYTHING about it but we can sit in the lounge and argue about it for a few days. We will also be talking about how the ridiculous Chinese writing is and how unfair it is that all those ethnic groups in China must learn it! While we are at it....lets pick on the Russians too.....stupid alphabet they have....etc.....our subtopic will be "the world needs to speak English, because it is more convenient for ME!"
It´s all Greek to me
Being serious now,
can we spend several days (in the translation lounge drinking copious amounts of alcohol) arguing the pros and cons of use of those silly little dots above letters
and
can we discuss why the French let you speak to them in French then answer back in English??
But some of them are getting better and better - they send lengthy messages with the things they want to ask about listed in points! I hate to admit it but I was so impressed getting it that I decided not to hit the spam button!
But they are not all very inventive..... especially when you get the same spam message 4 times!
It sounds like the politically incorrect, middle class "Janet and John" books that were introduced in primary schools in the UK in the 1940s to teach 5/6 year olds to read and write! They continued to be used until the 1970s.
They are now considered to be funny - in fact many parodies have been made about them
The ones above are thoughts that I thought were unique to me - its great to find out that others feel exactly the same!!!
Me too! So we are not so unique as we first thought we are ............... and I am definitely worth more than a stinking 50$ Anyway, what is wrong with $50..... that is a bit more English
Abstract-As the average amount of time spent on the Internet is rapidly increasing, the starting age of Internet users is steadily decreasing. Thus, parents, psychologists, educators, technology creators and lawmakers must become aware of the potential risks and rewards of this phenomenon. In the light of these perspectives, this study aims to investigate the relationships among Internet usage, Internet attitudes and loneliness of Turkish adolescents. A survey method was used for the study and the data were collected by an Internet usage questionnaire, Internet attitudes scale and UCLA loneliness scale. 1049 adolescents completed the questionnaires pertaining to their own internet usage, internet attitudes and feelings of loneliness. At the end of the study, it was revealed that Turkish adolescents’ loneliness was associated with both increased Internet usage and Internet attitudes. Adolescents who reported excessive uses of the Internet for web surfing, instant messaging, emailing and online games had a significantly higher mean score of loneliness than those who did not. In addition, male adolescents reported a higher frequency of Internet usage and more loneliness than females. Male adolescents reported a higher frequency of web surfing and online games than females. However, females reported a higher frequency of e-mailing by Yavuz Erdogan
More in the full article from cyberpsychology journal-A very interesting read in my opinion,only wondering what results can be found in case of adults?
You know what irritates me? People who talk about EU stuff and have no knowledge about the history of the EU. Ireland is one of the countries that had the most benefit from the EU when it entered, with HUGE amounts of money being pumped into the country to develop it (just like for example Spain) It´s a bit silly to be helped by an organization, for years and years and YEARS get more money from the organization then putting money into it. And then when other countries want to enter it, who are in the same position as your own country was not so long ago, go "oh nooo, we don´t want those people in our little group"
Don´t send flowers to your Turkish man - they will go straight into the bin. Send something of value - a laptop, cell phone perhaps? Failing that a big wad of cash always goes down well
Awwww you will take the wind out of her sails................ I am sure someone like Graham Norton would really appreciate a lovely bunch of flowers
Oh btw those of you who are unsure who Graham Norton is, he is sort of "in touch with his feminine side"
Edited (9/26/2009) by libralady Edited (9/26/2009) by libralady
[missed the "in" out of feminine.....]
They don`t hate other christians because of their religion but they hate the Turks because of their religion.
You do talk a load of crap, what makes you think they hate Turks? And I think you are a little bit wrong about Christians not hating other Christians - Northern Island, IRA, Catholics against Protestants (Two Christian factions)
here is a quote from the leaflets of christian nazist party of england (bnp);
"oppose the dangerous drive to give 80 million Muslim Turks the right to swamp Britain"
Just because their counterparts in ireland didnt use the word "muslim" doesn`t make what you say true.
Tami, bloody hell, you are annoying me now and that takes some doing!!!! Yes you are right the BNP do oppose immigration - ALL IMMIGRATION and the BNP are a very small minority in the UK. And where the hell do you get the idea that the BNP are Christians??? They are scum.
Ireland has been hit hardest by the recession and there are not enough jobs for those that live there so what would happen to the new migrants?? The Romanians were living on round-a-bouts in the middle of roads and most were expartriated because they could not get jobs. So what is the point of moving to a country where you CANT GET A JOB!
As for Ireland they are kicking up abpout the Treaty of Lisbon which gives Brussels the right to more ruling over what Ireland does and it has nothing to do with Muslims. They have already voted against it once and it was a resounding no.
I am totally offended by the implication you are making that we (UK) are all BNP supporters. It is time you started to bang another drum. Go watch the Teletubbies or something.
Not here...a decorative stone is used in people´s landscaping. A rock is something "small" found along the road you would skip accross a creek. A pebble is even smaller maybe used in your fish tank..Although you could also put a rock in your fish tank and maybe even a stone depending on how large your tank is. A boulder is bigger than a stone...also found in landscaping but more often in the mountains. Anything else you want to know about stones here?
How very confusing, the decorative pieces of geology in our gardens (UK) are called "rocks" and the bits of geology on my drive way is called shingle (sort of like gravel) but shingle can be graded by size...... I would put stones in my fish tank (if I had one). A boulder is something where we can agree.......... we find them on mountains too!
No, the only stones sitting around are in people´s landscaping. We only have pebbles and small rocks. . But I think downtown they use baseball bats....
Isn´t small rock a stone? I would call "stone" in someones landscaping a "rock" Looks like you are between a rock and a hard place on this one
The UKIP leaflet on the Lisbon Treaty, which is reproduced on the website www.euinfo.ie, alleges Lisbon gives the EU full control of immigration and warns that Turkey’s entry to the EU will lead to more mass migration of cheap labour. It portrays an image of a turkey with a medallion around its neck with the message: “Free movement for 75 million people.”
Do you think so? I bet anything you like there will be restrictions on Turks entering the UK just like those for Romania and Bulgaria (UKBA has those details). And there are other EU states that have entry restrictions, so it wont be a clear cut mass migration into the EU.
But how about the many jobs, visitors he will bring amongst destroying the countryside.....is it good for your economy...hmmm sounds like the local government is for it. But I do agree it is sickening when I see one Walmart/Kroger close and only to open a bigger one down the street. Then you have a vacant building just taking up space. I hate real estate...but on the other hand it does create jobs...golf courses can be attractive...but put a big sky scraper up with apartments..is even worse.
I agree on the economic view point about jobs, but I don´t think it would create that many. the whole sustainability argument has to be considered but I think the damage to the environment far out weighs any benefits in terms of social and economic benefits.
It´s Bydands neck of the woods so wonder what his opinion of it is.........
But this has been going on some time - why should he be able to destroy swathes of beautiful countryside to pad out his already bulging bank balance just because he has tons of cash?? Good on them I say!
Apparently condoms have a positive effect on Global Warming due to the limiting effect they have on population growth. It is 5 times cheaper as a means of preventing global warming than other green technologies.
The UN estimate that some 40% of all pregnancies worldwide are unintended. If the basic family planning needs were met (come on Popey!!!) then 34 gigatons of carbon dioxide would be saved. Equivalent to nearly 6 times the annual emissions of the US and almost 60 times the UK´s annual total.
The UN suggests that meeting basic family planning needs would reduce unintended births by 72% (no method is 100% fail safe!) which would then reduce the projected population in 2050 by half a billion.(2050 is when we are supposed have stabilised the earths mean temperature rise at 2 dec C if the world meets its carbon reduction aims)
So Popey if you want to contribute to saving the planet by reducing carbon emission then vote for the condom.
(Synopsis of an article written by London School of Economics for the journal Environmentalist)
Edited (9/24/2009) by libralady
[Fast fingers do it again!]
I asked because this look fits the description of how i portray a feminist, i know its not good to classify people according to their looks but somehow thats rooted on my mind. I am sorry if i offended any feminist here
Ahhh but that was the whole point , that look is her trademark along with the regular humilation of contestants. Like AE says, she declares her face lift and her regular botox injections without defence (in a mind your own business way!!) She is actually very tiny and petite and not the least bit feminist (looking) but she can put a good fight when people have been trod upon and she is well known for campaigning on peoples consumer rights.
Turkey needs to increase the proportion of women in the workforce in order to accelerate economic growth, according to a study by the World Bank and Turkey’s State Planning Organization.
I don´t know about you, but I would run the opposite direction from recommendations of the World Bank.
"..........Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars. They funnel money from the World Bank, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), and other foreign "aid" organizations into the coffers of huge corporations and the pockets of a few wealthy families who control the planet´s natural resources. Their tools included fraudulent financial reports, rigged elections, payoffs, extortion, sex, and murder. They play a game as old as empire, but one that has taken on new and terrifying dimensions during this time of globalization."
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Turkey needs to increase the proportion of women in the workforce in order to accelerate economic growth, according to a study by the World Bank and Turkey’s State Planning Organization.
Only 22 percent of Turkish women have jobs or are looking for work, World Bank economist Diego Angel-Urdinola said at a press conference in Istanbul Wednesday to preview the study. That’s lower than Iran or Afghanistan, and compares with an average of 62 percent in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, or OECD, the report said.
Women’s participation in the labor force has fallen in Turkey from 34 percent in 1988, while in the OECD it has been rising, according to the report. That’s happening even as
Turkish women get married later, have fewer children and reach higher education levels.
The main reason is that Turks have been migrating from rural areas, where women traditionally are involved in unpaid agricultural work, to cities where they’re more likely to stay at home, the report said.
Key obstacles to urban women finding jobs include cultural traditions that define women’s role as caring for children at home, as well as a lack of subsidized or affordable childcare and pre-school education, the study said.
Only about 30 percent of Turkish children aged between four and six were in education as of 2006, a level similar to sub- Saharan Africa, though the figure has probably risen since then, said Meltem Aran, a World Bank economist.
It is simply quite dissapointing to be behind Iran and Afghanistan and quite worrying the percentage of women dropped from from 34% to 22% since 1988..
I guess in the end, We should somehow go through a huge dilemma at national scale, such as either ´economic prosperity´ or ´preserving the old values´ (as well as the security of male population)
I always find these studies interesting. When they say only 22% of women are in work what spectrum of work are they referring to? I guess they mean in work in big cities and towns where they are recorded and the figure does not account for those who are working on the family farms gratis. Or is the 22% including the women who work on the land unpaid? I am a little confused by this as where I was in Turkey recently it seemed that all the women were working and had the little children with them. And children old enough (from about 10 upwards I would say) were also doing their bit.
I wonder what would and will happen to the rural life and the predominatly agricultural lifestyle of many Turks if they migrate into towns and cities looking for work. Farms would not exist in Turkey if it were not for the family involvement. I would also think that unemployment would rise in those cities/towns as there would not be enough work for everyone and with it already 15% or more in Turkey would cause more problems.
Again, what does that 15% include? That would be interesting to understand too. (Not mentioned in this article)
As for children between 4 and 6 being in education, I would not have thought that was too unusual and I personally think 4 is too young for school and some European countries children do not start school until 5 or 6. Now if the report was saying that 6 to 8 years old were not in school then that would be far more worrying.
Birdy, not that I am complaining, but you didn´t make it clear enough that my lecture on Polish Vices actually was a vodka-drinking experience! That accounts for the poor turn-up. Tami wanted to join but he´s underage so I couldn´t have let him in. The result is I was there on my own, got totally wasted and now suffer from a massive hangover!
Where´s the strong will class? I desperately need it.
BTW I did want to sign up for the shooting and self-defence class but it seems we have a case of Dąbrowkisism here! (Should I confess at this point that I used to be a regional junior champion in military training rifle shooting?)
Perhaps we could join forces on this being a pretty hot shot with a 2.2 rifle myself
what kind of place is this? I understand it is quite a big place, but what is it like here???
What was you expecting it to be? A town or something? Perhaps you buy should by yourself a Rough Guide to Turkey as a starting point to learn more about the geography of Turkey.
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Look....if you want the truth...he´s a doctor who WAS going to specialise in plastic surgery and 3 years ago he promised me a free facelift once he had qualified! Now I find out he is switching to orthopaedics!
I was just zapping on tv today and saw the show program "The Weakest Link" on BBC Prime.
I think she is the nightmare of the competitors over there, she was just humiliating and having fun of those people god! It was funny though from time to time.
On the show today, there was a lady and she was ordering her about doing a belly dancing which she told she was doing that when she was questioned about what she is doing by the resprestor lady. And the funny thing is that lady was doing that belly dancing. As that lady had kinda some big boobs, she was asking " how long it takes them to stop after you shake your upper side?" God!!!
I am a happy to see them introducing stricter laws. Last year when I went to Turkey, I could not believe how much people smoked and everyone smokes. However, I eventualy got so use to it that I stared smoking (don´t tell my host dad, he still does not know ) However, I think it is good for the health of children and society to keep turkey smoke free.
Bravo Türkiye
Funny, I noticed the opposite this year when I went Turkey! I did not notice so much smoking as I have done in the past. But then I supposed I was at the top of some of the highest mountains some of the time.
If you dont have money sell your ring i said. If you have (money) send i really need (money) you are all the time in my mind in my heart i want you here now bealive me i dont want to leave you ever kisses
Else, you really seriously need to think about this bloke demanding you sell a ring like this. I know some of have joked but should a man really be asking for money like this????
Maybe people will understand better with pictures!!
You stop it LIR.....my dudu DOES NOT allow me! and you know what an I am. I would never while he was fasting....no no, not me. However, I do a lot of when he gets cranky because he is fasting, because really he is an too except when he is fasting. It makes me want to . !!! When I question his religion, he gets all and I get all . But then later, he buys me some and then we and then (of course after sundown!!!!!) So the moral of the story is:
NEVER drink during the day when its Ramadan and your bf/husband will love you and allow you wear a when you leave the house to do his stopping. He may even give you some money for to buy for yourself.
Ahhhh, thanks Liz, you have made the whole issue about eating in front of your fasting man SOOOOOO clear.
Please translate this poem of mine. I wrote it a while ago. After translating it, please do send me a message and tell me what you think. teþekkür ederim
You are my water
Refreshing you are when I need your cool, calm and collectiveness. Simple you are but your worthiness is more than a thousand mountains on my back. Transparent you are, but your heart keeps alot of secret still unknown So quiet you are, but your bossom roars of treasures beyong my gaze. Unstoppable you are with forces of your angels that protect me Your anger crashes against my shores, yet contents my heart. I thurst after your love, so pure, delicate and strong. You enter my room and wet my feet in a world so complicated. You are my life, my survival and my cleanliness. You show everything that is good and wholesome in my world so tainted. You quietly lay next to me, filling my cup of joy and love to last me another day. You stretch out far and yet you still come back to me Ending my dry days of wallow and crusted pain.
It is a lovely poem, so hopefully someone will be able to help you.
I dont know what they are going to charge her with but I guess, it is a kind of message to say that ´THEY ARE OUR ORPHANS, WE DO WHAT EVER WE LIKE WITH THEM´
Mind you..No body who critisized the Duchess, said anything about the conditions of those kids..
Because they dont care..
I guess you mean, the Turkish authorities that critisised the Duchess did not say anything about the conditions?
I think at the time, they did try and make out it was a faked film. The worst conditions were of those in Romania, where disabled children had been abandoned, ill treated and made to live in intolerable conditions.
send her to Iraq to do some undercover filming. what the hell is "duchess" anyway? you become a duchess when you sleep with someone from the palace?
Technically speaking yes, she did sleep someone from the palace
A Duchess is a lady who is married to a Duke and a Duke is a member of nobility which the highest rank below the monarch. Prince Andrew is also the Duke of York.
Isn´t Britain one of the friendliest countries towards Turkey´s EU admission? I´m not sure if they should be questioning and charging the dutchess of york (whoever the hell that is!)!
She was married to Prince Andrew (one of our Queens sons ) she did some undercover filming in orphanages both in Turkey and Romania exposing the poor conditions they lived in.
Sorry Silence, but Insallah is correct (the capitals are irrelevant).
Don´t mess around up has no meaning in the English language, we can guess what you mean by it, but on its own it does not make any sense. It is a confused sentance. It will either be:
Don´t mess up or don´t mess around - which have similar meanings.
Don´t mess up is something you might say to someone taking an exam, or their driving test.
Don´t mess around is something you might to your partner, not to have an affair, or to naughty children annoying their mother.
Hopefully that makes it clear.
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They didn´t seem to understand it was a serious survey! - when I heard the word ´jandarma´ mentioned I decided to slip my burka back on and head quietly for home
I´m sure the phrase "inside leg measurement" would have made it SO much more serious!!!!
I have to admit I find long legged ladies more attractive. If the legs are there I assume the rest would be there (proportionally) as well.
Not always! Apparently Turkish men often have shorter legs in comparison to their bodies Granted these are not Turkish but does it give you the idea???? (Sexy legs competition........... not sure on whose say so  
A man who says he bit into a Burger King sandwich and found an unwrapped condom inside has sued the owner of the restaurant. Van Miguel Hartless, 24...
A man who says he bit into a Burger King sandwich and found an unwrapped condom inside has sued the owner of the restaurant.
Van Miguel Hartless, 24, of Fair Haven, said Friday he bought the Southwestern Whopper at a Burger King in Rutland on June 18 and made the discovery at home. "My third bite into the burger, it was just a foreign taste," he said. "As I went to bite down a little harder, I felt a rubber grind in between my teeth."
The lawsuit, filed Nov. 16, names store owner Carrols Corp. and seeks damages for pain and suffering, emotional duress and medical expenses.
There was no comment from Burger King or Carrols.
I wonder if it was a used one. Condom burger! anyone?
Takes me back to my teens when I worked in a canning factory and it was my job to open the post first thing in the morning. You should have seen some of the things that people would send back to us that they had found in the cans ........... what the "naughty" Irish and Maltese temps would put into the cans "for a laugh"......... condoms, flies, rubber gloves, shoe laces, rubbish off the floor, you name it it went into the cans with the beans, peas etc etc
Unfortunately we Turks are bit short legged generically speaking..
But I am sure you love us the way we are anyway
Haha! Its not really how long your legs are that matters but I must admit, I did start looking to see how long Turkish mens legs were for a while to see if it was true
Wonder how LIR is getting on with her tape measure
I think their are two schools of thought here. While many drug offenders themselves do not hurt anyone, they are indirectly responsible for crimes that are committed before, during and after their criminal activity. BUT.....people who choose to use drugs are ultimately responsible for their own fate, so arent´ drug traffickers just meeting demand with a supply?
Then again....there are many violent criminals who are "cut a deal" with prosecutors in exchange for their testimony in court. This is what REALLY makes me angry!
Anyway, should people be able to have fun in prison? I would have to say yes. Not only is there the basic human need to be forgiven and for redemption....it is also a legal right to be treated like a human and to be offered rehabilitation. Part of these legal rights includes the full scope of human emotions which I don´t feel we have a right to deprive prisoners of. How are they expected to behave like decent people if they are not treated like humanely? Again, there are arguements on both sides of the fence on this....but as long as the legal systems ultimate goal for most prisoners is rehabilitation, then we must not forget their human rights. Denying prisoners of happiness and fun would only serve to hinder rehabilitation. Now, whether or not you believe that prison does in fact rehabilitate people....we could probably argue that until doomsday!
Most propably become a victim of their crime, for instance a young man 22, drug runner shot dead in the street a few days ago! He is just one of many deaths/murders due to drugs in the UK.
I can´t see the vid so can´t comment on it.
On your point Elisabeth, we ought to get the re-offending stats to see if prison works!
Not that I´m an expert on the Turkish flood problem, but...it looks like you have a pretty good idea of what happened, which seems to be too many people moving into an area. Those immigrants improvising living conditions.
There has been a lot of immigration to some areas where people have done "do it yourself" upgrades. They are not trained in the right way to do things. Inspectors are over worked and don´t get to check it all.
On a personal level, I have a friend who is an engineer, who has a neighbor who has property a little higher than his. This neighbor put drainage in a way that causes it to run into the engineers property, wich caused weakening of the engineers structure. It´s a long complicated technical issue...if he calls inspectors.....they don´t really have the technical knowledge....anyway... you get the jist of it?
Yes you are right, I do have a pretty good idea what some of the problems are, increasing population in the city requires more accomodation to be built. Poor planning as in terms of planning population growth and housing is part of the problem, building on river beds etc. But in the end, this is the worst storm seen in Istanbul for 80 years so not all down to serious negligence. It is also down to our total lack of respect for our planet and we are all responsible for that!
Perhaps thehandsom can comment on the techinical side a little better than the assumptions I and Alameda are making.
It is very sad that people lives are so badly disrupted and the UK too has seen many episodes like this, except not so many deaths. It takes months to clean up and return to normal.
I´m off to a climate change seminar to night as it happens.........
Aaahhhhh... I think this is a VERY good topic!!! Unfortunately, I don´t know enough about it yet to speak my mind on this issue (and I"m afraid to learn more too, because I know that I will only be angry with what we have now!!!). But there are some opinions that the situation in prisons mostly create worse criminals.. Certainly there has to be a punishment for certain actions.. but do we always punish the right things? Do we keep offenders in prisons for the right amount of time? For example, a domestic violence offender spends a few nights in jail, then gets out and beats the hell out of his family even worse then before! While the drug trafficking person never hurt anyone, but stays in prison for a few months to years!
Actually they hurt a lot of people, cause untold misery, but I am off the same opinion, does the penalty fit the crime? Not very often.
I not disagreeing but could you tell us what the serious negligence is and how that would contribute to the outcome of this extreme weather event?
Like in the UK everyone is laying brick weave drives so the run off water has no where to go in the event of heavy rain, and over loads the drainage systems causing flash flooding. Or houses are built in flood plains - and flood plains are there to protect people form flooding.
Is that what you mean, drainage systems are not properly maintained??
I´m interested to know.
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From relieving boredom, to keeping the peace in a relationship or even curing a headache, the reasons for succumbing to the advances of the opposite sex are many and varied.
Romance and passion, it has to be said, comes rather low down the list, according to a new book.
One woman even admitted to having sex just so her husband would put the rubbish out.
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´Research has shown that most men find most women at least somewhat sexually attractive, whereas most women do not find most men sexually attractive at all,´ conclude the authors, both psychology professors at the University of Texas.
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One said she did it for a spiritual experience, proclaiming: ´It´s the closest thing to God.´
... with 84 per cent admitting to having sex just to ensure a quiet life or to bargain-for household chores.
One woman explained: ´I have sex to relieve the boredom - because it´s easier than fighting. Plus it gives me something to do.´ For others, it provides an unlikely cure for a migraine or stress headache.
While it may not come as welcome news, some women have sex out of sympathy, with one admitting: ´I slept with a couple of guys because I felt sorry for them.´
But most have selfish motives, with financial or material rewards a major factor behind many sexual encounters.
In one survey of students carried out by the researchers, nearly one in ten women admitted to ´having sex for presents´.
This has made it to the BBC 6:00 news tonight with terrible scenes of people struggling to be saved from violent flooding. The news reported that some 30 people have died and there are many missing. It is the worst flood for 80 years in Istanbul.
I am hoping that all our TC friends are safe from this.
It was related to the U.N. discussions on Cyprus. Ozel Harp Dairesi (special war unit) -deep state of the time- arranged a guy and bombed the house where Ataturk was born in Selonica to provoke some Turks and then non-muslims were attacked by the Turkish mob (Although it seemed the crowd reacting the bombing, we learnt later on, it was a carefully planed incident which got out of hand in the end)
Anyway, the result is some dead (3 or 11 - god knows), many injured -60 non muslim women take to hospital for rape-over 5000 buildings were attacked almost all of them were non muslims.
In the end, it ended up as a huge dark shameful incident in our history with many Greeks kicked out of Turkey..
Anyway it is an historical event..
We have to remember it "to prevent it is hapenning again"..
But..someone posted a clip into fb about the incident -with the text WE SHOULD NOT FORGET TO STOP BEING REPEATED´ and another Turk reponded by saying that ´If the samething happened today, people will behave worse..Because the way we think more backwards than we had in 1955 ´
By looking around here: Hating anything Christian, hating anything western, hating anything non-Turkish!!
It is really depressing sometimes!!
Does anything get "discussed" on TC? Not noticed any discussions lately........
and I have to agree with you on the hating everything scenario..........a sickening trend that you have contributed to and isn´t this post provoking that trend further????
After a recent visit to Turkey, I have met and fallen for a turkish man. But I don´t know what is expected of me, whether a relationship with an english girl, is ok? or bad? Also, I seem to be getting a lot of stick back home from people who read the magazines about turkish men just wanting english passports.... Help x
I am reposting the original post as the whole thread has become totally irrelevant.
Finally some good news about women who are NOT supermodels!!
Skinny thighs could spell your doom
Posted on Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:05 PM PT
By JoNel Aleccia
At last, good news for anyone who ever despaired of fitting into skinny jeans: Thin thighs might actually kill you. Or at least put a strain on your heart.
That’s the word from Danish researchers who studied more than 2,800 middle-aged people for up to a dozen years, only to find that those with the slimmest thighs had the highest chance of heart disease and premature death.
“There was up to a double risk for the people with the smallest thighs,” said Dr. Berit L. Heitmann, a director of research at Copenhagen University Hospital in Denmark. “It’s quite substantial.”
People whose thighs measured less than 60 centimeters, or about 23.6 inches in circumference, were in trouble. And those with stick-thin gams (less than 18 inches around) were at the greatest risk, according to new study in the online version of the British Medical Journal.
Stefan Gosatti / Getty Images file
By that measure, supermodels everywhere would be in grave danger, while those who one fitness expert described as “normal-sized people,” would be in the pink.
“Typically a 23.6-inch thigh on a female would be a size 6 to 8,” said Greg Benson, president of the International Sports and Fitness Trainers Association.
Oh dear, my thighs have never been that big, and I would not say I am skinny by no means!! I just went and measured mine and they are 20". So I am a bit of trouble then! I take it the size 6 to 8 is the USA sizing?? I am a UK size 10 (now hehehe)
One day we will all be able to live quite happily doing what we want when we want without it leading to premature death Next thing will be "too many unwanted gifts on facebook will lead to mental health problems"
Farrah Fawcett had been living with Ryan O´Neal for a few years when she died, although they were famous for their on-off, sometimes stormy, sometimes passionate, relationship for three decades.
Ryan apparently stepped up to the mark and was there for her in her battle against cancer. But now Greg Lott, a former American footballer, says he and Farrah had an 11-year affair. Ryan, naturally, denies it. But would he know?
The word on the "studies show" street is that women are having more affairs than they used to and, interestingly, that they are better than men at keeping them secret. Better at not getting caught, it seems.
It doesn´t surprise me. Women are brought up to please and to please men especially. (Like the way Farrah was busy being a Charlie´s Angel.)
They´re brought up to tell lies better and more easily.
So be warned, patriarchy you´re grooming women for infidelity!
Education in one’s native language is a human right. In today’s world the right to learn and teach one’s native language demanded by millions of citizens is an irrefutable legitimate right.
Quoting mhsn supertitiz
This pretty much proves that all the western countries are violating human rights. will you criticize these fascistwestern countries?
Not quite sure how we would cope in the UK, teaching in everyones own language, there are over 300 spoken here.
.....nobody should earn that much for kicking a ball round a field - it´s a god-given talent and I think all footballers should donate at least 50% of their huge salaries to good causes (possibly religious ones)!! (and Shrek should learn that apple sauce traditionally goes with pork not turkey )
I was asking thehandsom if he could earn that much playing football, not that I agreed with it!
But you have to give credit where credit is due, he found his way into premier league football by working through from the ranks from the age of 10 to get there.
btw, thanks for answering for thehandsom............... again
And MANY women do NOT have terrible pains, do not feel sick or lightheaded, they do NOT take time off each month. Still, a menstruating woman who WANTS to fast herself is not allowed, or, she is allowed but her days don´t count as she is seen as dirty!
Perhaps it would be good to get the views of other Muslim women.
I do not think you know what you are talking about here.In my country, some women still call themselves ´ben kirliyim´ -I am dirty- when they have their period.
You sound suspiciously like Queent !!
Good job you do, you are such a mine of information when it comes to anything to do with women
Perhaps you should realise that women in the UK would also think of themselves as "dirty" and probably still do to some extent depending on their mothers views and it was /is a very taboo / embarrassing subject for many people. It was often and probably still is the brunt of many a school boy playground joke, with many derogatory terms denoting a girl having a period.
I´m sorry for going off-topic (i can´t rank 3 US presidents as I don´t know enough about them) but it just gets my goats when I read it was an American president who took down communism. How can you do that if you´re not a leader of a communist country? It was the people of Europe who dealt with the system, not the US. A lot of people died to bring communism to an end. If the States REALLY wanted to support them communism would be over way earlier. Yet it seems that communism was pretty convenient for the US - at least they had an enemy to scare people with and could justify army expenses with Cold War...
I have to agree there! I watched the East Germans rip the Berlin wall apart on TV - something I will never forget!
The other factor to this is that historically women WERE unclean during this time!!! Sorry to write such a shocking thing but it is true! Even now, unless you are lucky enough to be born in a rich country where you can purchase decent sanitaryware, you ARE "unclean". I watched a great series on TV recently where western women had to live with African tribal women for one month. In one particular episode she went to sit on a stool that a tribal woman had been sitting on and noticed it was covered with blood - the woman was menstrating and they had nothing to use, so the culture was to just "let it flow" ....!!!
These women were completely unaffected by any other culture, were amazingly independent and strong and yet CHOSE to keep away from men during this time.
I saw that too. And I think it is Nepal where women live in a special hut during their periods away from the rest of the family because of the problem of sanitation and cleanliness during that time.
There is recent research which suggests that having sex during your period can increase the risk of endometriosis because it may push menstrual fluid back into your uterus. There is also evidence that you are more likely to develop STDs and AIDs during this time, but this is still under debate.
Not to mention how disgusting it is! What man (don´t say!) would want to have sex while a woman is menstruating or what woman would want to have sex while she is menstruating ............. I put this in the same category and other bodily functions performed during sex.
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Maybe i am too mean if 200 people gave 50 TL it would be 10.000 TL totally not bad eh?
Hehe! NO !!!!! We were far too generous, especially when no can see what you put into the bag I´d say it was a good days work, worth getting married for???
It would need to be a bloody big peace pipe but a more environmentally friendly version would be an olive branch or several olive branches...............
Thanks ´Alex´ I´m really looking forward to this, it´s the first Turkish wedding I´ve been to
We gave more than 50YTL and the bride had a lovely little white wedding bag, that guests put money into, privately! (I must say it was bulging with cash by the end of her walk round the guests)
Four soldiers were killed in the eastern province of Elazýð on Aug. 17 after a lieutenant gave one of the privates a hand grenade whose pin he had pulled out to punish him for sleeping during his night watch.
Early the next day, Lt. Tümer called Öztürk to ask where his hand grenade was. When Öztürk could not find his grenade, the lieutenant showed him the explosive, saying it was taken by Sgt. Akçan when he was sleeping during his night watch. The lieutenant then pulled out the pin of the grenade and gave it to Öztürk, saying he would not die if he held the primer of the explosive tightly.
“Öztürk begged the lieutenant to give him back the pin. He said he was just 25 years old and had 75 days left to complete his military service. ‘You will kill me,´ he told Lt. Tümer,” Sgt. Yiðit Acar stated during his testimony.
Acar also stated that Tümer told noncommissioned officers in the military facility that he had given Öztürk a live hand grenade to teach him a good lesson.
Sgt. Akçan told military prosecutors that the explosion occurred about 15 or 20 minutes after Lt. Tümer pulled the pin out of the grenade and gave it to the private. “While I was supervising soldiers during the night watch, I saw Öztürk sleeping. I took his hand grenade and gave it to Lt. Tümer. The lieutenant called Öztürk up and gave him the activated grenade. He told him to wait till he gave back the pin. Fifteen or 20 minutes later, the explosion took place,” the sergeant stated.
Pvt. Recep Koyuncu claimed that Öztürk asked the lieutenant several times to return the pin, saying: “Lt. Tümer told Öztürk to return to his position and wait for him. A few minutes later, Öztürk asked the lieutenant for the pin. Lt. Tümer declined his request. The blast occurred moments after.”
During his testimony, Lt. Tümer admitted giving a live hand grenade to Öztürk. “Öztürk asked me to give him the pin. I told him to return to his position and that I would place the pin into the grenade soon. It was around 11 a.m. or 11:30 a.m. I don´t remember exactly when. We heard an explosion. When I turned back, I saw Öztürk falling face down,” stated the lieutenant. He also claimed that he punished the private in line with the military´s training procedures.
Öztürk was reportedly asking his friends for a pin when the hand grenade exploded. The four fallen soldiers were buried on Aug. 18.
This is nothing short of a barbaric murder and if I was the parent of that young man I would want blood spilled. This makes me so angry, words fail me.
I think Janissaries was the best army of the time at the beginning..
But the corruption came later on.
Muslims were not accepted at the start but it was a kind of nice job, so the muslim rulers (pashas vezirs etc) started to put their own people into janissary units..
Anyway..
I am glad you are out of the safety of the chat room and see you more around here
No problem! - I can pm you regular reports on the good stuff if you like to save you having to waste time out of your busy life sifting through all the dross.
You are too kind - perhaps you could do an email, you can set me and GG up and perhap anyone else who likes the idea, in an email group and keep us informed with a regular email update.
I guess the nice thread about Ramadan in Turkey which was hijacked and turned into the "why can´t I (as a spoiled tourist who deserves to be denied nothing) enter a mosque the same as men do" and "what is wrong with Islam" thread was perfectly acceptable?
Don´t quote me, but I believe there is a conspiracy against us and only a certain "qualified" few are allowed to hijack threads ...........
They would have been accepted in through the Tier 1 of the new immigation system. Applications are made through the Home Office, would have taken a few weeks and they would have to met strict criteria.
I´m ticked off! I just got a "friend" request from someone I absolutely despise but she is my brother-in-laws girlfriend so I kinda have to accept her. Don´t I?
With the political interference and the stories of evidence withheld and evidence planted I doubt if we will ever find out the truth about the Lockerbie bombing. Also the revenge theory linked to the Iranian airliner blown out of the sky by an American missile 5 months earlier over the Persian Gulf with the loss of 290 lives including 66 children. Many people believe Megrahi was a scapegoat to appease bereaved relatives.
Actually until I saw the news last night I did not realise he was convicted on such scant evidence - some clothes bought in a Maltese shop found at the crash site and the owner of the shop identified him from a magazine. That was it! So he is probably a scapegoat.
What ever, the case has re-opened old wounds, caused a great deal of anger amongst grieving relatives and no doubt will affect relationships between US and Libya.
I just wanted to share with everyone as in the future, if required, I would love to offer my help or support if I can. I have just successfully got a visa refusal overturned! I am SO happy!
My partner applied for a visa to come to the UK from Turkey for 10 weeks (HOLIDAY.) to study on an English course. The course was paid for and government registered so counts legally under the Tier 4 student visa rules. We supplied my bank details, address details, bill payer details, copy of my passport etc.
Yet the visa was still refused as there was a ´query´ over some of the paperwork.
I asked my partner to reapply and said I would complete the British Borders Agency form. Believe me, it´s a tough form, even for an English person! So off that went with MORE copies of paperwork, phonebills, dates I have been in Turkey etc. 5 days after putting the aplication in the Consulate called me from Istanbul and I verified pretty much everything from the paperwork supplied.
After a tense 10 day wait, the visa was granted!
The paperwork involved is immense. But if you get everything right, this shows you CAN do it and you CAN overturn a refusal!
If I can help anyone, contact me through here
Great news!!!
I know you are very pleased about this, but in your excitement you posted it three times and I have deleted the other two.
Woman will be canned for drinking beer in Malaysia
(But the good thing is, the rattan cane will be lighter than those used to punish men.)
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Muslim model Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno has become the first woman in Malaysia to be sentenced to a caning after being caught drinking beer in a beach resort.
The 32-year-old will receive six lashes at a woman´s prison next week in what is being viewed as an example of the growing influence of Islamic hardliners on the country.
..her husband, paid a fine of £860, but declined to lodge an appeal so she could get the punishment over with and put the episode behind her.
She was arrested in July last year in a hotel nightclub in the beach resort of Cherating during a raid by the state´s religious department and admitted drinking beer.
An Islamic court fined her and ordered her to be caned at Kajang women´s prison next week, but spared her a jail term of up to three years.
She received word of the sentence from her father and said she would be returning to Malaysia from Singapore.
"I accept the punishment," she said. ...
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Prosecutor Saiful Idham Sahimi said: "This is the first case in Malaysia. It is a good punishment because under Islamic law a person who drinks commits a serious offence."
.... The lashes administered to the buttocks, break the skin and leave scars.
But in Kartika´s case the rattan cane will be lighter than those used to punish men. Sharia law dictates it be no thicker than the little finger and the cane cannot be lifted so high the arm is away from the armpit. ...
A big-busted young woman has become an internet sensation,
after offering handy tips to curvy ladies around the world on how they can replace handbags with their gigantic bras.
In a cheeky web-movie curvy student Winter Pierzina, 20, from Arizona, USA, shows how she can smuggle her car keys, mobile phone, camera, lipstick, wrench, screw driver and even mace into her underwear - as well as her massive boobs.
Below is the lady and her bras
The news (the youtube video is at the bottom) is :
My thoughts are with the families of the victims today. This man served what....8 years for murdering their children, spouses, siblings? And he gets compassion?
There isn´t much more to say. It sickens me.
I think this will be the thoughts of many across the US and the UK. A decision many of us will never understand.
I don´t know about Scotland but in the USA there´s a compassionate release law that is applied in most if not all states, according to which an inmate can be released from prison if disabled or has terminal illness with less than 6 mos to live. They also would need to be disabled severely enough to pose no public risk.
We may not agree with the law, or think that it should not apply to certain people (like the one you mentioned), but it´s the law none-the-less. Maybe it has to do more with the government not wanting to pay for the expensive medical treatment of the inmate and less with mercy.
I don´t believe there is any law of this kind in the UK, I have never heard of one. There are plenty of terminally ill people in our prisons in the UK.
There will be plenty about it in the papers tomorrow. I know that the Americans ad Hilary Clinton opposed his release.
This is now on the 1:00pm news and I cannot believe that the Scottish court can be so stupid as to let a mass murdering terrorist (270 people died in the PanAM flight) be released to go back to Libya, on compationate grounds because he has terminal cancer, after serving just 8 years of a 27 year life sentance. How many other murders get released because of terminal cancer or other terminal illnesses? Not many if any.
Appears to be failings that has allowed this to happen, in part the transfer of prisoner agreements, which the UK Government failed to ensure that no Libyan could not be transfered back to Libya.
I am gobsmaked....
The Scottish Justice Secretary is still speaking with a certain exasperation on this as I post.
It has now been finally confirmed that the bomber is being released on compationate grounds, although he showed now mercy when he with others killed the 270 people, the Scottish Justice Secretary has shown him considerable mercy by allowing this release.
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This is supposed to be a PMT thread to keep Tami up to date on GG´s mood swings and menopausal status!!!
I know but as I don´t suffer from those problems (and I didn´t want to feel left out) I thought I would keep you up to date on my delicate tum....... btw, it is OK now
I´ve got some toblerone in the fridge which my husband bought in the airport and paid more for them than any meal we had in Turkey............. you are welcome to them.... I hate the stuff
Thanks for that I have looked at these airline but never flew with them and I am scared of flying...lol so two planes is hard enough for me...lol..
I used to fly with BMI from Heathrow but they have stopped the direct fight to Ankara now.
Yes it was BMI, but I booked the flight with BA and in the meantime BMI took over the franchise........ rather chaotically I think. So I had forgotten who I had flown with until you reminded me.
What I was going to suggest was why not fly to Istanbul and spend a couple of days there (get over the flight  , then fly to Ankara (only 45 min). That is what we would have done had we had enough time.
A man has gone missing walking the first part of the Lycian Way from Ovacik near Ölü Deniz.
Does anyone have any more information from news reports in Turkey maybe.? I´ve done this walk a few times and it´s an easy well-marked path-I wonder what happened.
Just returned after a little break and a very nice holiday................. but since I returned my "condition" has been a little delicate and the need for a convience close at hand is imperative (and nothing to do with the menopause  
btw I get the toilet joke - commonly used in our household!!!! (Why is there not a smiley holding his nose???)
Oh yeh, do you want a daily update???
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Please can someone give me any good airlines to travel to Ankara from London that are cheap and not huge stop overs in Istanbul.
Thanks
Cheryl
As far as I am aware, there are no direct flights to Ankara from London. I have just returned, and I flew Easyjet from Gatwick to Istanbul (Sabiha Goken) then Pegasus to Ankara (6 hour wait between these two flights). Return there was a 4 hour wait. The whole journey cost around £160 each return, which is much cheaper than the Turkish Airlines flight to Istanbul alone. I think there are also flights from and to Luton (Easyjet) and Stansted (Pegasus)
We actually found the wait quite OK but there is not a bundle to do in Sabiha Goken airport - takes all of two minutes to walk from end to end and only 3 or4 places to eat or drink (and these are small places).
The direct flight used to be from Heathrow (BA or Turkish Airlines) to Damascus in Syria with a stop over in Ankara. When we flew like this before it was a nightmare - 29 hour delay going out due to airplane breakdown and 24 hour coming back due to over booking from Syria.
I am really disappointed I can´t comment under column but I think I can see theh point..subconsciously he exposes himself for criciticism and loves it..just a kind of masochism .otherwise he would not do that..ehh,theh grow up and accept things..the way they are..
Agree, except I don´t agree with the subconsciously bit; more deliberate then he becomes the victim. Writing comment to TC members in the column?? ............ unprofessional. If you have something to say have the guts to say it in the public forum.
Lots of info in the Turkish press at the moment about the Uyghur Autonomous Republic. Has it hit the UK press yet?
There was a big coverage of it in the Independent yesterday (Thurs). It has been on the BBC news as well. (Assuming you mean all the unrest and riots).
I am sure he comes to the UK more often. So don´t be jealous.
He´s not coming to the UK this year but I was more referring to the setting rather than him coming to the UK! If he does it would be in the boring O2 arena or Wembley Arena, nothing so fantastic as Istanbul
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Life is unjust that is why some men are well-endowed whilst others aren´t. But it is very easy to correct that. Enlarge your penis and bcome a complete man fast.
With tickets secured month ago, we went to Santana concert at Kurucesme on a boat that took us right to the concert venue. We positioned ourselves right in front of the stage and began waiting. The famous guitar guru drew our attention to the beautiful full moon rising behind us over Bosphorus and the night began. It was a non-stop music feast that continued for almost two hours. The sound of the exotic instruments, the virtuoso of Carlos and the flawless rendering of his songs by his two virtually nameless but equally powerful singers turned what would otherwise be an extremely boring night into a festival.
Carlos Santana had given a concert in Turkey some 20 years ago. I could not help thinking whether there will be another 20 years for either of us.
During his brief address to the audience he said he still considered himself a hippy and that he paid no attention to money. Somehow, many of the people who keep saying that are multimillionaires. He also said, he believed in the power of love and not in the love of power. He can´t be supporting Bush, need I say more?
Vineyards, I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO jealous! I just love Santana.......... Was Rob Thomas with the band?
You are one lucky Turk! Wow and the setting to..... boohoo
Sorry, canim, I didn´t notice you with the new burka. You used to have the kind where I could see your eyes.....but your new one veils your face....it is impossible to tell if you are lessluv, gg, trudy, LL or LIR!
Buuuuuut I don´t wear one ..... I´m a liberal lady don´t forget and now with my new slimline figure only burkinis will do
I think anytime anyone talks about politics or religion, there is bound to be some bias. It seems ok to me that there is a place where people can write how they feel on this site and not have to worry about being raked over the coals for their thoughts. If individuals would like to have a discussion about their opinions they can post on the forums. I would hope that people are intelligent enough to read a column and then make up their own minds without anyone feeling that they have to set the record straight......Just my thoughts!
You are right Elisabeth, but just look at the column and it is a few posts and not even original at that (they have been churned over before), so why not write them as posts and not use the columns for that purpose??
Nobody is right and wrong...and why are you avoiding commenting on the shrinking issue Turkey faces...isn´t that why LL started this thread so we can discuss columns posted. This is serious Canli! Shrinking is not a good thing to Turks this could mean Erdogans call for women to have at least seven kids will be at risk.
No! thehandsom threw the gauntlet and I caught it!
Actually you think Turkey faces a shrinking issue? Ahaha! surely the western women will suffer the most.............Perhaps his next column will critically appraise the serious matter of how Turkish men should juggle multiple affairs especially with the erectile dysfunction and lack of errmmmmm proportions?
Wolfram Alpha is the name of a recently activated search engine . It is said to be more mathematically capable than Google. Well worth exploring for information hunters..
So, should we make this sticky or something so when anyone of our columnist feels like disabling the comments and have one saying, people be able to come here and say what they like about that column without having the thread lost among other threads at off the topics ?!
Agree Canli!
My rationale for starting this thread, as thehandsom mentions we can use the forum to be critical or complimentary, where columnist decide to disable the comments section, so here is the route to that.
Here you are thehandom, your (posts disguised as a) column criticism thread.
I really am having trouble with why you are taking the time of writing your posts as a column and then adding your own comments about why you disabled the comments? And I think we have had the thornyprickly issue of manhood proportions and erectile dysfunction subject before??
I think the parts where native Brits are talking must be very difficult to understand for learners.. If you need help with specific parts of this video, let me know.
I listened a conversation on the BBC. And I wrote down what I heard and now, I want to compare with each other. Please go to this website and listen "Episode 12" from 01:45th minute untill 08:18th minute and pleasse write down what you heard. If you press the button says;" Listen Online" you can´t see the timer.So,downloading is better. But I want to record my voice when I´m reading it.So, You should write all the sentences down.
I listened a conversation at the BBC. And I noted down what I heard and now, I want to compare with each other. Please go to this website and listen "Episode 12" from 01:45th minute untill 08:18th minute and pleasse write down what you heard.
It is very difficult to write down everything that is being said (and the play back did not have a timer on it) but I have noted the essence of the whole programme. It is an over view of the other 11 programmes I believe.
Different strategies for communication and vocabulary and pronunciation
Communication strategy
Not to be afraid of making mistakes, get the [your] idea across, won´t effect communication, unless there big problems with the knowledge [vocabulary/grammar)
Learn from your mistakes
Reasonable to make mistakes
Know where you make your mistakes
Part of the process of learning
Focus on accuracy or fluency to practice at specific times, i.e with friends or shopping
Let yourself go and relax
Vocabulary strategy
Vocabulary is key
How can I use few words you know?
How can I communicate using those few words?
Work out the word that Raphael was trying to say – He offers the bus driver a large note to pay for his bus fare as he had no change. He does not know the word "change" He is trying to explain his way round the word. He uses the words "small money" and the driver understands
If you don’t know the word, then try and talk round it
Kofi Anan, talking about globalisation and “if it does not work for all, then it will work for none”
How to link words to remember them (Biork linking “Debut and post")
She talks about the ups and downs – for instance learn words together as a chunk (black and white film)
Idiomatic language – more difficult to learn and use
Learn non-idiomatic language first
Don’t use colloquial expression when talking to someone who does not know the language
Pronunciation (not much said about this part of language)
Important is the intonation pattern and stress of a language
And as has been pointed out many times already, anyone can do as janis has done and make a huge fuss over nothing and start a whole diatribe about a column right here in the forums.
And ya know what, I would bet you that this silliness has gotten far more attention than posting a rebuttal in the column ever would.....and also had what is likely the opposite effect of what janis wanted...he drew more attention to the column so more people have probably read it now.
thanks GG exactly!!!!!
You know, there is none so blind as those who won´t see
Publishing in 12 installments was a great idea. That way you get/have to digest a chapter at a time. It´s been years since I read that book. Do you have a reading strategy?....the book is divided into 6 parts, would you read a part a month?
No, I shall probably finish it in a week. I am already 1/3rd through in 3 days.
I haven´t seen too many comments on thehandsome´s post..for those of you who are complaining about not being able to comment. All I see is many complaints...so where are your comments to his post? It´s quite easy to start a topic and quote the person. How about the topic "Follow TheJanissary on a Tour of the Real Turkey" .
That is why I posted the comment in this thread; I would have posted with the article had the option been there.
but the scenary is great! That way the travel itself is part of your holiday, not just the destination
Take your point! but when you need to get their quick, as you only have a limited time......... we will be seeing some wonderful scenary driving from Ankara to Aladaglar and Cappadocia and back.
but its weird, i just checked tickets from Latvia to Turkey in august , it´s coasts about 160 euros, but in december 300 euros, where is logic? how i know its mostly happening to other way
Mostly ticket prices go up according to demand, or when they reduce the number of flights (seats) available or when there is some big event or something like that. It is a lottery!!
It used to be said that the trains in Turkey were slow and it was better to travel by bus.
Haha! Being an environmentalist I would much prefer to travel by train, but when I looked at travelling from Istanbul to Ankara, the 9½ hour journey sort of put me off!
Having just read the brilliant biography, Mad, Bad and Dangerous by Sir Ranulph Fiennes I thought it is about time that I read a novel.
So I bought the classic novel "Crime and Punishment" by Russian author Fyodor Dostoyevsky. It was first published in 12 monthly installments in the literary journal "The Russian Messenger" in 1866 and later published in a single volume.
The story focuses on the mental anguish of an impoverished ex-student who plans to kill an unscrupulous pawn broker, to solve his financial misery and to rid the world of an evil worthless parasite.
So far, it is a griping story and the author is able to portray for the reader the torment and mental anguish felt by [the main characture,Raskolnikov], and relaying the smallest detail of his thoughts.
But when thehandsom wrote the column he probably knew that others would want to comment, so why did he disable the comments and not allow people to reply in the proper place?
I am also disappointed that thehandsom felt he had to disable the comments, and I concur with Bydand and others on that .
My Comments:
I must say it is not one of my favourite columns and it is disappointing for me, in comparison to the others that you have written with a certain "joie de vivre" which this one lacks.
Hay fellows, I am looking information about UK immigration and visit visa. Please guide me where from i can collect proper information about UK immigration and higher studies. I have found one website UK Tier Visas and Immigration Guide in this website detail available for uktier visas and immigration process but i am looking best source for UK Tier visas and uk immigration. please please .....guide me
This goes straight to the section in the UK Borders website. It is very comprehensive and gives you all the information you need. Please don´t google as you will get all the rubbish sites and you won´t really get the correct information.
You will probably need to look at the criteria for Tier 4 which relates to Students.
If you have any other questions please PM me, as I do have access to lots of information about the UK Tier system or points based system as it is also known, through my job.
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Even the Italians (who normally loved a treat of pork) I used to hunt with did not consider wild boar meat on par with pork. They used to carve out a very small (selected) portion of the boars we shot, to take home and eat. The rest of the boar would be left back in the wild, for wolves and jackals to feast upon...
Thank you Alpha, for confirming. These men did not consider wild boar to be pork. The meat, they said was more like beef.
Belusconi is fine so long as he has a floosie on his arm and can recognise a good tan when he sees one , so yeh, Italy is in good hands........... btw what is the picture? Only see an empty box with red cross.
They (Turks) eat them.... "boar"!!! you serious???
Yes, I recently saw a documentary where Turks were hunting boars in the mountains (North East) to eat them. The question was raised about being muslim and eating pork, but they did not see it as eating pork. I have posted a clip on somewhere on here but it was a BBC clip and only us in the UK can see it.
Unless it´s on your way to another place, I do not recommend visiting Pamukkale -- they are really not that impressive. I´d rather take a longer trip to Kapadokya.
How can you say that!!!!!!!!! Come back another year and do Kapadokya.
My journey to Pamukkale was 5 hours each way and well worth it.......... despite having hardly any sleep the night before.
Pamukkale, yes the travertines are not what they used to be and there are bus loads of tourists at every turn, but there is more to see than just the travertines. Wander about in the old roman ruins, see caper bushes growing wild, just don´t follow all the other tourist groups..... when I went I was the only person except a lady picking capers and a group of Turkish teenage girls, anywhere near the ruins.
In a nutshell I am so pleased I went..... in fact the scenary on the way is also beautiful.
Only word of warning on the organised trips - they often end up at some point with purchasing opportunities, gold, onyx etc etc
I forgot to mention Dalyan and the mud baths .......... great fun!
I am traveling to Fethiye next month, we have a short list of places to go see but I was wondering if any of you have been there and can tell us some other places that we can go see. Also, we are staying at the Sunshine Holiday resort. Anyone heard of it?
Pamukkale - Long trip though but well worth it
Butterfly valley - near Oludeniz
The ghost village (Kayakoy)
12 Island boat trip - you get to see Cleopatras bath
Percentage of unmarried but pregnant 14 year old girls on the streets of USA Canada is very likely to exceed the percentage of Turkish girls married around the same age.(Most of those not pregnant yet are definitely hard at work, experimenting with the idea, anyway)
In Western cultures, it is bad if elders in a society opt to marry a girl at younger ages, usually in dignity and sometimes out of forcing social necessities....What is encouraged in the West are modern ideas like "sex out of marriage is no loss of honor for unmarried girls", "virginity is an old and obsolete concept, who needs it ? " or "homosexuality is ok, if it is one´s own choice".
You have a bit of a point there Alpha, I don´t agree with marriage under the age of consent and I find aspects of the article disgusting.
But we do not condem young girls of 12 and 13 etc, losing their virginity to very often older teenagers and young adults, males, ending up in pregnancy. It is nearly an accepted fact that young girls (and boys) will start to experiment earlier and earlier. If the girl has not properly consented or does not realise what she is getting into, is this not so different from girls being married off at such a young age?
Either way, it is wrong but society allows it to happen and until society changes it views then it will carry on.
We were wondering if anybody could help us to clarify the complicated issues of gaining a UK visa.
Ok here is the situation, we are both in Turkey at the moment, my fiance is hoping to gain a UK visa so that we can return to the UK together at the end of the summer. But as we all know the world of visas is not an easy one. We have looked on the UK border agency but would like to clarify the actual name/number of the fiance visa form.
Also if anyone could give any advice, it would be most appreciated.
Thank you millions of times,
Tiff
You most probably know that the UK borders have been tightened and have introduced the Points based system. You have to fit into a certain Tier to be able to come to the UK if you are outside the EU or EEA. It is quite complicated although the borders agency say it has been simplified. There are now 5 tiers:
Tier 1 for highly skilled workers with mountains of cash behind them and very highly qualified (MSc)
Tier 2 is for skilled workers who have got to have a job offer from a company that is registered with the UKBA and there are also money, qualifications and language critieria and the job has to a shortage occupation
Tier 3 is for non skilled workers and has not been activated yet due to the recession and other factors being we already have too many migrants of low skill in the country (so the UKBA say)
Tier 4 is for students
Tier 5 is for those more unusal workers, such as muscians, ballet dancers, circus performers and the like
I am not sure how this will affect Turks wanting to come to Britian but I guess you will have to fit into either Tier1 or 2.
Here is the UKBA website and this will give you more details for the Points Based System. The obvious answer is to go to the UK Consulate in Turkey and find out what you have to do now.
Hello everyone! Did you miss me? I have been so busy i can´t believe i haven´t been here in months! I have missed all the laughs and arguments. I still live in Istanbul and my turkish is worse than before i moved. Darn all the english speakers around! Kisses and hugs!
Actually I thought about you the other week when I saw some Capoeira "movers" (not sure what you would call them looked like they were dancing and nothing like Martial arts at all), in Cambridge UK ......... and then I saw you on line at the weekend.
It is time to re-open the Lounge and if AE does not get her ass back here to run this joint....I am taking over!!!! I know you are out there....it´s your choice!!
I will have a screwdriver!
Well as the only moderator here at the moment, I formally announce Girleegirl as the new translation lounge manager and can I have a Harvey Wallbanger please?
I will be giving blood on Tuesday (16th I think). I am going to take part in a medical research programme run through the University of Cambridge.
I agree with all of the above having had to receive 5 pints of blood when I had my first child. So I am very aware of the need to give back what I took. I have given over 20 pints now, so paid back plus some
Oh! They must be revamping it - new Mayor n´all. I don´t know - first he fills in all the holes in our roads now he wants to revamp the website! Is there not end to his changes!!
What??? Filled in all the holes? How very dare he...........
Maybe someone wanted to look smart on Sesli whatever forum, but didnt know how to give the answer to the translation. So they copied it here, hoping to get the answer ... and then they would post the answer on sesli forum as if they did it themselves!!
Google maps are photographing cities and towns in the UK by driving down the street with a strange camera on the roof of the car. There has been some problems with it as people have been spotted where they shouldn´t be!!! The say it is a breach of their privacy.... well it is really and it is a great time waster to, going down a street vitually... So if you click on google maps and then choose the street version you can see what it looks like exactly. Try Westminster !
I have no idea about them all. you know they are all hopeless. By the way, when was the last time you brush your teeth? Your teeth becomes yellow because of drinking so much beer.
I recommend Sensodyne Toothpastes for u. here´s the link of that product. Brush your teeth please.
Obama is challenging Israel´s right-wing government to stop its settlements, which kills any possible prospects for peace -- *let´s raise a massive global chorus to help him overcome powerful opposition in Israel and the US: *
*West Bank settlement maps show how Palestinians are only allowed to live in small parts of their land:*<http://www.avaaz. org/en/obama_ stop_settlements ?cl=246256359& v=3424> President Obama just made a remarkable speech in Egypt, committing personally to building peace in the Middle East. *Unexpectedly, his first move is to directly challenge the new right-wing government of America´s ally Israel* -- pressing them to stop their self-destructive policy of settlements (illegal colonies set up on territory recognised by the US and the world as Palestinian) .
This is a moment of rare crisis and opportunity. *Obama´s bold strategy is facing powerful opposition, so he is going to need help around the world* in the coming days and weeks to strengthen his resolve. Let´s start right now -- by *raising a massive global chorus behind Obama´s statement* that the settlements in occupied territory must stop.
We will advertise the number of signatures in key newspapers in Israel, as well as in Washington DC (where some are trying to undermine Obama in the US Congress). *Read Obama´s words now and add your signature to them at the link below*, then forward this email to friends and family so they can do the same:
There is broad agreement that *the settlements are a significant barrier to peace, a view also shared by a silent majority of the Israeli public*. Combined with a network of roadblocks and barriers, these colonies now blanket the West Bank, seizing territory and forcing Palestinians to live effectively as prisoners in smaller and smaller pockets (see map at right).
Until this problem is tackled, it seems impossible to build a viable Palestinian state or any kind of lasting peace. *For Arab states deciding what more they themselves can do for peace, stopping the settlements has become a crucial test of Israeli´s seriousness. *
We will need to urge the other parties to take bold steps too. If we can help Obama to stay the course on settlements, shift Israeli policy and encourage the Palestinians and key Arab states also to stretch out their hands, *a new beginning for the Middle East is possible*.
But none of this will happen without a growing global movement of citizens taking action to support it. *Read Obama´s words, add your signature and spread the word today:*
I feel the same i could never understand people resorting to suicide, but I think I can understand those parents I get aheart attack every time my little one sneezes. I can´t even imagine their grief...life´s cruel
(btw, isn´t meningitis vaccination a standard one in the UK? Here HSE covers 6in1 + meningitis + pneumococcal vaccines)
I think there is a meningitis vaccination but not sure when they get it. But the child was already a quadraplegic so very unwell anyway. It is one of the sadest stories I have heard lately and I also feel very sorry for those who have to deal with the aftermath of such a tragic event.
Both canim, both! Plus the thought of sitting in a too tight dress, and having a monkey made of your hair... still the thought of sore feet is the worst one..
Very good catch LIR, absolutely, very suspicious. The bank account number doesn´t have the correct number of digits either, plus it has a "$" in it -- very suspicious!!
The $ sign is fine, the $ sign is fine, the $ sign is fine, the $ sign is fine, the $ sign is fine
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[But I can convert to £ or € if you wish (still rubbing hands together..........)]
That´s not what I heard today on the BBC! Supposedly there was an overweight unattractive guy who won, without much debate about his looks vs talent, then he was acting out in various ways, without much ado about it... now has a successful career!
Paul Potts and he had his teeth done straight after! But he got the same response as Susan Boyle to begin with. It is just unfortunate for her that she was hounded and gowded by journalists until she cracked.
Your techniques are tried and true..........for the clearly delusional. I was only trying to be generous to you since you have nothing to offer other than your own rather sad CD´s. Who wants to listen to you meowing and hissing on a 5 CD set?
I retract my very generous offer!
Quoting catwoman
Ok.. 75% me, 25% you... I guess we can make some changes to your CDs if we apply my highly effective learning techniques and we can merge businesses for 100% market share.. This is really your best option.
All this arguing has confused potential customers, so those wishing to make a sensible purchase of my NEW CD - Subliminal For Dummies, at an incredibly favourable price of $50 each, please make cheques payable to:
L1O1L2M$4me
Sort Code: 01 01 01
Bank Account: Iou1
and for an extra $10 you can have the incredible book that accompanies it called "How to extract a Laptop (and other valuables) from an unsupsecting female"
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[All ready rubbing my hands together]
You think? To my greatest sadness, Mr Daydreamer is a man with no love for gimmicks Yet, he has never missed a chance to insist that I provide him with a lavish meal
He would make a good friend for Mr Libralady........... mobile phone is struggle but a nice dinner, now that is a different matter
I don´t know why some people consider this survey sooo insulting!? I think that it´s pretty obvious that there is a lot of intolerance in Turkey. Whether you call it this or that... what´s the difference. It´s Turkish people that are the biggest victims of this, denying this problem seems to be fascistic towards groups of people in your own country. Do you care about them less then about the vain and empty country pride? If you care about your own people, speak up against the intolerance within your country!
That ´s as maybe, it is not a very representative sample...........
Turkey´s religious and conservative segments do not apply social pressure on others around them, contrary to what some have suggested in the past, but the prevalence of intolerance in the country is significant, according a new survey.
The new study seems to contradict the results of a 2008 survey conducted by Professor Binnaz Toprak from Boðaziçi University on secular minorities in Anatolian cities, which indicated that the subject groups had the perception of conservative "neighborhood pressure" in their daily lives.
Researchers from the Bahçeþehir University, who conducted 1,715 face-to-face interviews in 33 provinces in Turkey as part of the survey on radicalism and extremism in Turkey, found that only 10 percent of society felt they were subject to social discrimination and societal pressure because of their religious beliefs. Five percent said they faced discrimination over religious beliefs from their immediate surroundings, a situation the Turkish media has come to refer to as “neighborhood pressure.” Four percent said they had faced social discrimination because of their religious denomination, 6 percent say they face both social and state discrimination because of their mother tongue and 4 percent say they face social discrimination because of being secular, while 5 percent say they have felt societal and state discrimination because they are women.
Well, I am not wanted as a neighbour, that´s for sure: I drink once in a while alcohol, I´m irreligious, I have Christian family members and friends, I wear shorts, I´m a woman, I´m not married, I´m in favour of gay rights etc.
I love these surveys, where they can form the basis of public opinion from a practically incalculable % population, around 56 people per province - what is the population? over 70 million?
In my country denial of the Holocaust is punishable by law. Denying that horrible event is according to the law an immense insult and a form of discrimination. These days there is a discussion in parliament about it. Should it be allowed to say the Holocaust never happened because freedom of speech is more valuable than the denial and people should be able to speak up their minds without limitation? Parties, politicians and others fight each other about it. During my travels I´ve met some people all over the world who did deny it, maybe because they were not too smart, maybe because they´re antisemite, I don´t know.
I have two questions for you:
Is the denial of the Holocaust also forbidden and punishable by law in your country?
If so, should it stay that way or do you think that freedom of speech is more important?
If people deny the Holocaust as in freedom of speech to say so is one thing but for them to believe that that is the case is another. I am not sure it should be punishable by law, what would be gained? Is it enough that these people make themselves look stupid when it is a proven fact and there are living survivors??
A law has been rejected in the UK, because of the freedom of speech aspect, but it is widely legislated through much of Europe.
If people were more tolereant of others ideas, beliefs, non-beliefs and those people did not judge others so readily because they do not fit into someone ideal..... and treat others the way you wish to be treated yourself...
Very sad indeed… Seems that accident happened when two balloons collided in mid-air.
Anyway, no matter how scary and unsafe balloon flying looks, it is much safer than, as for example, car driving or airplain flights. The manager of Cappadocia Balloon Tours said it was Kapodokya´s first accident in more than 10 years of operation.
The only hidden agenda here is that of a member with a ´sleeper´ nickname who has become bored with ´nice´ TC and felt in the mood for stirring things up a bit.
I am sorry for your family.A foreign person visiting this site for the love of Turkey or for any other reason cannot be expected or forced to share the grief of the loss of Turkish soldiers.However,A foreign person visiting this site for the love of Turkey or for any other reason cannot be expected to support any terrorist group.That kind of people who supports any terrorist grup shouldnt join here.
I agree with your point highlighted but you cannot stop people joining here with a hidden agenda...... I just wonder if you had anyone in mind, when you are referring to TC member (s) supporting PKK? And what about a Turkish member supporting PKK?
That´s awful, too often are parents irresponsible and leave children unattended. just think about Tyson´s daughter. Teas will probably bash me for that but I think the right to bear arms should be abolished.
Quoting lessluv
Toddler shoots brother dead
I couldn´t agree more, but all it does is send it underground - those who want guns will always get them.
When I try to view the forum rules (through General/off topic - forum rules in Canli´s topic) I get a 404-message: page cannot be found.
I have sent a screen dump to Admin. I get the same message but it also gives you a (the) web link below the message and I clicked and that and it took me to the rules.
I don´t care either but I would care if a Queen of Scotland let the BNP into Holyrood.. but I still wouldn´t care if Alpha didn´t care.....so there.
So does that mean we agree??
My big problem is that if the BNP got into power all our Turkish friends in the UK would be sent home, no matter how long they have lived here and who would look after the kebab shops??
This made me think of a story recently here in the U.S. The boy has cancer and since the mothers religious beliefs do not believe in medicine, rather the homopathic kind she was willing to risk her sons life. Apparently he has a 95% chance of living if going through chemo. What was this mother thinking taking off and running away with her son? If it was the route she wanted to take fine..however her son is not old enough to make that decision. It´s a shame he can´t even read.
The roses of Love glad the garden of life, Though nurtur´d ´mid weeds dropping pestilent dew, Till Time crops the leaves with unmerciful knife, Or prunes them for ever, in Love´s last adieu!
In vain, with endearments, we soothe the sad heart, In vain do we vow for an age to be true; The chance of an hour may command us to part, Or Death disunite us, in Love´s last adieu!
Still Hope, breathing peace, through the grief-swollen breast, Will whisper, ÒOur meeting we yet may renew:Ó With this dream of deceit, half our sorrow´s represt, Nor taste we the poison, of Love´s last adieu!
Oh! mark you yon pair, in the sunshine of youth, Love twin´d round their childhood his flow´rs as they grew; They flourish awhile, in the season of truth, Till chill´d by the winter of Love´s last adieu!
Sweet lady! why thus doth a tear steal its way, Down a cheek which outrivals thy bosom in hue? Yet why do I ask?---to distraction a prey, Thy reason has perish´d, with Love´s last adieu!
Oh! who is yon Misanthrope, shunning mankind? From cities to caves of the forest he flew: There, raving, he howls his complaint to the wind; The mountains reverberate Love´s last adieu!
Now Hate rules a heart which in Love´s easy chains, Once Passion´s tumultuous blandishments knew; Despair now inflames the dark tide of his veins, He ponders, in frenzy, on Love´s last adieu!
How he envies the wretch, with a soul wrapt in steel! His pleasures are scarce, yet his troubles are few, Who laughs at the pang that he never can feel, And dreads not the anguish of Love´s last adieu!
Youth flies, life decays, even hope is o´ercast; No more, with Love´s former devotion, we sue: He spreads his young wing, he retires with the blast; The shroud of affection is Love´s last adieu!
In this life of probation, for rapture divine, Astrea declares that some penance is due; From him, who has worshipp´d at Love´s gentle shrine, The atonement is ample, in Love´s last adieu!
Who kneels to the God, on his altar of light Must myrtle and cypress alternately strew: His myrtle, an emblem of purest delight, His cypress, the garland of Love´s last adieu!
George Gordon Byron (Lord Byron)
A master with words especially where love is involved......
The BNP person Richard Barnbrook, who is a member of the London assembly (not the leader or a leader) automatically gets an invite because he is the assembly. He is allowed to invite a friend so he then invited the leader of the BNP Nick Griffin and steps are being taken to ensure that he does not go.
Article in the Guardian, one of our more trusted papers.
She walks in beauty, like the night Of cloudless climes and starry skies; And all that´s best of dark and bright Meet in her aspect and her eyes: Thus mellow´d to that tender light Which heaven to gaudy day denies.
One shade the more, one ray the less, Had half impair´d the nameless grace Which waves in every raven tress, Or softly lightens on her face; Where thoughts serenely sweet express How pure, how dear their dwelling place.
And on that cheek, and on that flow, So soft, so calm, yet eloquent, The smiles that win, the tints that glow, But tell of days in goodness spent, A mind at peace with all below, A heart whose love is innocent!
A magnificent poem but sadly you have the title wrong, it is "She walks in beauty, like the night" and written by Lord Byron.
Very true. All the fun people have left or don´t post (hardly) anymore! I miss them all: Elisabeth, teaschip, GG, DD, lessluv, TheAenigma, femme, thehandsome, Deli_Kizin, CW and probably more. Only boring translation requests are what´s left.
what a strange swift from homosexuals into coloured ppl.like from world crises into swine flue...and all this political correctness..black is black,white is white ..what is wrong with it???
I guess are you already familiar with this site, so it should not come as a surprise that the on topic soon goes off topic Diversity - that is what TC is all about.....
A lot of ladybirds indicate a long hot summer - as of 1975 and 1976 (in the UK). In 1975 there were swarms of ladybirds because of the increase in temperature and large numbers of aphids for them to munch on!
I keep looking out for lots of ladybirds as we are supposed to be getting heat wave this summer............
Actually, here are some amazing facts about ladybirds
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[Added amazing facts about wonderful little creatures]
Nice idea but would it work? I could never abandon my family so I would have to say no I would not do that!!! But............. if I was single and had no ties, you would find me in Thailand, sunning myself on the beach thinking about how big a boat I should buy............
Of course you do have a point. If that problem in the mind did not exist, it would be nonsense to get offended by words, descriptions and choices of vocabulary. Nevertheless, there is indeed a racial awareness still going strong today. This racial awareness splits people into camps. There are many who use this race specific vocabulary for derogatary purposes. There are tens of thousands of people filling stadiums in the heart of Europe booing African players, calling them names, jumping on their seats like monkeys. Samuel Eto´o is just one of these players. He even thought about leaving Europe and playing for an Uzbek club despite being one of the best players in the world. On the other hand, there still a disturbed and agitated black community in the US. This tension sometimes causes violent incidents. If you can not defend an argument in say Harlem or Bronx where the problem (as far as I know) is more evident, you shouldn´t defend it in Paris either.
Whatever we think, whatever that goes through our minds is registered in our language. Language is a mirror of who we are. We cannot think about anything that is impossible to convey in language. Though seemingly incorporeal language therefore, is an organic part of the human body. Language serves a pathway for younger people into our cultures. If you belong to a culture where it is normal to treat people of different colors as if they are different creatures, you see nothing wrong in doing so. You do have a problem if your child wants to marry one of them, if you run into a black person in a dark street and vice versa. If you are a cop, you regard a black person as a potential criminal though he may actually be more innocent than you ever have been. All these are in the thinking and in the language which are mutually related. The starting point of all of this nonsense is the feeling that people of different colors are essentially different. It has such an easy starting point...
In other words, if your language contains myriad of phrases differentiating between blacks and whites then you do have a problem in your social mentality which is properly reflected in the mirror of language. Language is a snapshot of all your social dynamics at any given time.
Any person including a child must see a human when he looks at a person of whatever color in the first place. Any associations in the mind about the nature or personality of that person with his/her skin color is a racist association which we keep inheriting to new generation.
I do agree with you to a great extent, but........... what to black people call us? White people or honkey! I don´t agree with calling someone a nigger or a spade or slit eye, or what ever (which is the sort of language that I grew up with) as that is meant to be derogatory. It is impossible to describe someone by their nationality so how else do you describe them if they are not white, what are the options? And racism exists without colour definition .........
And your last point, my daughter-in-law (sort of) is a teacher and the children see her as a teacher not as a coloured person.
yeah, I was wondering if it wasn´t a faux-pas but I wasn´t sure what synonym to use to cover non-white population
My sons girlfriend is half Mauritian so therefore "coloured" and she has no problem with being referred to as "coloured" or "black" or "brown". We have had long discussions about it (what term should be used that is). I think we get far to hung up about these things and it is not the people who are affected that are offended but those who promote the PC society.
I released about 1,500 ladybugs in my garden the other night in order to control aphid infestation. They were released with great care to follow the instructions. The last couple of mornings there have been a lot of birds in my garden.....the cycle of life goes on.
Where did you get the ladybirds from? Does someone breed them?
The little mouse my cat brought in this morning, cowering in the corner........ so 7:00am I was trying to catch the mouse before the cat killed it. Mission accomplished and mouse is free
Then there is another issue. What about the other father? Nobody mentioned the child´s right to his biological father or that father´s right to his child.
Perhaps she does not know who the "other" father is.............. those poor twins don´t know exactly who their father is.
Has your love affair ever caught you out? Well it did for this women, she managed to conceive twins by two different fathers.......... now try explaing that one away
I for one still think that the women declaring themselves equal to men are crazy.If these girls want to fell trees or go hunting, so be it...
Thank god, intelligent women are well aware that they are better.
Bit late for that comment, there are female lumberjacks and women go hunting (i used to!) and there are plenty of women in construction (my industry) bricklayers, plumbers, decorators, carpenters etc etc but I don´t know many men who have had a baby
I guess I could pose the same question back..who am I or who are we to deny someone to have more than 1 wife or husband? What makes it any different? If your saying it´s ok to marry the same sex, why would we put conditions on how many you can marry? Polygamists could use the same arguement as gays do to obtain legal rights. This opens a door for many more people who feel their rights are restricted. I personally don´t think there is anything wrong with following God´s intention for men and women.
I have to agree with you here - not a great fan of same sex marriages and all the fuss that is made about them - some famous ones have now "divorved" so not a lot different from straights. And yes, what right is going to next, the right to have sex with animals has not been mentioned yet!
especially a ballon ride if it is not too expensive.
We payed ballon ride for our daughter last September 125 € . I don´t know if it is expensive in your standarts (it was in ours!) - but she said it worth
That sounds much cheaper than the companies advertising - more like £200 (€180 approx) and yes it is expensive. But so is paragliding in Oludeniz, but it is worth it for once in a life time experience
This year it was far more entertaining in terms of good songs and the new voting system seems to work with far less neighbourly voting But hey Turkey, we gave you douze point so where was our douze point?? Norway fielded a complete weed - Sakis Rouvas was the man for me............ blow the song the white trousers and ripped shirt did it for me
There is stuborness from both sides here, neither side wishing to understand the other - both sides claiming they are right. Not wishing to teach grandma to suck eggs, but this comes from the different societies / cultures that those posters above live in and the level of acceptance within those cultures and the tolerance of different views. And thinking about those, Algeria is at one end of the spectrum whilst the Netherlands is at the other, so unlikely that opinions will converge
If you want my view on the subject , then to me it does not matter what sexual orientation someone is, so long as they are within the law and don´t force their opinions on to me (and I am the same with religion) I prefer to make my own mind up .... if they can do a job as well as the next person, then who cares.
I really don´t know what to say to this! As for time spent together, she is a working business woman at the moment, so that time may be short and it could be the child minder who spends most time with the child. Think of it from the point of the child - when the questions at school start, how old is your mum? Uhmmm my mum is 72........... "Is that your granny? No it is my mother". And if that child is lucky it will get maybe 20 years with its mother. I imagine my mother being a mother again, age 74, the child would be 8 - fancy dealing with an 8 year old and all their friends at 74.............
Why do we have to muck about with nature - nature stops us having children in our early 50´s for very good reasons.
Thought you might like to read these - as an example, only just outlawed in the UK and the EU by the Court of Human Rights (and we (UK) are a liberal society)!!!!
Sol Campbell, an ex-England player, taunted by homophobic chants ..........
So is Turkey really that backward? Certainly not 19th Century, more mid-20th Century or even late 20th century................ as for the UK it only became mildly tolerated in the mid 20th Century. It is still illegal in many countries and certainly not tolerated in many societies. And I did read somewhere that the Netherlands was thinking of castration as a cure.
Small steps I am afraid....... one thing we can always be assured of, there will always be homophobics and there will always be racists and there will always be extremists...
Yes, Stellios, my friend from Greece. I met him again in Cyprus last year in a beautiful village where his parents came from. He is now a very rich man, mainly because of his airline company Easy Jet. We have known each other for a few years now and became very close at one point. He told me last year if ever I was in any trouble he would do his best to help me. Now was the time, I couldn´t of asked for anyone better to bump into, with him owning airlines, he will get me home safe and sound......
But suddenly, Stellios turned his head quickly........... he had spotted someone..... he ran off the started to fight with another man, it was Michael O´Leary Stellios was shouting at him "how dare you charge for the toilet, how dare you charge by the pound, how dare you get the passengers to clap when you arrive on time"
I was all alone again as Stellios and O´Leary were arrested and dragged off by the police........... now what will I do
The secret motive behind Eurovision song contest is to find the degree of prevailing friendship between various countries, on that day. It is only a damn national popularity poll.
The song itself or the quality of music/singer makes no difference at all.....
Ahhh but they have changed the voting system to try and stop this! Part panel vote and part viewer vote............ but I bet it wont make too much of a difference........ and now Terry Wogan is not commentating on it (UK), it will be even more boring
Who told you we are all gud??? Somebody has been lying to you!
Speculating!!!! So I don´t want to spoil your cred - you are still the beddest of all Amerekens.......... and Teas is second beddest...... Elisabeth is the guddest (so I don´t leave her out  
Who knows what the truth is in these reports as one says Miss Jones was staying alone and the other says she was staying with a boyfriend. The fact that they died in Turkey is academic really - just sad that they died on holiday.
Agree totally and it is also sad that speculation which must be very upsetting for the families.
LONDON — Two British tourists have died in separate incidents in the Mediterranean resort town of Marmaris, U.K. and Turkish officials said Tuesday.
Police in Turkey said they were investigating the deaths of two women and the bodies had been sent to the city of Izmir for autopsies. Britain’s Foreign Office confirmed the deaths and said both were believed to have happened Monday.
The state-run Anatolia news agency said the women’s bodies were found in their hotel rooms. The victims have been identified as 45-year-old Carolyn Jane Birch and 32-year-old Sarah Samantha Jones. Their hometowns were not yet known.
Don´t know where you are from, but UK peeps get the visa at the airport (3 months) 10 crisp GBP and if you want to stay for 6 months then you will need to leave Turkey and re-enter and purchase another 3 month visa at the airport or hover port.. Just pop over to Greece and on the way back collect the visa. Rhodes, Kos etc etc............
More to it than meets the eye - we have typical (generalising here) Turkish man here who does not want to commit, so the "divorce rule" comes into play.............
Driving home tonight I spotted a cat on the side of the road, at the pelican crossing. A car was approaching me from the opposite direction. I looked in my rear view mirror, the car had stopped at the crossing and the little cat crossing the road
I can´t translate for you - sorry - but I did find a lot of information about the Semmering Railway by searching on google then doing a translation search. It is a World Heritage site so there should be info available.
surely, divorced is divorced and shouldn´t matter which nationality you are marrying the next time....if the man is divorced and free to marry a turkish woman then he should be divorced enough to marry an english woman?????? I fear a line is being played here!!!!!
Reading the stuff on the consulate website that is not quite the case. The Turkish man has to be divorced in both the UK and Turkey. So if he is married in the UK and gets divorced he then has to go through the process again in Turkey before he can marry again. But I do see where you are coming from sort of goes with Alphas collection joke.........
From the consulate site: (leads you to beleive it is a regular occurance if they are providing information  
If a marriage between a Turkish and a British national was solemnized in the UK and then registered in Turkey or if a marriage between a Turkish and a British national was solemnized and registered in Turkey, regardless of divorce degree that may be a obtained in the UK, a suit of divorce should be filed in Turkey as well. To this end the following steps should be taken by the foreign national:
* A solicitor in the UK will give Power of Attorney to an appointed solicitor in Turkey. The Power of Attorney should be apostilled by the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office. * Upon receipt of this Power of Attorney the appointed solicitor in Turkey will commence with divorce proceedings.
Well I am back, dunno how much contribution my having just seen Issiz Adam has had in this decision but I think my biggest concern for the time being is to lose this grotesque "the" before my good old nick.
So it is you! I am delighted to see you back............ how are the sleepless nights ??
My sentiments exactly.... 16 is far to young to get married and if it is for the rest of your life as it is meant to be, then it is most probably for a long long time! I married young (2 and although I am still married to the same person, I would not recommend it that young.
I agree wholeheartedly - getting married at 2 is way, way too young!!
haha! forgot to the put the space between the 0 and ) therefore got
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[that is so annoying :):)]
Surely it´s the passport you hold that determines the visa you get - not the country you are currently living in? Therefore a Turkish person would find it no easier to get to Britain from Japan than from Turkey.
That is correct and now we have toughened entry to the UK, it will be even harder. The British Consulate should be able to guide them, but I would hold out no hope whatsoever in getting a visa, and coming to the UK from outside Turkey.
could anyone answer a query i have. does anyone know if a turkish person currently working in japan (they have only been ther for two months)can get a holiday visa to england from japan consulate or do they have to go back to turkey and apply because someone said it was easier to apply in japan but i dont know if this was the right information
Here is the British Consulate website in Japan. I can only assume he/she would have to apply here but the UK Borders Agency are getting very tough on non-EU and non- EAA entrants to the UK so don´t expect it to be easy to get a holiday visa for your Turkish friend.
Yeap. Having sex is not as big a deal as getting married. At least it doesn´t have legal consequences. Marriage is supposed to last for a lifetime and I believe that when you´re 16 you should focus on getting to know the world and yourself, think about your future, educate yourself, not make a life-long contract. I can´t see why people should marry at 16, if they´re in love or, if you prefer, their parents consider them to be a good choice for each other, they will be in love or still well-matched in two years. Things change very fast with teens, the odds are they may be totally different people at 18. If they still feel like they did at 16, let tem get married. Why hurry things and risk that they may change their mind? Besides, I find it ridiculous that a 16 year old might be allowed to marry but not make decisions about his/her country by voting. In the US they wouldn´t be able to drink alcohol until 21 if I´m not mistaken. I don´t understand Alameda, why you insist on letting teens marry while they should be exploring who they are.
In the past people married younger but life expectancy was then about 40. Nowadays it´s some 30 years higher. People finally have the time to grow up not only physically but also mentally before committing themselves to marriage. (I think even 18 is too young to marry )
My sentiments exactly.... 16 is far to young to get married and if it is for the rest of your life as it is meant to be, then it is most probably for a long long time! I married young (2 and although I am still married to the same person, I would not recommend it that young.
I also find it incredible that in some countries you can get married but you can´t drink alcohol, drive a car or vote (in the UK for instance!) Age of consent is 16, car driving age is 17, voting age is 18.
As for Saudi, too right the age for marriage should be at least 16 (I actually agree 18 is better - why the rush??) "marriage" under the age of 16, yes it is legalised paedophilia and that is abhorent, disgusting beyond belief and what´s more it is supported by Western countries who keep Saudi "on side"....... pfffffff
Ok, I have an obsession with vintage items and love to support those who make handmade things. I frequently shop etsy.com which if you have never been on this site, I encourage you too. They just don´t sell anything like ebay, but items that are either handmade or items that are 20 years plus. Such creative people from all of the world. Yesterday, as I was doing my daily browsing low and behold came accross this article. Remarkable and such talented woman! I may just have to order something.
Maybe most of aged ladies in this site won´t come to Turchia in order to protect their wrinkle butts. Maybe the gigolo market, servant market, estate-agency market (especially in Halicarnassos) are closed for them.
what a pity!
Thank you for your conern over TC´s wrinkled butted ladies but what about the plump butted ones?
Today Carol Ann Duffy became the first female Poet Laureate, breaking the tradition of the male orientated nominations. She takes over from Andrew Motion who has just completed his 10yr stint. Prior to this, the Poet Laureate was for life.
She was nominated 10 yrs ago, but her nomination was dismissed by Tony Blair, the then Prime Minister, with the excuse that a lesbian poet would not be accepted in Middle England (our green and pleasant land, where the priviliged reside)... but little did he know that she would become the most read living poet of all time. Her contemporary poetry is widely read in schools and she spends much of her time visiting schools.
One of the most famous and popular Poet Laureates was Sir John Betjaman, whose statue adorns St Pancras Station, London. Others include Wordsworth and Ted Hughes. Read more here
The poet laureate is chosen by the government and the tradition goes back to the times of Charles II and they are supposed to produce poetry for state occasion and for the Monarch.
A sample of her poetry........
Stuffed by Carol Ann Duffy
I put two yellow peepers in an owl. Wow. I fix the grin of Crocodile. Spiv. I sew the slither of an eel. I jerk, kick-start, the back hooves of a mule. Wild. I hold the red rag to a bull. Mad. I spread the feathers of a gull.
I screw a tight snarl to a weasel. Fierce. I stitch the flippers on a seal. Splayed. I pierce the heartbeat of a quail.
I like her to be naked and to kneel. Tame. My motionless, my living doll. Mute. And afterwards I like her not to tell.
10 year old girl suffers 70% burns after spending 16 minutes on a sunbed, in a salon of unmanned sunbeds. You just pump in your money lie on the sunbed and pull down the lid and bingo !
I find in incomprehensible that she was able to do this and whats more, able to venture into town age 10 years old.
Well I heard that the smoking ban in bars/restaurants is supposed to come into full force at the beginning of June. A couple of the bars here have ´no smoking´ signs up already but apparently these bars are only used by illiterate people!
Signs? What signs? I didn´t see any signs? Was there some signs?
Get plenty of exercise because exercise helps build your immune system. Walk for at least hour a day, go for a swim, take the stairs instead of the lift.
Wash your hands often. If you can’t wash them, keep a bottle of antibacterial stuff around. Wear a mask when out in public places and avoid going out in public as much as possible while the swine flu is spreading. Get lots of fresh air. Open windows whenever possible. Get plenty of rest. Try to eliminate as much stress from your life as you can.
How this can be done in real life!
You can take the doctor’s office approach. Think about it, when you go for a shot, what do they do first? Clean your arm with alcohol.. Why? Because alcohol kills germs. So…… I put on my mask, walk to the liquor store (exercise), I put lime in my Corona (fruit), celery in my Bloody Mary (veggies), drink on the bar patio (fresh air), get drunk, tell jokes, and laugh (eliminate stress) and then pass out (rest). The way I see it, if you keep your alcohol levels up flu germs can’t get you!!!!
Libra!!!THANK u!!!in my home...5 electric guitars...one drum set..4 easels..as I paint..while not writing poems and not experimenting with ppl..ama..such colourful guitar..)))))))))thank u !!!!!!!!!SISTER))))
Glad you said experimenting "with" people and not "on" people!
Ohhhhh a drum set!! I always wanted to play drums.............
A film which works well as a serious document of human dignity.
Do you have any links to the film or information about the film? I did a seach and there are several links, but it would be interesting to see any links you have Roswitha.
The lyrics is from a song called "The Band Played Waltzing Matilda", performed by Liam Clancy of the Aussie band named "Clancy Brothers". It can easily be found in YouTube.
My Aussie friends tell me it is a very popular ballad in Australia; so popular that some Aussies would like to see it replace their existing national anthem.
It is extremely stupid, even, to suggest that I may have faked it. An apology will be in order.
The song Alpha posted is not a version of ´Waltzing Matilda´ - it´s a song dedicated to the Australian soldiers who died at Gallipoli that contains the lines ´and the band played Waltzing Matilda´ - and Alpha gave the link to the song in his original post.
Another to link to another version of the same song is below.
No, I was a little confused - thanks, that has squared things up for me! I couldn´t see the other link, same as you, so I assumed it was a version of Waltzing Matilda
I was a bit dubious about the original posts from Alpha and then the lyrics he posted have been puzzling over it. I always remember Rolf Harris singing Waltzing Matilda, and it was nothing to do with Gallipoli, more to do with bush men.
Matilda is a girl´s name, but it was also a sort of nick-name given to a swag (which is like a back-pack for your belongings that you take with you.)
To go "waltz with Matilda" was a very old Australian expression, that meant going on the road with your swag. This was used by workers who drifted wherever the work took them, either droving (shepherding) sheep or cattle, or shearing wool, etc in Australia.
I hope this makes sense to you.
and we also know "Swag" to be a bag of stolen goods! The burgler put the stolen items in a "swag bag"..............
But Henry, great description and it makes perfect sense!
I like raký ) and I am not Turk. there are many tourists in TUrkey. How could they distinguish between citizens and tourists?
I was wondering the same actually, when I am in Turkey I either drink Raki or Efes, Tea or Turkish coffee, the same as I only ever eat Turkish food. So if many tourists are like me, how do they know who is who? Do they consider tourism stats for particular areas or something like that?
No, I´m not getting married, don´t worry! However, reading on a Dutch forum about girls marrying a Turkish guy and needing a certificate of a blood test that has been done I wonder: what are they testing? Just STD´s? Genetical diseases, if so, which? Down´s syndrom, epilepsy, hemophilia, etc? Is there a Turk who can inform me, just to satisfy my curiosity? Thanks!
Surprised you did not do a search!! I think there were others discussions to.......
We have more floods than the cloggies! so you are much safer in the Netherlands (unless you try and cross the road in Amsterdam and don´t know which way the cyclists are coming )
A princess is walking along a pond in the royal gardens when she looks down and sees a really ugly frog. Picking the frog up, she comments on the creature´s rather hideous appearance.
Princess: "My, but you are really an ugly frog!"
Frog: "I know, I know, I got a really bad spell on me."
Princess: "Well I have seen frogs with spells but, none as ugly as you."
Frog: "Look, leave me alone my dear. I told you, it is a really bad spell."
Princess: "Well even so, if I kiss you will you turn into a prince?"
Frog: "I do not know dear, just a kiss may not be enough; a spell this bad will probably take a BJ."
Of course he wants his Big Jacket where he will find protection from evil
OMG I seem to have restarted WW11 again with my innocent wishes to the English and Turkish peoples on their special days. Whatever happened to respect? For my part I had a cup of tea and a scone. I had to miss out the clotted cream,butter and strawbery jam for health reasons.
Well it would not be TC if there was not a bit taunting......................... And obviously the sultanas or rasins in the scone can go towards you "5 a-day"
You´ve already lost that debate on the Jews in Jedwabne tami
Bad Nazists killed Jews, Poles died saving them, that´s why we have annual Remembrance Marches and that´s why many Jews are still grateful to us. And you fail to recognise that Poland used to be one of the most tolerant countries in Europe hence that high number of Jews in Poland. But you choose what to believe yourself, even against the facts, don´t you tamiboy?
I know you can´t gt over Vienna and the fact that I´m not a nationalist like yourself...if you want to point out Polish bad moments in history here´s some help:
- Poles lead to having Poland wiped out of world maps because they were so quarrelsome that the three world powers did that easily and Poland hasn´t rebuilt until 1918
- Poland is dependant on the catholic Church, officially we´re secular but Church has too much influence
- our president´s a bonehead (you could like him actually)
- we lick America´s bottom (again, something you know from experience )
- Bismarck said "Poles will never be able to govern themselves" and it´s true - get two Poles, you´ve got 3 viewpoints We´re good at fighting enemies, during peace we get at each other´s throat
- we´re corrupt
- we believe the whole world loved John Paul II
DD this is brilliant, but you forgot to mention that 2m Poles came to Britain in 2004 because we love you so much!!! You helped us win WWII.............. (I thought he might think that was a bad point too!!!!)
A controversial fertility doctor claimed yesterday to have cloned 14 human embryos and transferred 11 of them into the wombs of four women who had been prepared to give birth to cloned babies.
The cloning was recorded by an independent documentary film-maker who has testified to The Independent that the cloning had taken place and that the women were genuinely hoping to become pregnant with the first cloned embryos specifically created for the purposes of human reproduction.
Panayiotis Zavos has broken the ultimate taboo of transferring cloned embryos into the human womb, a procedure that is a criminal offence in Britain and illegal in many other countries. He carried out the work at a secret lab-oratory, probably located in the Middle East where there is no cloning ban. Dr Zavos, a naturalised American, also has fertility clinics in Kentucky and Cyprus, where he was born. His patients – three married couples and a single woman – came from Britain, the United States and an unspecified country in the Middle East.
Bydand are you offering to step into the breach? Perhaps you can offer a novelty night or something to get the punters in.............. for instance.........
An American woman has won her legal battle to ´harvest´ sperm from her dead fiance so she can have a child by him.
Gisela Marrero´s fiance Johnny Quintana died last Thursday when he suffered a heart attack at the age of 31.
Because the couple were not married, Miss Marrero, from the Bronx in New York, had to seek permission from the courts for her fiance´s sperm to be harvested.
After hearing Miss Marrero´s plea, a judge in New York then granted a court order giving her permission to harvest her dead lover´s sperm so that she can still have the second child they both wanted.
The Bronx judge said "yes" on Friday with only four hours left until the deadline.
Hmmm Not sure how I feel about this one.......... It is very very sad that she lost her fiance in such a tragic and prematurely way..... and I think I understand her need to have this child but to purposely bring a child into the world without a father and to take the sperm after his death with only her word on what his wishes might of or might not have been and the fact that she may be in severe shock due to her grief ....... I´m not sure I would have had the same clarity of thought to be able to take this action and make it stand up in a court of law
Glad I am not the only one who thinks like this! I think it would have been the last thing on my mind at a time like that ...........
Yummy jelly fish as it comes, eaten cold with a little soy sauce drizzled on the top, in Hong Kong or China.......... lovely!!! (you really do need a strong stomach....... )
Strange how most people think that Tulips are from Netherlands .......... we are surrounded by Tulips at this time of year, where I live on the east in the UK, it is close to an area called South Holland in Lincolnshire where Tulips are grown in abundance. A couple of week time there will be the tulip parade.
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[appologies for such a boring post!!!!!]
the grey sky looming above, rain drops still dripping down from the pregnant clouds above, we set out on our journey once again;
around and around we go in slow circles, moving to the beat of the thunder and rain that surrounds us;
as the droplets hit the ground, shattered realizations lay scattered reminding me nothing is same as it seems to be;
as another memory turns to dust i cut the lifeline that attaches me to the past and i shove it back into the depths where nothing will ever bring it back alive;
the rain does nothing to stop our journey, never forgetting, who we are we walk these streets of madness, knowing that,without each-other….. we are simply incomplete.
I read this with interest, although I would consider it a massacre rather then terrorism but then that is just semantics. I searched a bit more and found that the film had been shown at the Boston film festival at the end of last year. It looks like it would be a very thought provoking but interesting documentary.
Tami do you know if this has been released for viewing in other countries or is it just confined to the US?
...and to mine. As you said it just goes to prove how wrong it is prejudge people based on their looks. This woman has an amazing voice - I hope she can somehow realise her dream.
By what is in the papers today, she has not gone un-noticed around the world with something like 12 millions hits on youtube and the rich a famous commenting on her voice!
( ...you´ll never win the Booker Prize for this LL!! )
I was bored and I had lost my creativity .......... I was desparately trying to find it when I came across a chocolate Easter Bee from France.......... how sweet it was (hehe) and I gleefully bit off its head, then munched my way through the body........
you know I read the Full story, and I came to conclusion that she is just motivated and excited with the idea that she is the first woman who is going to build the mosque.
probably I am wrong. I guess such steps must done from the bottom of your heart and with pure intentions. Does not matter how beautiful and luxurious the mosques is, cause Allah first must be in your heart.
Then, please, could you help me to get the meaning of the following sentence
"The governing pro-Islamic political party was almost banned this year after it tried to allow women who wear Islamic head scarves to study at universities. " One moment as I got from this sentence women wearing head scarves are not allowed to study at university? Really? I haven´t known. But why?
That is correct....... women are not allowed to wear headscarfs in university to either study or teach, nor are they allowed in any public departments and government either. I don´t know exactly why, but I think it is something to do with Attaturks ideals of a secular state. It is a shame that women are being denied a good education because they wish to wear a scarf. I think there have been plenty of debates on here about this issue.
I find it a bit discriminatory really, as muslim women in the UK are allowed to wear scarves and full Burkas even where ever they are (in general).
But back to the mosque, it is quite beautiful and why not have a mosque that is attractive to look at? Surely it is moving on with modernisation.........
When this woman walked onto the stage of Britains got talent, people in the crowd were sniggering and giggling and pulling faces, a snearing bunch of prejudice people thinking she will be crap...............
So one good reason why you should never judge people by their looks......... sorry for those who cannot see youtube....
It was the deleted and blocked from Facebook Army! ............. everyone who had ever been deleted or blocked from facebook had joined forces with the deleted Spammers and Ignore Army (yes the "ignored on TC army" had also joined forces with the deleted Spammers Army) .............. They were waving their at everyone .................. what next, the blocked and deleted MSN/yahoo/google Army???????? Arrrrrrgggggggggggggg
So quickly turning on my heel I nonchalantly walked in the other direction....... phew a lucky escape this time
Kiara, Communism is a form of socioeconomic structure where the wealth of a country is held in common ownership. One can be both communist and democratic. Any form of government can take one´s freedom away, and many do.
It looks like the US actually has more of an oligarch. That is, rule by the elite, not the people. Just look at our election process. How many poor people run? If you can get air time, that is if the TV stations like you, you may get your ideas presented. Who owns the media? Here is a clickable chart of media ownership. Just whose interests do you think they represent?
It´s sad to say, but is is not likely Lincoln would have been able to win an election today.
List of forms of government Anarchy Aristocracy Authoritarianism Autocracy Communist state Confederation Corporatocracy Consociational state Demarchy Democracy Direct Representative Consensus Despotism Dictatorship Military Ethnocracy Exilarchy Federation Feudalism Military junta Kleptocracy Kratocracy Kritocracy Kritarchy Logocracy Meritocracy Geniocracy Minarchism/Night Watchman Monarchy Absolute Constitutional Diarchy/Co-Kingship Noocracy Ochlocracy/Mobocracy Oligarchy Panarchism Plutocracy Puppet state Republic Crowned Capitalist Constitutional Federal Parliamentary
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For 2 years I can not visit Istanbul and for 1 year I am not visiting this website. Now I am about to go to Istanbul next few days and logging in this class. I can see old friend remained and writing here while others leaving this website for awhile. hope for the all a very happy life and best wishes for them. Tell you friends this website developed since I left before a year. So it is good feeling to see you all again happy and still in this wonderful life...
Harika ve Gozel Hayat
Is it really one year? If I recall you had not been well then, so I hope you are much better now. Have a great time in Istanbul - I am more than a little jealous!
I am pleased you like the columns, they are a nice addition to the site (even if I am a writer  .
An interesting article. Having carried out many trips to China to inspect factories, there are some surprises on the list! They must have cleaned up their acts since then!
Poor chap with pains in his chest did not expect to have a spruce tree growing in his lungs............... gives a whole new meaning to being "spruced up"!!
Glad they were able to remove the sapling from his lungs!!
HOÞÇAKAL Ãþte gidiyorum, birþey demeden Arkamý dönmeden, þikayet etmeden Hiçbirþey almadan, birþey vermeden Yol ayrýlmýþ, görmeden ... Gidiyorum Ne küslük var, ne piþmanlýk kalbimde Yürüyorum sanki senin yanýnda Sesin uzaklaþýr herbir adýmda Ayak izim kalmadan ... Gidiyorum Gerdiðin tel kalbimde kýrýlmadý Gönül kuþu þarkýdan yorulmadý Bana kimse sen gibi sarýlmadý Iþýðýmýz sönmeden ... Gidiyorum KAZIM KOYUNCU FAREWELL Here I´m going, without saying anything Without turning back, without complaining Without taking anything, without giving anything The road diverged, without my awareness... I´m going There´s neither anger nor regret in my heart As if I´m walking by your side Your voice is fading away with each step Without leaving footsteps I´m going The string you tuned has never been broken in my heart The heart bird hasn´t become tired of singing No one has embraced me like you did Before our light goes out... I´m going (Translated by Ayla)
I was searching the site and came across this beautiful song so I thought I would bring it to the top.
Edited (4/8/2009) by libralady
[Sorry it has lost its formatting................. ]
Also do a search within TC. In the section TC Website you will find a search facility for searching this site and there are a variety of threads where you might be able to find something.
This place is somewhat calm, isn´t it? Now that the hostess embezzled all the money and ran away to unknown location with a big-arsed evil Borat in order to break fragile moral spines of young hairy Turks by means of bribery, I´m beginning to miss those times when...
*singing*
Once upon a time there was a tavern lounge
Where we used to raise a glass or two Remember how we laughed away the hours And dreamed of all the laptops things we would send
I thought it had closed due to the recession Do you want to take over at the helm??
hi, i´m learning turkish and i would appreciate some help.
can someone translate this- did work go okay today? and point out the Subject, object and the verb.
thanx
You need to repost this in the translation forum as a new thread. This thread was only ever set up to be amusing so translations are not really done here.
"Turkey is not just misunderstood. The country is also misunderstood incorrectly. Or so goes a word game popular among Turks from all walks of life when the topic turns to how the country is perceived internationally".
A long but interesting article focusing on opinions of five people chosen from various segments of society of what they think President Obama might not know about Turkey (and should know).
There are a few things I have learnt, one that Iranians can travel into Turkey without a visa. That explains why there were several Iranians in Oludeniz last time I went.
Turkish men can all generally manage to grunt and growl. Having been recently civilized, only a limited number have picked up simple words like "kadin" (meaning woman) and "aÞ" (meaning food). Rest of the communication is either by Morse code or by smoke signals.
oh my...I´m so sorry. I didn´t mean to offend . This is not what I meant at all. Let me start over, if I may. I have a Turkish friend, he calls me honey and caným all the time. I know that in some cultures these words are used very freely (I hear people calling others -that they hardly know - "sweetie, honey and other words I look at as endearing) and all I wanted to know is should I see this as a term of endearment, or is he just being polite? Please don´t be offended, I think you either misunderstood what I was asking, or I didn´t word it very well.
Hey, take no notice - you did not offend our dear Alpha! I think canim is a common term used just like we use honey, sweetheart and that sort of thing... with our friends etc
I am a teacher in Blackburn, where this incident happened. I saw the headline on the billboard outside a shop. My first reaction was that the ban wasn´t necessary. The reason I thought this was because I work in a primary school and as such, staff have daily contact with parents as they collect them from school. In such a situation, I would say a ban would not be necessary because we would be very familiar with all parents and thus we would recognise her, even fully covered.
In most primary schools, parents´ evening is conducted within the classroom, whereas in High Schools (which is what the school in question is) parents´ evening is generally conducted in the main hall. All staff are seated around the edge of the hall, at a table, and chairs for waiting parents are in the centre. It is a very crowded situation. Also, high school staff do not come into contact with parents very often. I remember going to my daughter´s parents evenings and some of the staff had trouble recalling who my daughter was, never mind who I was!!! (And this was at a relatively small school of 600 . . . many high schools are double that size).
So in such a high school situation I would say the staff are in the same position as Jack Straw believed he was, vulnerable if they can´t even see whether the person is male or female. A while ago a suspected terrorist escaped the country by posing as a fully covered Muslim woman . . . I don´t remember the exact details, but the incident has caused people to be cautious perhaps.
What I would say to Jack Straw and this school is . . . you don´t know really anyone who walks through your door, covered or not . . . anyone could be a danger. Look at recent news articles where people, even students, have returned to their schools and killed.
Maybe Members of Parliament, when they are conducting their constituency clinics, andhigh schools, when they are conducting their parents´ evenings, should have general security measures in place, for all parents. Rather like airports? (tongue in cheek)
I think there is a degree of compromise needed here. If a woman chooses to fully cover herself, then she must expect to meet some difficult situations with regard to security. So, is it acceptable for schools to ensure there is a room, staffed by women, who can check out the face of the covered Muslimas? To do this they would have to have the photo of every parent on record and, as far as I know this is not procedure. Or perhaps the child could have accompanied his/her parent?
It is one of those situations that does not have a clear cut answer, but it definitely does divide opinion, especially when reported by the Daily Mail .
If the decision has been made for security reasons, then I think a whole battery of security measures would need to be implemented because danger comes from all walks of life these days.
No veil? ok she can enter . . . What about the stock of ammunition she may have under her clothing? What about the knife any parent may have secreted about his person? What about the parent who had a very bad experience of school and harbours a grudge? In high schools, the ist of reasons for security would be endless. High school teachers do not know the parents so well and may have never even met them.
The sad thing is, I have heard that the government is planning to close down some high schools across the country and create new, even larger institutions. Logistical nightmares.
Without knowing the full details, I wou;d say the school hasn´t done enough to accommodate the needs of the parent or the child. Nowadays, schools have policies for everything and there should be a policy in place in this instance, but not just to state who they will ban, but how they can best accommodate the needs of all parents/children. The buzz word of Blackburn with Darwen Education Authority is ´inclusion´, as it is throughout the country. I don´t see how this incident illustrates inclusion. I wouldn´t say that certain sectors of society need special treatment. If security is of such importance then perhaps measures should be all inclusive, with all parents subjected to some form of security measure at the entrance (for reasons I have already stated).
We are living in different times I guess.
Great answer PT and once again the Daily Mail doing a splendid job stirring up a bit more racial hatred! I am sure that paper is backed by the BNP
Mine used to be Kill Bill but now I can´t tell you what it is, some tune or other hahaha and my husbands is What´s your name by the Ting Tings! It used be "ginger alert, ginger alert" but he decided it was a bit offensive when he was working round someones house who happened to be ginger and his phone rang!!!!
Well I am pleased to say that I have been to that beach and it is lovely. I have shared a barbeque at one of the beach huts, out of shot on a lovely evening some time ago. And of course been able to go Giresun Island which is a must for anyone, but it does involve hiring a boat and skipper! Whilst you are on the island he will catch some fish for your supper! A great day out....
ANKARA - Members of the judiciary will be trained to better deal with domestic violence cases under a new program, Justice Minister Mehmet Ali Þahin announced yesterday before answering reporters’ questions about the local elections.
The two-year training project, a joint effort of the Justice Ministry and the state ministry responsible for women and children’s affairs, aims to raise judges’ awareness about violence against women, domestic violence and social gender equality, and to improve their communication skills.
The protocol on the role of members of the judiciary in combating violence against women was signed yesterday in Ankara with the participation of Þahin and State Minister for Women and Children’s Affairs Nimet Çubukçu.
The judges who serve in 164 family courts will initially be provided with training in groups of 25 or 30 people, Çubukçu said.
The United Nations Population Fund will provide technical and financial support to the project.
Þahin said the existing 164 family courts were not sufficient and that Turkey needed 19 more, adding that for judges to be able to serve in the family courts, they must be over the age of 30, married with children and have a master’s degree in family law.
Noting that family courts not only deal with cases of domestic violence but take social, educational and protective measures to solve the problems stemming from it, Þahin said the new training will contribute to the resolution of problems that have occurred during the implementation of the law.
This is great news and ought to be fostered in other countries.
Reading this, I think Turkey is ahead of the game, after listening to a lecture yesterday on the British legal system by a London Lawyer.............. and how many (not all!) Judges in the UK fit into a certain criteria
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How friendships can develop and then be destroyed by the interference, possessiveness and jealousy of others ............... and a few other things about friendships.
I fail to see the drama but it seems you want to make some. What´s so dramatic about calling it like I see it. Did I single you out?
But if you want to shed light on your own comments, you did say that you are old fashioned and you believe that a child needs two parents, not a single or gay parent. That would point to signs that you are against adoption by these groups...hence "anti".
The word "anti" is a bit dramatic ............. it is just not my way of doing things but I don´t have a problem with those who do.
In my opinion the rights of the child is not the primary consideration in many of these cases (single adoptions, gay adoptions etc etc) but the selfishness of the person (s) doing the adoption.
Just watching the news on TV and an olympic pole volter is making a protest about budget cuts for athletes by running through Paris naked with his pole (now now!!!)
I see no problem with outside adoption IF there are not enough nationals willing and able to adopt. Why let a child rot in an orphanage just to ensure they stay in their homeland?
I have a friend (a single woman) who adopted a Chinese girl. This child was in horrible condition when she was adopted. She was sickly, she could not stand to be touched or held because in the orphanage she was left in her crib day after day….only picked up to be fed or changed.
Three years later, the girl is absolutely thriving! Her mother has ensured that she is aware of her Chinese culture and kept her Chinese name. I can’t help but wonder what her fate would have been if someone from the outside hadn’t come to give her the love and nurturing that she was lacking in the orphanage.
As for the anti - single parent/anti-gay adoption folks out there…..how many horrible parents have we all seen that fit the bill of two parents, opposite sex? PLENTY! A loving home is a loving home….straight, gay, or single!
Why not add a bit of drama, I am not anti, just don´t agree with it 100% .
Your right, but your also claiming the legitemacy of a terrorist far right party in goverrnment, yes? And there right to exist in government?
I am not supporting any terrorist group here, but sometimes giving a voice to those people in government is the way to solve the issues, to some extent. An example of this is Sinn Fein in Northern Island. Don´t forget how the peace process was started by talking to Shin Fien with the wonderful late Mo Molem. She made so much progress which was then hijacked by others. Think what would have happened had Sinn Fein been banned?
1) Exactly, especially those like the UK or Eire with great social benefits for families with children
2) This one´s made me laugh - just picture those dudu-driven Brits and Amerikans moving to Turkey. There´d be a need to restore polygamy as some westerners will share a few dudus Picture that happy family with a dudu in the middle
You can just picture it now, all those young, love struct girlies wanting to work in the tourist resorts, foam parties, pub crawls and the like............. uhmmmmm somehow I don´t think so
Women may be able to blame impulse buys and extravagant shopping on their time of the month, research suggests.
In the 10 days before their periods began women were more likely to go on a spending spree, a study found....
The spending behaviour tends to be a reaction to intense emotions
..
Almost two-thirds of the 153 women studied who were in the later stages of their menstrual cycle - known as the luteal phase - admitted they had bought something on an impulse and more than half said they had overspent by more than £25.
I am not so sure about this, why are there not enough people in Turkey who can or will adopt Turkish children? Is it not a common thing?
My worry is that you end up with the Madonna effect, not so sure it is right that children are taken out of their natural environment. I know they adapt, but we are not talking about a third world country here, we are talking about a country that is looking for entry into the EU.
I am afraid I am the old fashioned sort and I believe that a child needs two parents, not a single parent by choice or gay parents.
939.365 people have voted again for the person who has been their mayor for the last 15 years and who has been selling the natural gas abnormally expensive but not paying this money back to BOTAÞ, who has sold the gas meter for double price, who made the people drink dirty water containing even arsenic, who couldn´t finish even a single subway construction during this period and who even doesn´t arrange enough buses, who made the traffic a mess (and impossible to talk about every horrible thing he made) and so shortly, who created a city which is ugly and has 4 billion YTL debt.
I wouldn´t mind Turkey´s accession to the EU but I doubt it´s soon possible with the army influence on Turkish democracy, Turkish-Kurish relations and human rights issue. I wonder how true the "Turkey will provide labour force and a breeze of youth into auld ageing Europe" is. For now even that small European population has outgrown the job market and unemployment rates in all EU countries is going up.
Have to totaly agree with you on this, considering that Romania and Bulgaria are still under labour movement restrictions and will remain so for the next few years. I was on a committee (in the UK to look at removing restrictions here) recently where this was debated in relation to construction, and our recommendation was that the restriction should be lifted more over due to the vulnerability of the workforce that these restrictions create in health & safety terms, but the government did not take our recommendations seriously and carried on with the restrictions.
No country in the current EU will allow Turkey´s population freedom of movment across the EU whilst it is in the grips of a severe recession.
But looking at it conversely, would Turkey allow freedom of labour movement into Turkey and other Eruopeans taking Turkish jobs in the tourist industry for instance?
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Huh! That proves absolutely NOTHING! You think Yarmouth is the only place in the world producing pink rock??? Ask Femme and theH - they will vouch for the fact that I bought it from a small Arab gentleman named Honest Achmet who spoke extremely good English and kept saying to theH ´Hev yew gotta loight boy?´
Did he recite:
I can´t read, I can´t roit, but that don really matter,
I´m a Norwich city fan and I can drive a tracor,
Edited (3/30/2009) by libralady
[a few glasses is my excuse............. ]
Just to clarify the situation, everyone is under the assumption that I am female, for some reason. I´m male, 53 years old wife and teenage child.
Oooooops Sorry I suppose I was generalising - it is normally women who write these sort of things, and it is not unusual for a girl to call herself a guy - as in you guys (if I start to explain the hole gets bigger )
I think what Rezzy has written is a very interesting observation and she is not stereotyping Turkish men at all! In fact what she is doing is confirming many of the hundreds of similar posts from girls/women with or who have had Turkish boyfriends. How many other personal situations has she reflected here? We see this all the time in the translation forum, not possibly so graphically described but it is all there. But I do make the point, we only generally hear the bad stories and not the good stories
I was not aware of any advertising in the UK - the G20 Summit has grabbed that accolade. I heard something on the news, but in relation to security rather than making a point about increasing awareness of global warming.
Following on from Justintime´s post, and how unsatisfactorily it has been advertised, I thought I would post about earth hour. Most people would not even know that it exists.
Some 74 countries around the world will switch off lights in major cities at 08:30pm, local time for one hour. It all begain in Sydney Austrialia in 2007 and has now become an annual event a round the world. But how many individuals know????
Will you be switching off your lights?
Edited (3/28/2009) by libralady
[15 mins left in the UK before lights out!]
if we leave other private reasons. main reason is none of the mods can speak turkish.
I dont think even they can form a turkish sentence. for example you Trudy, you are a member of this site for many years. what do you know about turkish except aþkým, bebeðim, merhaba, seni seviyorum) mods are also same. so we need a mod who is native turkish speaker.
Janissary, you should retract this statment as it has now been pointed out to you that there are several Turkish mods on this site with Admin being Turkish himself. Therefore I ask that you either modify the post or retract the statement.
Moderators must be changed coz of some reasons. I dont wanna explain why
We need new moderators.
Hopefully you have sent a PM to Admin (the chief of the site!) and explained fully to him your problems with the moderators so he can take up your points. It is no good writing a post here with no explanation why you think "we" need new mods.
... a new research published in the "Journal of Sexual Medicine"
comes to shatter these unrealistic beliefs of what healthy sex means.... but 7 to 13 minutes is the ideal, and even three-minute sex is "adequate."
T.. People rated 7 to 13 minutes most "desirable", but intercourse of 3 to 7 minutes was regarded as "adequate", while anything less was "too short" and over 13 minutes was "too long".
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"There is a major gender difference in this area. Usually women are quite happy with short intercourse, and are not bothered about prolonging it at all, but nearly all men want it to be much, much longer. It is important not to obsess over the length of intercourse....
10 posts (ermm 9 posts) to go and I am on top of Libralady
I might just post a few Janissary style smilies...
Rushing off to check! You are taking advantage of my busy working week
This is not fair!! I have not been able to get to a computer til tonight and you have got on top of me.......... I know your game, trying get under thehandsom
Edited (3/26/2009) by libralady
[Had to check out the seriousness of the situation............. ]
I posted the longer version one a while ago...it makes me cry every time
I knew I had seen it before but could not remember! I tried to find the one with the Aerosmith track, I don´t wanna a miss a thing - now that does reduce me to tears
Me too today! Catching the train to London at 6:50............ and I had a great day! Been to see the construction site that will be the biggest tower block in Britian at 72 floors.......... and they are not even out of the ground yet It has to be completed by 2012.
Forgot to say, this building is called the Shard and it will look like this!
I do find this Islamic thing quite confusing when there appears to be so many interpretations of how Muslims should live, from the extreme of the Talaban and terrorists (those I would call fundamentalists) and those who like to take a drink and have a couple of women on the go (I would call modern Muslims). And how the religion is intepreted from one country to another.
If you are either a Muslim or not a Muslim, how come there is such a deviation from one extreme to the other? I am truely confused
Stamps feet............ storming off now for reminding me now going to look at wiki about Adana´s horsies (Will probably help me sleep better tonight  
"Love them or loathe them, it is difficult to avoid moustaches when you live in Turkey. They are a national institution. But as our Ankara correspondent Chris Morris discovered, the future of the Turkish moustache.
Since I arrived in Turkey last year, I´ve had a few hairy moments, most of them involving wild-eyed lorry drivers with an obvious death wish. But I´ve not yet had THE hairy moment - the sudden realisation, which apparently comes to most Turkish men, that I simply must grow a moustache.
There are several good reasons for that. It wouldn´t suit me, and my wife would find it hard to stop laughing.
But I am a little worried about the reaction of the average Turkish male - the nagging feeling that you´re not a real man around here unless you´re sprouting from the top lip. Make no mistake, facial hair is a serious business. And this isn´t an extended national version of the Revolutionary Command Council in Iraq, where everyone is apparently trying to look like Saddam Hussein.
Far from it. In Turkey, the moustache is a distinct part of your own personality.
Truly a magnificent piece - just a shame I did not think about it instead of writing about dull boring things........ the exictment of growing a moustache must be almost too much to bear for the young pre-pubescent dudu´s
Edited (3/25/2009) by libralady
[my brain is far quicker than my fingers .......... or is it the other way round]
Karacabey is a town in Marmara region of Turkey,Bursa province famous for its stud farm (and finest kind of cheese called Mihalic.)
Karacabey horse was light,riding one appearing black,chestnut,roan,gray,bay)It is said to be the only one typically Turkish breed.
Must have been beautiful as now this breed is extinct.Pityyyy
Anyway Libra would you fancy a bit of investigation into the topic of Turkish horses?Or perhaps there is the TC-ist who knows more about Karacabey horses?Perhaps someone has a photo of this extinct breed as unfortunately I cannot find it in the net...Karacabey farm still exists but without Karacabey breed.
Would appreciate more info)Thanx in advance.
You are one for throwing down a challenge! Let´s see if anyone can fulfill your desire to know more about these horses
I have just spent the last 10 minutes trying to find something to make me laugh and here it is:
An 18-year-old has secretly (not such a secret now) painted a 60ft drawing of a phallus on the roof of his parents´ £1million mansion in Berkshire. It was there for a year before his parents found out. They say he´ll have to scrub it off when he gets back from travelling.
I don´t suppose you normally go up on the roof to see what has been painted lately! I wonder if it will show up on google earth?
AMSTERDAM – Holiday goers went to their British travel agency with the most weirdest complaints. What do you think of the next? The Daily Telegraph made a Top 20.
1. A man saw a very clearly exited elephant near a water pool. His honey moon was ruined because he felt ‘so jealous’.
2. A woman threatened to call the police because she said the hotel staff locked her up in her room. The truth is that she thought the ‘Do not disturb sign’ was an order not to leave her room.
3. ‘The beach was too sandy….´
4. A guest in an Australian hotel complained the soup was too strong and too thick. He drank by accident the gravy….
5. ‘Topless sun bathing should be forbidden on the beach, my holiday is ruined because my husband was staring all day to other women.´
6. ‘We bought a pair of Ray-Ban sunglasses at a street stall for five euro. It turned out to be fake....’
7. ‘No-one told us there are fish in the sea. Our children were shocked.´
8. ‘Our flight from Jamaica to England took over nine hours, while the Americans were only three on the plane.´
9. ‘My fiancé and I booked a room with two separate beds but we have got a double room. I’m holding you responsible for me now being pregnant.
10. ‘According to the 3-room apartment of our friends our 1-room apartment was much smaller..´
11. ‘The brochure said: No hairdressers at the location. We are trainee hairdressers. Are we allowed to go there?´
12. About a holiday in Spain: There are no many Spanish people, the receptionist speaks Spanish, the food is Spanish and there are too many foreigners.´
13. ‘The beach was not like showed in the brochure. In the brochure it is yellow, in reality it is white.´
14. ‘We need to stand in line outside, without air-conditioning.´
15. ‘You as a tour operator have to tell us up front about noisy hotel guests.´
16. ‘I got bitten by mosquitoes. No one told me they would do that.´
17. ‘You should announce in the brochure that the local store does not sell delicious cookies.´
18. ‘It is only laziness from shop owners to close their shop in the afternoon. During siesta I need often things, they should forbid it!´
19. ‘Almost every restaurant I visited during my trip to Goa (India) had, to my disgust, curry on the menu. I don’t like spicy food at all.´
20. ‘We booked an excursion to a water park. But no one told us we need to bring bathing suits and towels.´
Death Penalty: 2,390 executions in 2008 worldwide, 72 per cent in China
24 March 2009
This is a disgusting statistic in my view, when you look at where the most executions takes place and realise that many of those being executed are for political reason (China in particular) and in places like Saudi and Afghanistan it is for simple "crimes" where people are execute for adultery. And has it not been proven that the death penalty does not deter serious crime?
It is sweet of you to think about us virtual TCists and to keep us up to date with life in Istanbul! It is great to hear that you are doing well and things are moving in the right direction for you.
Some advice: Get plenty of sleep now while you can
If someone in such a responsible job rather prays than do what he is paid for, I think he has chosen the wrong job. To me this verdict is very deserved.
I think he got off pretty light actually..........
Is there ever a wrong time to pray? Seems like it, and the Tunisian Pilot has been sentenced to 10 years by an Italian court for praying rather than turning his attention to a pending disaster, where 16 people died when the plane he was piloting crashed.
Assembled by sewing, gumming or otherwise (other than pieces goods consistingof two or more lenghts of identical material joined end to end and pieces goods composed of two more textile assembled in layers whether or not padded) or:
can someone translate it pls
This is not particularly good English for someone to translate. Is it from instructions for a product made in a Chinese factory? At a guess I would say it is something that has been translated from one language into English.
The sentance in the bracket does not make much sense.
I enjoyed Beyond the Orchard by Azize Ethem last week ... it is a good analysis of the concept of "yabanci". As a Kiwi she is accepted into the village more than the flash Turks from the city.
Now reading Foreign Devils on the Silk Road. Fascinating book by Peter Hopkirk on the stealing of antiques from Xinjiang province (bit similar to LÃRs column this week ....)
It is over 20 years since Turkey first formally applied and Ankara has been warned that it could be a decade or more before the country actually joins. Besides, a few current EU member states, such as Austria and France, have indicated that they are not sure Turkish membership is a good thing anyway.
They are wrong. Full and equal membership of the EU will be good for both Europe and Turkey. Economically, the integration of Turkey into the European single market will make the EU a global colossus, a more than effective counterweight to the United States, let alone Japan and most of the major emerging economies. Moreover, the addition of a predominantly young Turkish labor force should be a stimulus to the European economy as it emerges from the current recession, given the ageing of the union´s population as a whole.
Politically, the potential gains are at least as important. The EU speaks with one voice not only on trade matters, but on global concerns such as climate change and the promotion of European values like democratic government and human rights. An integrated Turkey, clearly committed to the latter, could make the European Union an immense force for good in the eastern Mediterranean and beyond.
The Turkish population and business community will make a substantive leap forward through EU membership, far beyond the benefits of the customs union and other EU-Turkey arrangements currently in place. In particular, people in the less developed regions such as eastern Anatolia will see a whole new world of opportunity opened up, not just through migration but more importantly through the creative deployment of EU funds in the poorer regions themselves.
Politically, EU membership should strengthen democracy and human rights inside Turkey. An applicant country has to show that it fulfils stringent political as well as economic conditions in order to qualify -- the so-called Copenhagen criteria....
I do not underestimate the challenges ahead for both Turkey and the EU ..... The revelations about aspects of the "deep state" that have come about as the murky deeds of the Ergenekon group have become public are testimony to the scale of some of the problems. Moreover, even when laws are changed, it does not mean that they are immediately or successfully implemented. Crucially, there are still areas of the Turkish Penal Code (TCK) -- not least the notorious Article 301 -- and maybe even the Constitution which require further revision.
However, I wonder if some of the opponents of Turkey´s EU membership ....realize the degree to which their negative attitude endangers the process of reform ... When these critics mumble about how they want to keep the EU an overwhelmingly Christian society, they clearly do not know their history (or indeed acknowledge the growth of European secularism over the past century!). ..
.. six decades of membership of the Council of Europe, the Strasbourg-based, continent-wide organization ... Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Turkey is already half-integrated into the institutional architecture of Europe, as well as into the North Atlantic Alliance, through NATO.
EU membership is the logical and culminating stage of that bonding process and as such should be facilitated and welcomed by all parties involved.
Apart for a bit of emboldening, is his your opinion? I am not so sure that this is the case from a pro EU paper I guess.
I wonder how Turkey would cope with all the health & safety, employment laws, environmental and human rights legislation that exists in the EU - the cost of implementation would be huge in both economic and human terms.
There is quite alot on the site about getting a visa to visit the UK. Have a look at the essay I have linked above. Trying using the search facility found on the left hand side of the webpage, in the TC Website section. Search there and you can see many of the threads that already exist.
hello how are you my name h**** from turkey me 33 years older singel male never been marrýed l realy lýke your picture so much l realy want meet wýth you pls add me ýf you want meet wýth me ******@hotmail.com
I assume I´m the only one who received this ´love letter´? Eh?
Sorry to dissappoint but I have the same one twice - I just reminded him of that!
If he had said he was very rich and hairy then I might have added him........... but as it stands .......
Melek is nice and very helpful really, and cynic also was helpful -when he is in the mood i may add- and has many informative, and lengthy posts were/are good readings.
Canli, I hate to say this but you must have been wearing rose tinted glasses..............
now Yilgin going was more of a loss, a young enthusiastic young man who never had a bad word to say (but just bored people with his few lists)
im going to bed now, but before i go to toilet, i will brush my beautiful white teeth, then i spend a little time on a toilet seat thinking about the human history back to 25 000 years and their unknown (unproven) goddess. i will be thinking what the hell creationism has to do with goddess worshipping. wondering if she brought that issue out from her back pocket where she keeps her mirror in case she forgets about herself today when lacked anything worthy to say or simple lack of knowledge on history at all.
after that i will put my pyjama on, that kate moss style. maybe i should upload my picture posing in my sexy pyjama?
oh, i must plan of what to post in TC tomorrow. i know, i will post what clothes i will put on, then i will post hmmmm.... whatever, ah, it doesnt matter at the end. TC will get used to my crappy and stupid posts with no valuable info included, the most important thing is ME.
Haha! thanks so much for the (too) much information and the wonderful description of me............ you know made up so much about me
Edited (3/19/2009) by libralady
[lalalalalala............... ]
naaaaaah, have no mood to go into details of who and why deleted my post, that had contained no insult.
btw, before you worried about me. why dont you think a little bit? nobody knows anything about the history that dates back to 25 000. the historians can go as far as 3-4 000 BC.
It does not bother me how far they can go back - I am more into what can be proven scientifically than historically..... that is why I am not a creationist.
Today in London I arrived to find the underground station closed, so I had to walk to the office - then when I was coming home tonight, the underground was delay due to "Person under train"....... and that is the description they use
Since I have angered libra and LIR, two of my favorite mods, I thought I would post something that nobody other than the mighty kitty kat would be able to delete... Here is what I think about feminism...
You have not angered me, I am just doing my job as an impartial moderator as is Lady in Red.
You are so childish and predictable cat... why did you delete my last post pertaining to feminism? Was it obscene? No. Was it against the rules? No. Was it a personal insult or harrasment? No.
Then just why? Other than for a little power trip...
Tisk tisk... bad kitty...
Actually it was me who deleted the post not Catwoman. In my view it crossed the line and was obscene enough to warrant deleting.
The founder of the One Taste Urban Retreat Center, Nicole Daedone, sees herself as leading “the slow-sex movement,” one that places a near-exclusive emphasis on women’s pleasure — in which love, romance and even flirtation are not required.
"In our culture, admitting our bodies matter is almost an admission of failure," said Ms. Daedone, 41, who can quote the poet Mary Oliver and speak wryly on the intricacies of women’s anatomy with equal aplomb. "I don’t think women will really experience freedom until they own their sexuality." (I agree with this 99% btw)
At 7 a.m. each day, as the rest of America is eating Cheerios or trying to face gridlock without hyperventilating, about a dozen women, naked from the waist down, lie with eyes closed in a velvet-curtained room, while clothed men huddle over them, stroking them in a ritual known as orgasmic meditation OMing, for short. The couples, who may or may not be romantically involved, call one another "research partners."
So if you´re not implying that this behavior is typical for immigrants and migrants, then would you be so kind as to explain what the connection is? I just can´t seem to get it thru my thick head.
No, it is the NATIVES (UK CITIZENS) where the immigrants and migrants live, NOT THE IMMIGRANTS AND MIGRANTS ..... surely my post is not that difficult to decipher? But then there is the case where immigrants also incite racial hatred, but we let then get away with it for the sake of being called racists................
And the BNP (British National Party - BIGOTS AND RACISTS) and the Migrant Watch organistion (BIGOTS AND RACISTS) and newspapers like the Daily Mail who condone the behaviour.
No, it looks like you thought that´s typical for migrants and immigrants.
Of course a British national would never behave that way.
You need to read my post again! I was saying because we have migrant and immigrant in this country, that has created an atmosphere where this sort of thing is increasing. The BNP, Migration Watch etc condone that sort of behaviour. I find it dispicable.
Tired of needing visa with not just a small amount to pay but loads of paperwork to fill in for almost every country you like to visit? Become Dutch and most of the world is open to you. But beware, thanks to my ´fine´ government the demands for this have increased. From now on, people wanting the Dutch citizenship need to: pass a language + culture exam (European level A2, costs about 550 euro excluding lessons), live in the country 5 years (but only 3 if you are married to a Dutch citizen) and give up your other citizenship as two nationalities are no longer accepted.
Effects of these new rules: the number of people that want to become Dutch has decreased enormously. In 1996 there were 30.000 Turkish people in the Netherlands who wanted to get a Dutch passport and in 2007 there were only 1800 Turkish people with the same wish. And I guess the same goes for people from other countries.
I read about this a couple of weeks ago, and the culture test involves being exposed to porn and homosexuality! Like I said at the time, that might put a few people off
Obviously the man in Trudy´s post has serious mental health issues. Just consider yourself fortunate that you´re not in his shoes. It´s soooo easy to put a label on somebody.
Actually I did not notice that until you wrote this....
Thanks. The shocked feeling I had this afternoon is going away slowly (and will be gone totally after TheH. has hold my hand... ). I just wish something will be done tomorrow to avoid him or other people showing that type of behaviour again. There are more of this type of ´sweeties´ in my working place...
It is very sad that this is a trend in Europe, particulary in countries like ours who have a lot of migrants and immigrants and we have organisations that support this sort of behviour. There is the BNP and their supporters Migration Watch, the Daily Mail and to some extent the Express who (to much to say they encourage ot incite it) in many ways condone this behaviour with in the UK native population. I find it totally repulsive. I am assuming he is a Dutch National??
I feel both shocked and mad. Last Friday one of the employees of my company in the cafeteria made a horrible remark out loud about Jews and gas chambers. I reported that remark because our company policy does not allow any type of aggression, discrimination and racism (the company must have that, over 60% is from foreign descent). Today the man I reported came to me in the cafetaria and told me ´he knew how to get me and he would keep track of me´. It felt quite threatening, that guy standing very close, waving his fingers almost in my face. Happily there were witnesses and I hope that when tomorrow his supervisor is back something will be done.
Trudy that sounds awful, what a dispicable person he is to say that. What is wrong with people, I really don´t understand. I hope you are OK though.
I just read your second post - what a total w******
My Name is (Stella Johnson) How are you and how is your work hope all is moving fine.i seek for honest partner and i meet you it was interesting and attractive then i drop by to know who this was, i will like to know more about you. if you wouldn´t mind you can email me at my mail. here
i will be very glad to read your mail with all pleasure. it will be nice to meet you and also read from you. please do honor my invitation so that we can exchange our pictures and maybe become partner.
Remember the distance does not matter what matters is the love we share with each other.i wait to hear from you soon. kiss regards Miss Stella,
You are one of several hundred by now!!! If everyone answers or adds her email then she will be a busy lady! (btw deleted her email address from the post)
By now, she was in a blind panic......... pacing up and down in the room. Did I spam these two dudu´s? she was muttering to herself over and over, do they really mean it? Oh no, what shall I do...................
Just as she was beginning to become calmer, and was starting to formulate a plan, there was a knock at the door. Who could this be? she thought as she peered through the spy hole................................
OMG it cant be, can it???oh no its ..................
çok teþekkür ederim canýmmm ama doðumgünüm yarýn faceden deðil cepten aliim kutlamalarý lütfen ehue muckkss canýmm
Thank you very much my love but my birthday is tomorrow, let me have my birthday messages into my mobile than into my facebook please.. ehue muckkss sweetheart..
Ooooooh , don´t tell me he has something to hide??
We have a new feature on this site, called "TC Columns" -- they are periodical opinion columns written by selected columnists. You can find them under "Discover Turkey" --> "Columnists". All new columns are announced on the main page. Here´s the link:
Visit them and leave your comments and let us know what you think!
I have added another column, but I am wondering what peoples thoughts were about the subjects covered so far, and is there any subject that you would like to see covered. I am always willing to do some research into most subjects so long as it about Turkey.
2pm? But he did not put what day..... did he mean today? It was then 1:30 pm and she had no idea where she should go. So hungry and keen to check into her hotel, she hailed a taxi and headed off.
On reaching the hotel, she was greated by the receptionist, a handsom young Turk, with dark skin and deep brown eyes. He held her glance for a couple of seconds to long..... he must have sensed her unease, still unsure what to do about the guard at the airport.
She was not so keen to hand out her msn, did not carry Yilgins lists with her and as for vinyards wine, how would she get a bottle???
She made her way to her room, put the key in the door, and slowly opened the door only to find in her room........................................
Edited (3/16/2009) by libralady
[could do with moving Lessluvs after mine :):) hahahaha]
The guard picked up the lacy 36C bra and matching panties and eyeing them, with a wry smile on his face, placed them back in my case, then he picked up the "few things for the weekend" and again, trying not to look at me, with a cheeky smile, he put them in my case. He then picked up the suntan lotion and looked me straight in the eye...... His huge Turkish moustache was a little off putting and I shifted in my seat.
After this torture, my face was flushed and I was in cold sweat wondering how much longer was this going to last, when he handed me a piece of paper with a telephone number on it and said “you are free to go”………………… so I hurriedly picked up the rest of my things and departed….
I spoke to an agency about your ironing problem LL..
These lads are available apparantly.. Just send me your post code and your choice.
God I feel the lurve...... theh you are wonderful (wish I had the heart thing the Aenigma has) I prefer number 1, but he would be markedly improved if he was just a tad hairy But if he knocked on my door, I would over look it this once
Edited (3/15/2009) by libralady
[Uhmmm, had to take another look or three :)]
Goodness, I am feeling the lurve all the way from the IoW to the sunny coast of Norfolk and I wish I had some lurverly cuddly smuggy jelly bean type smilies..............
If we wanted, we would have made love, but did not happen.
Not us, They are our sorrows who breathe.
Even if I leave, it exists a bit every where.
An untimely record in memories,
A hotel door, a few train stations.
That, being together with you always exists.
Our hands meet from far away,
And as if we are eyes to eyes, suddenly, an explosion.
My try (as usual)
Ok, so it is not gramatically correct but it makes sense to me, I can understand what he is saying here... I think he is unsure if he really loves her or not and he is living with that. Peoms seldom make sense to everyone, it is personal, a personal feeling about a moment in time, and it is a personal expression of that moment.
Hello everyone. I just found out my boyfriend is going to need surgery in a few days (we currently live apart, him in turkey me in NYC) so i wanted to send him a card, but in turkish cause he always appreciates it, but my turkish isnt advanced enough. please help asap since i want to ship a package to him tonight. and please ignore our little joke =
heres the message:
Hasan,
Im sorry your not feeling well. I hope this small package will bring a smile to your face, just like you have done for me so many times. I miss you a lot. Get well soon.
Lots of love from your white american girlfriend
I hope you got your message translated OK, I am sure there would be someone who could help you privately if not. If you want something a bit more personal just ask here for someone to send you a pm if they would be willing to help.
I popped in for a coffee and goats cheese and rocket ciabatta, but there is no one to serve me..... so I took the liberty of serving myself, then had a short nap, read the papers, another coffee ............. dum de dum de dum
and may I ask, why was the tank top knitting pattern tucked inside carvanning world magazine?? I was looking for that knitting pattern last time I came
As part of my trip in April, I´m spending 3 nights in Goreme, Cappadocia after visiting Konya. I had a bookmarked site that had details of buses around Turkey but I seem to have lost it. Has anyone ever made this trip by bus and if so can they let me know the details of the bus company etc.?
Also, is it advisable to take a guided tour around Cappadocia or is it possible to go it alone? Anyone know how much the tours are?
If anyone has any suggestions for what to visit I would be glad to read them. Please don´t mention balloons though, I´ll never go up in one of those things
Many thanks
Tell me about it when you get back, as we are doing something similar in August. We are going to Aladaglar hiking and wild camping and then to Cappadocia and perhaps will camp or try a b&b. We intend to go it alone, but I would like to hear what you think when you get back re tours etc.
I do want to go ballooning but looking at the price around £200 per person, I am not sure... But hell if I don´t I will regret it. It is like the paragliding, once you have done it you want to do it again.
Well have a great time and look forward to hearing all about it!!
in Istanbul, allowed him the luxury of having beautiful plants, as well as a small veggie section, where he cultivated organic tomatoes & cucumbers for a healthier lifestyle.
Uhmm I am impressed that our DuDu has such a healthy lifestyle Even if he does smoke the odd joint now and then..........
Strange - - at the thought of Emma Peel....or strange - - at the thought of you dressed as Emma Peel??
Anyway...I hope you raised some money!!
Yes it is quite hilarious that I could even consider dressing as Emma Peel........... so good job I didn´t, enough of them have high blood pressure as it is.
Hehe! Pudsey outfit was too hot, Emma Peel made the men go all ............... ermmm................. strange so I plumped for tatty old jeans, a top and cowboy boots Boring Boring Boring
Hailed as the world´s first recipe collection of its kind, Cooking With Balls includes testicle pizza, battered testicles and and barbecued testicles with giblets.
Ljubomir Erovic, the chef behind the book, said testicles are rich in testosterone and are believed to be a powerful aphrodisiac in China as well as his homeland of Serbia.
HMMMMMM anyone know where i can get the main ingredient???
I once had the misfortune of unwittingly sampling pigs testicles (disguised as quid   when I was in China and I can tell you, a bowl beside the table would have been handy they fall into a similar category at deep fried ducks tongues and chickens feet
To come to work dressed rather stupidly (more stupidly than normal that is) in aid of Children in Need............
I was thinking of donning my black cat suit with high boots and long wig, with belt and gun (toy of course) and come to work as Emma Peel but I have a serious forecast meeting tomorrow and not sure it would be appreciated
Edited (3/12/2009) by libralady
[Du du, du du du du, du du du du, du du ........... Theme tune if your were wondering... :)]
Clearly a beautiful poem from a man? to his wife? whom he must love very much I love the emotion of Turkish poetry and would love to hear this read in Turkish in the vein it was written. I am sure the hairs on the back of my neck would be standing to attention
I bet, it is part of new Dutch government schema which aims to curb declaining population and to increase the birth rate by encouraging people with visual stimulation..what was the movie? Emmanuelle?
This made me laugh, a couple of days ago I was reading how the Netherlands are dealing with migration and part of the citizenship course (if you can call it that!) is to watch or read about the Dutch open attitude towards sex and homosexuality!! Sort of "you have to integrate into our way of life - like it, lump it or go home
Bod is off work sick and having to live at his ex´s as he has had a fire at home making his own house uninhabitable. Living here is OK except I can´t drive and there is nothing anywhere near here - the nearest shop is a 40 min walk away
Oh Bod, that is awful.... Here is a bunch flowers and hope everything is soon OK.
Sadly I can´t join you today to discuss knitting patterns and crochet techniques arranging the sweet smelling roses, as I have to battle my way through the rain and crowded undergrounds where I can only dream of what I am missing
Edited (3/10/2009) by libralady
[decided flower arranging is preferable :)]
The migration of retirees to Spain is backfiring on occasions, with the massive fall in house prices due to the recession, therefore people wishing to repatriate to the UK are in effect stuck with worthless properties. Also illness in older age is a problem because there is no national health system like the one left behind in the UK. Also the laws on owning houses in Spain are much more complicated and they can be bulldosed by authorities if there are plans for new roads etc.
Still wrong. Suriname is the Dutch word (yes I know) and in that country most people speak Dutch up till now (Yes I know). If you use the local lingo for international names, can I call the UK here than also ´Verenigd Koninkrijk´ (Call it what you like)?
Hi im just new to this site and im not sure yet where i am posting my posts ..can anybody tell me if somebody is turkish and there going to europe for a holiday .will they just need travel insurance for this.i asked about this and they said yes just travel insurance ,,but my turkish friend said she will need life insurance with this because she has none .and i told her she does not need and she said she go to a place and they tell her she will need life with this to,but life insurane is nothing got to do with wether you are travelling or not...can somebody please help me on this one.thank you
Welcome to the site!
She will certainly need a visa to travel before she needs any insurance. If she has not got that, then there is quite a procedure to do this. Before trying to obtain a visa, she need to make sure she know what the visa requirements are, before she applies. so contact the relevant embassy first.
If she is travelling to morethan one European country she will need to see what the visa requirements is for each country.
Not sure about life insurance, but it is certainly sensible to have travel insurance.
Feel free to ask any more questions. Native Turks might be able to give a clear indication of exactly what is required.
(What a wonderful man Stephen Fry is... if he were not gay I would marry him! )
Actually my claim to fame is, he has a house about 7 miles from me, he went to school in my town, my friends daughter was an extra in Kingdom (she being the one with the huge bare a*** on Holkam Beach) and I saw him Tesco´s once!!
Can´t speak for others, maybe that´s true. But, Yilgun, weren´t you the one that thought my country is the same as Holland? Does that mean you are not interested in World History as well (my country is famous for it´s rich history in trading in the 17/18th century, also notorious for slavery in Africa/Surinam - no ´e´ Libra!! - and more). What do you know about France, Sweden, Finland, The Civil War in the States and much more? Isn´t it a little short-sighted to call people ´not interested in World History´ just because they don´t know YOUR country well? Maybe these people do know a lot about Australia, Peru, South-East-Asia etc.
I will argue for the "e" as it has an "e" in my atlas and in nearly every map you can find on the internet
I know I have not been a very good supporter of the translation lounge (for which I apologise ), really because I don´t really need any translations (I make sure any dudu I stalk speaks English   but I would dearly love to be accepted for reasons I would like to keep to myself
I once over heard a conversation between three women, one of which said she was going on holiday and the others said "don´t they sell women for camels"? and also I have said to friends about going hiking in the mountains and they thought we would be kidnapped. Yes I have also heard people say they think Turkey is full of Arabs!!!
But those people are not really interested in anything much apart from the next new car ..............
I am in a very good mood so far (after sleeping a full 8 hours, which was not the case for a few weeks)
Strange, me too! Last night slept nearly 10 hours........... and today the sun is shining and I will go running, no charity dancing at the end of my street
While we are on the subject of various animal pets, can I tell you about the pig I had as a pet??? My dad was a farmer and used to keep pigs, and send them for slaughter One of the pigs was ill and they would not take it, so we had to keep it. I used to look after it, and I called it Piggy (yes very novel!). It would follow me around and come when I called his name. I kept that pig for about a year until it had to go...............
Is this the luckiest man alive? Turkish man walking beside a lorry that gets hit by an on coming train, he was the wrong side of the lorry to see the train coming. He is knocked under the lorry and hit by the train and has escaped with a few cuts and bruises................. and life is beautiful!!
Ermmm... I quite like Terry Wogan he makes me laugh...and I love Chris Evans
Is that ok with you?
Actually so do I! and much in preference to the solvenly overweight slob call Chris Moyles.......... and may he be climbing Kilimanjaro........ didums!!!
To recognise when you have made a mistake is one thing, but to learn from that mistake and never to make the same one again, is another thing ................
Oh, believe me. I have tried to stun the ladies with my killer looks many times. I have given them the sharp critical look; the serious & intellectual look; the horny-thick-bamboo-u-want-sum-baybee look; the elimi-sallasam-ellisi look; and even the I-offer-free-foot-rubs look.
None worked, except for the hypnotizing-cobra-look... I have been forced into this. Please understand me.
Yep, I can understand that and if you want to discuss further I can give you my msn, mobile and any other form of communication you need............. and a new pair of transparent speedos will be in the post
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[Oooops spelling again....]
The report prepared by Dilek Kurban of the Turkish Economic and Social Studies Foundation (TESEV) and Ozan Erözden and Haldun Gülalp of Yildiz Technical University.
So completely independent then? Be good to see the original report and the not just newspaper version.. reports can be interpreted how you like, I read plenty of them at work (and the subsequent newspaper reports) to do with migrant workers and it is reported "according to the political persuasion of the paper"
Happy birthday Lessluv!!! How´s the juice in take going??
Must remember to drop birthday hints well in time, so that I too can gets lots of attention, but prefer my men a little more errrr "rugged" Just so you all know in plenty of time..............
Update: the man was in class this afternoon and made some nasty racist remarks about African and Surinam people. I told him to stop but he continued. Then I really got angry and indeed said ´keep your mouth shut´. Next week his boss, he and I are having a ´nice´ conversation about his behaviour.....
I take it he thinks Suriname is in Africa? (My turn to correct spelling haha!)
He is an Islamic prominant advocate of creationism who believes that terrorism is the result of Darwinism. He launched a campaign against Darwinism and wrote a book called Evolution Deceit.
Right now on British TV, and a programme about Darwin and the dangers of his evolution theory. It was opened in Istanbul with and interview with Adnan Oktar.
And of course an infamous Darwinist who took survival of the fittest to extreme lengths was Hitler.
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[Realised I made a mistake :)]
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[Made another mistake pointed out by teacher - thanks :):)]
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Ok... Second try at duduism. I guess the first attempt didn´t work too well, as I see no scooter in the horizon, nor the cute helmet.
We are going to employ dialectic logic & luring techniques to bait the foreign victim into my hairy chest...
For this though, I will have to don my special dudu outfit of white, semi-transparent, tight speedo to show the goodie goodies. I will initiate eye contact with the target. Once noticed, I will pretend to reposition the speedo & fix the sexy wedgie. While she is taken back by the provocative sight, I will suddenly proceed to do my special Cüneyt Arkýn dive (swimmers´ head-first dive, but somewhat different - somewhat unique to Turks... only we can dive that way). Once the white wicked-weasel speedo is wet and is no longer semi-transparent, but outright x-ray vision, I will pull myself out of the pool in one swift move that will enhance all my muscles. I will continue with the eye contact cobra style hypnotizing the prey stare by stare.
I will make sure I will pass by her on the way to my towel. By now, she will be in the full-monty mood unable to look anywhere else, but at the cobra. That is when I will initiate the cobra dance. I will ask if I could use her sun tan lotion to lube myself against the dangers of being exposed in the sun. She will understand, and will hand over the lube. I will start with the ankles moving slowly toward the thighs. I will compliment her on her fine choice of lotion, while doing confusing circular motions around the chest area. Particular attention will be given to the extra sensitive nipples.
By accident, I will squirt some of the lotion on the target. In fake panic, I will apologize and offer to rub it around. She will be delighted by my manners. Once the ankles, legs, chest, belly, thighs, forehead and the cheek bones are sufficiently lubed, she will be asked to lie on her belly. This will be moment for the cobra to strike. One hand on her back, the other dudu hand will swiftly get a hold of the cell & the room keys in her purse. I will stick them into my white speedo so that she won´t notice the scam. Being done with the lubing, I will lean over to her ear and whisper how much I look forward to seeing her at the resort night club tonight. I will slide away...
By the time she gets back to her room, I will have looted everythingwith a rose in my teeth.
There will be a red rose on the bed and a message scribbled on the mirror in red lip stick.
You have just been DUDUed...
This has made my day! But watch out for the women wearing shades........
My cell phone bill is off the sky. I was hoping that you could paypal it in exchange for some tender love and care. I promise I won`t dissappoint. That way, I could call you from my cell and tell you what a sweetie you are. We could have a real romance over the cellular network, while you shower me gifts. I want gold watches, silk shirts, pointy-nosed-alligator-leather-shoes, many sex toys, skin moisturizer for my body, permanent residence in the Benelux, and my very own scooter with a cute helmet. If you can take care of these little things, I will take you to heaven.
If this is your first attempt I would love to see the polished version!!!
Uhmmm pointy-nosed-aligator-leather-shoes..................... obviously goes with skin tight designer jeans (flapping warm face with hand now.............. )
I´m deepy moved by all this love but I really have enough kids already! (however, thanks very much for the flowers - femme just sends me soup recipes and there´s only so much foot soup a person can eat/drink/chew)
quoting your post I get the flowers and all the instructions on how to look after them too! Very thoughtful.
Just noticed that today only you can get a free copy of Linux Format Magazine to download. The offer ends at 23:59 GMT so if you´re interested get in quick!!!
This was left in my column comments by fatma44. Would someone kindly translated it please?
please coul you tell me what these words are. ive looked up in the dictionary but cant find any meaning to them? GABASI SIYRIGIN SAHINI COK TEMIZ NERDEN BULMUS BILMEN
Just noticed that today only you can get a free copy of Linux Format Magazine to download. The offer ends at 23:59 GMT so if you´re interested get in quick!!!
Why?!!! I thought all aiports had this ban in place for a couple of years now... I thought it was normal practise at all airports
Why are they so late to react?
Me too! I have flown in and out of Turkey for the past couple of years and it has always been in place.......... perhaps it is to do with the airline as much as the airport?
Any other experiences from others visiting Turkey??
Or did we just take it for granted that this was the case??
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[taking to much for granted :)]
If a lady has to work outside of her home, professionally....Let her do so, by all means.
The lady writing above crap however, obviously has no idea of the pleasure, dignity and responsibility of being a real woman. What she really wants, but can not say openly, is sexual freedom. That is what she thinks being a woman is all about.
Well Alpha, sorry to dissapoint you but I agree with her on that score (if that is truly what she is saying and you are not just having a dig ather), why should women not have sexual freedom? We can and do enjoy the act as much as men...........
Do I watch telly and drink wine, or do I do the ironing........... ahhh perhaps I could get the ironing into the Fems loopylaundramar amadereyarma and hopfully it wil ge done, so is ...................TV, wine
Somehow I have this inane ability to attack attract "strange" people who want to have a conversation with me.
Standing on the cold platform this morning waiting for the train to London, this woman came up to me and started asking me questions................. was I a teacher, did I work in Whitehall..................... bla bla bla thank goodness the train arrived and she sat in another carriage
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[Ooooops there is something wrong with my keyboard............ keeps missing letters and putting in the wrong ones........ :)]
the rubbish system is rubbish. brits should learn much from german, austrian and swiss recycling.
Yes, we love bureaucracy which varies from council to counci!!! And that is one thing we can agree on dear Femme, the recycling systems in Germany, Austria, Switzerland .......... even Italy is better than ours..............
Puzzled how strange some people can be.............. who judge others by what they think they know, without bothering to ask the person.............. I think you are far better off without such judgemental people in your life
But some people is considered bribe as tip unfortunately.Because bribe is a crime, and tip is legal and so they put pribe into same category.
Extortion is a illegal job, concerned with the detection of crime, detectiveand judicial, theft, burglary, robbery, larceny.
Bribe is a crime.
Tip is a special mistake or generosityaccording to traditional custom.
Extortion is the act of using violence to get what you want, not to do with the detection of crimes - it is a crime and often people are seriously hurt in such instances. I know of cases of extortion in China when factory owners are threatened by officials or others that if they do not pay a fee their factories will be burnt down.
Bribery is often associated with a criminal and officials and avoiding being arrested for something they have done wrong.
A tip is something you give a waiter for doing a good job!!! It is not a special "mistake" but it is an act of generosity and yes it can be cultural. Some cultures do not tip at all.
Tax evasion is something we would all like to do!!!
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[Memory not so good, had to check the third thing............]
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[Thank goodness of modifying.........]
I have moved this thread to off topic as it was not strictly to do with Turkish singers etc. I would like to add it into the poems - lyrics thread in this section but I have not been able to.
If I weren´t convinced there´s nothing out there, I´d have a real problem finding a religion I could respect and follow. Out of the Big Three - Islam and Christianity promote values I do not agree with, Judaism as well plus you have to be born into it, right? Eastern religions have silly-looking gods and even weirder rituals. Paganism is fun but in my climate dancing around naked can result in pneumonia. Even Pastafarianism is a danger to my weight. Thank God I´m an atheist
Me too, how can you take any of it seriously when they are either hypocrites or incite wars and hatred................ and ther is nothing wrong with "pole" dancing is there??
It is a matter of fairness and accuracy to cite the author of a poem...
In spite of those who are eager to look up themselves
Yes also agree in fairness to the poet, the author should be cited, and I agree, it is nice know if someone has written it themselves, as Cybernetics does.
Information (no translation!): I have a Turkish man of about 55 year in one of my classes. He speaks Dutch badly - therefor he is at school - and he is so very much stubborn! He sometimes refuses to correct his mistakes because he keeps telling me it is correct and he thinks he knows it all. Most I can handle that, but sometimes I get so fed up with this behaviour. Of course I can tell him to be silent, to stop (or just to shut up ) but I like to have some ´witty´ remarks in Turkish to ´let him know his place´. I don´t want to be rude or insulting. Anyone ideas?
And Trudy, what made you think you would get a serious answer
I am sure Ryaniar will soon charge you to sit in your seat (after you have bought your ticket) or speak to the air hostess, even climb the stairs to get into the plane. They are doing away with check in desks, everyone will have to check in online........... so more redundancies and longer/slower queues at the passport control................ Banning luggage must be on the agenda soon...................
could you tell us ´how someone gets hold of your msn´?
How come they never get hold on my msn?
How come I still dont have Melek´s msn?
How come I never get holds of DD´s msn?
They all are a huge mysteries to me..
But theh!!! It is scary........ it is not on my contact list, it is a HUGE mystery to me.................I cant delete it as I cant find it!!! If you help me, I will get you Meleks MSN or DD or both (as moderator I can´t allow favourites............. )
Aenigma and some members of CGG are looking for a male stripper for that ´illegal lounge thread´..
That is low, coarse, vulgar, crude and gross..!!!
I have (had) the perfect candidate for that earlier........... someone got hold of my msn and started to try and chat with me, first I had a request for a video call, then SEX? quickly followed by WEBSEX?
Will he do?????? He sounded keen..........
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[Not as keen as me to get rid of him :(:( ]
Dudu-ism is spreading fast... now I get requests at couchsurfing as well..... A 23-year old (young!!) guy from Antalya ´wants to meet me because he finds my profile so nice´..... Anyone with a ´nice´ but witty comment I can send? Helllllppppppp!!!
"Would you date your mother" seems to work for me
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[Not that I couch surf, but works on here :):)]
100ft Birthday Greeting Carved in Sand . Jeff Brook Smith has surprised his partner of seven years with a giant birthday greeting that he carved on the beach with a rake . .. spent four hours creating the greeting near the couple´s seaside home in Scarborough, North Yorkshire ...
Awwww, bless, he must have it bad!!! Good job it was decent weather...........
Not deleting off topics posts was THE CASE ANYWAY...
It was in the forum rules..
If some mods had acted according to the rules, there would not be complaints..
Apart from that, as a mod, if you are deleting a member´s posts beacuse ´it is off topic´ , you have to be consistent with yourself and then delete the others if they are off topic..
Anyway..
Since this is NOT an anouncement of a new rule, we should continue without moaning or cheering up I think..
But some of it happened in the heat of the moment.................. like lots of things do Anyway, we have had our wrists duly slapped and have learnt our lesson
Thousands of men are milking the system to support several wives
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An interesting article I thought which illustrates well the point we Brits so often try to make here about how incredibly accommodating the UK legal system can be to immigrants.
I am not a big fan of Daily Mail reporting as they are generally very biased, but I did find this interesting reading as someone who has to deal with migrant worker issues. But how we as a country tolerate bygamy and polygamy no matter what nation or religion they are from is beyond me. And now thanks to the Daily Mail it has been well publicised and we can now expect the Mormons wanting the same because it is their religion / rule.
Haha! I double posted and this one posted before I was ready and dim wit I am deleted the wrong post, now deleted the right one and reinstated the other one...........
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[confused? I am............. ]
A mobie phone... why do Turkish men ask foreign women only just mobile or money. why are we so uncreative
Hahaha! Uncreative, except the unsuspecting female does not realise he will use the money and the mobile phone to get more money and more mobile phones (you know he has a business ) , therefore creating himself a small fortune in times of serious recession......... if he gets the occasional pink phone he can always "give" that to one of his conquests.
This is absolutely true. A turkish women would start talking about death and other life when she is 60 but a western woman starts thinking to change husband when she gets 60
I am finding this habit of emboldening parts of quotes in posts quite irritating, it dose my eyes is ........ perhaps because of the mix up with mine and Tamis washing ealier today
Honey Bunny, I did my driver´s licence in Poland and as you know we don´t have that system of driving on our own BEFORE we pass driving tests In Poland you have 30hrs of driving with an instructor then you take the test. If you pass you get a full licence, if you fail you need to buy some more driving hours so NO I have never had an L on my car. I got my driving licence when I was 17 and haven´t driven since a year later (so that´s roughly 12 years ago). There´s no way I would start driving now especially that the steering wheel is on the wrong side
Wow thank god for that! I always try and avoid cars with the PL number plate or LT number plate or CZ, etc etc
Now I am relieved to hear you have to have 30 hours driving lessons and pass a test, that is better than the UK!
A ragtag group of Indian orphans triumphed at the Academy Awards on Sunday as "Slumdog Millionaire" took top honors with an against-all-odds love story that resonated with recession-
and the SÃYAD (Sinema Yazarlarý Derneði - Turkish Film Critics Association ) awards go toooo:
BEST MOVIE: Sonbahar (Producer: F. Serkan ACAR)
BEST DIRECTOR: Nuri Bilge CEYLAN (Üç Maymun)
CAHÃDE SONKU BEST LEADING(WOMAN) PERFORMANCE: Hatice ASLAN (Üç Maymun)
BEST LEADING(MAN) PERFORMANCE: Onur SAYLAK (Sonbahar)
BEST SUPPORTING(WOMAN) PERFORMANCE: Tülin ÖZEN (Vicdan)
BEST SUPPORTING(MAN) PERFORMANCE: Ahmet Rýfat ÞUNGAR (Üç Maymun)
MAHMUT TALÃ ÖNGÖREN BEST SCREENPLAY: Özcan ALPER (Sonbahar)
DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY AWARD : Feza ÇALDIRAN (Sonbahar)
BEST MUSIC: Demir DEMÃRKAN (Devrim Arabalarý)
ACHIEVEMENT IN FILM EDITING: Ayhan ERGÜRSEL, Bora GÖKÞÃNGÖL, Nuri Bilge CEYLAN (Üç Maymun)
ACHIEVEMENT IN ART DIRECTORY: Natali YERES (Rýza)
HOPEFUL ARTIST: Ãnan TEMELKURAN
BEST DOCUMENTARY FILM: Devrimci Gençlik Köprüsü (Yönetmen: Bahriye KABADAYI)
BEST SHORT FILM: Unus Mundus (Yönetmen: Senem TÜZEN)
BEST FOREIGN MOVIE: Kan Dökülecek (There Will Be Blood)
SÃYAD HONOUR AWARD: Þener ÞEN
SÃYAD TUNCAN OKAN EFFORT AWARD: Nijat ÖZÖN
SÃYAD - SPECIAL AWARD: Klaus EDER
And whats more, those children were from the slums and have been plucked from obscurity and have had a trip of a life time to go to the Oscars to. So it gets my vote on all counts!
can u tell me, is it possible to be a citizen of UK, if you cant speak english?
if you dont have any common point with most of a country, or if u dont have any feeling about the culture, you cant be a citizen of this country, u can be just a guest there.
Yes it is, and all you need is an interpreter to help you answer the questions, if you take the citizenship test.
I think this is rather a simplistic view if you look back at our history and see how immigration has changed the face of the UK. Try telling someone who emigrated to the UK in 1960´s who does not speak English they are a guest here.
There are 10´s of thousand of people in the UK who dont´ speak English, even 2nd generation have problems. they don´t absorb themselve in our culture they retain their own, they do not like our laws, but wish for their own......... and we tolerate this, and even embrace it.
Sorry this is off topic.
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Tami I would appreciate it if you just amended you post slightly to take out the references to recent events. This is supposed to be a little bit lighthearted so take it like that! If you have sweet smelling socks just say so don´t spoil Fems fun.
UMMMM.....they could have just come to TC on a regular basis to figure this out!
Are we all shocked now?
So now I am expecting some member to come and post some survey about the evils of Western countries now....but oh well! This is definately interesting.
first your friend need to find more clever friends why to tell consulate you ll take care of baby, huh...
secondly,as i know moldovan babysitters, just jump on the plane and buy tourist visa at the border. than stay in country a few year, pay the penalty of their staying longer than visa, and goes to their country.
i dont know, if you can certainly can get visa at the border or not...
Assuming it is a tourist visa to the UK and some (if not all), European countries no you cannot, they will need a visa.
Turks reveal xenophobic, conservative attitudes in poll
Turks are xenophobic, socially conservative people who rarely read books, relegate women to second-class status and harbour ambivalent views about democracy, contentious new research has revealed.
The unflattering picture has emerged from a survey by one of Turkey´s most respected polling organisations, Konda, which interviewed 6,482 people.
Some 73% opposed allowing foreigners to own Turkish land or property, while nine out of 10 said they had never taken a holiday abroad. Just under 70% said they never read books, and 72% said they never or rarely bought new hi-tech products as soon they appeared on the market. Many also expressed fears that Turkey´s neighbours planned to carve up the country.
Nearly 70% said wives needed their husband´s permission to work while 57% believed that a female should never leave home wearing a sleeveless top. More than half - 53% - favoured allowing women judges, prosecutors, teachers and other public servants to wear the Islamic headscarf on duty, something Turkey´s secular constitution forbids.
While 88% agreed that Turkey should be governed by democracy "under each and every condition", this was undermined by the significant proportion - 48% - who said the military should intervene "when necessary". The powerful armed forces have toppled four elected governments in coups in the past 50 years.
The survey, entitled Who Are We?, was conducted on behalf of Hurriyet, one of Turkey´s biggest selling newspapers, renowned for its secularist outlook.
Tarhan Erdem, senior analyst with Konda, said the research was aimed at understanding ongoing social transformation and seeing whether Turkey was the country many of its people thought they knew. The high support for military intervention showed Turks had reservations about democracy, he said, while attitudes towards women exposed a lack of gender equality. "The data shows that women aren´t free in their private lives," Erdem said.
Ahmet Insel, a columnist with Radikal newspaper, said opposition to foreign travel and property ownership stemmed from a preoccupation with the 1919-1923 war of independence that established modern Turkey.
"We think the war of independence is still under way, so it´s no surprise we are xenophobic. We´re still fighting foreigners," he said.
This is horrendous reading! 70% have never read a book??? Wow did they not go to school? And the attittudes, I must say I am quite shocked by this report.
The URL does not work, I wanted to find out who they targeted and how many particpated.
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[Embarassingly noticed the numbers at the beginning of the article]
It can still be one, if Thehandsom wrote this post himself of course.
How can you suggest otherwise
But those two dogs in that cage, I just want to go get them, they look so sad poor things...... How to tug at ones heart strings show photos of disconsolate dogs
Nooooo! Using PM´s means that WE all get that spam. What have you said?
Not exactly what I meant..... fair enough post the "advert" but not the detail....... he is the one who will receive the spams or what ever from the starry eyed girls......
Please do not put your personal emails/facebook details in this open forum. If you wish for someone to have your msn please do it via PM´s. I advise that you amend your post.
When considering ethnicity, it is worth bearing in the mind definition, so considering this definition, when trying to decide if a particular group of people can be declared an ethinic group.
ethnicity (n) a term which represents social groups with a shared history, sense of identity, geography and cultural roots which may occur despite racial difference
Let´s consider Puerto Ricans as an example of an ethnicity. Many Puerto Ricans represent various blends of White, Red and/or Black races and yet they refer to themselves collectively as Boricuas
. Despite color difference, Puerto Ricans share an ethnicity. Ethnicity shapes a group´s culture - the food, language, music, and customs.
Has Turkey ratified the UN Convention for the Rights of the Child? I can´t find that they have, but I might be looking in the wrong place - be interested to know after reading the article above.
libra, i and you know that it is not so as you stated above. i have been too long on this site to read your posts, therefore i came to such conclusion, dear. to me you can even be a dudu worshipper, and i know you well from your own posts. to me you are a simple hypocrite.
Yes my dear, I am a dudu worshipper of the highest order........... something you are so obviously jealous of........ but we have more in common than you would like to admit........... that is why you are so angry with me
has it touched you now when it was a polish archeologist that was beheaded? he is one of those now hundreds who were hunted down by those goat-bearded creatures (that never get criticised for their deeds by our muslim members on tc).
our muslim members never say how awful, how terrible that was to behead someone, to slaughter someone like a sheep, slit his throat, cut of his head and chant a praise to allah.
but of course, instead they would criticise you for daring to call islam for what it is in real (the 7th century mindest of caravan robbing gentlemen association? ). they of course go on to iraq and all that blah blah as if that poor polish guy was to blame for the wars.
do they care for those who were beheaded? do they shout out or write a post of anger?
no, they never get angry with talibs, they dont bother themselves when a school is burnt down together with girls who didnt have proper coverings. or girls in afghanistan are burnt by acid for going to school. or when raped women are stoned to death thanks to sharia (in which our highly educated canli wants to live). or when little school girls in indonesia are beheaded for being christians.
did our muslim members show their concern or sorrow when hundreds of thousands were mass-murdered in darfur? did they cry out when hundreds of thousands of kurds were gazzed down by saddam?
did they share sorrow with those who died in tsunami and rushed with help?
do they today express their anxiety for any victim outside of muslim world?
to them nothing is dear, no life has a value. and you still dont understand it. they will make you shut up. they will put you into the corner and accuse you for racism and you quickly will forget about the tragedy together with the world that is concentrated now on political correctness.
you even will not notice that you started from accusing the talibs and ended up defending yourself from the stake they prepared for you for not being careful when you speak your mind.
for how long now are you going to run ?
PS. ah, i have modified it
if it was about christianity or any other religion, you wouldnt even raise your finger, but since it is about untouchable islam it can be a pain in bottoms.
As an aethiest I could not give a toss which religion it was about........... that is not why it was deleted.
a mod that i call heartless (and brainless as well) has again removed my latest posts.
Well actually you are wrong there - the post I removed was 2 weeks or so ago, and I did pm you to ask if you could amend it, as you did not respond I deleted it. This was posted in our admin forum and no one suggested that it should not have been deleted.
I have not even read any of your latest posts, let alone deleted them.
The PM I sent you, 10th Feb, was that your last post????
A bit while ago, Melih Gökçek, the mayor of Ankara, drank a glass of water from the tap of Ankara in front of the cameras to make people believe that the tap water in Ankara was healthy and clean.
Though a simple citizen from Ankara, made a video in which he carried out a simple experiment to prove it wrong. He says that he will sue him.
First he measures the metal value in two glasses of water, the left one is good water, on the right one is the tap water from Ankara. The potable water should have values less than 0,5. The good water shows a value of 0,11, whereas the Ankara tap water shows around 750!
So, there´re huge quantities of metal in the Ankara tap water which is extremely dangerous.
Even worse, in the second part of the video, he then dips an electrolysis device into two waters to precipitate the metal present in the water.
Look at the end of the video, what happens to the water Melih Gökçek assures everyone that is drinkable!!! I hope no one drank it.
Can´t see the clip at work, but sounds like Jaws!!! It is safe to swim in the sea, its safe to swim in the sea ........... along comes mister sharks and eats someone
The edge of a table - well it caught the bridge of my nose actually but I reckon on a black eye or 2 by tomorrow morning. . Went bowling, tripped up a step on my way onto the lanes and - smack! Only good point was the concerned attention of 2 charming young Turkish employees who rushed to my rescue with tissues to mop up the blood and ice for my nose - which is now twice its normal size!! Çok güzel deðilim!
I think the street dog forum is spilling over into this one....can we assume from both forums that dogs have it better in India?
Well if people (I assume men!) are willing to marry "dogs" then obviously they have it made................. makes you think twice when you over hear a man in conversation saying that his wife is a dog
You can offer assistance to the stray cats and dogs wandering on the streets by getting in touch with the animal shelters in various districts of the town. After the necessary shots, rehabilitation and neutering operations, they try to find families to look after those animals.
Those wishing to keep a cat or a dog can find purebred, half-bred or stray dogs and cats at these shelters.
If you don´t wish to keep them at home you can take responsibility for one as a "protective family". This means commiting to the adopted animals´ expenses in the shelter and visiting them from time to time and to play.
Besides the shelters there are several groups working for the benefit of stray animals in Istanbul and following are some of them. You can be sure they will be grateful for any kind of assistance.
Çevre ve Sokak Hayvanlarý Derneði (Association for Stray Animals) Their goal is to collect stray cats and dogs, neuter them, complete the necessary shots-especially rabies- and find new homes for them. Moreover, milk, macaroni, bread, pet food, vitamins and antibiotics are always welcome. They also accept monetary assistance and can give a receipt.
Evsiz Hayvanlarý ve Doðayý Koruma Derneði (Association for Stray Animals and Protecting the Nature) This shelter was founded in Sarýyer by the Municipality of Metropolitan Istanbul and then handed over to animal lovers. They neuter and complete the necessary shots and try to find new homes for them. The "protective family" concept is also available and all kinds of assistance are welcome.
SHDK - Sahipsiz Hayvanlar Koruma Derneði (Society for the protection of Stray Animals ) This multi-purpose facility is located at Kemerburgaz Göktürk Köyü. They neuter and complete the shots of the stray animals and, after fasten ear-tags, the animals are sent back to streets. These animals are checked periodically. The facility also find homes for them. Göktürk Köyü, Kemerburgaz Tel: (212) 322 18 19
Yedikule Hayvan Barýnaðý (Yedikule Animal Shelter) There are 1700 dogs here, and you can visit the shelter everyday from 10:30 to 15:30
Thanks for posting this! Sounds similar to what happens in France, where people (volunteers) can visit the shelters and offer to take the dogs for a walk.
I have seen the dogs with ear tags in Oludeniz, and they were mostly looked after by the resort workers.
The fancy footwork of grizzlie bears has been revealed by some brilliant filming. The bear was filmed flicking the fish out of the water with their hind feet and catching them in their mouths. Apparently bears don´t mind water, but they don´t like getting their ears wet .............. now does that sound familiar??
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Shaken............... and relieved............. after a nearly nasty encounter with a 40 tonner on the wrong side of the road coming round a blind bend
The Turkish poetry section is for poems written by Turkish Poets, which have been translated into English by some of our TC members. Not the other way round.
I have moved this to translation selection, so some kind hearted TC member might be able to translated into Turish for you.
Also I don´t often hear people justifying murders, rapes, etc. with religion.
You are absolutely right there.................. the supposed Heathrow Bombers today, they did not once mention what religion they were, the Ipswich murderer, they did not mention what religion he was, the man and woman who killed their child, they did not mention their religion, the man who killed his family in USA lately, did not mention his religion, etc etc I could go on.............. the only place religion is mentioned as a cause or justification is here...................
Is there any nationality you have missed out in your mission to ensure we all realise that Turkey is a supreme nation for which you are going to receive the highest honour of Turkishnesssssssssssssssssss - a putty medal
ahahaaa yea I got that number from the same source you got the number of 1.5 million.
suppose it`s less than 1 million. what does that change?
I don´t have a source that say 1.5 mil and perhaps you should just refresh yourself as to what genocide actually means.
BTW I was not in favour of our soldiers going into Iraq to fight a fruitless "war" but I dispute you in saying our soldiers killed 1 million people as an act of genocide.
Taleban´s laws are not sharia... they just use religion to oppress the population. I hope those savage crooks get what they deserve one day. This is a serious step back.
Yes you are right, but I would not go as far to say they use religion to oppress people, they use their own rules to oppress............ they are the "Taliban Law" going beyond any reason and this is a disaster for Pakistan and Pakistani women and children in particular. I really do feel sad about this having read at length how cruel and viscious the Taliban are.
My reply to Tamidakika is that I recognise that this is a problem. Does Turkey recognise it as one ? My solution would be to institute a program of neutering street animals, and educating people who allow animals to roam free. I also believe that visitors should raise the issue with politicians both local and national in Turkey. Leaving kittens and young dogs to starve in the streets is not good business for any tourist area.
I completely agree. Sitting eating lunch with stray cats at your feet, about to fight is not good for business. We don´t have that many strays wandering around in England, for a start there are dog wardens who collect up any dog that looks even remotely stray. We have our pets chipped with identification tags and there are organisations in Britian that look after unwanted animals.
I know there are people in Turkey who will look after animals, but they are very much left to fend for themslves, and end up being a nuisance - it is about time the government recognised it.
Yes we all watched this with horror as it was played on our news (and thanks for hte blow by blow account) but it is old news, which Britian condemmed 3 years ago, those soldiers are now in prison. And of course nothing like this would happen with Turkish army would it??
Fatih Genel, the governor of Balýkesir´s Havran district, is reaching out to the women of the small village of Çakmak, located in a mountainous region 25 kilometers from Havran, by making their housework quicker and helping them use the resulting free time to learn to read and write.
After visiting the village, which only has 100 homes, Genel said he was very saddened by the sight of the women washing their clothes by hand in the village fountain. Noting that the women wash their clothes at the village fountain whenever there is water, because of water problems in the village, Genel said: "Washing clothes is a daylong affair for these women. We made an agreement with the village women of Çakmak. I am going to set up a laundry room for them and they are going to learn to read and write."
Genel said the project is one step toward resolving some of the problems faced by Çakmak, one of the region´s socially and economically underdeveloped areas.
Genel explained that they will provide free detergent and a place for ironing. "The women will be able to wash their clothes and then iron them. Not only will we be freeing women from a heavy burden, but also giving them the opportunity to wash their clothes in a more hygienic environment." The laundry room will be part of a new building constructed over a 100-square-meter plot of land, of which 20 square meters will be used as a laundry room, while the rest will be devoted to social facilities. The building is expected to be opened in a few months.
I think this discussion is over (as far as I am concerned). Trying to get you to understand my point is too much of a Sisyphean task.
The point of discussing religion is beyond me, no-one agrees, if you don´t agree you get called names, no wonder I have not time for it............... peace be with you all
A convoy of more than 100 vehicles loaded with aid bound for the Gaza Strip left London on Saturday.The convoy, including 12 ambulances and a fire engine, is bearing more than one million pounds (1.4 million dollars, 1.1 million euros) worth of aid.
The vehicles will travel 5,000 miles (8,000 kilometres) through France, Spain and North Africa, crossing from Egypt into Gaza at Rafah in early March.
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George Galloway.....We will lead the biggest convoy of British vehicles across North Africa since Montgomery."
I am sorry but George Galloway is nothing more than a complete pratt! Who has been seen dancing around in tights on UK TV in celebrity Big Brother, and he lost all the credibility he had ever had and that was not much!!!!
They should do this in the UK for all women under 20....I notice most are illiterate Perhaps it may be better to do the lessons in a spray tanning salon rather than a laundry though
Why stop at 20? There are plenty of women who would do well from having lessons in laundry techniques rather than spray tanning and nail extensions
Hmmmmm ....I´ve been looking at the main page for ooooh all of five minutes, and I can´t for the life of me work out, what is soooo astounding on there (although it looks great btw) that has kept babyglam fixated on the page for ....ooooh.... at least 2 weeks now...
Here is my theory:
Just look for someone else who is "looking at the main page" and my guess is they are chatting in msn together
This new editing notifications on posts is the WORST thing for me! I write my posts very quickly and then usually go back and correct any errors....now I will actually have to spend more than 2 seconds on each post and check it first!
Unfortunately I´m not bi-lingual. I cannot speak Turkish more than just a few words/sentences and I can speak English at reasonable level (and German at little less) but I am searching for words too many times. Like Melek said, the most difficult things to say for me are the words that express feelings. Even words less important than ´I love you´ do not have the same meaning in English as they have in my own: friend for instance, it is used to easily/soon in English while in Dutch it is an exclusive word for much more than someone you know (a little) or who you´ve met recently. And oh yes, swearing in Dutch is/feels much stronger than in an other language, happily for me not many people outside the Netherlands understand Dutch so when abroad I can do that without people staring at me real shocked.
I can listen with admiration to people who are really bi-lingual and who can switch easily between two or three languages. Some of my colleagues can, I wish I was able do that. On the other hand I have to smile often when I hear it. Apparently some Dutch words have no good translation and when I hear Arab, Turkish, or any other language mixed with these typical Dutch words, it sounds funny.
Trudy what are you saying you are not bi-lingual, of course you are!!! You speak Dutch, and English (and very well too) how is that not bi-lingual??
hello!!! can i go to turkish class even if i am only a tourist. coz i am planning to go to school just to learn a turkish lang. and if there is a requirment before entering a class there?
i just want to be prepare.. thanks a lot...
I think it would help you get your answer if you say how long you intend to stay in Turkey for. There are schools of course, but I would say you have to organise in advance.
I thought this was incredibly funny - it made me laugh out loud at times. Unfortunately I think only native English speakers or those with a very good command of the language will get the full humour of it. (sorry if I cause anyone any offence there  
It is even funnier when you have seen the "bankers" on TV glibly trying to apologise for their "banking" mistakes ............. well we are sorry, was about the measure of it............
excuse! ms. know-all... i just read all the msgs in this forum and i think you dont know what you are posting.. or you are a liar? you are lucky the lady cecille is so educated that she just ignore your post msgs... whats this? can you read it? i even saw your chats awhile ago and it seems that you are insisting as if you know everything, anyway have you been in turkey? you said that you know a worker in embassy, so what happen there? im not here to argue with you, i was to correct with your inconsistent post regarding the payment for tourist visa fee you are telling. clearly you are saying here in your post that the tourist visa fee cost around 1500-2000 usd for visa tourist fee only??? did you compute that?? almost 100,000 pesos just for tourist visa fee??? i googled how much 1 dollar to peso..oh my god you should be careful with what you are posting. many can read it and the lady garie is asking for help not for a discouragement.
Instead of calling Justintime a liar, please post the information you have about tourist visa from Phillipines, if you know better.
I think the young lady who started the thread now has enough information to make her decision whether she should visit Turkey or not.
Taking offence has become a national sport for the UK and the slightest hint of an insult is now making headlines in the UK press and TV news. This is a long and in places, very funny article about it.
Would you please specify what kind of science you are interested in?more in history and archeology or nature?That would help,I guess
I heard about Zonguldag Basin as far as geofeatures are concerned and Kizilirmak delta wetland,both in the Black Sea .
Any is the short answer! If you know some areas that would be great then I will do some research. I have not been able to find any lists from the UK as yet.
Can anyone help? I am trying to find information about Sites of Special Scientific Interest. Some I already know, like Dalyan, Oludeniz, Pamukkale etc but I would like to find information about others.
LL is am still chanting my mantra.....can I stop now?
Hahaha!! Oh sorry I didn´t say how long for.................. yes of course you can stop and go and get a well earned drink in the lounge which appears to be sadly in decline in these times of recession some people hey???
Regrets are not about whether or not we make a mistake. Regrets are about not trying your best with all the experience you have to do the best you can in any given situation. As long as you try your best, there is no room for regrets in life.
When we have done the best we can, with the knowledge or experience we have at the time, we are living in the now for new experiences to occur. As this is a learning ground for the soul, we will all make mistakes. And we will certainly and surely learn from those mistakes.
If we are smart enough to get it, we will not repeat the lessons. If we are not smart enough, the lessons will come time and again to teach us that particular lesson. The lesson is often dressed up differently to keep you growing and changing. But it will return as the lesson the soul needs to learn before spirituality can blossom.
The secret to living without regrets is to realise we are not perfect and will make mistakes. But in knowing this, we move on from the lesson and take the value of its message.
The grieving process is about defined steps: Anger, Bargaining, Grief, finally Acceptance. In our anger we regret the things we didn´t do when the relationship was alive. We never regret what we did do, whether it turned out good or bad for the relationship.
When bargaining we try to use our regrets to release the relationship to its final rest. Even though we would give anything to continue in it for longer, we bargain our regrets to make a deal for more time, more love, more companionship.
When we grieve, it is for the lost relationship in all its many patterns and interactions. You turn around and want to say something to someone who just isn´t there. In that grief you realize that the time and love you did share was so much more important than living in regret for the things you didn´t do.
I can only say that before you find yourself in the grieving process, be sure to do all the things your mind or heart can conceive. In that way you will never regret what you didn´t do. You will have fulfilled all the joy of a relationship well nurtured.
Deep and meaningful!! One thing in my life, I regret nothing I have done..............
I am not going decry anything anyone has written here because that is your view and you are entitled to that view. But please listen when some of us say we are not jealous.
I wrote how long I had been married and I have never been jealous. If my husband wants to look at another woman, then so what? If I want to look at another man, so what? It does not mean we are going to run off with someone else, far from it, it makes our relationship stronger if we allow each other that stretch of freedom.
If I did not have my freedom (and him likewise) to the extent to which we allow, we would not have been married for so long.
The shame is, ask anyone who works in an Accident and Emergency department and these sorts of attacks are getting more and more common, and not just against other ethnic groups but within their own ethnic groups, so you are not lighting any fires with this one Tami! You are getting very boring so why don´t you go and find something a little more interesting to write about, or is this now you latest obsession?
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[More spelling mistakes (what is up with me!!) pointed out my the ever diligent Tami! thanks]
Maureen there is a site on MSN Groups called something like "english girlfriends of turkish men" I think, try that one
You have to become a member, but they do have a lot of information on the site. I was once a member before I joined here and I must admit, this site is tame compared to that
It is something I notice when I go to Turkey and this subejct has been raised before.
One way for the resorts boys to attract girls is to have a pretty little puppy...... but we also noticed that the dogs are often tagged and they tend to find a sympathetic tourist (me) who will stroke and play with them. And for every one of me, there are plenty more.
As for cats, we saw many cats in the Bitez area, so starving, it is a wonder they could walk. One little cat came to our table every morning for breakfast and Mrs softy fed it every day. I even went home worrying about that little cat.
But in Gümüslük, I saw a cat that nearly made me sick! Half it´s bottom jaw and one eye was missing. It was looking at me and I nearly retched!!! There were about three cats under our table at lunch and my husband decided to drop some fish skin on the floor and I nearly didn´t have any legs left.
But certainly any country I have been too, apart from America, the cats and dogs are not treated like pets as we know it in the UK, but left to roam wild and fend for themselves (in general, not all are like that).
alameda, just because people don´t naturally feel jealousy doesn´t mean that they don´t have any emotions at all. If this happened to me, I would be hurt and angry.....not jealous. What would be the point of being jealous after finding out that your significant other has already betrayed you. For me, the relationship would be over. Much of my energy would be spent on healing......not jealousy.
Elizabeth, repeat after me:
we are jealous, we are jealous, we are jealous.................... well if you chant a mantra long enough you believe it?
A trusting and loving partner would normally be jealous of any uninvited intruder into his/her love´s privacy. Suspion of one´s own partner´s integrity need not follow, if mutual trust is there.
Thank you for your wise words!!! Obviously I have some way to go yet....................
I´d call a man/woman who is not jealous at all is ignorant in a relationship.
Lack of trust causes jealousy, but when there´s jealousy, it does not mean that it´s because of lack of trust because there´s one more thing which is something essential (in my opinion) in a relationship that leads to jealousy as well: possessiveness
Looks like both me and my husband are both ignorant then............ and somehow we have managed to be married for 32 years without being jealous...............
it is just because we have the best cuisine of the world..unlike British
UHMMM!! I just noticed this and I think it warrants deleting due to it´s offensive nature (how dare you, how very dare you suggest that our cuisine is errrrmmmm, not up to scratch - what is wrong with Fish and Chips!)
I watched a programme last night on BBC called Explore. Last nights episode was all in Turkey, and was extrememly interesting and informative. Take a look at the article above that accompanies one section of the documentary about how Turkish muslims are living today. That is from the devote Muslim girl buying a wig to cover her scarf so that she can go to uni, or the boar hunting / pork eating muslims in the mountains.
None of the languages is difficult enough if you have so called language aptitude and do you really think English is the hardest of them to learn?
And as far as kids are concerned ,in my opinion the best of teachers should teach them.Young learners absorb info so quickly and if the teacher is pseudo´teacher´may do more harm to them than good.He or she may only root mistakes and make their learning more difficult in the future.
Turkish ladies, Turkish young women, Turkish girls can drive very well, maybe they are better than others in foreign countries.And they have best cars.Come and see them if you travel to Turkey someday.
I can vouch for that, having been driven very nicely through Istanbul streets by a young Turkish woman!
Hehe, what a nice thread, right up my street! I am with Aenigma on this one.............. nothing beats a good burn up at the traffic lights, leaving a 20 something smart a**e with dust (or snow!) in his face!!!
Having done go-cart racing, riden a motorbike, and a variety of other vehicles in my time, and driven in several different countries, I would challenge any man to a race round a track (excluding all formular 1 drivers of course!)
The most annoying dirvers for me:
Mothers with a hord of kids in their fourxfour
Old people who have lost their senses (danger and direction)
Amtrak police arrest a man because he´s taking pictures for their photography contest.
funnily enough, I was about to get arrested a few years ago in NY for a similar reason
You have just had TWO AUSTRALIAN Train Drivers rolling on the floor in fits of laughter!! You have only further enhanced our opinion that you are one of the VERY FEW Genuinely Funny people on American TV today. We honour you for this extremely funny, incisive look at the stupidity and insane aspects of the "War On Terrorism" by granting you the right to attend ANY AUSTRALIAN BBQ, at any time, and drink our REAL BEER. Well done mate.
(CBS) Doctors say the octuplets born Monday outside Los Angeles are doing well.
But when they go home, it will be to a truly full house.
CBS News has learned the mother who gave birth to the octuplets has six other children.
An acquaintance who didn´t want to be identified told Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman the mom has four older boys and two girls.
"She is young," the acquaintance says, "fairly young. She has six children already. And in those six children, she has a set of twins."
While the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., hasn´t confirmed that the mom used fertility drugs, there are no documented cases of naturally conceived octuplets, Kauffman points out.
She has decided it is time to make some money and has done her first interview for American TV (forget the station) and papers, I guess so she can support her 14 children as a single mother,................. yes she is a single mother.
When you hear this and realise how much it must have cost to deliver those 8 children and how much it will cost to bring them up, I feel nothing but disgust for her and her complete selfishness and irresponsibility!
how about a mother´s love to a spiteful son? isn´t the love there one-sided? and if it isn´t mutual, is it wrong for a mother to love a son, just because the son doesn´t love him back?
That is the unconditional love of a parent to a child, but not all children love their parents in the same way. Mutual love in my opinion is between two non-related people.
Nothing wrong with that. Any country that has signed the Geneva Convention and is part of the UN should be doing the exact same thing actually. It is more of a matter of having the balls to do so. Every leader in the world knows very well how they are supposed to react to Israel´s aggression. Only a few have the balls to step on toes though.
I think it is very appropriate and am certainly glad that this is happening. Maybe other countries will follow the lead.
If there is a War on Terrorism, the standards shold apply equally to all those that terrorize. There is something that is called state-sponsored-terrorism, and Isreal´s actiona certainly fit into the description.
Additionally, similar charges would be appropriate for Dick Chenney, Rumsfeld, Blair, and of course Bush Junior for what they have done in Iraq.
I agree with you and it is a tad embarassing when your government appears to do nothing or nothing much
I think the interesting thing here will be to see if this is going to set a precedent. I notice in the article that Spain have also taken similar action.
I agree with you tinababy. The ´c´ word is definitely cause for removal-disgusting!
Sorry gals, but you will have to wait for Lady in Red to come along and sort it out. As I mentioned above, I dont have access to this forum to modify it otherwise I would have deleted the whole thread!!!
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sorry... but a friend of mine, sent this to my mail.... and i was wondering, maybe it´s an important message that she wanted to send to me... so im hoping you guys dont mind...
Is it really right that you are posting someone elses writing? As you don´t know what it says, it could be very private. You could always ask in the forum for translation help and send the post in a private message.
You can ask for all the advice in the world, but you can only make your own decisions. Only you know how you feel, and if you have had bad relationships in the past, this could seem very comfortable long distance.
I was in the line for a fast food take away with my younger sister, and the boy infront all of a sudden collapsed though he was conscious straight after hitting the ground. I went into first aid mode and asked if he was ok and the manager came round to call a paramedic, but what made me laugh, though at the time I made myself not laugh was he was on of these guys with his trousers half way down his bum and so when he fell over they were even more exposed, and his boxers had a HUGE hole in the back of them!
I was so shocked I didn´t know where to look Though at is bum was far from the list
Why do they wear there trousers like that? I have an urge to whip them down Really, I do not want to look some scrawny kids pants (boxers) .............
Thank you for posting this information about Bursa, a city I know little about. I like the photos of the mountains Uludag, and I know there is skiing there in Winter! Looks like somewhere I would like to visit.
He says he shakes like a girl and that this embarrasses him. He says none of his friends have every mentioned to him that this happens to them. Mind you he´s very young...
BUT ITS SOOOOO CUTE> Even if he is lying!
Oh well, you have the nail on the head - very young
My turkish man is certainly handsome, gentle and manly.
He told me that none of the turkish men he knows have "earth shattering" orgas...ms b/c letting yourself go in this way is not manly. That this is the first he has known - with me. Is that really true?
What? you need to ask "is this really true?" I would have thought having earth shattering orgasms is very manly
oh come on, a Turkish man marrying an American is unacceptable??? Please. I´ve seen lots of Turkish girls here in the states that find Turkish husbands online, so this girl is an American. who cares?
I think we need to start a "shoe throwing research project". See how many shoe throwing incidents we can find.
Hehe! I can start that one off ...................
It is a very long story, about a sister-in-law and brother-in-law and messy divorce. So to cut things short, sister-in-law got a little bit angry with me and threw her shoe at me down her stairs and it hit me on the head!
I know it pales into insignificance in political terms, but she was a bloody good shot!
CAMBRIDGE, England - A protester threw a shoe at Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and called him a dictator as he delivered a speech on the global economy in England on Monday.
The shoe missed Wen, landing about three feet away from him.
Really??? Whats the difference between an OL and a GCSE? I thougth they were the same :S
OMg 3 AL´s??????? OMG!!!!! AND an AS? In 3 years?? and 10? we only ahve to take 8
O´ Levels ended years ago. They were just exams at the end of your 5th year in secondary school (age around 15/16). You would generally take about 10 or so, depending on clever you were. You did not have to take any actually, and could leave school before.
GCSE´s took over and some of the end result is based on your course work through out the two years you study for them.
Gloomy!!! Like the weather........... and we can expect more snow and major disruption for the weekend! Airport close, trains stop running, no buses, only shanks pony ...........
I am planning a driving trip to Turkey in my motorhome and would be very gratefull of any information from locals and recommendations for campsites. My first Turkish stopover will be Istanbul, and would prefer to stay somewhere outside the city and use public transport for visiting. From there I will tour along the coast to Bodrum and then plan again from there. If there are places where I can wild camp safely I would like to know. Also if anyone knows of any web sites for this sort of travel.
When you say "wild camp" you mean in a tent in the wilderness? Requiring a small spade?? Or are you referring to stopping in your camper van?
2- I cant stop looking at my AWEsome purple nails, look so hot with my black and purple swatch watch
yeah... lookin at them now, while typing, lool, enough doudi!!!!
oh yeah, Question for ppl livin in da UK
is it true in highschool u only need to take 8 OL´s in 3 years????
CAuse then DAMN!! U guyz r REAL lucky!
We have to take (to get into college) 8 OL´s and 2 AL´s, or i think its 8 Ol and 1 AL and another AS
In other words, i think u have 2 take 8 OL´s , 2 As´s and 1 A2 looooooooooool
U know thres this one girl from egypt, she got 3rd on the world, she took 8 Ols and 8 Als!!!!!!
she got 156 %!! Ofcourse now, she in the UK (they took her ona full scholarship!)
Coz i heard tht ppl who finish IGCSE from here wehn they go to the UK they like go to 2nd or 3rd year in uni cause there they take AL´s in uni?
TRUE or FALse???
Yeah, anothr question, EDEXCEL is a college? Like Cambridge?
Coz u know we choose our subjects either CAmbridge or edexcel
ANYWAY!!!
umm... i 4got
oh yeah!
I just got my intrnational student card!!!! AWESOME!
Its like a credit card, b4 we go into the exam, we swipe it through this thing so they know we were there
my center number is :- Eg901 and my candidate no:- 0868 see i memorized them
happy
(but my mom gave them an awfuuuuuuuuuuul pic!!My passport pic. YUCK!, u know the one wher u cant smile!!!!)
Doudi, what a jumble!!
I know someone else has written about this, but Edexcel and Cambridge set the exam papers. Cambridge is generally recognised as better. EDexel are quite new to the game and offer what we know as NVQ´s as well. These are vocational qualifications, not exams but work based.
You take GCSE´s age 16 (any number up to about 12 is you are brainy) and there is not real pass level. But C or above is recognised to be pass for us old fashioned ones!
You take AS level age 17 (3 or 4, even 5 if you are clever) again C or above is recognised as pass. These have only been around for a few years, 3 or 4 I think.
You take A levels age 18 (3 or 4) and often follow on from AS level. You need A levels to get to uni and to get to a good one you need at least 22 points from those A levels.
The snow! Having moved desks again (5 times in 16 months) I now have a window view and can sit and look at the snow all day long
And whilst on the subject, a few piddly cms and we grind to a halt. I deliberately left my house early this morning, in my sensible clothes with a shovel in my car, ready for the worst!!! And what happened? Nothing, nicely gritted clear roads...............
The Turkish translation kindly PM´d to me by Texasizzit
Caným Ãstanbul
Ruhumu eritip de kalýpta dondurmuþlar; Onu Ãstanbul diye topraða kondurmuþlar. Ãçimde tüten birþey; hava, renk, eda, iklim; O benim, zaman, mekan aþýp geçmiþ sevgilim. Çiçeði altýn yaldýz, suyu telli pulludur; Ay ve güneþ ezelden iki Ãstanbulludur. Denizle toprak, yalnýz onda ermiþ visale, Ve kavuþmuþ rüyalar, onda, onda misale.
Ãstanbul benim canim; Vatanim da vatanim... Ãstanbul, Ãstanbul...
Tarihin gözleri var, surlarda delik; Servi, endamlý servi, ahirete perdelik... Bulutta saha kalkmýþ Fatih´ten kalma kir at; Pýrlantadan kubbeler, belki bir milyar kýrat... Þahadet parmaðýdýr göðe doðru minare; Her nakýsta o mana: Öleceðiz ne çare? Hayattan canlý olum, günahtan baskýn rahmet; Beyoðlu tepinirken aðlar Karaca Ahmet...
O manayý bul da bul! Ãlle Ãstanbul’da bul! Ãstanbul, Ãstanbul...
Boðaz gümüþ bir mangal, kaynatýr serinliði; Çamlýca´da, yerdedir göklerin derinliði. Oynak sular yalýnýn alt katýna misafir; Yeni dünyadan mahzun, resimde eski sefir. Her aksam camlarýnda yangýn çýkan Üsküdar, Perili ahþap konak, koca bir þehir kadar... Bir ses, bilemem tambur gibi mi, uda gibi mi? Cumbalý odalarda inletir katibi mi...
Kadýný keskin býçak, Taze kan gibi sýcak. Ãstanbul, Ãstanbul...
Yedi tepe üstünde zaman bir gergef isler! Yedi renk, yedi sesten þayisiz beliriþler... Eyüp oksuz, Kadýköy süslü, Moda kurumlu, Adada rüzgar, ucan eteklerden sorumlu. Her þafak Hisarlarda oklar çýkar yayýndan Hala çýðlýklar gelir Topkapý sarayýndan. Ana gibi yar olmaz, Ãstanbul gibi diyar; Güleni söyle dursun, aðlayaný bahtiyar...
Even if she did by sexual intercourse, so what? Women are not the possesion of men, not merchandise! As long as men think they have the right to f*** around, I think at least women have the right to decide about their own body! (Acting the same or staying a virgin, I don´t care, it must be THEIR decision!)
ISTANBUL - Doctors, lawyers, judges and legislators say a woman’s hymen reveals if she has had sexual intercourse. ’This is in fact a lie’ and an important message in the introduction to and throughout the book, ’Virgin: The Untouched History,’ says translator Emek Ergün
Last week a 22-year-old from San Diego, California, whose "virginity" has been famously on auction in recent months, said an Australian man had offered $3.8 million to be the first to have sex with her. In November the manger of a private girl’s dormitory in Istanbul alleged that an 18-year-old female student was sleeping with men à due to bruising on her face and neck à and tried to dismiss her. After two hospitals administered virginity tests on the girl, her father told the media that the tests proved she was a virgin.
The media often does little more than provoke further ignorance and expose that no culture is immune to the continued sexual objectification of women. From one form of exhibitionism to another, recent news magnifies virginity’s status as a commodity.
Since it is impossible to prove male virginity, I found the fuss about female virginity idiot! It is the body of the woman, who are ´they´ to demand (!) she should be a virgin?
I agree Trudy, it is a complete and utter farce!
It is even impossible to prove that a woman is a virgin, depending on what method of sanitary protection she uses!!! A woman who uses tampons regularly can cause the hymen to break therefore making her seem she has lost her virginity.
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The flashing signs say that we´re behing the Palestinian people, not to eat or feed McDonalds food, not to drink or make anybody drink Coke products, by eating McDonald´s food you´re shooting a bullet at yayrularla (no idea what that means), and it says about blood-red death advertisement of Coke.
My sentiments exactly!!! Look behind these conglomerates and I very much doubt they support Palestinians.
No I did not search for you, I was just amazed at how many people are members in all the different countries and was having a quick look at Turkey! But now I will go search...........
It gets even better....this woman already has SIX other children at home!
Why, why, whyyyyyyy would she use fertility drugs when you have 6 children already?
It is completely irresponsible - she had fertility treatment "somewhere" which she is keeping secret and was already 12 weeks pregnant with the 8 feotus before she went to see the doctor. She is keeping anonymous at the moment, but it will only be a matter of time.
Off course, but in a pragmatic way! But that is exciting not daydreaming!!! and I love excitment............................................................
I use vivaril, kind of a caffeine pill, for finals weeks. a single pill contains the same amount of caffeine you would get from one cup of coffee. so taking 4 of them at a time will keep you awake for at least 10 hours.
Not recommended for those with a heart condition!!!
Dr. Harold Henry and Dr. Karen E. Maples, both gynocologists at Kaiser Permanente in Bellflower, said that the eight babies were healthy and the mother was doing well.
Once, high above a pasture, where a sheep and a lamb were grazing, an eagle was circling and gazing hungrily down upon the lamb. And as he was about to descend and seize his prey, another eagle appeared and hovered above the sheep and her young with the same hungry intent. Then the two rivals began to fight, filling the sky with their fierce cries. The sheep looked up and was much astonished. She turned to the lamb and said: "How strange, my child, that these two noble birds should attack one another. Is not the vast sky large enough for both of them? Pray, my little one, pray in your heart that God may make peace between your winged brothers." And the lamb prayed in his heart.
Poignant in many cases! It´s a nice piece of writing too.
How easy would it be to get a job in Turkey, with a little bit of knowledge of Turkish?
I plan to move there to start my life over again, but I only have enough money between hotels and food for a one way flight. Since I am comming over with no job and enough money to get by, I think it will be hard (most likley impossible) to convince the government to give me a residence permit
TEFL has some nice opportunities
I take it you have been in touch with the Turkish consulate/embassy to check visa requirements and how long you have to have lived in Turkey before you can apply for residency etc? And that you can legally work in Turkey? Sounds like a non-starter to me.
What Makes 100%? What does it mean to give MORE than 100%? Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%. How about achieving 103%? What makes up 100% in life?
Here´s a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:
If: A B C D E F G H I J K L M
N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
Is represented as: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26.
Then:
H-A -R -D-W-O -R -K 8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%
And
K -N -O -W-L -E-D-G-E 11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5= 96%
But ,
A-T -T -I -T -U -D-E 1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%
And,
B -U -L -L -S -H-I -T 2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%
AND, look how far ass kissing
Will take you.
A-S -S -K -I -S-S -I -N-G 1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7= 118% So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty, that WhileHard workandKnowledge will get you close, and Attitudewill get you there, its theBullshitandAss kissingthat will put you over the top.
Today I am wearing a black tee shirt with bright pink bats on it, footless black tights and denim shorts that got my girlie into trouble some months ago........they are the same pair of shorts that she was wearing when I looked across the dance floor and couldn´t take my eyes off the pair of legs sat down not far away.......it didn´t take long to realise that the owner of those legs was also staring at me and hadn´t noticed I was wearing over-knee boots and a skirt - but was instead unable to detach her gaze from my eyes!!!
At the end of the night a different girlie came upto me and uttered those classy words - "my mate fancies you" !!! I little while later we were snogging and exchanged mobile numbers before heading our seperate ways.......but it was to be a night that changed my life.......
Tonight we going to the same club and meeting up with the same friend who uttered those corny words to me - will be the first time we have seen her since that night!!!
The BBC is continuing to resist pressure over its decision not to air an appeal for aid to Gaza, as the Archbishop of York joined its critics.
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>In a statement, he said: "This situation is akin to that of British military hospitals who treat prisoners of war as a result of their duty under the Geneva convention.
"They do so because they identify need rather than cause.
"This is not an appeal by Hamas asking for arms but by the Disasters Emergency Committee asking for relief. By declining their request, the BBC has already taken sides and forsaken impartiality."
"The danger for the BBC is that this could be interpreted as taking a political stance on an ongoing story."
I think the BBC are showing very clearly where their politic stance lies
To be honest, it showed to some extent in the reports by Jeremy Bowen. But at the same time, why is Israel not stumping up for some of this and also where is President Mahmoud Abbas in all of this??? Keeping a low profile being a Fatah man.
I did Google, but I got so many hits I got dizzy of it! And Google Earth? Sorry, it never works out for me, I therefor deleted it, I´m too blond I guess
Try reinstalling it as it really is possible to see the areas, how built up they are or forested etc. I think many of the areas you have suggested are a long way out of the main city area and not the sort of areas you would want to stay in, unless you are prepared for long bus journeys and nothing much to see in the area.
I googled some of these places a long time ago and I found a site that had details about most places in Istanbul. I will see if I can find it again.
Thehandsom has the wine in the chiller He told me he has quite an itinerary planned for you, even knows a good hamam But somehow he has to get rid of theaenigma................ shhhhh dont let anyone know I was supposed not to say anything
I´m thinking of couchsurfing the next time I´ll go to Istanbul (no, no dates set, no need for jealousy )
But.... when I seach for potential hosts I see areas I´ve never heard of. I know these areas: Beyoglu, Fatih, Kadikoy, Uskudar, Buyukada and Eyup (I know more but those, like Sultanahmet, Galata or Taksim or not listed).
My question is: Where are the next areas? I don´t mind travelling by tram, bus or subway, I will by an akbil but just 3 hours or so for a one-way trip seems a little too much for getting into town. Who can tell me?
I found those euopean cookies they give you on the plane, Biscoff. They were in my grocery store...I have been looking for these cookies for years....I love them!
Biscoff? Are they a hard biscuit covered with dark chocolate?
A family is at the dinner table. The son asks his father, ´Dad, how many kinds of boobs are there?´ The father, surprised, answers, ´Well, son, a woman goes through three phases.
In her 20s, a woman´s boobs are like melons, round and firm. In Her 30s to 40s, they are like pears, still nice but hanging a bit. After 50, they are like onions´.
Onions?´
Yes, you see them and they make you cry.´
This infuriated his wife and daughter, so the daughter said, ´Mom, how many kinds of ´willies´ are there?´ The mother, surprised, smiles and answers, ´Well dear, a man goes through three phases also.
In his 20s, his willy is like an oak tree, mighty and hard.
In his 30s and 40s, it is like a birch, flexible but reliable. After his 50s, it is like a Christmas tree´.
´A Christmas tree?´ Yes --- dead from the root up and the balls are just for decoration.´
Trudy - Calikusu only speaks a few words of English! He is not going to be able to read your essays
It is enough for him to know that there are people here who write lovely essays about Turkey, albeit rather long ...................... but all the same very nice (Particularly mine  !!!
yes but the complaint was about when they were married..... it seems to me this was enforcing a way to get custody of the children....with her out of the way and now with a criminal record she has less strength in her fight ..
Unfortunately it is a risk that women take when marrying into a culture such as this, where men have the most rights. Love is not enough, calculation of the risks should be applied!
And even later at the cash point loaded with bags of electronic good, laptop, phone, wiifit, Playstation, 5 litre of diesel....................................................
All for her dudu and the diesel? for his car moped
TC Tabliod sources say she is vacationing in beautiful Antalya with a mysterious male stranger. She was spotted in an electronics store trying to buy a laptop and was later seen in a cell phone shop.
And even later at the cash point loaded with bags of electronic good, laptop, phone, wiifit, Playstation, 5 litre of diesel....................................................
Yeh, well I already knew that! I was just joking on the Scottish Highland thing!!! btw French has always been a bit strange And the way that women is grabbing those horns.........
Finally, the guy´s boss returns and asks, "How did you do while I was gone?" To which the saleman responded, "I did really good, I sold one white dildo, one black dildo, and I sold your thermos for $165!"
Yes Aberdeen is my home town but I think LL has other plans. There might be a liaison with Hawk on the cards. There were rumours a short time ago and he stays just a short ferry journey away. I must be careful as I share this laptop with my partner.
Yeh I am working here. Had I known that you live here I would have made arrangements to meet!!! I am holed up in a hotel on the outskirts of the town, working ermmmmm well sort of! Who is Hawk btw way?
no, one thread is not enough for ros, i cant imagine her posting different things in one thread (i would get lost) . she must have a whole section for herself. a section with divisions like "roswitha´ s turkish culture", "roswitha´s turkish politics", "roswitha´s global politics" etc etc.
and im serious about it. this lady has a lot to share, she has enourmous collections of articles and pics. and it would be nice and neat to have them in one section.
It would also be easier if you had your own section ......................... so much easier to ignore , plus you would not have me replying to any of your posts which I am sure would delight you
Merhaba i m ZZZZZZZZ i m from Turkey i want to meet u if u are want talk to with me my msn is xxxxxx@hotmail.com Bekliyorum.xx
did you see the same message in your PM box today ?
should i press the Spamm button ?
or
should i meet with him?
It´s a personal thing!
I don´t spam anyone. They just get a polite reply, end of story. But on saying that, I have communicated with some TLC members and had some long lasting friendships arise from their initial PM which still remain. But I must say that is only a very few and the conversation via PM where a little more ................... erhmm conversational that this!!!
it`s you who needs to learn what they stand for. Obama supports Israel`s atrocities in Gazze, and he has explicitly said that whe would keep the american troops in Afghanistan and withdraw from Iraq only partially.
so where is the change?
I`m still waiting for your answer gg. what would happen if Obama took an oath on kuran?
The fight in Afganistan is a whole different kettle of fish from Iraq in as much as the forces there (and not just American!!!) are fighting the Taliban or do you support them?? I hope not. I think you will find that most Afgan people support the troups in an attempt to restore a semblance of freedom that is trying to be destroyed by the Taliban.
The Talbian are a dispicable bunch of people who will kill at random with little excuse. They will destroy books, education, and women are treated worse that they would treat a pig.
A nude photo of Madonna, taken before erotic songs and risque costumes catapulted her to superstardom, is expected to sell for at least $10,000, Christie´s auction house says.
The raw, full frontal black-and-white image, taken by Lee Friedlander, appeared in Playboy in 1985 and is to be auctioned Feb. 12. Madonna was a 20-year-old dancer trying to make ends meet when she answered Friedlander´s newspaper ad seeking a nude model, said Matthieu Humery, head of Christie´s photography department.
GENEVA (AP) — A Swiss lawyer working on behalf of the Iraqi journalist who threw shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush said Monday his client will seek political asylum in Switzerland.
Not sure how someone can seek Political Asylum when they are not able to get to the country of choice! I was under the assumtion that you had to reach that country first and claim asylum at the border or where ever you got to within the country before getting caught. If this is allowed then that will open up the flood gates of people in prisions employing foreign solicitors and claiming asylum through them. Anyway, how can he afford a Swiss solicitor?????
GENEVA (AP) — A Swiss lawyer working on behalf of the Iraqi journalist who threw shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush said Monday his client will seek political asylum in Switzerland.
Not sure how someone can seek Political Asylum when they are not able to get to the country of choice! I was under the assumtion that you had to reach that country first and claim asylum at the border or where ever you got to within the country before getting caught. If this is allowed then that will open up the flood gates of people in prisions employing foreign solicitors and claiming asylum through them. Anyway, how can he afford a Swiss solicitor?????
I am apologising now!!! I have just read through this thread and I must say, I have ended up laughing, not at the original story but the postings that follow! It is like an argument between siblings - if one can´t have the other can´t have it!! So sorry
I was also going to say, if I was going to see a belly dancing performance, I would not want to go with a guided trip. There will more than likely be a hidden agenda which will cost money The one at Galata tower is recommended as one of the best but why not find one of your own or go along by yourself?
We will be traveling to Turkey at the end of February, beginning of March. We are so excited! This is our first trip. I´m a bit nervous about the language, I understand written Turkish a fair bit, but I´m nervous if they speak to fast, I won´t be able to catch what they are saying...so I will be taking my dictionary with me wherever I go. So here is a tentative plan for what we will be doing, your input would be great appreciated. The hotel preferred currency is the Euro, is that the same throughout Turkey? Should I have Euros as well as YTL?
Day 1 - 5 Istanbul
Staying in the Sultan Ahmet area and will take in the following sites that we can walk to from our hotel:
Topkapi (where can I get tickets to get into the Harem part and do I have to book this part through a tour? What tour group do you recommend?)
Hagia Sofia
Grand Bazaar
Blue Mosque
Sulaymanye Mosque
Possibly:
Dolmabahce Palace
Spice Bazaar (I´m not really interested in spices so I think we might skip this one)
Princes Island (If we have time, I think I can book a tour when I get to the hotel)
Taksim Square (not sure what is there?)
Day 5 - 13 Antalya
Staying at a Resort. I´m not sure what is out in Antalya, but since I will be traveling with a small child, I can´t do anything stenuous, so we´ll probably just stay in the area.
Day 13 - 15 Istanbul
Regroup at hotel, perhaps go see our favorite sites from beginning of trip.
Did I miss anything? Anything we absolutely should do/see while we are in the area? Please let me know!
Advice needed on Dining/Entertainment:
What restaurants are in the Sultan Ahmet area? Which ones do you recommend? I would prefer to walking to taking a taxi or driving.
There is a Belly dancing/dinner show tour available at Galata Towers, I was thinking of taking advantage of, what do you guys think of those?
I´m pretty excited and very flexible about my plans...we are just going to chill and take it slow so I don´t want to schedule too much in. We will be going end of Feb, beginning of March, so I know it will still be a bit chilly?
Your input would be greatly appreciated.
How about the Basilica Cistern? While you are in the Blue Mosque area, just across the road is the Cistern. Worth a visit and it would only take about on hour or so.
Your first language is English and you find it difficult to understand at times?
No offense to Scots. But how about Scottish accent? That should be more difficult then.
I heard that sometimes British movies are dubbed in USA to help the viewer understand the [[script]] better.
Because of the strong regional accents and regional variations on the English, some British people are very difficult to understand. I come for Norfolk but dont have a strong accent, but I find it hard to understand someone from the North (Geordie) or someone from Glasgow. Most others I am OK with. Some accents I can´t stand, Liverpudlian (from Liverpool) and a strong Essex accent.
ADMIN: I ALSO NOTICE THAT [script] HAS BRACKETS AROUND IT
btw I have traced much of my family back to the late 18th/early 19th Centuary except for my Great Grandfather who was a Turkish Sailor and moved on leaving my Great Grandmother pregnant with my grandmother. He most probably did not know this of course, therefore he was an early 20th Centuary Dudu, very likely the first and most original.
Just like to point out, as this is a bit misleading, that my Grand-mother was born in 1903. So if anyone is aware of a Turkish sailor who was carrying one of those new fangled inventions called a Telephone (looking something like this perhaps) he could well be my Great Great Grandfather!!!
A Czech artist David Ceny, has launched his artwork depicting the member EU states in the EU Parliament (his sterotypical views of the countries). On the news you see the depictions hanging high above an entrance forum. I think it looks like the Council of Ministers building, but not sure.
His depiction of Bulgaria is that of Turkish toilets and the Bulgarian EU spokesperson voiced their disapproval and offence.
It also seems he has sparked further rows with Slovakia joing in demanding the removal of the massive artwork. He has also depicted Lithuania as five soldiers urinating over the border of Belarus. Something to do with the Eurovision song contest??
I have not taken time to found out yet how he has depicted Britain, if anything we should be a big toilet, as we are going down the pan right now or perhaps multi coloured depicting the many nationalities that live here.
An amusing thing is how sensitive some of the EU states are to what is meant to be a tongue in cheek stereotypical view of EU states. Furthermore someone in the EU has comission and agreed this work and paid him for it. Perhaps the same people arranged for it to be hanged high above the building entrance for all to see.
What an expensive Faux Pas, loved by euro sceptics (look how they are wasting our money) and I tend to agree on that point.
To reiterate Ros post, yes Israel has managed to bomb the UN compound and destroyed all the food, medical supplies and humanitarian supplies, which has caused the Iraeli Prime Minister to "applogise" to the head of the UN who was visiting Israel today. This has been on the news tonight.
It is always quite useful to check out the reviews from other hotel guests of a particular hotel so you can make an informed decision, and avoid nasty shocks!!
It also gives you details about places, night lift, does and dont´s etc etc and these are all visitors comments.
I have found it useful in the past and have also contributed with reviews of my own.
Haha!! Rolls Royce provide a "thrust experience" when they sell their aeroplane engines to BA. They also call it "power by the hour"................. not sure what I laughed at most
At last!!!! Something about Turkey that no one is arguing with!
I really enjoyed this story, thanks Tami for posting. A green environment is very close to my heart I would be interested to hear more about how Turkey is dealing with environmental issues or any links that I can read stuff for myself.
Quoting tamikidakika
Ahmet Bedevi, also known as Tarzan of Manisa, was born in 1900 in Baghdad to become a soldier, fighting in the War of Independence and honored with a medal. He returned to a ruined and destroyed Manisa in 1923. Bedevi started working at the Municipality as a fireman and a gardener. He became the pioneer and symbol of planting activities. Because of the soft climate of the area, he first wore a vest and trousers and then he started wandering about in the town in his shorts. The people of Manisa saw his resemblance to Tarzan because of his clothes, and always cherished him with love. Tarzan of Manisa lived in the mount Spilylus, ignoring all his individual needs but working for a greener environment. He died on 31st May, 1963. However, he has never been forgotten by the locals; on the contrary, he was immortalized for the things he did for Manisa and people followed his example.
Ahmet Bedevi, also known as Tarzan of Manisa, was born in 1900 in Baghdad to become a soldier, fighting in the War of Independence and honored with a medal. He returned to a ruined and destroyed Manisa in 1923. Bedevi started working at the Municipality as a fireman and a gardener. He became the pioneer and symbol of planting activities. Because of the soft climate of the area, he first wore a vest and trousers and then he started wandering about in the town in his shorts. The people of Manisa saw his resemblance to Tarzan because of his clothes, and always cherished him with love. Tarzan of Manisa lived in the mount Spilylus, ignoring all his individual needs but working for a greener environment. He died on 31st May, 1963. However, he has never been forgotten by the locals; on the contrary, he was immortalized for the things he did for Manisa and people followed his example.
At last!!!! Something about Turkey that no one is arguing with!
I really enjoyed this story, thanks Tami for posting. A green environment is very close to my heart I would be interested to hear more about how Turkey is dealing with environmental issues or any links that I can read stuff for myself.
I must say that I am not entirely convinced with ´I am arabic´. You might be using it as a native speaker but I never heard of ´I am arabic´ but ´I am an arab´.
Dictionaries giving ´the inhabitants of Ireland and their descendants elsewhere´ for irish for example. And also turkish as ´Of or relating to Turkey or its peoples, languages, or cultures´ (some of them).
Maybe it is just easy and simpler to use in daily spoken English.
Arabic is the language, it is:
I am an Arab
I am Arabian
I am an Arab
He is an Arab
He is Arabian
He speaks Arabic
I speak Arabic
I am Turkish
I am a Turk
He is a Turk
He is Turkish
I speak Turkish
He speaks Turkish
btw I have traced much of my family back to the late 18th/early 19th Centuary except for my Great Grandfather who was a Turkish Sailor and moved on leaving my Great Grandmother pregnant with my grandmother. He most probably did not know this of course, therefore he was an early 20th Centuary Dudu, very likely the first and most original.
Some more interesting detail about the yalis of Istanbul. Next time I go it will be something I look out for. No doubt when we walk around Istanbul we do not realise what we are seeing.
I am glad my post which I enjoyed writing has not been wasted..
Where is the white building located - along the Bosphorus? It just looks quite familiar, and I remember stopping along the Bosphorus (before the Bosphorus bridge) at a cafe and the building was very similar.
Strides was a word that used to be used for trousers where I came from ...but Bod´s wearing shorts in the pic. Does ´strides´ mean ´legs´ in Norfolk? (´cos his legs aren´t bad!)
Strides means legs!! Never heard it meaning trousers!
In fact a little more detail, because you sit "astride" something or you "stride out" meaning brisk walk
Yes - they are xmas tree shaped biscuits on top of curry
ESOL is a course that we run in school one morning a week for parents. It satnds for English for Speakers of Other Languages I think.
Yes that is correct and it is for those foreigners living in the UK who cannot speak or speak very little English. (Not having much luck today, now I can´t unitalic my italics )
An American skier had a bit of a nasty experience (along with other skiers who witnessed it) when he slipped out of a malfunctioning chair lift, and hung upside down by one leg of his ski suit, exposing his bare buttocks and privates for all see for some 15 min!
Hmm, Israel withdrew 3 years ago from the Gaza strip in order to instill peace..since then Hamas has sent over 3 thousand missles into Israel within the last year targeting civilians. Can´t really comprehend why anyone is questioning Israel´s actions...Your not suggesting they need to peacefully discuss this sitting at the kitchen table now...just a little too late for that.
I find this an incredible statement and indicates the level of brainwashing or lack of reasonable media coverage that goes on in the USA. Israels actions are doing nothing but propergating Hamas and may be Hezbollah after hearing todays news.
No, the mice are too smart for you. While you were relaxing in your bath they were running all around your house.....chewing up things in your closets, climbing on your kitchen counters, eating your cat´s food and leaving their little trails of droppings all over the place.
I had a mouse living behind my washing machine for months, unbeknown to us and my two cats. The audacious little thing was gathering cat food (dried variety) and storing it behind the washing machine, in the little nest it had made out of dust and fluff (   It was when the washing machine went wrong and we had to pull it out (   that we discoverd this secret residence.
Just to put your minds at rest, the little chap escaped through the garage, I would never kill a mouse, I have a humane trap.
Working in an open plan office can be very errrr boring sometimes. Silence except for the rattle of a keyboard................. but today there was a rattle of another kind
someone farted
Still complete silence except for the rattle of keyboards
I dyed my hair brown in January last year and I looked as if I was down with aenemia I´m chalk-pale by nature so brown hair is not for me. Neither is red unfortunately so I have to stick by blondes
I tried a blonde wig once and looked completely incipid! My skin is the wrong colour too!
TheH´s post (and Tam´s comment about blondes) has some grounding... but it is very old fashioned thinking.
Decades ago, any woman who dyed her hair was considered promiscuous and cheap. The kind of "blonde" that got noticed was the bleached peroxide type. In that sense, maybe it was true that men would have fun with such a girl, but marry a more "innocent" girl. The idea that blondes were dumb, also springs from this kind of era, where the kind of girl who wanted to look like 40s/50s film star thought that appearence was far more important than intelligence.
However, these days of course, you are not judged if you dye your hair. Sadly, old ways of thinking (and men´s prejudices) take much longer to change
All this "blondes have more fun" is a fallicous notion - being a natural brunette, I have had my fair share of fun (and still am) I can never understand why anyone with nice brunette hair would want to dye it blond! I never envied those girls, who always seemed a bit superficial, of their dyed blonde hair!
à did,yes,its available to use abroad like roaming,but it cost arm and leg !
à thought it would be better and cheaper if we can buy SÃM from the country we are in and use their Data SÃM
But seems Vodafone was more smarter ! grrrrrrrr
There is Vodafone in Türkiye,its a bit new there it seems,but i remember i saw it on their site once,tho i didnt understand almost anything,but it was there.
It is different to a normal mobile telephone service, I believe. I think this lady is asking for a mobile internet service, which is obtained on a 3G transmission. In the UK, you buy a contract for the mobile internet service in addition to a mobile telephone contract (or some people have "pay as you go").
The only mobile service provider at the moment in Turkey who have a licence to provide this service is Turkcell. Unless my info is already out of date of course!
I would doubt that this service is so easily transferable as mobile phone access, where by you automatically connect to the appropriate service.
why does everybody send links? dont you know nobody cares about links
It is actually the "source" of the materials that are important not the internet links (although it does provide the source) as when quoting anyones writings / articles etc. Otherwise you can get done for breaching copyright or plagiarism. (Ciko with an "h" ?? )
Does anyone know if mobile internet is available in Turkey? Most of the mobile phone companies in the UK (e.g. Vodafone) now offer this service. It usually takes the form of a small modem stick which you plug into into a USB port on your laptop which gives instant broadband internet access.
If anyone knows if there is something similar in Turkey and has a rough idea of what it costs I would be very grateful.
Thanks.
I think you are talking about mobile 3G broadband internet access, which is normally a contract on its own. You get a usb stick and it has to be activated similar to a mobile phone. The transmitters are not the same as for mobile telephone services. I have a data card (same principle at the USB stick) in the UK which I use for work, and coverage is very patchy.
A quick search for 3G in Turkey has brought up this site, and there is more information. Looks like Turkcell are the only ones at the moment with 3G broadband access.
UK Muslims fighting in Afghanistan Against British Military
Someone needs to tell the multiculties, Gordon Brown & his NuLabourites along with the rest of the dhimmis that all the freebies and benefits of the UK have not transformed muslims into "British". This shouldn´t be a surprise as back in 2006 a survey of muslims living in Britain found:
"When asked, "Is Britain my country or their country?" only one in four say it is. Thirty percent of British Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia (Islamic religious) law than under British law. According to the report, "Half of those who express a preference for living under Sharia law say that, given the choice, they would move to a country governed by those laws."
Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state. This comports with last year´s Daily Telegraph newspaper survey that found one-third of British Muslims believe that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to end it."
a source here for LIR who has to persecute me according to TC rules:
then what are they doing in the UK? they indeed should move out to those countries.
Thank you but why is it for me? Have I ever given you the impression I support this? I don´t think so. As far as I am concerned anyone who does not want to live under our laws should return to their own country.
I am over the worst of the lurgie, but when I was really bad I ordered by shopping online from Tescos....might be an idea?
EDIT: I thought you said you were ON your death bed!
Offfffff salak me
No, today I am begining to surface after 10 days I live two miles from Tesco so the husband gets sent for essentials (and forgets them) Yeh, shopping on line - never been one of my finest moments
Awww ok I see what you mean! Hmmm maybe I am half Turkish because I am also feeling a tad paranoid today too AND I have a theory that this whole thread is a big conspiracy!
Anyway, I am not complaining I am just saying that it seems strange because WE (in the UK!!) don´t say it until after New Years Eve....then it goes on and on.....and on...all through January
It is a bit like tempting fate......in case you don´t make it until January 1st
I think you have had one to many lemsips! I was unaware of the "custom" and wished people Happy New Year in December, before I finished work!!!!
But I guess you mean as a form of celebration, we usually wish people a Happy New Year as we see the New Year in at midnight on New Years Eve.
There are various traditions and superstitions around the UK the most notable is to take a piece of coal when you call upon a neighbour etc after seeing the New Year in.
If there is a freedom of stating thoughts as you say... i have the right to say how sad i am to see there is no response at whats going on in Gazza... and people were online enough to say a couple of words believe me...
And then you poped up with hatred of religions, east-west stories as usual...
I am also annoyed by your post too! Some of us don´t spend all day everyday on here, and it is Christmas, we are with our famlies. Me? I have been in bed with a virus so no interest in coming on here. And now it is around 4:00 and I can´t sleep.
I saw the news this evening, or yesterday evening now, and I strongly condem the action of Israel, I always have done, but I don´t need to rush to TC to announce that or argue about it for that matter.
It is the kind of embrace reserved only for new love.
So Paul Weller´s passion for his 23-year-old backing singer must be particularly galling for his former lover Samantha Stock, whom he left just weeks ago.
The 50-year-old singer moved out of the £2million house in West London that he shared with Miss Stock, 38, after falling for Hannah Andrews, who sings on his latest solo album.
Afghan mother of seven to spend Christmas in her £1.2m house... and taxpayers will foot the £12,500-a-month bill
family who were moved into a £1.2million home at taxpayers´ expense are still there for Christmas despite the Government promising a crackdown on housing benefits.
Mother-of-seven Toorpakai Saiedi moved into the seven-bedroom detached property in July and receives £170,000 a year in benefits, which includes £12,500 a month for her rent.
Her council has been unable to find suitable council housing, forcing it to pay a private landlord to re-house the family
Work and Pensions Secretary James Purnell promised to stamp out the practice when the case was exposed but both the council and the family say they have heard nothing.
Mrs Saiedi´s son, Jawad, 20, said: ´They haven´t said anything about moving out and although we´re really happy here we won´t resist when they ask us as we know we´re very lucky.
´It´s a great place but it´s not our fault the council has housed us here. Of course every day we still feel like we´ve won the lottery jackpot - who wouldn´t because it´s a really good area?
´We will see what happens when our case is reviewed and if we are told to move then that´s how it is.´
Mrs Saiedi moved to London seven years ago after she fled her native Afghanistan during civil unrest.
She was made homeless from a five-bedroom house in Ealing, West London, this year and pleaded with the council for a suitable home but there was nothing available.
As well as seven bedrooms, the house they have since moved into in nearby Acton has two reception rooms, a dining room, two kitchens and an extensive back garden.
Jawad, a student who lives in the house with his mother, three sisters and three brothers, thinks the council ´must be mad´ to pay such a high rent for them
The landlord, Ajit Panesar, is being paid double the normal market value of the property because of another government loophole.
Despite the outcry, the council says its hands are tied until next July when the case comes up for review.
But Mr Purnell has told MPs that a cap will be imposed on the rent for a house of five bedrooms or more by April. An Ealing council spokeswoman said: ´We welcome the Government´s intention to change the law to close the loophole and as soon as the law has been changed we will take action.´
Three Ealing council offers were sacked for placing the family in the house although they claim they were made scapegoats.
Mark Wallace, campaign director of the Taxpayers´ Alliance, said: ´The system has gone seriously wrong when one family is costing taxpayers so much. The family could be helped without such a large bill.
oh a source before lir starts persecuting me for that
Not exactly fresh, from October I think. Anyway the landlord owns a business called "I saw you coming". To right those people from the council where sacked. They did not even vet the landlord. He put up the price because he knew there was not a lot of choice in that area.
Thank you Libralady. I am based in Scotland, but my family and I spend around 4 or 5 months of the year on the Bodrum Peninsula. Unfortunately there are no direct flights to Bodrum from Scotland outwith the main tourist season, so it usually means travelling via Manchester or London if we want to go over the Winter.
I agree that it is becoming more difficult to get cheap flights to Turkey. I think Turkey will be popular with British Tourists in 2009. With the Pound having fallen in value and now almost on a par with the Euro, I think many Brits will be looking at Turkey as an alternative to places such as Spain, Portugal, France etc.
I´ll give Easyjet a try also.
What about flights out of Glasgow? I am sure you would have tried that, but I know you can get cheap Ryanair flights from Prestwick to Stansted. Or Easyjet to Glasgow Int from to Stansted.
Feeling rough the sniffles on Christmas Eve, has turned into woman flu which is of course infintely worse than man flu Aching neck and shoulders, nasty cough, sneezing (and stuff ) sore throat.................
Well I guess those figures only include legal immigrants
Yes you are right there, they are what is know as the black economy, no pun intended there. And they usually are exploited, live in dreadful accomodation, been brought here under false pretences, etc and dont earn a living wage and they cant claim anything as they technically dont exist.
Blimey this is like being at work answering all these questions, and I was going to bed.
i have no problem with that, i mean those who never thought of contributing but only taking. also theres a thing called a common sense. the sense that gives you some wisdom of how you have to behave at the friendly and hospitable house.
So who takes but does not give back? Tell us! I have access to the figures at work, it is part of my job and there is no evidence that suggests otherwise, only scare stories in the trash, gutter press. And is there any evidence that migrants are other than friendly? I have see no evidence against it, only the home grown terrorists. Poles, Lithuanians etc etc are a friendly bunch in general like their vodka etc fight amongst themselves, but otherwise a hard working and reliable bunch of people.
So not sure what your argument is when you are a migrant yourself!
and they forget the reality and start demanding more than they could get.
You need to know what you are talking about and get your facts right before you start pointing fingers and Migrationwatch is not the place to get it, or the Daily Mail or the Daily Star etc etc and dont forget you are labelled with the tag to!
I do agree with you - especially about asylum seekers. I don´t think anyone has a "right" to block people going wherever they want actually - it is luck where you are born (good or bad).
I just wish there was a solution to the overcrowding and draining of resources
Well you can blame our clever government for not putting restrictions on the A8 like other Eu countries did. It all went a bit pear shapped in 2004 when the Poles came over in droves. At one point we had over 2m but about 1m have gone home.
That is why they put restrictions on the A2 Bulgaria and Romania and are not lifting them. Doh, 4 m in Romania, 44,000 here and some leaving who else is going to come here when Romania is actually doing better that the UK? There is the 2012 Euro cup infrastructure to be built in Poland and Ukraine, so where are the workers going now? Not forgetting Dubai!
But I heard recently that MORE English people were leaving
(LIR and Marion are to blame for this )
Migration means either moving in or out or within the UK on a temporary basis - emigration mean leaving for good, and immigration means coming here for good.
The figures show that both inward and outward movement of UK citizens, so it all gets a bit confusing.
Yes more English people are leaving but those would be emigration figures and not migration figures
You know our govenrment and their massaging of figures
I was kind of liking your posts about 22 nipples, 11 bums etc..
Well I was thinking of you when I decided we had talked enough about nipples etc as it is holiday time, lots of time on your hands minds wander etc etc and there is cooking to do,and veggies to clean and peel = we dont want to distract from that
But surely also, I have heard that the rate of migration includes a larger percentage of native English?
It does but our wonderful government had not got that sophisticated until recently realising emigration was a factor!! That is where the net figure of 250,00 comes from. When I get time I will write something on it if you like
But ,what you said above doesnt explain the immigration rate to UK
Ãf things are that bad there,why people want to live there ´None Brits of course´ ?
But they are all going home!!! don´t take notice of the papers, they are turning back, the migration rate between 2007and 2008 have dropped by 36% and net migration is about 250,000 - which take account of those going out and those coming to the UK. If only I was at work I have all the figures
Romanians and Bulgarians will not have any greater access to the uk as the restrictions to the migration rules will not be lifted. In fact I could write whole paper on it!!
Na, the sport has only pictures and very little writing ( if that what it is?) the sport according to a tv programme I watched once has no less than 22 pairs of nipples gracing its pages!! The Daily Star does have "some" writing in it.
I thought only labourers "read" the Star....for the topless pics....
Chip paper that is all it is - if only health and safety would allow it !!! My huband being a dedicated builder would only ever "read" the Daily Sport at work
i didnt know i was reading worse papers you see i stopped being very liberal like many of you
Sorry to disappoint you, but the headlines last week in the DS were something like : Immigrant take all our jobs! hehe and yes, it is what we call gutter press and the reading age is something like 7 years old for that paper.
Really I don´t give a shit as it is not my website, so that leads me to believe that you don´t have a source and you have just been reading the Daily Mail right wing paper or some other red top paper, Daily sport or the Daily Mirror perhaps?
Migrationwatch ............. hahahahaha right wing facists!!!!
well, i think he would be more than happy to meet me if you show him my posts
you see, even here you show your ignorance, because you see no farer than your own nose (just like your gov).
as for we talk about immigrants, darling, i think you hate such brilliant immigrants like me, but love and support the ones like from somalia.
such immigrants like me work hard, learn and speak the language, integrate, assimiliate, dont demand money and benefit, do things in accord with law, pay taxes and live in gratefulness. but you, ignorant lady prefer to pick on such ones because its easy.
i would love to see you speaking to jihadists as brave as you talk to me.
Haha! As for my government, I detest them!!! I never voted for such a bunch of monkeys.
But you are not the only immigrant to the the UK, nor are the Somalis who are mostly asylum seekers, and as it is my job to support all immigrants or migrants to the UK.
As a moderator, we are still waiting for your source for your initial post about the Somali asylum seekers. Do you want Catwoman et al to get in trouble? You need to quote your source when you copy stuff from the internet. It is not free, there it often copyright attached to it, therefore you should quote that source otherwise permission is needed.
It wasn`t meant to compare England and Turkey. what I`m saying is people immigrate to England and other countries just because these countries are wealthier hence they have more and better job opportunities.
as for the living costs, i think that depends very much on how you want to live. a pair of lewis jeans costs more in Turkey than it does in America although the ones that are sold in Turkey are all produced in Turkey. if you don`t want to pay that amount for jeans you can buy a "brandless" one from a street market too for a very low price, but you can do that in America too. I`m sure that they sell jeans for very low prices at walmarts. That`s the same for all other consumer products you can think of.
you`re saying that you ve got a meal for 7 sterlings in Turkey, but you can do that in America too depending on where you want to eat. There are restaurants in Istanbul which sell just a plate of entries for 100 liras.
I think the only thing that costs significantly less in Turkey is real estates.
Read my lips!!! The job opportunities are zero in the UK! More and more people are being made redundant............... we have endless regulations. You cannot smoke in an enclosed space /place - surely that would be enough to put most Turks off
This seems like my own little campaign with 100 reasons why not to come to England. Perhaps Yilgin could take this up with a list
Can we call it quits now? please ??? I do like you, you know Please I have a cold and it is nearly Christmas and I have to cook dinner for my in-laws (hopefully you are feeling a little bit sorry for me now
Calikusu..pek fazla bir seyden bahsedildigi falan yok..
Pek onemli degil vallahi.
God you are so sexy when you talk Turkish Oh sorry must be the wine!! Yeh, did you tell him / her that it is all getting a bit out of hand but that is quite normal for the deliquints that use this site
I know there are illegal Mexican immigrants in America who works for $800 a month in very bad conditions.
the cost of living in Turkey might not be as high as that in England, but the rate of average income over average living costs is still way higher in England.
Tami, why are you always trying to compare England with Turkey? Turkey is beautiful a wonderful place. But England is where I was born. The cost of living here is much more than that of Turkey. Maybe we get paid more, but it is relative. I dispute that your cost of living is higher than ours, but I do not have proof. When we come to Turkey every thing is so much cheaper, jeans for instance, you can buy in Turkey for about £20 (but I bet a Turk would pay less) in the UK the same jeans are about £60 or £70 maybe as much as £120.00. You can get a meal for about £7.00 - you can hardly get a McDonalds shitty burger for that here.
It is not a competition you know, we all have our good points and our bad points, and it is accepting those good and bad points that count.
Is the cost of living calculated in this? I hear UK being referred to as "Rip-off Britain", my guess is due to the high cost of living. How does it compare to Turkey? I don´t know what the actual numbers would be for either country, but my guess is it´s not as high in Turkey. So what if you make $35k a year if you have to spend $1,200+ a month for mortgage?
Opps, you´re talking GDP ... never mind.
Maybe GDP but that means didly squat when you are out of a job and USA will know what that is like too! Unemployment is rising like the tide from a Tsunami in both countries.
the gdp per capita of England is $35,000, whereas Turkey`s gdp per capita is just $12,000. That means England is almost 3 times richer than Turkey. Thus it has more and better job opportunities for imigrants.
If that`s not the case, why do you get immigration. do people come england because they love the nature and climate there?
Sorry Tami, but industry is shedding jobs, retail is shedding jobs! Woolworths is closing losing 30,000 jobs, MFI had closed, Focus stores have closed, banking, or much of it had been nationalised and many jobs have been lost and I don´t how many jobs have been lost. In the New Year, it is expected that 10 major high street retailers will go bust. House prices have fallen something like 25% in a year. Construction is in decline. No one can get a mortgage. England is not the bed of roses it was just a year ago.
Do you know what is keeping the UK going? Government spending, government contracts. Not a lot else I am afraid. Recession is hitting hard and deep and people still want to come here. For pity´s who the hell knows why.
GDP is always out of date. But we have freedom, well sort of
I forgot to mention, the car industry is also on the verge of colapse and they are talking about bailing it out.
there aren`t many nationaities in Turkey, because there isn`t any immigration to Turkey, because Turkey is not as rich as your country. so what?
You think we are a rich country? You better start reading the paper then my boy! You would not come to England if you were forced to!!! We are in more debt that you could ever imagine and it will take years to get out of it. We are parity with the Euro, well shit happens!
no, it`s not banned. if you had not known that you could have asked instead of making wrong arguments and pretending to know everything.
so since Kurdish is not banned and Kurds can run kebab shops in Turkey too, what is your point?
The point is the rest of the post which you have chosen to ignore. Go back and have a look. How many nationalities in Turkey bit etc etc ! If you can answer - I am just interested thats all.
yawn! still the same crap? move on libralady, move on. no one buys this pkk propaganda anymore.
Yawn yawn, I will move on when you move on! haha did I mention PKK? I don´t think so, but I am right, Kurdish is banned is it not? I don´t use Kurd and PKK in the same breath.
we get exactly the same from the Kurds, but the level of racism in Turkey is nothing close to that in Europe.
Im actually amazed at how freely you make such racist comments and still call yourself a "liberal". we can`t do that in Turkey.
So, how many nationalities live in Turkey and how many languages are spoken? Does the Turkish state provide translators free of charge? What happens to non-Turks that get into trouble? Does the Turkish state spend millions on research into migration or immigration? Does the Turkish State set up organisations to deal with immigrants/migrants? Does Turkey have parliamentary groups to discuss what to do with migrants, how to integrate them, should we provide ESOL training (English for Speakers of Other Languages) free?
I am totaly in favour of migration / immigration to the UK, so long as those groups make efforts to integrate into our society and follow our rules etc, as would happen if we went to their countries,
You mention Kurds, but they are not even able to speak their own language in Turkey? If they come to the UK, and they do, they are allowed to speak Kurdish, run their own businesses too (mostly kebab shops! but hey we all like a good kebab after a night out on the booze!!!!!)
Ae is not being racist, she is stating facts pertinent to the UK.
i believe most officers at the concils are like you familyguy, who dont see farer than the tips of their noses.
i also understood the more you demand, the louder you shout you get what you want (almost like in TC, the more you shout you got upset, the more they make new rules).
WINGEING MIGRANTS GIVEN BIGGER HOUSES
SIX moaning asylum seekers have landed bigger council houses after winning a legal battle with taxpayers’ cash.
The Somalians were given free homes shortly after they arrived in Britain.
But they soon complained the accommodation was too small after their families arrived from abroad.
One refugee was in a two-bed flat, but a year later was joined here by his wife and six children.
Another was also joined by his wife and six children before she gave birth to another child.
They took their demands to court – using legal aid cash – after Birmingham council said it had no accommodation left.
But yesterday it was revealed they been moved into bigger houses after winning the action.
One got a five-bedroom mansion, four got four-bedroom homes and another received a three-bedroom house.
Birmingham councillor Malcolm Davis slammed the decision as “unbelievable”.
He said: “A two-bedroom flat for one person is over the top already when there is such a chronic shortage. It would appear that the fact they are asylum seekers has helped them qualify for legal aid.”
None of the asylum seekers is bel-ieved to be working and all were said to be living off welfare benefits.
Migrationwatch chief Sir Andrew Green said: “This may all be perfectly legal but it leaves the long-standing residents of Birmingham aghast at the manipulation of the system.”
The council plans to appeal against the ruling at the House of Lords next year.
You have NO idea of the difference in your two examples Tam. Yeah, you have a few resort areas where rich Brits bought villas? Again, I would ask, do they claim from your government for money to live on? Do they ask for free housing?
NO! They spend money in your local stores.
Can you imagine 300 language ever being spoken in Turkey? All those translators costs....................
In that case you probably haven´t been to Europe!! In the UK alone there are over 300 languages spoken, and France, Germany (2 million Turks!), Holland, Belguim Luxemburg, Denmark, Sweden..........................need I go on, may once have been predominately white christian, and probably are still considered that way, but just visit Leicester (in the UK) and white Christians are the minority!
Perhaps the only countries in the EU that could be considered white christian or orthodox are Poland, Lithuanian, Estonia, Latvia, Slovakia, Czech republic, Slovinia (might be white Muslims there) and Hungary (we call them the A8 countries) then there is Bulgaria and Romania (we call them the A2 countries) sort of whiteish, tanned I suppose. And no doubt there is a splattering of muslims,but not to the extent of orignal EU7.
Hahaha this is typical National Front/BNP propaganda!!!! And since when has a 5 bedroom house been called a "mansion"
Since they became HoMO and rent was extortionate! (HoMO = houses of multiple occupation, ask any groups of Poles or Lithuanians and they will understand!)
i believe most officers at the concils are like you familyguy, who dont see farer than the tips of their noses.
i also understood the more you demand, the louder you shout you get what you want (almost like in TC, the more you shout you got upset, the more they make new rules).
WINGEING MIGRANTS GIVEN BIGGER HOUSES
SIX moaning asylum seekers have landed bigger council houses after winning a legal battle with taxpayers’ cash.
The Somalians were given free homes shortly after they arrived in Britain.
But they soon complained the accommodation was too small after their families arrived from abroad.
One refugee was in a two-bed flat, but a year later was joined here by his wife and six children.
Another was also joined by his wife and six children before she gave birth to another child.
They took their demands to court – using legal aid cash – after Birmingham council said it had no accommodation left.
But yesterday it was revealed they been moved into bigger houses after winning the action.
One got a five-bedroom mansion, four got four-bedroom homes and another received a three-bedroom house.
Birmingham councillor Malcolm Davis slammed the decision as “unbelievable”.
He said: “A two-bedroom flat for one person is over the top already when there is such a chronic shortage. It would appear that the fact they are asylum seekers has helped them qualify for legal aid.”
None of the asylum seekers is bel-ieved to be working and all were said to be living off welfare benefits.
Migrationwatch chief Sir Andrew Green said: “This may all be perfectly legal but it leaves the long-standing residents of Birmingham aghast at the manipulation of the system.”
The council plans to appeal against the ruling at the House of Lords next year.
What was your source for this?
I have met Andrew Green and he and his Migration Watch group are tantamount to the BNP and would like to see the back of all migrants.
Ayslum seekers are not allowed to work, only under certain circumstances and then it is unpaid I believe. I think family guy will know the detail on this too. Take a look at the UKBA website and that give clear guidance on Alysum seekers and refugees.
So in that case, what does Britain do? Turn away ayslum seekers? If this government had got its act together then the asylum seekers could be dealt with much more quickly and either sent back to their home country or seleted in the UK.
The new Immigration Bill will or should be able to reduce the number of immigrants to the UK, except those coming from the EEA which are the bulk of our migrants, many coming from Poland. The numbers from outside the EEA are small fry.
Who are escaping war crimes, rape, horrific murder, children abducted to fight............ things that we could never imagine and we allow them to come to England to seek Asylum. They are locked up in prison like accomodation normally, until their asylum hearings, whcih are now supposed to be within 6 months. They are either then return to Somalia (probably to be killed ) or placed with in our society.
Many are killed on their journey, some at sea - the tuna net comes to mind. Some are rescued by the Italians but many are shipped to vairous parts of the EU, mostly for extortionate sums of money by unscrupulous captains or some other unknown individual.
Yes, I know exactly. My grandparents lived in one home for a few years in their last years. The place stank of urine and there were patients with dementia. It makes you want to cry, to see these people who really don´t know one day from the next.
My mother-in-law was in one for a couple of weeks after she had been in hospital, while the house was being altered for her, after she had a stroke. That one was better than the one my grandparents lived in but again there were patients with dementia; one old chap was talking about someone he was in the army with and kept thinking it was my husband.
But in the UK there is a difference between a nursing home and a residential home, which is where my grandparents and my mother-in-law were.
I think, I have been called here many many times with all sorts of names and I have considered all those insinuations as bonuses as well. I have been sweared at alot in some cases which I complained.
But I have never considered myself as a whiner or a crying baby.
If people keep going freely with their insinuations and expecting that they will not get a slap on their face, is a mistake..
If I can not bear it, i will take my marbles and say ´I am not playing´..
And here he is in his new attire. Perhaps just a ploy to cover up the space where his nose used to be
News reports don´t know when he converted, there are contradictions between 2Feb 2007 and recently. One report from November says "this week he converted and changed his name to Mikaeel"
askim sen yok konusmak ben neden ?? sen problem ???
my try is you dont talk to me why ? you have a problem .
( this is bellas friend not bella i m borrowing her compuer, i hope this is not a problem because i am not registered on to this site but she is still at work,)
A real amateur attempt is:
My love why don´t you talk to me? You have a problem?
Are you translating or attempting to write a sentance?
And we would have been none the wiser had you kept the secret!!! Now we will always wonder - Bella or Bellas´ friend?
can someone get me one of these snowglobes as a christmas gift? I promise I will convert into christianity immediately!
Goodness they have come on a bit since I was a child! My granny had a very basic one, probably from a second hand shop. Would that do Tami? from a second hand shop..............
I doubt you are the MOST detested member.......But I didn´t even know it was your birthday! NOBODY ON THIS SITE HAS EVER WISHED ME A HAPPY BIRTHDAY! So maybe I am the most detested member!
Shall we beat yilgun to the punch and start a list?
I think we could argue the toss on that one no one wished me happy birthday either, but then I did not tell anyone I knew it was Vineyards through a very popular medium.
If you start a list, can you make it alpahbetical please?
I especially love the song Ben Seni Sevdiðimi, but I have a question. When I downloaded it, it is written as Ben Seni Sevduðumi, and it is even sung like this, not just this but other words too. Somebody told me it is Black Sea music, so does that mean it is a variation of Turkish? I would love to know more about this if anyone can help.
It is a beautiful song; how much do you know about the singer Kazim Koyunku? There is a thread from long ago about him. I wont say now, but I will try and find the thread.
if only it was just the noise....... dreading next month doing some project work which will mean a 9-5 commute nose to armpit....
Uhmmm the armpits............... such delights!!!! Fortunately the lines I use are generally a bit quieter............. But if I have to use the Northern line urgggggggg!!
I meant that his current wife may have put a lot of pressure on him not to do it because she was scared it would be dangerous for him, he might possibly die and then HER children would be left without a father.
It says in the article that he consulted with his brothers, the uncles of this boy, and they advised him that he should not do it, and that he should consider his new family of young children and also his age ( 60 ). So I think some blame for this mans apparent selfishness should be apportioned to them.
What also struck me was the heartlessness (if this word is so readily being bandied about) of the potential father in law, who did not want his daughter to marry a man with kidney disease.
I have to confess that today I had my MP3 player on as loud as it would go........
But only to drown out the shouts of the obnoxious and uncontrolled little girl that was travelling in the same carriage as me.
Haha I dont blame you! I was just in an irritable mood............. and the previous day, there was this complete d*** who kept asking people if his was too loud!!!!! I think it looks rather funny what you see business men, complete with their obligatory pink tie and pale pink shirt, brief case and IPod, and they start to sort of "dance" to their Mozart in their seats
very black and white. If only life were like that! Life makes you take decisions you previously thought you wouldn´t, but everybody´s judgements and opinions are coloured by life´s experiences. Maybe we shouldn´t be so quick to judge??
I totally agree with you. It is personal and people should not be judged because of the decisions they make in life or when their life ends. That is one reason why the law in the UK did not change recently about donating organs etc. It was considered that there should be an "opt out" rather than and "opt in" when a person dies in circumstances whereby organs can be donated. The "opt out" would mean that doctors make the choice not the patients relatives. I would prefer to make my own decisions about my family and not some stranger.
I would not balk at the idea of organ or blood donation but I would never condem anyone who did not agree, as I have a very good friend who is a Jehovah Witness and I would no hold that against them even if I did not understand their logic.
I am a boring old man bod but instead of a Rover I drive an 11 year old Fiesta. I seem to recall you had a Land Rover at one point. I have driven a Ford car most of my adult life, 2 Escorts and 3 Fiestas. My first car was a pre WW2 Austin 8 (top speed 46mph downhill with a tail wind). I now have a bus pass and can travel anywhere in Scotland free.
My first car was a Morris Minor and it was nearly as old as me at time (17)!! The dip switch for the lights was on the floor and I too could make 50 mph on a good day I also want to confess that I drove that car absolutely drunk as a skunk, beside a river and fell out of it when I got home and was promptly sick I have never driven after drinking again.
It is, isn´t it.... ? I spoke with some nationals from the UAE who called the covering for women Burqa. Chador in Anglicized for çadýr, which means tent in Turkish.
Interestingly, the Roma call their traditional long skirts chador too. I have noticed the coverings of some groups of Muslim women becoming more covered and restricitive in the last 20 or so years. The women in the Gulf used to wear a much less massive niqab than they do now.
For what it´s worth, clothing has to be functional. If you can´t see, can´t walk without tripping on your cloths, it´s pretty useless. The Afghan burqa has a grill over the eyes. I tried one on and found it almost impossible to walk in. It gave me tunnel vision and that grill really hurt my eyes. In some other places they have a face covering with a head piece that has a drop down screen/veil that is somewhat sheer. It has two layers, so one can drop down both or only one, or none.
A photo .....here and here is an interesting photo of a woman in a burqa
Small world!!! Blood banking is such a unique niche, I don´t come across many people on the outside who work, or have worked at them.
HoHo! I worked at one too! But I was in the purchasing section and seconded to the blood bank at Addenbrookes in Cambridge, UK not Massetusets (or how ever it is spelt) hehe
On the subject of rail journeys, I have the pleasure of travelling to London regularly on the officially most crowded trains in the UK. And on yesterdays crowded train where numerous people coughing, yuk! and two people near me with the music so loud you could actually hear the music from their headphones (not the usual thump thump thump) ................
I know of a family whose younger son had a kidney transplant then the older son had kidney failure and that father donated one of his kidneys to that son. (In the UK)
I am an advocate of organ donation and am on the donation register. It is the wish of my family also that anything of any use can be used if we die in circumstances whereby this can happen.
LL I think you are referring to a niqab. Burkas are completely closed and you probably have only little vision with the net covering your eyes. It must be really unfomfortable.. only Afghan women use it as I´m aware. With a niqab you are not "detached" from the world as you can be in a burka because your eyes are uncovered.
So this is not a Burka? Full length to the floor completely covered apart from the eyes. I have been misled in that case
I the the "thing" that Afgan women wore was a Chadri, which is a different shape the photo here. And yes the whole thing covers from head to toe with a net for vision.
I am aware that some women in Saudia Arabia wear them and they did in Kuwait in the Kuwait war, as I had a friend who lived there for a time and she told me women were driving wearing these things.
In fact I have had a look on the internet and the photos for both garments are the same, so how do you tell difference?
Well, she has a very important point. It is so sickening to hear that some people think of you as a terrorist because you have a headscarf, so unacceptable... I do think that in today´s world, especially in the west, a burka might cause some uneasy feelings because of security issues and it should not be allowed especially in public places. But comparing all muslims to terrorists is disgusting.
I agree, but one of the London bombers escaped to Pakistan (I think) in a Burka, so of course it makes you supicous.
And today I sat on the tube in London next to a woman in a complete black Burka, with just her eyes showing, in fact she kept pulling the bit that goes over the nose and mouth down as it was distracting her view of her mobile phone.
Reallly? Wow! That´s great... she/he should tell us about the production process!
He was never an active member but thanks to good ol´ spam hehe............ anyway, I did get to see the preview website about 18 months, maybe two years ago when it was being developed. I am not sure if I could watch the whole film but the production looked fanastic.
Had a VW Golf for years, got a BMW M Sport now but wanted a Audi A3.............. my dream is to have some sort of convertable before I get too old or too grey
Quote from his very own mouth ...." i am a winning horse "
somebody get the vet ha ha
Oh dear, seems like some of the ladies have run out of money and gigilo number 1 is off to the South of France to try his luck! Somehow I smell a bit heap of BS
It got taken out of its box where it was horizontal, assembled onto a stand and erected to a vertical position........simple me thinks
It also has lights on it - it will hopefully get some balls tomorrow evening
You forget to tell us how big this erect christmas tree with lights on and impending balls is???? An impressive 6´ or a teeny weeny 2´6"?? (unless you live in a house where you have an open ceiling then you could have a very impressive 8´
Is the view outside that bad that you can actually enjoy the fog ???
A "tongue in cheek" comment................. the fog is still there even worse in London and the 4 lines on the underground has severe delays due to "a person under the train"
Deleted a sentance that I felt I should not have written.
I´m thinking should I stop wasting time playing in TC and go outside and enjoy that BEAUTIFUL sunshine!!
And you even have to think about that? I would be outside quicker that you could type "thinking" I am thinking, shall I go outside and enjoy the fog soon...............
Both are called a funeral - in one you are buried, in another you are cremated. Actually it is most common in the UK to be cremated. I have never actually been to a burial - I don´t think I like the idea of being buried in the ground and my loved ones having to take care of my grave
Yeah... burning is better - I will probably burn where I am going anyway!
(I think I will request that my ashes be scattered into Femme´s flatbreads and then serve them in the Lounge! )
Is it? I did not realise that, I have been to more burials than I have cremations............. and when you are cremated sometimes you can also have your ashes buried as opposed to being scattered. And recently our town has had to have new bigger ovens as people are getting so fat they would not fit into the normal size oven!!!
HeHe so stop eating the flatbreads now, before you need a bigger oven
Hehe Classic TC!!! One thread gets locked, then Roswitha comes along and "innocently" posts another thread about exactly the same topic, and the thread continues!
Maybe one day TC will be all sweets and roses and everyone will love each other and this "shoe fight" will end
An Iraqi reporter called visiting U.S. President George W. Bush a "dog" in Arabic on Sunday and threw his shoes at him during a news conference in Baghdad. Iraqi security officers and U.S. secret service agents leapt at the man and dragged him struggling and screaming out of the room where Bush was giving a news conference with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
No-one said it ´was not nice´ to post repeat threads Doudie - we just said it is repetitive and unoriginal.
HaHa!!!! Never a truer word spoken, now let me spend the next 3 hours counting how many Dudu threads have been repeated.............. me thinks it will take a lot longer than 3 hours
Today I am excited and pleased because I have found that the local Turkish supermarket sells Ãþcambe Çorbasý in packets.........whether or not I will be quite so pleased once I have tried it remains to be seen. I am not really a fan of packet soup but it has to be easier than making it myself in this case.......
And there was me, being all impressed thinking you had "cooked" the tripe soup yourself!!
Men, there is way you can get your presents wrapped for your wife - you never have to do it again. No................. not at Ann Summers, beautifully wrapped undies or expensive perfume from Debenhams.
There is a company in the UK who will "crap wrap" it for you. It is authentically wrapped by hamfisted men (fork lift drivers and warehouse men) so you wife will never now the truth!!!!!
I suspect that it is a bit of a generation thing.......a 47 year old would have grown up through the 1970´s and things were very different then - like sex was safe and motorcycles were dangerous! Perhaps Debbie just hasn´t changed her attitudes with the times.......
Well I grew up in the 70´s too and I am pretty liberal, but I would draw the line at condoning a teenage daughter having unprotected sex with a man (boy!) she had only just met, knowing how many women they get through in a holiday season and think that being "screened at college" was enough ................ so in a few months time the daughter is tested positive for HIV then what? All the other sexually transmitted diseases can be cured.
Mind you the mother was probably worse, also having unprotected sex with several men over a period of 5 years and 20 visits to Turkey costing £30,000!! I am clearly in the wrong job and should become a hotel cleaner
And yes, "Debbie" was certainly an appropriate name
I am failing to understand this........the pictures themselves were not particularly shocking - only a man with medical tubes around his face. The shock factor is ´knowing´ that he is about to die and that has nothing directly to do with the pictures.
Yes, that is exactly that, the fact that he was about to die, the look on his face etc ...............
I use LiveJournal to keep a blog and have done for a numer of years - but that let´s me control exactly who, if anyone, I share things.........FaceBook seems nothing more than people updating random snippets of what they are doing/feeling!
HaHa! I gather you like a nice bit of toad in the hole? ?
Motor neurone sufferer Craig Ewert, 59, from North Yorkshire, switches off his ventilator at the Dignitas clinic in Switzerland. Craig is shown turning off his ventilator, drinking a sedative and passing away peacefully during his assisted suicide.
The retired university professor, of Harrogate, took the decision to end his life as his illness rapidly paralysed his body, rather than enduring an agonising, lengthy death and becoming a living tomb .
Ok, each to their own, but why are the photos necessary? The information is surely enough. To be honest they make me feel rather sick knowing this man is about to die.
Hmmm its ok for us WOMEN to call them digusting mothers, but for some reason it bothers me when you do it..... I start to think, where are the fathers then?
Did you not catch the fact that both women were also married................. to Turkish Men (sorry............ boys!) one was 23, but both of them were separated, although Terry got back with hers.
These women are predators and their pray were the every willing Turkish boys. No wonder they are all so skinny with nicely toned stomachs
Disgusting, hard nosed, ignorant women having sex with disgusting, hard nosed opportunist men
They both deserve eachother
Well I have to agree with you on this one! I was disgusted (and I am a liberal thinker!) that those women were openly having sex with their children´s full knowledge................ the 11 year old boy will certainly grow up with "issues".
Dicussing having sex with her daughter (17), Debbie (47) did not seem to think that "catching" something might be a problem as her daughter gets herself "checked out" at college on a regular basis. I was horrified at this casual attitude.
Anything as long as you don´t ask my husband for advice! So far, throughout the seven years of marriage plus about two years before that I have become the unfortunate owner of:
- a thick flannel bathrobe in neon red (if you think he wanted me to keep warm in it then why did it end on the buttocks line?)
- jewellery I´ve never wear like armbands and weird rings
- numerous photo albums (yes, normally it´s a great idea) NEVER featuring my favourite painters or places but for example British coast from bird´s view perspective. As if flocks of sheep and green blue spots could be my hobby horse
Only 7 years? Just wait til you have been married for 32 years and see what sort of surprises you get a present is a surprise for me one that I have not chosen.................
Both in their 40´s and separated from their husbands, Terry and Debbie are no longer looking for love in their home town. With Terry´s 50th birthday imminent, the pair head off with their famlies to enjoy the delights of southern Turkey - primary among these being the young men they can meet in the region´s resorts.
Well, your post implied that you already have enough WOMEN to deal with!!!! You are such a smoothie!
Maybe he has, like I have enough men to deal with, husband, two sons, male cats etc etc etc............ hehe!
But beside the joking, hey surely prison is for punishment am I not right? I am not for all this mamby pambying around people who have wronged society. grrrrrr
This thread is odd, I can only see 4 posts the last one being an empty bo from Vinyard, but on the new in forums box to the right of the screen, there have been other posting, but I can´t see any of them.
Awww bless! Well it must get confusing for them sometimes
I was wondering who he was thinking about, the woman or her mother or both My Mum is 74 and never been to Turkey................. or any where on holiday with me for that matter.
Doctoring someone posts is a no-no. Probably also forbidden by 301.
BTW Thanks for that very nice PM in which you apologised for everything rude you ever said to me. But don´t be so harsh on yourself, to lash yourself as a punishment is a bit overdone.
An email I received a couple of days ago from a resort worker we made friends with a couple of years ago. From the content of he email he has obviously forgotten who we are.
Lately we had PKK, Turkish Jails (including Midnight Express), YouTube, Armenian "genocide"..... hmmm perhaps it is time for another go at headscarves?
Turkish resort boys and where they go in the winter?
I tried once, but it was so boring, just like reading about someones day to day activities. As for writing a blog about Turkish men, I really don´t see the point and as Ae says, there are far more interesting things in the world than writing about men.
I really can´t see who it would help apart from you perhaps........................ people have to learn by their own mistakes. I have never been a great one for listening to anyone, I have always preferred to make my own mind up and there must be plenty of women out there like me.
LL I have begun my list of new year resolutions and top of the list is to be less snarky and be more tolerant and understanding. Keep posted and I will fill you in with my full list.
I will repeat again, if British goverment put people like Gerry Adams into jail there would still be killing in N Ireland.
In that respect there is always someone to take their place. Just because he did not get put into jail does not mean he is not guilty. The IRA killed many innocent people and he was the leader of Sinn Fien, therefore in my book he was as guilty as the men who pulled the trigger. He could have stopped the killings with the click of his fingers.
The real hero of the cease fire was the late and incredible Mo Molem not Gerry Adams and co.
A convicted IRA bomber has said that the Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams was "my commanding officer" at the time of the bombing. (says) Dolours Price, who with her sister Marion was convicted of involvement in a four car-bomb attack on London on March 8, 1973, made the claim at a republican event in February, according to witnesses.- Irish Echo Newspaper Corp March 2001
Absolutely Lesluv! Gerry Adams was just clever not to get caught, he orchestrated many many deaths. He made sure his hands were not bloodied, others did the work for him and took the punishment.
Libralady, it is obvious that you haven`t watched the movie, so please stop commenting on it and pretending that you have watched it.
people`s keeping coming to Turkey does not prove that this movie is not racist
I have a copy and I have watched it a couple of times and I believe the prison portrayed in the film is now a hotel.
The actor who played the main part died of aids a few years ago. John Hurt played an excellent part. And I did not like the bit where the main characters´ cat was killed by the horrible prison warden, the one he killed at the end on the coat hooks.
OK I concede it is racist and it does not bear any relation to the number of people who have watched the film and still come to Turkey, because that are realistic enough to realise that it does not portray the everyday Turk accurately.
That is just one example from the movie. This film is full of these kinds of racist scenes. If you haven`t watched the movie or if you don`t understand what you watch, please don`t comment on it, cause you`re being funny.
how come its not racist if they make a movie in which all the Turks are portrayed as evil and all the non-Turks good?
It is one film. How many people have actually thought hhhmmmmm I wont go to Turkey because of "that film" and all Turks are like that. I don´t think so otherwise you would have no tourist industry.
I am not trying to be funny or offend you just pointing out reality.
Then why are you complaining? Please accept this is Turkish obsession , and do not complain, go and name your pig Atatürk, you dont need to public it here to provoke...
I can never understand why "pig" is used to insult as they are the most amazing creatures. I used to have a pig as a pet when I was young and it was just like a dog. It would follow me around the farm, just like a dog and when I called it, it came running to me. I would go and sit with this pig when there was a storm and it would sit beside me. It had the most inventive name "Piggy" I cried for ages when it had to go (you know where)
It´s a film and and old film at that!!! OK one phrase that could be considered racist. I am sure there are plenty of films that can be considered racist, discrimantory, insulting, fascist, etc etc, and plenty of racist and insulting things have been said in films about British or German, or French or Italian or Japan, or Australia bla bla ............. but people move on!
This Turkish obsession with Ataturk is tiresome and ridiculous. I am not commenting on Ataturk himself - he´s not my hero as he´s not from my history book but if somebody considers him wonderful - fine by me. If you want to build him a monument in your garden - go ahead. But if somebody mocks him or makes fun of him they should have the right to do that. There isn´t a universal untouchable so if I want to name my pet pig Ataturk, it´s not Turkish government´s business. Free people are free to joke and/or criticise everybody. Some praise Ali Aðça, some praise Ataturk, others George Bush. Unless you forbid laughing at every single person, you shouldn´t cast stones at those who despise yoru local heroes...
Well said! And plenty of people mock and insult our Queen but do we get upset? No we don´t.
I have watched the movie and it`s the most racist movie I have ever seen which could only be praised by a racist bigot who pretend to be a liberal like some people here, and I don`t know how the jails are in Turkey, but they are defintely not worse than the american prisons in Iraq and Guantanamo.
Why is it racist? It is a true story, allbeit exagerated and yes it offended the Turks because of the implication of the state of the jails, but it was a brilliant film, well acted. I never once thought of it as racist.
Does owning a copy of Midnight Express constitute an insult to Turkey? I own a copy so I better not tell anyone otherwise they might not let me visit anymore
Nothing could ever beat the awfulness of Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins!!! . Americans only know two British accents - Cockney and ´Posh´ (and I don´t mean Victoria Beckham ). It is more than likely though that Americans find Brit actors´ attempts at American accents pretty pathetic!
( I personally think Gwyneth Paltrow does ´British´ quite well though)
These workmen are installing bollards to stop nurses from parking onthe pavement outside theRoyalHospitalinBelfast.........
They are cleaning up at the end of the day.
How long do you think it will be before they realise that they can´t go home?
This is a real photograph...!
silly boys!!
Sadly that is not entirely true!!!! My husband who is a builder and was building an internal wall inside a barn. And they joke around alot (disguised as work of course!) and one of them said "how are we going to get the mixer out?" HaHa stop messing about, they all laughed and then realised they had built the wall with the mixer the wrong side.............. they had to knock a hole in the wall to get the mixer out!
It´s funny how Brits get all uptight when an American actor plays a British man/woman. Yet we quite happily watch them play all kinds of other roles/nationalities!
It was certainly not my favourite film, but it won 5 oscars, so I guess somebody liked it
Mel Gibson is an Australian playing a Scot with a Scots accent and from trailers I saw, he did not manage too well - which hence put me off watching the film!!! and there are not many American actors that can play a British role that well, because of the accents! Even Rene Zelwiger struggles............. but I loved Bridget Jones diary
Lovely view down to Bosphorous and a great ottomani cusine in the building itself..
Further down anadolu kavagi..http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/pb/1bbdd2/..fresh fish and raki..It is a beautiful fishing village..The best way to go there is with the daily bosphorous trips..
I think we all understand the "whys" and we know that those workers are poorly paid. However, we only have to glance at the translation forum to see that this is not always a nice mutual "transaction"!!!
If those women just wanted some fun, then fine. Unfortunately, many of the women are more vulnerable and they actually believe these men/boys love them and end up being conned out of money.
But this is a programme about women going to the Domincan Republic not Turkey!! These women knew exactly what they are getting themselves into. They were not the least bit vulnerable, just desperate.......... sadly
I went to Turkey in October. As a big fan of historical architecture, I reveled in the world famous Sultan Ahmed Mosque, the Yeni Cami (the New Mosque), and the Hagia Sophia. Topkapi Palace was amazing. Unfortunately, there was a lot of rain that day. We didn´t get to see everything. Supposedly, it would actually take several days to see everything at the palace. Being in Istanbul was like a dream. The people are so warm even though I was oftenly stared at. I suppose people of East Asian descent are a rarity. The food is so wonderful. I could not stop eating. Lamacun, pide, borek, iskender kebab, etc. It was a non-stop eating festival for us. My fiance often boasts about his first love being the Bosphorus. Although, I was jealous for a while I understood what he meant after taking the boat couple of times on it to reach the Asian side. It was gorgeous and so relaxing. (I wish crossing the Bosphorus was part of my daily commute.) Taksim Square is so awesome. They are so many places for shopping. I especially like the clothing at Koton. The quality is really nice. We also visited Bursa, the former capital of Turkey. On the way, I saw the country side. The center of Bursa was bustling with people. Bursa has great restaurants that make iskender kebab. There are tombs located at the top of a hill of great Ottoman Empire leaders. I hope to go again in the spring. Until then, I can only reminisce...If you´re fascinated with Turkish culture, just reading about it won´t do you any good. Ya gotta go there!
A nice place to be is in the Topkapi Palace gardens, sit at the little tea cafe and take in the view across the Golden Horn, the Marmara sea to your right and the view up the Bosphorus towards the first Bridge. Beautiful
Two visits to Istanbul and a little peice of my heart is there
Joanne, 54, has spent £5,000 in a year on holidays to see her 34-year-old resort entertainer boyfriend, Spaghetti, who admits to camera he has more than one girlfriend. Although the resort officially frowns upon its staff romancing tourists, they know love-struck women will keep returning, bumping up profits.
Companies using duduism to bump up profits.....sex sells...it seems
To be honest, I don´t blame the boys one bit! They earn about £20 a week and these "single" women, well past their sell by date are far wealthier than they will ever hope to be, that is why they go for the older woman and not the young slim nubile ones!
............ one comment by Spaghetti when his 54 yr old "girlfriend" was about to leave in a taxi, was "you must be rich to afford a taxi", next sentance "I´m hungry". In other words, do you have any money left?
The 67 yr old who had a 30 yr old boyfriend, would not have sex with him on the first holiday, or the second holiday, but then went back again and spent the week with him "24/7" as she said, warts and all!!
They (women) said, don´t judge us............ but sadly all I can see is a couple of women desparate for company, so they go the the Dominican to find that company.......... they would not find a 30 yr old in the UK who would be willing to sleep with a 67 yr old.
This woman has never worked and her family are also heading in that direction. This make me seeth!!!! (angry smilie) There is always an excuse............... how about get off your lazy ****
All I want is a cup of green tea (no smilies........... so sad face)! My sandwich did not go down well after looking at some of the pages above (again , sick face).
I´m just looking for students-private.That´s why I left a short message there.
regards.
Yes, the lessons that you can navigate to on the left hand side of the site are free (Learn Turkish), but you do that yourself.
But this section is for anyone wishing to enter into some private arrangement away from this site, then the person offering the tuition may well want to charge for that.
I am interested to know if the person in this pic made this soup....... if they did I think I will pass they appear to have a serious fungal thing going on with their nails.... I hope they washed their hands or you may find yourself being closed down by the health inspectors
Yeh, I noticed that Looks like something they drank in "I´m A Celebrity Get me out of here" I think they called "Penis Cocktail"
Oh good - its not just me then! Can´t read anyone´s posts although the All Forum Topics page does look the same to me. We´re going to have to wait till the US wakes up to get this fixed - only another couple of hours!
Happening with me too! Go to a profile to read "posts in forum" and the page opens and it is blank.
I made this thread ´sticky´. It´s a nice idea, just to lounge and also for members to have a drink whilst they ask for their translation that has been waiting for quite a while.
Sticky could be rather appropriate if things get out of hand and a few drinks get spilt............. who is going to do the cleaning?
What about contacting these to see if they do anything? I know it is UK based but maybe there is are international offices. I admit to not looking at the site in great detail. But at least there are some ideas.
What about Oxfam or Red Cross (modified: already mentioned above) as well? Perhaps worth contacting them to see if they do something. And what about the womens refuge that was written about on the forum some time back. Just some thoughts.
It´s great news for the impatient gentleman - women say foreplay is overrated
Poor men. All that time and effort wasted. A study has shown that foreplay adds little to a woman´s overall enjoyment of sex.
The main event itself is far more important, the researchers found.
Their findings contradict traditional bedroom etiquette, which dictates that men must take it slow.
Foreplay lasted for an average of 15.4 minutes and intercourse for 16.2, the Journal of Sexual Medicine reports.
Further scrutiny of the results, ... foreplay contributed little to a woman´s enjoyment of the encounter.
They added that the figure of 16.2 minutes for intercourse dwarfed the figure of seven minutes found in American studies, suggesting Europeans are better in the bedroom.
And a third study shows that a woman is most likely to have an affair in her early thirties.
That´s when her ´sexual unrestrictedness´ or sociosexuality peaks and she is most likely to be unfaithful to their partners. ...
OMG, I dont believe that years after years, all those efforts were for nothing!!
Anybody in her early thirties btw?
You certainly no how to make a "come back" hehe, and how come I never got asked in he survey - I think they must have asked the wrong women ? and I am also was in my early thirties and have been for several years
You can probably name ANY charity and you will discover it was formed because of ANGER that nothing else was being done.
It is too easy to assume something is being done by someone else.
I think anger is very productive
Can we agree to disagree? I don´t belive that anger solves anything and you believe that anger solves everything. I am speaking from my own experiences not assumptions.
I understand your sentiment, but also I have to disagree. It seems rather simplistic to say "what is the point in discussing things we can do nothing about" - discussion is very important and healthy - even if the views are negative.
I am a big supporter of Amnesty International, but I do not donate and then walk away happy that I have "done my bit" and that my glass is now half full, and I am sure A.I. do not do that too! Without anger and negativity, nothing would be achieved. These organisations are born from anger and a feeling of wanting to try and do more.
In this rather selfish "me" centered world that we have become, people have become desensitised to suffering. It is very important to get people angry! A good example is the RSPCA advertising campaign about 4 years ago. For years they had shown pictures of cute rescued animals. They suddenly changed their campaign and showed actual abused dead animals. It made the public very angry - many complained...... and their donations doubled.
Your statement "no one will achieve anything from being negative or angry" is actually wrong.
I can only speak from my experiences and I have found that being negative and angry has never solved a problem and only caused more.
Deli..... I was only being sarcastic... ! Didn´t expect anyone to translate it. I was trying to ´get noticed´ ! As, no one seemed to have noticed this topic...all attention seems to be genuinely helping those in need.
Your age range is half your age + 7 below or half your age + 7 above!
Therefore minimum of 29 and maximum of 73!!!
I would draw the line at 45 ................. so that blows the calculation out of the water but 29 uhmmmmm I could deal with that but if I apply the rules strictly it would be 33 and no I am not even going there
Goodness Yilgin!! You have an enormous selection to choose from, not sure what my favourite is but my favourite dance music is Latin and I will listen to most things (my ipod is testament to this) so long as it is not gangster rap! I will even listen to Leonard Cohen for a few minutes
Turkish Film Festival... perhaps the above may need translating?
And there was me impressed with your Turkish Yes I agree, translation would be helpful but not sure that anyone other than a Turk or someone with good Turkish would benefit from the festival that is.
Anyone fancy holiday in Benidorm?? They are trying to crack down on anti social behaviour that include having sex on the beach. and putting out towels early to reserve sunbeds!!! I can agree with the humans defacating in the sea and the litter but as for walking on the beach after midnight......... seems a bit extreme........... surely not that many people have sex on the beach???
"BENIDORM council is set to introduce new bylaws governing the use of its beaches.
Under the proposed new rules anyone caught using the beach between the hours of midnight and 07.00 will be fined 750 euros while placing an umbrella on the beach early in the morning in order to reserve a space for later in the day will see fines of 150 euros issued.
The raft of new measures also include a 120 euro fine for playing football or tennis in unauthorised areas and a massive 1,000 euro fine for swimming when the red flag is flying.
People who go to the toilet in the sea or on the beach will be fined 150 euros while those who try to sell goods will have to stump up 300 euros.
Taking glass objects onto the beach or breaking them will incur 750 euro fine and those that allow their animals onto the beach will get hit with a 250 euro punishment.
Normal fishing and fishing with a harpoon will generate fines of 750 and 1,100 euros respectively and the handing out of promotional literature will receive a 300 euro sanction.
Beaches councillor, Josefa Pèrez, said the measures were needed to reduce the amount of litter being left on the beaches and to halt the growing number of parties being held on the beaches."
Support Amnesty International -why don´t we as a collective group support the activities of Amnesty International?
Well done libralady
About time someone made a positive suggestion.
Count me in
Thanks! I have noticed that many people prefer to be negative rather than positive. The "my glass is half empty rather than my glass is half full" syndrome.
So what that we cannot get into the countries badly affected by this abuse? Little by little the barriers can be broken down, but no one will achieve anything by being negative or angry.
I am not sure how to being this, but if more and more of you sign up to the cause for a start. these organisations do have people in the right places.
Support Amnesty International - why don´t we as a collective group, support the activities of Amnesty International?
It is not a feminist issue, but a human rights issue. So come on friends in TC, male of female, let us do something collectively instead of arguing the finer points. We all agree it is an issue that should not exist in the 21st Centuary.
Then you missed Femme´s post in which she said that she will interfere when she hears something that might sound abusive - even when it brings her into trouble.
Yes, I did miss it................ So we are very similar in that respect - I did end up with a black eye once for interferring
i lost it against canli - my posts got deleted. and there are as many DV in the middle east as in the free world.
i lost it against queent - theres particularly only one religion that cannot be criticised. theres a suggestion to pay more attention to animals and plants. a very westernised arab.
i lost it against alameda - her english is better.
i lost it against vineyards - he wants me to shut up and go to a hospital.
i lost it against civilised cultured westerners - they are angels.
i lost it against catwoman - ...
there are no problems - women are free and happy, and they wish to be abused (they are psychos), and leave them alone, it is their tradition/culture/religion.
such topics are a pain and a stain. its so difficult to admit them and talk about openly. thats why we have to always try to change a subject. if we talk more about femme then we will succeed. lets all focus on femme and make a scapegoat out of her again and again.
lets talk about her manners, lets talk about her english lets talk about her form of expressing so that others wont notice what she shouts about.
you guys succeeded. my congrats.
Sorry we have moved on to plant abuse, and about to discuss the finer details of insect abuse.....................
So we all know about the abuse of women across the world, so what are we doing about it? I have not noticed any post about what you are doing or anyone else for that matter, except the small story I have about helping an abused friend. We can talk all you like, and read your agressive posts, but you do not come up with a solution, so lets hear what you have done. What would you propose is done about it? How would you tackle the governments? Lets put a plan together and take action.
Green Party Leader is first ethnic Turk to be elected as a major party political leader in Germany.
"Whether the Obama factor helped or not, the son of a Turkish immigrant – who describes himself as a secular Muslim not averse to the odd glass of vodka – won the leadership of the country´s Green Party this month, shattering a racial barrier that had held sway in post-war Germany for decades."
Whatever his ethnicity, this is a historical moment.
News Flash: The recently opened Shelter For Abused Plants (SFAP) has capacity problems. Only in the last three days more than hundred plants sought help and a safe place to stay. They were threatened to be left without water, no regular change of soil and the worst: cutting of their flowers! Because most of the plants were of male gender, there is also a problem in keeping the genders apart. Two floors of the shelter, initially meant for female plants, are now used for males. More to come....
I own up to being a house plant abuser I have the grand number of 3 house plants, that really should not be alive....... I always forget to water them, and I never talk to them, they are limp and suffering from plantession. I am not sure if they are male or female but I think they are suffering from gender recognition, they are certainly suffering from plantdismorphia............ Yes I am ashamed of myself.......... is there anywhere I can go for therapy?
OK, We will carry on the subject of putting your self at risk to help someone.
I must have missed something - carry on from where?
BTW that was a risky thing to do in this day and age.
Well there was a sort of tone in the previous message, and this is not the first time I have put myself in this sort of situation and it wont be the last. I am not one to walk on by.............
Thank goodness there are people like you who dont worry about causing offence where such things are concerned
(The rest of the offence you cause is inexcusable)
OK, We will carry on the subject of putting your self at risk to help someone. I did just that tonight, on the way home from the Gym........... a man lying on the footpath, his bike by his side, so I go to the nect junction and turn around. I pull up beside the man, and wind down my window, "what is wrong " I shout, " have you had an accident" he is holding his head with the most vacant look on his face, and then I notice the mobile phone in his hand..................... I suddenly realised he is not on this planet, he was so high on drugs I am sure he did now know which planet he was on either! At least I could drive on knowing that I had not left a man that could have been dying.................
I knew you would ask something like that! I actually physically helped a friend escape her abusive relationship from an alcoholic partner. That is all I am going to say.
I may be cynical but I do wonder what exactly these "awareness" campaigns actually achieve. We have nice pink ribbons for breast cancer awareness, red ones for AIDS awareness and now white ones for this.
I do wonder if the purpose is to make people feel better about themselves and to feel that wearing such a thing says something about them. It appeals to people´s vanity. Great for armchair activists.....
It is not all about wearing ribbons, I never bother with them, I just try and do something constructive, if it is only helping one woman escape an abusive life.
in our class his names omar, hes sooooo fuuny! Nad hes a huge trouble maker, all the teachers hate him, hes kicked out of all the sessions, he got suspended quite a few times, but we all loooove him!
Anyway, we were in the middle of class and everybody was sooo quite and then out of no where he just came out and siad " I luff shinese food!!!"
(loooooooooooooooooool!! get ity, i love chinese food???!!)
OMg it was hilarioussssssssssssssss the way he says it OMG!
everybody was laughing omg it was crazy, we always take advantages of situations like this, we dont stop laughing, so the session ends quickly and the yteachjer spends half of it shouting at us and quiting us
The whoooooooooooole school todat had this huge fun day and id sall these activities and stuff cuase of Thanksgiving!!!
But of course the british section nooooooooo
why miss? Why them???
well, the brits didnt have pilgrims etc etc, so no huge party for you! Go sit down and listen to your teacher!
As if we could concentrate with all the music and stuff!
(BTW the british section is only highschool, but you can get american education from kindergarten!! :@!!)
Ok, I am sitting down and listening to the Sterophonics - not the teachers !! So what are you saying you could not join in the Thanksgiving? That is for the Americans, the British, we dont have such trivial stuff! We just have Christmas and with the state of the economy, we will be cooking sparrows for dinner............... no Turkey
I wondered if anyone here was aware of a campaign by the TUC (Trade Unions Congress) in the UK and joining unions around the world to eradicate violence against women? The TUC marked the International Day of Eradication of Violence Against Women on Tuesday by joining the White Ribbon campaign.
The Unions belive that they play a key role in tackling violence against women, as they see the consequences on a daily basis, in the work place, as it becomes a refuge for the abused woman. I don´t think people realise that it is a worldwide problem, and seeps into all levels of society.
But I believe that campaigns like this will go some way to raising awareness. There is a link to the White Ribbon campaing, but it was not workng when I tried to access it earlier.
That´s the thing. People choose not to see such things because it´s easier to live in ignorance. How many of you would call the police if you suspected something was wrong with your neighbours. How many would react hearing a fight next door or seeing a parent shake or beat their child in the street?
I mean doctors, teachers etc etc Surely someone in authority would questions why the girls were have so many children with out a father so to speak, and what about all the abortions they had between them? This is what puzzles me. They could easily not be noticed by neighbours when they were moved around regularly, and of course in some places people don´t even know their neighbours let along notice what they are getting up to.
The whole situation is dreadfully sad and I hope these girls and their children can move on with their lives.
A father who made his two daughters pregnant 19 times during almost 30 years of repeated rape and physical abuse was given 25 life sentences last night, and will serve a minimum of 19-and-a-half-years in prison. The man, who cannot be named to protect the identity of his daughters, fathered nine children with them, two of whom died at birth. The other 10 pregnancies were miscarried or terminated.
He pleaded guilty last month to 25 counts of rape, dating from the early 1980s and continuing until this year, when the terrified women finally mustered the courage to seek help.
Jayne Ludlam, director of children´s and young people´s services at Sheffield city council, said social workers had become aware of the "harrowing" abuse in June, and that an independent review into the case had already been launched.
In a case with echoes of the Austrian man Josef Fritzl, who imprisoned his daughter in an underground dungeon for 24 years and fathered seven children with her, Sheffield crown court heard how the man, who is 56 and divorced, began abusing the sisters when they were between eight and 10, and that they were badly beaten to make them comply.
He "took pleasure" in assaulting the girls, the court had heard, and the violent attacks would stop only while the children were pregnant. "His younger daughter told of the frightening habit her father had of putting her head next to the flames of their gas fire and that when she struggled to get away on certain occasions she burnt her eyes," Nicholas Campbell QC, prosecuting, told the court. They were kept out of school when their injuries were visible, and the family moved repeatedly to avoid suspicion. The girls´ mother left home in the early 1990s; a brother also lived with them until his teens.
The court heard that in 1988 suspicions were raised at the victims´ school due to their injuries but these were blamed on bullying. On one occasion one of the women was asked by a doctor if her father was the father of her own children, which she flatly denied. They also called Childline, the court was told, and asked for a guarantee that their children would not be taken away, but hung up when this assurance could not be given.
Sentencing, Judge Alan Goldsack QC said: "The phrase ´it is difficult to imagine a worse case´ is much overused and rarely, if ever, true. But I can say that in nearly 40 years of dealing with criminal cases and 14 as a family judge the combination of aggravating circumstances here is the worst I have come across."
Ludlam said: "Due to the seriousness of this case an independent review has already been launched which will look into the circumstances surrounding the case and the contact the agencies had with the victims."
Pure evil, I still can´t believe what a silencer fear is
There are no words to decribe adequately what a monster this man is. How did this escape the attention of so many people?
Thank you LL. And of course thank you to everyone who voted for me too (this is starting to sound like the Oscars!! )
Actually, my speeeeach waaaaaass verrry difffffficult to geeeeet out innnn o ne go... ................ and you should see my dress It cost me a fortune and for what ................. ?????
I think you will have problems.............laptops naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? I think Vineyard would prefer a case of Bordeaux............... clue is in the name
What is so amusing here is that all of you who are decrying what you pretend to find so distasteful in the forums, are always right in the thick of it.
No one is forcing you to get involved and yet there you all are….alameda, LL, bydand, peacetrain….
Is someone forcing you all to make your snarky comments? Nope, it’s just that you are hypocrites who can’t take what you dish and then pretend to be wounded victims when you get called on the carpet for your fakeness.
Quite funny really.
LIkewise, is anyone asking you make your "Snarky" comments (must an American word). I for one have never pretended to be a wounded victim, and neither has our Scottish friend Bydand (who incidentally voted for Canli and not me and I love Scotland ) or Peacetrain and Alameda for that matter ............... funny, yes it is funny..................this whole sharade is funny!
When I read the posts of peacetrain I sense desperation. Like that of one of those sad little school girls who was never popular/pretty/fun.
One wanting so badly to be accepted by the “in” group - but shunned. So the desperation turns into loathing for anyone that is what she wants so badly to be and out of that hatred, she attacks all those that she perceives to be everything she is not.
She tries to hide her assaults with sarcasm and humor, thinking maybe no one will notice.......and most likely still hoping beyond hope that she will still be accepted.
The problem is that all she does is show herself for what she is…….someone who is bitter and angry.
Now your description could be anyone of several people And GG, are you never sarcastic in post?
Quite subdued............... after watching half an episode of "Survivors" I half wish I was dead too!!!! Not sure if I can stomach anymore.......... it is so morbid
I am not implying anything - you are making an assumption! I am enjoying myself here tonight infact I am not even paying that much attention to Strictly Come Dancing
Cor...................... that Tom Shepard, he is one hot piece of stuff! My attention is back on Strictly
Well don´t we all? But this implies you don´t want fun here to?
Anyway, thanks for sharing your social life with us
I am not implying anything - you are making an assumption! I am enjoying myself here tonight infact I am not even paying that much attention to Strictly Come Dancing
Well mostly I am just here to have fun with my friends. But whatever turns you on I suppose....
Uhmm when I want fun with my friends I go out to a club, or the pub, see a live band in the local spit and sawdust, or even sometimes for a meal................
i just can see some ways in the sea in that coordinates .. thnx for the informations about atlantis..
Yes you can, it does look like roads or something, but Cuba suffers from lots of hurricanes, so perhaps a village was flooded and is now under the sea. I bet a great place for scuba diving
The clear starry sky tonight (tonight being 4:00pm   and the magnificent sunset we have just had............... now the temperature has dropped to freezing and we expect snow tonight
That is in Cuba, so would the Lost City of Atlantis be in Cuba? It certainly looks very odd. I thought the Lost City was a fable, but if true most likely to be somewhere in Greece, Crete perhaps. But does anyone really know what they are looking for if it is a myth.
Actually, whilst writing this I found this so supposedly it is in the Caymen Islands, not that far from Cuba.
When I flew with BA in Aug 2006, the flight to Ankara was a stop over on the way to Damascus and likewise for the return, and on the way home, we were denied boarding because the flight was over booked. Most of the passengers on the flight were from Syria, so it seems strange that this route has stopped. Anyway, I have emailed Turkish Airlines as I prefer them. See what they say.
I have been looking at flights from Heathrow to Ankara recently for a trip I will be making in August. But it appears there are no direct flights, but now you have to fly to Istanbul and take an internal flight. Anyone know why? I can only assume that it is a safety issue, as the Ankara flight was a stop over on the way to Damascus in Syria.
A coach is a posh bus! Coaches are not used for a normal bus service but for longer distance travel. One with toilet probably and doors at the front and the middle and very comfortable seats. Normally there are plenty of coaches at the airport waiting to take tourists to their destinations.
Apologies Libralady..just checked this now. Did you go?
Anybody go?
It was absolutely amazing! It will be broadcast on BBC Radio 3 on 15th December, need to check time.
I was not able to, I was in London but the conference I was at finished later, so I would have missed most of it anyway. I will wait to hear it on Radio 3.
Just as I expected, the ones I thought would jump on me did, with the exception of one who has not yet posted against it. When the boot is on the other foot comes to mind.............................
Tonight is birthday meal time - we are having Japanese
However, we nearly did something rather embarrassing. I showed the menu to Les (my gf) to make sure it was suitable for those afflicted with vegitarianism and it was. However I didn´t realise that there are two Japanese restraunts in Manchester and I showed her the menu for the one in Castlefield not the one in ChinaTown.......
So we very nearly booked a table for the one in Castlefiend and then turned up at the one in Chinatown - that would not have been a good plan at all. But fortunately we realised before ringing up to book.
I would not normally comment on this, but as you have lectured this forum on "respectfulness",I find your laughing at something I feel very strongly about offensive. I am sure someone as "respectful" as you would never say the same about muslims being "afflicted with not eating pork". I am not against people eating meat, but I will refuse to eat it until the way we farm animals changes. If that causes inconvenience at your dinner parties, so be it.
"Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things,
Having read the above posts, it all boils down to "respect for other people" regardless of their nationality or religous beliefs, and personalities.
Everyone who uses this site should consider the person they are responding to in a thread. It is easy to make judgement, will this offend or not.
Is it right to condem someone for being sensitive, or appearing sensitive just because they don´t "get the joke" and then attack them further for "not understanding the western sense of humour". Put the boot on the other foot and sometime the "unsensitive" ones don´t get the joke either.
As I have said before, we all have differing opinions, does this make one person correct and the other person wrong? If we don´t agree it is right to call someone and ignorant uneducated loser?
BEAMING as he cut the wedding cake with his bride, Osman Kose looked every inch the perfect husband.
But despite declaring his undying love for Patricia Bailey-Bosson, there was one detail she says the Turkish immigrant didn’t disclose to her — that he had no legal right to stay in Britain.
Devoted Patricia’s subsequent fight to keep him here put her £30,000 in debt.
When a man is forced to delete his posts...it takes a great amount of pride away. I hope thehandsom can recover and come back to us soon. I already miss him.. don´t get jealous lis....
Actually I think this comment is rather patronising, and I think thehandsom has a strong enough character not to be too upset about a post deletion - it was his decision to delete the rest. I would be seriously suprised if his pride had been dented one little bit. It is more likely that he has moved on when the rest of you are dragging the issue on and on to the nth degree.
Who ARE these people ? And, even more scary, how do you know what they are all doing? PS Do you claim to have a sense of humour?
Pm´s, it is all in the PM´s................. and of course we monitor all activity, didn´t you know? Anyway, I have ironing to do, and that is marginly more exciting that posting diatribe on here
Yes, people are reading recipes and learning inane poetry, reading essays, looking up lists of dead actresses, different breeds of dogs, reading silly translation requests, and discussing if Michael Jackson will go on tour ...................................except for a few who claim to be the only ones with a sense of humour
Stupidity! Anyway, how long can anyone go on about something before it gets incredibly tiresome and people start reading recipes and lists of actresses instead?
God you lot sound desperate, he is away for one day - just because he decided to delete some posts does not mean he will not be back, perhaps just needs to re-charge his batteries.............
its amazing how often you expose your own ignorance.
in iran they have religous system of justice where an imam or bunch imams issue the vedict and the mob (mass idiots) goes and kills the so "criminals" by hanging or stoning or even mutulating. so everything is carried out according to the system and "laws".
in this case, there was no a procedure, but suspicions and the mass went out to carry out their own street justice.
more and more you prove how heartless you are. you didnt comment on how barbaric it was, but showed your concern about two very alike incidents and how the article´s title doesnt fit your ignorance.
Thank you for your kind comments, but you have no idea how I feel about this therefore you will remain ignorant.
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Thanks for this Waseem - I will be checking to see if I am in London one of those days. Is this something you are involved in or have you just found out and posted it for us?
This is a dreadful story, but the title leads me to believe I am going to read about the lynching (Hanging) of several people at a given time, similar to Iran with homosexuals. This headline gives this story a much more sensationalistic begining.
This is not a lynching but a mob attack, so why have they called it a mass lynching?
Lawyers should never ask a Mississippi grandma a question if they aren´t prepared for the answer.In a trial, a Southern small-town prosecuting attorney called his first witness, a grandmotherly, elderly woman to the stand. He approached her and asked, ´Mrs. Jones, do you know me?´ She responded, ´Why, yes, I do know you, Mr. Williams. I´ve known you since you were a boy, and frankly, you´ve been a big disappointment to me. You lie, you cheat on your wife, and you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs. You think you´re a big shot when you haven´t the brains to realize you´ll never amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher. Yes, I know you.´
The lawyer was stunned. Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, ´Mrs. Jones, do you know the defense attorney?´ She again replied, ´Why yes, I do. I´ve known Mr. Bradley since he was a youngster, too. He´s lazy, bigoted, and he has a drinking problem. He can´t build a normal relationship with anyone, and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire state. Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women. One of them was your wife. Yes, I know him.´
The defense attorney nearly died.
The judge asked both counselors to approach the bench and, in a very quiet voice, said, ´If either of you idiots asks her if she knows me, I´ll send you both to the electric chair.´
I detest racism and I witnessed it first hand in America to such an extent I was completely shocked. There is not just racism against blacks, Hispanics, etc etc but against white trailor trash as they are called. I was shocked to the core. The one reason that I will never go to America again.
your first post showed that he was bullied. your second post tells us hes a brilliant boy with an extra super sense of humour (not stupid as you suggest).
you decide which one is true.
Doudi, just so that you know, Femm has a strange, warped sense of humour which only a very few can understand, cos mostly she sounds like she has a big chip on her shoulder .
China is one country that will and is facing this problem, due to the one child rule. The population is living longer (in the news today) economy is growing, birth rate is falling. The declining younger generation are therefore leaving an aging population struggling to look after themselves.
I am not advocating procreation explosion, but a little affore thought is needed by governments around the world in the developed and developing countries.
Here in the UK, people are living much longer and are much healthier and active, and our birth rate has fallen. so we face a similar problem. How to look after the retired.
i think the owner of this message is joking... or is taught smth odd!!
Maybe "animal" comes to me sweet in English but in Turkish it is a mean curse!!
whoopss!!!
If you call someone an animal in that context (in the Western English speaking world), she is referring to his prowess between the sheets Certainly not a curse
So the guy´s saying that theyre tired and will stop going after the EU and that the EU is the one thats supposed to be going after them??
Because they cant do anything without Turkey?
And that part about the middle esat, why wont any of the middle east problems be solved without Turkey?
Smbdy plz explain what this guy is saying!! Its sooo confusing!
In my view he means that Turkey will not join if the cost is too great. The cost could be financial or it could be that they have to make many changes to the country which would be a cost to both the people and again financial. To become a full member, Turkey has to achieve many things, and perhaps Vinyard has more idea what this is than I do.
Countries can be part members or full members. Some countries like Romania and Bulgaria were part members and there are some restrictions on them (from the UK anyway) and these will be lifted next year. Croatia is joining in 2010 but they will not have full membership for a while later.
It is quite a complex system so I hope this little bit helps you.
Not sure why Turkey would want to belong to an EU that is in recession! But anyway, there is a lot that Turkey has to do to become accepted. Croatia is due to join in 2010, and I think the EU are begining to wonder if the EU enlargement programme is becoming to burdensome.
I have never been sure how Turkey would benefit from being a member being probably one of the most self sufficient countries, a strong part of NATO etc. Once the EU legislation starts to bite I think Turkey would find it difficult to comply due to the diversity of the country.
I agree with you Vineyards, and that is why I can forgive physical adultery more than emotional. If your partner falls in love with someone else, what is the point in continuing?
Well I agree with that - too many unhappy relationships just carry on.
But this is a very interesting debate, really about how people perceive different relationships. And Vinyards, what makes you think it might only be men that watch women and not women who watch men and have certain desires? It is called fantasy and we can all fantasise can we not? But I do have to get to the gym all those well toned bodies
You came to me this morning And you handled me like meat. You´d have to live alone to know How good that feels, how sweet. My mirror twin, my next of kin, I´d know you in my sleep. And who but you would take me in A thousand kisses deep?
I loved you when you opened Like a lily to the heat. I´m just another snowman Standing in the rain and sleet, Who loved you with his frozen love His second-hand physique - With all he is, and all he was
A thousand kisses deep.
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i´m good at love i´m good at hate it´s inbetween i freeze Been working out-but it´s to late it´s been to late for years but you look fine you really do the pride of Boogie street Somebody must have died for you a thousand kisses deep
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Closing Time
I loved you for your beauty But that doesn’t make a fool of me You were in it for your beauty too I loved you for your body There’s a voice that sounds like God to me Declaring that your body’s really you
I loved you when our love was blessed And I love you now there’s nothing left But sorrow and a sense of overtime And I miss you since the place got wrecked By the winds of change and the weeds of sex Looks like freedom but it feels like death It something in betwen, I guess It’s closing time
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I was in O2 tonight..and he was perfect..
Not sure I would buy his CD but I must admit his lyrics are wonderful................
Well actually I disagree with you on this one LL. I could forgive an affair if it was just sexual attraction, but the thought of my partner getting very close to someone on MSN, thinking about them all the time, sending SMS etc., is actually worse
BTW for a mod, you made a right mess-up of your "quotes"
Maybe I am a tad on the liberal side (I think Catwoman elluded to that in one thread ) but I really don´t see it as such a problem. A bigger problem for me would be jealous and possessiveness........... than a straying from the path of monogomy
hello everyone! im travelling to turkey on the 30th of this month. is there anyone here who can give some useful tips? im in the chatroom. thanks.
I have travelled alone many times (not to Turkey) but to China and Hong Kong, and some European countries and my advice would be the same where ever you are going.
1) Always know where you are going before hand i.e study maps
2) Never look as though you are lost, you will look vulnerable
3) I never asked directions, I would rather walk twice as far than ask
4) Make sure your money and passport are safe - a money bag that you wear against your body
5) Look purposeful
6) Never look in a guide book - as I said, do that before you leave your hotel
7) Be careful what you eat and drink, always keep an eye on your glass, and I would avoid alcohol in some areas of Turkey
8) Be cautious about who you make friends with, don´t give them you real name or telephone number etc
I know some of these things sound a bit obvious but it is easy to fall into the trap.
I hope you have a great time, there are some wonderful places to visit in Turkey which are not the obvious ones. Hopefully you will get to see the Black Sea coast - it is beautiful and the people are very friendly and generous.
Well actually I disagree with you on this one LL. I could forgive an affair if it was just sexual attraction, but the thought of my partner getting very close to someone on MSN, thinking about them all the time, sending SMS etc., is actually worse
BTW for a mod, you made a right mess-up of your "quotes"
I know, I could not get the content out of the boxes!
Mr Pollard, 40, admitted he had been having an online affair with a woman from America, and the pair´s characters are now engaged in Second Life.
Agreed....if it was just the game but he was having an affair with a real person albeit it an online affair. I think that was what his wife was ticked off about!
My interpretation of an affair would be to have sex with someone in real life on a regular basis other than your regular partner - so perhaps in that case we are all guilty of having online affairs. How many people (men) do you chat to on your MSN??? Would you call that having an affair? Not in my book
And what a handsome couple they made.....................................
The romance was virtual. But the behaviour of David Pollard´s character in an online game has cost him his real marriage!!
As divorce cases go, ... a woman catches her husband having sex with a prostitute, forgives him, but finally throws in the towel after discovering he has been unfaithful again. Yet absolutely none of it happened in real life.
Amy Taylor is divorcing David Pollard, .. on the grounds of "unreasonable behaviour" after she discovered his character in the online community game Second Life had been having an affair.
It was the second time ....l. Before they were married, she had once awoken from an afternoon nap to discover him sitting at his computer watching his online character – whom he had named Dave Barmy – having sex with an on-screen call girl.
She said: "I went mad – I was so hurt. I just couldn´t believe what he´d done. I looked at the computer screen and could see his character having sex with a female character. It´s cheating as far as I´m concerned."
.. But in April this year, she caught his character in flagrante for a second time. "I caught him cuddling a woman on a sofa in the game. It looked really affectionate," she said...
The day after discovering his online affair, Ms Taylor filed for divorce,..
Mr Pollard, 40, admitted he had been having an online affair with a woman from America, and the pair´s characters are now engaged in Second Life.
..but then Amy found out about it and went mad, and said ´how could you do this, you bastard?´
Marriage is just a contract to legally bind two people.
Just like any other contract (business for example) it is useful in case of dispute. Imagine people doing business noawadays and dont sign contracts! they will kill each other in case of dispute
That´s from the administrative point of view, now as to the ceremony itself, I find it is lots of fun. We get to eat great food, dance and share our joy with loved ones.
I just love marriages
Ist part - one thing to get people running in the opposite direction and divorce is another legally unbinding contract hehehe
2nd part - always like a good party
The bit missing - the key criteria that the two parties love each other
I think that marriage is not really necessary these days! What´s the point of it... other then to please the parents?
Quoting bod
There are financial and security reasons as well as pleasing the parents........
But I tend to agree - mostly marriage is not necessary.
I´ve been there, done that and will never go there again without very good reason.
I am of the same opinion to both of the above, although I have been married for many years, I would not get married a second time, and in my day, it was always very much to please the parents. Living together was not really an option then.
okay, the whole class had chemistry office hours after school(in school this time) but that day was a half day so everybody waited 2 hours until Dr.Saad came ok? anyway we went to walk a little around the school(which isnt allowed! We sneaked ) and we have this boy yeah/ I swear hes hilarious! Its like hes put of his mind half the time! I think he takes drugs I swear to god hes stupid! He does the stupidest things ever!!!! Just talk to him for a while and you´ll know. But u get used to it. Anyway we were walking aND THEre Were THESE 2 POLES. WITH A CHAIN IN THE MIODDLE. AND HES JUST WALKING AND HE TRIPS OVER THEM!and he spins like twice loooooooooooool!! U shouldve seen it it was hilarious!!!! And then He just layed on the floor! And Sheref posed and took a pic next to him OMG it was comedy!!
You have reminded me of what it is like to be 15 and how stupid the boys are/were.............. all gawky and uncoordinated and desperate to impress the girls I remember when one of these gawky creatures set fire the to science lecture theatre and the same one passing out when we had to disect the frogs in biology!!!!
One of my favourites, with Dustin Hoffman, my absolute favourite, after Steve McQueen. Oooops am I showing my age???????? And brilliant sound track............
No idea - but I don´t suppose you spent the whole day walking through St Pancras did you? I doubt they spent all day there.
Hahaha! It is actually quite a beautiful place................ and some nice shops................. I suppose it was about 9:45 this morning............. but the photos are taken upstairs where no one would go, unless you are going to the champagne bar and that is out of my price range. Cup of tea in Starbucks is about my limit
The attempt to break the "the largest gathering of people wearing underpants/knickers in one place" Guinnes record attracted more than 150 people at St. Pancras station, London..
yeah yeah..they have never been in the army..quite a pathetic attempt!!
here are some pics anyway:
I walked through St Pancras twice yesterday and never noticed this bunch! I see really they are out of the way, beyond the champange bar.
Two men have been found guilty of causing the death of a 17-month-old boy in Haringey in north London.
Jason Owen, 36, from Bromley, and a 32-year-old had denied killing the child in August 2007. He suffered a series of injuries, including a broken back.
The boy´s mother had pleaded guilty to causing the death of the boy, who was seen about 60 times by social workers, doctors and welfare and family groups.
Two social workers and a lawyer have been given warnings over the case.
The rest of the article with a picture of the dead baby is not for the faint hearted...
What is even more tragic is that the police investigation was hindered by the Social Services and red tape, not allowing essential paperwork being provided. You will notice that the main perpertrator was the sadistic, pain loving boyfriend 32 and not Owen 36. Not that it excuses anthing. None of this three should ever be allowed to see daylight again, after having some of the injuries inflicked on them first.
For anyone in the UK interested this will be a very interesting exhibition. I need to find some time to visit it.
A new exhibition called‘Byzantium’ is due to open this Saturday (25 October) at the Royal Academy of Arts in Piccadilly in London and is the first major art exhibition of the Byzantine Empire in 50 years.
This exhibition features 1,000 years of history with 10 galleries filled with artefacts from around the world.
The exhibition is supported by J. F. Costopoulos Foundation, A.G. Leventis Foundation and the Stavros Niarchos Foundation, and has objects borrowed from museums of countries such as USA, Russia, Ukraine and countries throughout Europe.
The exhibition follows a chronological order covering a wide variety of Byzantium art and displays creative art of Constantinople between 330 AD and the fall of the city to the Ottoman Turks in 1453.
The exhibition is open to the public from this Saturday until Sunday 22 March 2009. Tickets are available daily at the gallery with admissions varying from £12 to £3.
There is also a number of lectures and exhibition related events due to be held.
I am announcing November 12th, the TC Mods and Admins Appreciation Day! Thanks Aenigma for the idea.
Stop by and send your favorite mod a thank you pm.
Catwoman why did you do this????? I have been inundated with PM´s................. it will take me days to read them and I so busy with work...................
This is what we do for our children in need. We raise money generously and these funds do not just go to children in the UK but other parts of the world too.
I would just like to point out that the children shown in the film were not orphans but had been placed in the orphanges by their parents.
Also, this is a Turkish site, therefore items about Turkey get posted here. We have plenty of undercover investigations in the UK and sometimes it gets things done, sometimes it does not. It is no good ignoring what is happening. It does not paint a bad light on Turkey its self but on the government of Turkey.
It is also nice to see some Turkish response, even with head burried in the sand approach being taken.
I find this quite amusing.............. but in my opinion, the image that is portrayed by members here are not their real selves, they are entirely different people and would never act in realife the way they act on here - except me
or, they are their real selves but in real life they act entirely differently!
I don´t think there is anything formal in place to assist families. I think that some of these families do not have the means for caring for children with disabilities. Perhaps they are entrusting their children to these agencies hoping that they will be better off. This may be a surprise to the families as well, which only breaks my heart more. I am not sure how Turkish people feel about disabled people in general, but I think that families are left on their own if they have a disabled child. It´s just all very sad.
I think you are probably right Elizabeth.
That was sort of broached in the film, the attitudes, but that is exactly my point in referring to the family whose children walked on all fours, and these were well into their adult life - they were accepted by the wider social group and not made outcast.
Watching this reminded of the documentary made a couple of years ago, about a family who walked on al fours, living somewhere in the South East of Turkey, close to the Syrian border.
What strikes me as so odd, the children in the orphanages, not necessarily orphans but more likely to have been abandonned by their parents because of their disability or handicap. Yet the family whose children walked on all fours, were completely accepted by the villagers.
All 19 children (yes they had 19 children and if I remember correctly the husband and wife were related quite closely) initially walked on all fours, but eventually only 5 remained that way, basically because they could not balance themselves on two feet.
The children and adolescents in the film last week, suffered anything from Aspergers Syndrome and autism to Downs and other more severe physical handicaps.
I doubt that the televisation of this will achieve very much until the attitudes of both the wider society and parents change. All the authorities can do is improve the conditions and the staff training and care.
A question I do have, what sort of care system is in place for those parents who do care for their disabled or handicapped child? This did not appear to be covered in the programme.
The only truth is that you will never change the fact that
you can talk on anything with pages and pages lol
Probably the most sensible post of the whole thread
But my last word on the subject, is that if you regulation and legislate strongly then you will only drive it underground with far worse consquences. I still believe their should be controls and systems in place to monitor and protect. Those that work outside this, then regulation that already exists should be able to deal with it.
There were always moral guards for the literature and there will always be I guess..
But labeling or thinking that can yucel is ´swearing only poet´ is basic form of stupidness as far as poetry is concerned and quite rude to poetry itself.
I will also add what he said about his swearings when he was asked why he swore too much :
"swearing is the sewage in the mouth of bourgeois..but it is a flower in working class"
Anyway..let me try to explain what that poem makes me think:
I put my clean shirt on after the training Privates are washing their feet at the fountain You were like such a fresh place When going to Istanbul from Tuzla What a wonderful thing to call the naked in mufti And seeing the blue snuggling to the shores Through the day-open plain trees You were like such a small fragment of sea.
I am sure most of turkish men who have been in the army will know how you wash your feet there as a group early in the morning and if it is winter how cold you feel..
He was in the army in Tuzla (anatolian side of istanbul) I presume. And he was having his weekend holiday and traveling to Istanbul on a minibus.
And during your journey when you look through the windows, you see the sea between the trees..
And he was likening that view of the sea to his wife. or he was thinking of her at the time..
Red peppers at the bay of school windows And arnavutkoy with its refugee sun You were like such a saturday Girls combing their hair on their landings That is the reason for the sparks on the railway tracks While turning the corners, And the scents of their periods under their aprons, Like starting new lives You were the crimson tram departing from my adolescence
I think they came to arnavutkoy (a beautiful place on the europian side of istanbul with lovely houses. after Ortakoy towards Rumeli Hisari)
And being in arnavutkoy, early in the morning, on a saturday, for a man in the army is a huge pleasure and enormously wonderful thing.
And possibly he was horny at the time a lil bit as well, as he was looking at the girls and thinking about reproduction etc.
But his mind is always with his wife..
A cafe for early starters It was after the daybreak but I did not say good morning You were like such a well-lighted place I did not know there was a bakery here I kneeled on the pavement and looked through the low window, ooh Workers, fire, crescent rolls And the scent of fresh bread like a sword.. And we demolished the loneliness
I love this part..
have you ever been on the Bosphorous early in the morning for breakfast? I love it, love it, love it.
I had many early breakfasts in Istinye, Emirgan, Hisar and Ortakoy..
The smell of fresh pastry while inhaling the air from the bosphorous..phew!! (it is still in my mind several years ago, i dropped a person to the airport at midnight and I decided to see the daybreak in the bosphorous then had a breakfast in Emirgan)
Again the daybreak is associated with Guler..And demolishing the loneliness with the scent of fresh bread is ´just sharing the life and the beauty of the moment´ with his wife..
If life was a wedding, you were the bride there I undressed you, Güler*, I have put the world on.
I must say, I like the second line here...
possibly they have made love..(well..since he was doing the army duty and he was with Guler..and..I mean of course..why not?)
And that is how he is feeling after their love making..he thinks that ´he HAS the world´. I mean their love making made him feel like that..(I think it is lovely to think the way thought there)
And..He would not say ´canim cicim you were perfect this time´ would he?
Because he is a poet; He is Can Yucel.
Thanks for the explanation I understood this poem far more than I realised! And I do think you have to have experienced this aspect of life to appreciate it.
I will reply, whether you will or not I don´t care. You seem to be only able of dramatising. Several members said they are, like me, against forced prostitution but they don´t condemn the women who have chosen this profession. They also don´t see it all as ´slavery´ or ´male domination´. You do. You can only see the traumatised stories but not, like Lesluv did, the uni-stories - and these stories are less rare then you might think. Everytime whenever it comes to the position of women, it is always in your view caused by male dominance. Women are ´internalizing male views´ and therefor always the victim of the patriarchal system. Yes, sometimes they are, but sometimes not. You don´t see (want to?) that some prostitutes are very, very strong women who defenitely can look after themselves, who don´t have or need a pimp. Those women want that job, they are aware of dangers (therefor they want a union and legalising), but surely THEY are in charge in the negotiation between them and their johns. You sound to me like the evangelising priest who is talking about hell and doom to save souls. I doubt if you ever have spoken to a prostitute in real life or if this is only ´wisdom´ out of books.
Trudy, I fully agree with your post and that is why I mentioned the book "Call Me Elizabeth" the tru story (perhaps a little embelished) about a high class prostitute.
There are two facets to female prostitution as I see it,
1) forced sex slaves which I abhore
2) those who choice the profession, manage it and control it
Cat, you are very dramtic and only see the negative side, male dominated and all that, but this is not always the case. Prostitution has been around for thousands of years and will no doubt go on, despite anything anyone tries to do about it. It is taking peoples freedom of choice away.
One thing Vinyards mentioned about the males ability to perform with the prostitute, that is one thing that was repeated in the book above, most of the men were old, drunk, impotent or wanted buns thrown at their ****s. No physical activity actually took place.
It is an interesting debate and interesting to see peoples views including the more radical ones. But as far as I am concerned some of these women actually provide a very important service and are more than happy and willing to do so. Surely it is far better to ensure that there are controls and support systems in place for those women who work at the more riskier end than trying to ban it altogether.
Of course it´s not the women who should be condemned here, they are just like sweatshot workers who find themselves in the system that oppresses and sells women. It is the system that has to be changed, and that is guilty for this. It´s not the women who are often forced and fooled into this kind of ´job´ who are to be blamed here. Selling human sexuality is quite unexcusable in the 21st century in a developed country. Of course it´s unacceptable anywhere, anytime.
The fact taht some women choose or even enjoy it is not an argument at all. It doesn´t change what prostitution is and what it means in our patriarchal society, male dominated power structure and misogynistic ideology. It does not change the fact that prostitution in the world is a result of women´s lower status, poverty, sexual abuse, women not being empowered in the society, at homes and not having full control over hteir own bodies, and women being taught that sexual exploitation of women´s bodies is something women should internalize as their natural role. Prostitution is not an individual liberty issue.
I do agee with some of what you are saying but how do you view male prostitution? Male on male and then the male escort for the affluent female? There are many facets to prostitution and not always degrading.
We are having a discussion about a poem and all I am saying you need to have experience certains aspects of life before you can understand where the poet is coming from. But I still find the poem rather strange. So Doudi dont get upset.
I actually agree with legalising prostitution, if it is controlled properly. One thing you have to remember many women chose to do this, (would not be for me I must admit) but I do not condem women who chose this route. And I don´t think prostitution is all about men, but in many case about women, and often they control the situation.
Perhaps you should all read the book "Call me Elizabeth" and then you get the picture.
omg are you kidding? im still laughing, and while going to post this i read it agina and laughed hysterically AGAIN!! i have no idea what he means by anything he says! And .. ummmm... no comment!
Doudi, I think you have to be of a certain age and experience to understand where he is coming from, and yes, Deli-Kizin is right, thehandsom does some excellent work in translating, the interpretation of what the true meaning is will always be watered down in a translation. But i get where you are coming from too............
And doudi is right, generally his poetry has kind of a pervert sense in it, but I cant help but be attracted to it But to say that it doesn´t make sense or that it is extremely humerous..
Normally I like his poetry but this is a bit weird, but I agree with what you are saying there is some sense to it, in an odd way.
One song that makes the hairs on the back of neck stand up and a shiver through my body and stirs my imagination
Bed of Roses - Bon Jon Jovi
Sitting here wasted and wounded at this old piano Trying hard to capture the moment this morning I don´t know ´Cause a bottle of vodka is still lodged in my head And some blond gave me nightmares I think that she´s still in my bed As I dream about movies they won´t make of me when I´m dead
With an ironclad fist I wake up and French kiss the morning While some marching band keeps its own beat in my head While we´re talking About all of the things that I long to believe About love and the truth and what you mean to me And the truth is baby you´re all that I need
I want to lay you on a bed of roses For tonite I sleep on a bed on nails I want to be just as close as the Holy Ghost is And lay you down on bed of roses
Well I´m so far away That each step that I take is on my way home A king´s ransom in dimes I´d given each night Just to see through this payphone Still I run out of time Or it´s hard to get through Till the bird on the wire flies me back to you I´ll just close my eyes and whisper, baby blind love is true
I want to lay you down on a bed of roses For tonite I sleep on a bed on nails I want to be just as close as the Holy Ghost is And lay you down on bed of roses
The hotel bar hangover whiskey´s gone dry The barkeeper´s wig´s crooked And she´s giving me the eye I might have said yeah But I laughed so hard I think I died
When you close your eyes Know I´ll be thinking about you While my mistress she calls me To stand in her spotlight again Tonite I won´t be alone But you know that don´t Mean I´m not lonely I´ve got nothing to prove For it´s you that I´d die to defend
I want to lay you down on a bed of roses For tonite I sleep on a bed on nails I want to be just as close as the Holy Ghost is And lay you down on bed of roses
Surprized. I always thought the Netherlands is a place where alcohol and narcotics addictions are considered as part of personal freedoms. Does it make sense to allow weed and curb absinthe
Having said that when I used to smoke, I would occasionally roll a Drum or Samson can´t remember which one tasted better.
I believe I know almost all the curse phrases in Dutch, courtesy of a nasty friend who was raised in Holland.
It is not banned any more, the brewing? of it has changed as theAenigma "fountain of all knowledge" posted above
Didn´t we have a post like this recently with exactly the same pictures? What is so strange about eating squirrels anyway? They are vegetarian animals (which is the only kind deemed acceptable in the west) so what is the problem?
If you choose to eat meat, does it really make a different whether the animal was cute and fluffy or not?
Yes you are right AE, he did post these before! He had better watch out when LIR comes on line, he will get a proper telling off! Duplicating a post how dare he, how VERY dare he???
Absinthe is in a different league!!! It had included "wormwood" which was a hallucinate. It is said that without absinthe being in Paris during such a creative time, we would never have had the impressionist movement, as most artists and writers were completely addicted to it!!!! It was to the early part of the century, what LSD was to the 1960s.
It was banned for many years, but has since be re-launched without the addictive drug (wormwood)
You are very very right on that one! I have tried it and it numbs your mouth! It is a killer at 90% proof. If you ever watch Moulin Rouge there is a poster somewhere in the back ground advertising it. Lethal stuff!!! and never again.................
So we are not allowed to talk about spammers now????!?!?!
Quoting lady in red
Oh dear - and I was one of the first to start talking about him......I didn´t know I had to warn him, I thought spammers were generally self-destructing
(and I also thought that I was your favourite mod aenigma )
I was in kind mood last night and thought I would give the chap a chance........... but to no avail, never mind, I am going to stop being nice
Yes I love it too, but I only put some icecubes in it, not water like I put with raký or ouzo. Not everyone seems to agree that they are ´very´ simular though: I had two friends from the Netherlands with me on holiday this year, and we always drink Sambuca together on a night out, but they really couldn´t understand how people can drink raký.
Ice in Sambuca????????? Nahhhhh - three coffee beans and light it, drink through the flames! The Italian way hehehehe
I find this quite amusing.............. but in my opinion, the image that is portrayed by members here are not their real selves, they are entirely different people and would never act in realife the way they act on here - except me
or, they are their real selves but in real life they act entirely differently!
btw I like some of the descriptions, I had never visalised thehandsom as frail or bald or Catwoman as slow, I imagine here always in a rush to do something or get somewhere.
....and they appoint these (?) women as ministers in charge of women and family affairs.
Tonight is a follow up programme of the meetings held with the relevent departments in government. The initial trailer of the programme show some very defensive government officials.
Just to introduce a slightly more positive note to this thread, there is an excellent school for the disabled here. Of course these children are not orphans and this is a fairly affluent area but I am sure this cannot be the only school like this in Turkey.
I am now watching this and I am dismayed, horrified, saddened, not sure what else I can say, but I am totally suprised that Turkey treats its disabled, abandoned, mentally handicapped in such a way.
I saw the previous documentaries in Romania which reduced me to tears, and sadly the places visited in Turkey were only a little better.
Please Turkey change you ways, accept the disabled and mentally handicapped, treat them like humans and stop the discrimination and the humiliation.
Some 350 million people have been infected with chronic Hepatitis B worldwide, and in Turkey that figure is in the 400,000s and climbing, but only 20,000 Turks know they have the disease.Hepatitis B is a chronic, life-threatening illness that affects the liver. Uncontrolled, it can be the cause of problems such as liver failure, liver cancer and cirrhosis. The incidence of the virus is 5-6 percent in Turkey, but this figure climbs as high as 11 percent in the Southeast, where interfamily transmission of the disease is common. The virus is often spread in the Southeast through tattooing performed for healing purposes and through the shared use of toothbrushes, razors, towels and cutlery. Experts say the best form of protection against the virus is the Hepatitis B vaccine. The incidence of the disease in children has fallen from 8-10 percent to 1-1.5 percent in the 10 years since the vaccine was introduced in Turkey.
I had it when I worked in a hospital but never kept up the booster jab. I was supposed to get it done when I went to China but enver bothered. Bloody thing hurts and makes your arm swell up!
Our health service only normally vacinate if you are high risk, like working in a hospital where you come into contact with bodily fluids or you are travelling to a country of high risk, like China.
After everything I have been dealing with since this morning:
I go out to get a quick sandwich; go to the cafe; and ...phew..I have only 2 pounds
walk 200 meters to the cash point;
phew..only one of the hole in the wall is in operation with 28 people in the line
wait for 10 mins;
try to get some money and the bloody machine refuses..
walk into the bank ; qeueu again..
the guy asks me ´have you been on holiday recently?´
they blocked the card because i used it in wales!!
he tells me to phone the main office;
I ask him to land me a fiver for my lunch;
he gives me some money after asking my mother´s maiden name..
and I finally eat my sandwich.
phew!!!
what is next today?
being chased by a polar bear?
Now that is a question!
My day started at 5:30,
6:30 Leave home
6:53 catch train to London,
8:45 catch underground to Liverpool St, more underground to Stratford,
9:30 wait outside station in cold,
9:45 get minibus to Quatermile Lane (the Olympic Park)
10:30 do presentation to Environmental Managers on the site
12:30 try and fend off loads of questions
12:45 catch bus back to Stratford
13:00 get underground blah blah blah
13:45 catch train home
Bolt a very "tasty" not just a sandwich but an M&S sandwich and some exborbitantly priced fruit nicely cut into bike size pieces by poorly paid migrant workers
15:45 arrive home exhausted
16:00 cup of well earned tea
and now I should be writing a report for my boss ....................................
So, the moral of this story? thehandsom you are not alone in your manic day!
I will be watching this with interest. I noted in a previous thread about the murdered children that Fergie was mentioned and now I know why.
Surely if this film is correct, how can these sorts of abuses be made up or fabricated for undercover filming? Is it not time in the 21st centuary that orphaned, disabled, abandoned children for what ever reason, should be treated with dignity and respect within the homes they are placed?
I didn´t say the election was stolen, however it has been proven that voter fraud did take place in Ohio. When you have a government who pays speciality interest groups like Acorn to solicit the gettos of our cities in a biased manner this was a contributing factor here. As far as being gracious...I wish him all the luck in the world.........he´s going to need it.
Sour grapes! Tell us please that Bush did not get the vote rigged last time, with his promises (false promises) to the Cubans in Florida??????
I think this is the best thing that has happened to US for a long time, and suddenly ordinary people have a voice.
Incidentally, is there some kind of a tension between Britain and Brazil? I suppose there is one between Argentina and the UK. Argentina and Brazil being archrivals (at least in football), the Brazilians must logically be siding up with the UK against the tango boys. Could there be some kind of a Latin pact against the UK?
If so why do you dance at their carnivals?
Of course there is! Masa won the race but Hamilton won the championship
The best man for the job has succeeded and now I hope we see some change, not only in the USA but in the World where USA has influence, namely Iraq and Afganistan.
Just recovered from a very serious flu virus (I could have died !! ) ..
Woke up at 5 am..
All the technical problems have been happening today for some reason
My co-worker is annoying me..
My MD is annoying me
Amused! Reading this very exagerated post - typical symtoms of "Man Flu" (For those who don´t understand, man flu is a mild.................in fact, incredibly mild version of "woman flu")
I generally find that a nice lunch, glass of wine and chat helps all the symptoms
Louis Hamilton and his last fews seconds manover to win the F1 championship! Well done to a well deserved young F1 driver. The youngest to win formula 1 and first black driver to win.
I´ve always thought that Yilgun´s posts are so daft because he´s very young and inexperienced. Now I´m beginning to wonder if he´s not senile and demented
I take objection to this comment and would be grateful if you would delete the last offensive sentance and please dont say you are joking as this is a subject that is not funny.
The sidewalks, the suffering´s mother Sidewalks, the person who lived in me Sidewalks, sound heard when all sounds disappear to be Sidewalks, lingering a language in me
I´ll not give up life in a soft embrace I am the child nursed at this sidewalk´s breast Please let no morning on this dark street rest On this dark street let me ever run my race .....
Thanks very much! Rather a touching lyric I must say.
Granted I am no longer working but I do have a full private life. However I came to TURKISH LANGUAGE CLASS primarily to learn Turkish and there is enough language help on here to at least make an effort at translating - that´s what I meant.
Yep I tried but my translation did not even look anything like the above Give me French, Spanish or Italian any day
The historic city of Side, located in the town of Manavgat in the Mediterranean province of Antalya, has had its hotels at 70 percent capacity in the last days of October. While this density keeps local tradesmen happy, beggars flocking to the historic city are disrupting the mood.
The tradesmen of Side are very happy with the tourist rush that started at the end of September. The major beach of the historic city is full with tourists, who are enjoying the summer-like days, with the heat climbing up to 30 degrees. Cengiz Haydar Barut, president of the Side Tourism Community, or TUDER, said the occupancy rate of Side´s hotels climbed 20 percent and the arrivals 40 percent compared to last year.
Meanwhile, beggars are rushing into Side, which approximately 15,000 tourists visit each year. Beggars dwelling in the antique theater of Side, the Centrum, docks and the Temple of Apollo have frustrated both tourists and local tradesmen. Tradesmen in the tourism industry want these beggars stopped from harassing the tourists into giving them money and deported from the city.
A tourist guide, Sue Savaþ, said most of the tourists attending their tours to Side are complaining about beggars´ harassment and demanding the tourist areas to be swept clean of beggars. “At the end of each season, we make formal complaints to the Ministry of Culture and Tourism, as professional guides, with no results” Savaþ added.
Osman Delikulak, mayor of Side, complained the fines are not a deterrent and claimed the beggars they deport outside of the city by bus come back in luxury vehicles with their lawyers present. “We deported more than 300 beggars since the season´s start,” he said.
There are beggars everywhere - especially on the otogars of (big) cities, I can´t remember there were so many more in Side and surroundings. Do you agree that they should be deported out of town? Or....?
There were plenty Muslim women begging in Paris, Ãso perhaps they are all there? But these women looked so sad and I bet my bottom dolar they were being run by men.
Come on, have more trust in TheHandsom! I´m sure he made a country generator powered by sheep and used the laptop he had hidden from his family to convince then he was NOT addicted to the Internet (TC in particular)
Yes, the one he had hidden in the outdoor dunny The roll of andrex gave the game away
If people are members of Turkish Language Class then they should be trying to learn the language! This will be good practice.
Bit difficult for those of us who work full-time and have a full private life and at most spend 30 min every other day on here Perhaps someone would be extra kind and post the translation. Bunch of flowers on the way..................
Boredom or all the sheep bleating has got the better of thehandsom and he has logged in today! Don´t tell me you found an internet cafe in the middle of the Welsh countryside? ............................ no NO NO NO........ you never came across a Take A Break reader who has bought you a laptop with wireless internet???????????????
Reading the paper on my ill-fated journey this morning I came across this and I must admit, it made me smile. How the hell do you get 86 defendents into one court and expect to get a result!!
An article about the "Sex on the Beach" couple who were sentenced to 3 months imprisonment in Dubai, who actually didn´t have sex but were "kissing and cuddling".
My first thought was that they were very stupid to have done such a public thing in an Islamic country. Having sex in a public place is also banned in the UK! Even if they were just fooling around, you should respect the laws and customs of the country you visit.
However, the article reveals that 60% of tourists in Dubai are Saudi Arabians who go there to "let of steam". Alcohol, prostitutes and even gay bars exist (and thrive) in Dubai and are frequented by the Saudis. A Brit living in Dubai describes the weekends as "filled with drunk Saudi´s who go there to enjoy sex and alcohol".
Dubai needs to make up it´s mind. If it wants to continue to attract the wealthy tourists to it´s 7 star hotel tax free haven by relaxing its OWN moral codes, they can´t then patrol the beaches at night with torches searching for couples on sunbeds!!!
is not the word for it............... my journey into London this morning came to an abrupt halt when the train hit a car on a crossing killing the occupant.
Becasue it is only a short form of a curse phrase that puts the genitals of the nurse who assisted your mother when she was giving birth to you in the limelight.
Thank you for explaining the meaning - that is all that is needed for those of us who are not Turkish and do not understand the finner points of Turkish swearing.
May I ask that you all have some respect for Kurt please and his request. This descent into childish banter happens far too often to our genuine Turkish members and he does not deserve this. Therefore I ask that you carry on this banter in some other thread.
First woman to lead Muslim prayers angers traditionalists
Islamic history will be made in the heart of Oxford today when a woman Muslim scholar leads Friday prayers and delivers the khutba, or sermon, for the first time in Britain.
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"Literalists interpret the Hadith [the sayings of Prophet Muhammad] as implying a woman should never lead a community. But even within the Hadith there is a woman called Umm Waraqa whom the Prophet allowed to lead prayers in a household and to teach her neighbour. Though it recognises biological differences between men and women, the Koran absolutely specifies gender egalitarianism"
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Mokh-tar Badri, vice-president of the Muslim Association of Britain, said: "With all respect to sister Amina, prayer is something we perform in accordance to the teachings of our Lord. It has nothing to do with the position of women in society. It is not to degrade them. This is something divine, not human. We do it the way it has been ordained by God. Women can lead prayers before other women but before a congregation of men and women, a man must lead.
This has caused quite a stir by all acounts, but then no different from how women priests were first treated [in the UK] and now it is accepted. I personally congratulate this women for taking a stand [yes a little bit of feminism creaping in there!]
He was from Ozbekistan, and dual password. He passed after made his demand to hijack the plane due to his high level of alcholol, . ATV showed some tv recordings of mentioned person, shoot some years ago. He certainly lacks some mental functions, it seems to me.
Apparently it was other passengers that subdued him ................... if that is the right word?? so perhaps he made it easy for them by passing out
I have no idea whatsoever what my house is made of, but as soon as my husband gets back from work, I´ll ask him as he´s a specialist in that particular field and will gladly provide you with technical details since it´s such a hot topic.
Thank you for your dedication to my request and it is so annoying that I cannot get smilies and I dont remember all the short cuts
Just as another thought on "Your House" - what is it made of?
Bricks and Blocks
Blocks that are painted
Wood
Stone
Mud
This is like a little survey...................... You may think it is obvious, but times are changing and construction methods are too with sustainable construction and heat loss being the big topics
Mine is a traditionally built house of bricks and blocks with a tiled roof
I don´t know anything about your claim but , in any event, you credit Erdinç with too much power. I think Müjde has a mind of her own and I don´t believe for one second that Erdinç totally influenced her or brainwashed her. She is quite capable of formulating her own opinions and acting on them. She had not been visiting the site much even before Erdinç left. She has a very busy life at the moment.
Personally I don´t feel this is for a discussion on the forum. I know nothing about it, but it seems a bit personal to me. Sorry for just quoting just this, but used it as an example.
Upset and angry. My internet is not working at home (so it means that I connected from outside) I dont know when it will be solved, because on the phone of the technical service there is a french who does not know how to speak slowly and who does not speak english either. I just came here to tell the ones who care about me not to worry about me and I came here to tell my kitty that I love her. See you later
What is it about the French! They won´t speak slowly when you ask, (and you want to try out your French) then they oblige by returning the conversation in English............... except in this case of course
Sounds a bit like the Turk that we had the pleasure of sitting next to on our last BA flight to Ankara, drunk and abusive.................. except we had been sitting on the runway for 6 hours and he had managed to consume nearly a whole bottle of whiskey
You should speak.. since your so in touch with your christian views.
I take people as I find, regardless of colour, creed or religion and I find it hard to stomach that someone so staunchly religous as you can write that those who do not believe in God will be judged. So when does his happen? Can you ask God and let me know....................I need to make some plans
I am a little troubled by my sore feet and aching legs................................ but it is self inflicted. We had this brain wave, (or I did ), that we could hike from Ramsgate to Canterbury just a mere 22 miles or so and just over 10 hours later we arrived...................
When I heard this being discussed on TV yesterday morning I felt physically sick. But the actions of a group of people, gathered at a multi story car park, last weekend, should leave them with severly battered consciences.
Wonder whey they were doing? They had gathered to watch events unfolding over a period of three hours. A young man, standing at the top on the parapit was threatening to jump. Police were trying to talk him down. So what do you think the crowd did? The gouded him to jump, encouraging him and talking mobile phone videos and photos of him when he did jump.
It sickens me to think I now live in a society that act in such a way. You cannot call these people human.
For me there is one destiny and that is the one that you create for yourself - if other words a sort of planning process.
You can see the route some people will take in life by the way they lead their life - they are destined for greater things or they are destined to a life of hardship. For instance, someone who works hard, studies etc will be (generally) destined to greater things where as someone who drinks heavily and gamble will be (generally) destined to a life of hardship.
No mention of hell please, it will upset the atheists here. They are in denial, as you know, as they get older they become atheists in the vain hope the self fulfilling prophecy theory will work and they won´t get burned
Haha! A wooden box and hole in the ground or a hot oven, that is the reality, no one is waiting at some sparkling gate for your arrival or a bubbling inferno! Unless you know something different of course
Just a quick observation or point to make - racisms is not a Turkish phenomenon, it is worldwide and is endemic worldwide. Anyone tell me that there is not an element of racism in their country then they have their head in the clouds. But because of racisms people do not stop liking a country or stop visiting a country. Anyway, off to Kent now, and I am not sure how Kent people see those from further north!
I am planning on taking him straight to a Turkish barber´s for ´the full treatment´ the minute he arrives (but please don´t tell him - he doesn´t know )
Your secret is safe with me ................. but I can´t vouch for the others
Yes, I was referring to that nude gay couple. It might be shocking to some people, it was to me, to say the truth. Just thought that it would be better if there were a warning about it.
Sorry, but it never crossed my mind they might be gay - just two men with perfectly honed bodies in a photogragh - I promise to be vigilent in future
Nobody commented on the continuid education for men post!
Oh you poor popsy! I thought it was very funny and I shall be employing some of these lessons in my own house.................even after 32 years he still "forgets" everything I have ever taught him!
Maybe you should add a warning for the potentially offensive/disturbing image.
What images? I never noticed any pictures
Modify 1.
Apologies to anyone I have offended by posting the link, but I took it as rather lighthearted .........ooops
Modify 2.
Am I missing something? Where are the offensive images? If you are referring to the naked couple, that is a beautiful picture and not in the least offensive.......to me anyway.
Civil engineering and construction contracts are very active in Türkiye.The most important sector.Turkish construction companies are very successful in the foreign countries.
Yes I know, particularly in Dubai. But tell me, how is Health & Safety controlled in Turkey? I understand from a colleague that it is not very good in Dubai with many hundreds of deaths on contruction sites, mostly Indians. (Punjabis)
I was a long time ago...but he somehow managed to get on top of me and won´t let me get back on top!
I managed to get on top of him once, but it was a struggle Now like you I am not sure where I stand on the "on top of whom" "whose on top of me" issues Pales the current economic crisis into insignificance....................
I was reading this thread before lunch and was quite impressed with the debate. I think when I left it was about 7 pages or something like that. I come back an hour and a bit later and it has turned from an interesting debate to an all out war and slanging match. How can anyone make their mind up when there is such mud slinging going on?
This isn´t the first time we have had a recession and it won´t be the last....why are people so shocked? So many companies/people have been excessively greedy for so long....its hard to imagine that it took this long! Wasn´t it dear old Mom who said, "never live beyond your means?" Best piece of advice I ever got!
Pity some of Bushes cronies didn´t get the same advice then we (the world) would not be in this mess now.
Plus... living within your means becomes irrevelent when you are faced with no job - the situation that many face this morning as more companies in the UK closed yesterday...
Very true and very sad. And when these big bankers take their fat cat bonuses for actually cocking it all up, think about the cleaners on the minimum wage, scraping by, who will be the ones who will suffer.
Total investment for upgrading Turkey´s transport infrastructure will exceed 20 billion euros by 2020, according to
TUTKU AYVAZ-REFERANS
The European Union has identified the necessary projects for Turkey to transform its transport sector and said the total investment required until 2020 exceeded 20 billion euros.
Among a group of 33 priority projects were the construction of new airports in Istanbul and Çukurova, railway logistic centers in Istanbul, Ãzmit, Kayseri, Samsun, Eskiþehir and Balýkesir, ports in Çandarlý and Filyos, as well as a high-speed rail line between Halkalý and Kapýkule.
The EU experts estimated the projects would exceed 20 billion euros, but the priority projects could be eligible for EU funding.
The projects are of great importance for conforming Turkey´s policies and infrastructure to EU standards as well as integrating Turkey´s network into the European transportation network.
Like that then, a big carrot for Turkey to get it´s house in order for accession to the EU and in the meantime, the civil engineers need to be found, educated, trained and experience gained to take on these major projects.
Father wears his sunday best Mothers tired she needs a rest The kids are playing up downstairs Sisters sighing in her sleep Brothers got a date to keep He cant hang around
Our house, in the middle of our street Our house, in the middle of our ...
Our house it has a crowd Theres always something happening And its usually quite loud Our mum shes so house-proud Nothing ever slows her down And a mess is not allowed
Our house, in the middle of our street Our house, in the middle of our ...
Our house, in the middle of our street Our house, in the middle of our ... Something tells you that youve got to get away from it
Father gets up late for work Mother has to iron his shirt Then she sends the kids to school Sees them off with a small kiss Shes the one theyre going to miss In lots of ways
Our house, in the middle of our street Our house, in the middle of our ...
I remember way back then when everything was true and when We would have such a very good time such a fine time Such a happy time And I remember how we´d play simply waste the day away Then we´d say nothing would come between us two dreamers
Father wears his sunday best Mothers tired she needs a rest The kids are playing up downstairs Sisters sighing in her sleep Brothers got a date to keep He cant hang around
Our house, in the middle of our street Our house, in the middle of our street
Our house, in the middle of our street Our house, in the middle of our ...
Our house, was our castle and our keep Our house, in the middle of our street
Our house, that was where we used to sleep Our house, in the middle of our street
Our house, in the middle of our street
Just thought I would add this lyric of this amusing song which actually typifies many households in the UK.
This isn´t the first time we have had a recession and it won´t be the last....why are people so shocked? So many companies/people have been excessively greedy for so long....its hard to imagine that it took this long! Wasn´t it dear old Mom who said, "never live beyond your means?" Best piece of advice I ever got!
Because this is the first time that it has become global and it is close to a depression.
nothing will not change on world unless riches and capitalists never learned value of sharing....
I think a more fundamental answer is "don´t have what you can´t afford" and that does not mean don´t borrow, but only borrow what you can realistically afford to pay back.
Icelands financial industry has today collapsed! The country borrowed five times what it´s economy was worth. Sounds like a good plan!
Nope! - Apparently I am the only person in the entire civilised world who hasn´t! - I did watch one of the films though
Sorry LIR, you cannot claim this one, I have not read Harry Potter either and I think I might have seen a bit of one of the films. I am yet to understand why an adult would want to read them
The Long Way Down, by Ewan McGregor (of Trainspotting and Star Wars fame) and Charlie Borman.
These intrepid travellers decided to travel around the world on motor bikes about three years ago, along came book and film etc etc.
This was so successful they devided to ride the Long Way Down, from John O´Groats (Northern tip of Scotland) to Cape Town South Africa.
The support Unicef and visit unicef run projects on their way.
It is a good read, written as they are both speaking, i.e. taking it in turns, and you get a different perspective on one situation.
I would highly recommend this book and the Long Way Round - any motorcycle enthusiasts would love the adventure!
Just finished the Long Way Down and I must say, not a patch on Long Way Round. Not such an interesting journey I felt and one African country sounded very much like the next one. Really skipped the journey through Namibia to South Africa in a few pages.
So I am now beginning the latest Joh Le Carre book, "A most Wanted Man". A spy book about a Russian Muslim, so it says in the front cover........................... it begins:
A Turkish heavy weight boxing champion sauntering down a Hamburg Street with his mother on his arm can scarcely be blammed for failing to notice that he is being shadowed by a skinny boy in a black coat..........................
Well, I actually hate that airport in Amsterdam, it´s the only one that asks the 3 big questions: have you packed the bags yourself, has anybody give you any items to carry, have your bags been in your possession all the time!!!!!???
Nobody else does it except for Amsterdam airport!!! I am trying to avoid connecting there at all cost!
This made me smile! How about "Oh what it is to 50"...................... the distance between the two seem so short and suddenly you are staring 60 in the face so enjoy life, you only get one chance .
Sharon Stone is now likely to have her son taken away from her, because of her bizarre behaviour in bringing him up. In trying to resolve a smelly feet problem, she has resorted to have given the boy, or rather taking him to have botox injections in his feet. It is also reported that for the first four years of his life, he had a 24 hour nanny to bring him up and she had little inivolvement due to her "committments".
Why are these women have chilren or are allowed to adopt children, as she has, if they are not prepared to raise them. (This child mentioned above is her own, but she does have adopted children). Do they not realise that they are not puppies or kittens that are given away when they are weaned?
Why don´t you simply take your debit card and pay YTL out from an ATM? That´s what I always do.
I always take a bit of YTL cash for the first day or so then use my debit card. We have also changed up or rather paid for things like "genuine fake jeans" with sterling. But that may not be so attractive at the moment.
Yes its in peru and its not only one and make zoom in a little more , maybe they are glacier but i think the glaciers are very smooth under water, arent they?
another one: 14°37´34.53"S 69°22´41.20"W
It was very blurred when I zoomed in. You can see glacier on the lake, and if I am right, this is one lake which the glacier is receding at an incredible rate in this ranmge of mountains . Perhaps you can see more of the mountain through the water.
It officially started yesterday afternoon, but i read in the Trukish Daily News that the Bayram has been extended by the Government to 9 days instead of the usual 3½. The 9 days I think, includes last week and the following weekend.
It was not so long ago you were making sarcastic comments about people who were spending too long online! GET OUTSIDE WHILE YOU STILL CANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Well libralady... don´t be afraid to say that I´m really good at this game! (nothing wrong with expressing your feelings heheheh)
My dear Catwoman, you are very good at this game and I am fg crap
Be warned all you potential facebookers, if you come across someone who can score 150 for their first word, do not play, I repeat, do not play, it is a conspiracy!!!!!
Google Earth pictures are not current, google earth program use the pictures which they are taken in 2005 ( last update ) by the satallite. so the pictures are old.. so you are right , your house picture must be old on google earth..
I also know that it was a Friday morning, because I found my old work place, and I counted the cars in the car park! Friday was half day and less people worked on a Friday. I also think it was August, because you can see bales of straw in the fields near my home
My google earth has started working again and I found my house! The image is at least two years old and it was taken in the summer. How can I tell? There are sun beds in the garden, the parasol is up and my son´s car is in the drive and he moved out over two years ago!
I know YOU meant Turks but I thought you thought I meant tourists because you said Bodrum is a touristy area! (btw SO nice to hear the word ´touristy´ instead of ´touristic´ - a word that really gets on my nerves
But really, do Turks not ride real, serious, big boy motor bikes?
You are joking??? Round here you dice with death everytime you cross the road - never mind the cars, its the mopeds/motorbikes zooming in and out of the traffic, cutting corners across the pavements, u-turning in the middle of the road! I was walking through the backstreets of Bodrum a couple of days ago and I reckon I was lucky to get out alive! .
And what about the family on a motorbike syndrome - mum, dad, a couple of kids and possibly a dog!!
Pushbikes are as bad, no bells, no brakes and no sense of direction! (and that´s just me on mine!!)
Yes but that is a touristy area and not the sort of rural area I am talking about. In our travels last year across Turkey to the north, we hardly saw any motobikes and I mean the serious big boy sort and no bicycles that I can recall.
It is one thing I noticed about Turkey - no bicyles and hardly any motor bikes. Not like Italy where there is a prevalance of both. Don´t Turks like riding bikes, even the quieter rural areas?
Personally, I think it is a small accomodation. I don´t think its a really big deal to make the toilets face in a different direction....especially if it saves a lot of hard feelings.....just my thoughts.
My thoughts too! They need not have said anything and no one would have been none the wiser. It is just in the design detail. I am not a great one for bowing to different religions when they come to the UK, but I make an exception for the London2012 as there will be people from all faiths including athiests etc etc here for a short time. Also, knowing some of the rules that the ODA have put in place whilst the construction work is taking place, this is a minor matter.
Most women who have plastic surgery need a psychlogical assessment in my opinion. What are they trying to hind from? Will it make you any happier? Will it save your marriage? The same problems with be there as before, you will have just parted with a big wadge of cash and made some plastic surgeon a bit richer.
Some people who have had disasters from plastic surgery and not only women:
Michael Jackson
Micky O´Rourke
Lesley Ash
Pete Burns
Tori Spelling
Hilary Duff
Donnatella Versace
Melanie Griffiths
and I would guess that is just the tip of the iceburg............... These people have been disfigured for the rest of their lives.
So go ahead and have some major surgery to look better
What should worry everyone is that is did not happen only in Ankara and Izmir but quoting Today´s Zaman:
´...a recent rise in infant deaths across Turkey, with five infants dying in Edirne, two in Manisa, seven in Kayseri, five in İstanbul, 47 in Ankara and 13 in İzmir...´
Yes, and how incredible it is the number of low weight births. Why is this happening? Poor nutrician, poor anti-natal care, complacency?? I also was quite amazed that the parents one baby who say they found out their baby had died through the newspaper, why were they not with their poorly child?
In the UK the normal weight for a new born is around 3 - 4 kg.
It says these babies where between 800gms (a bag of sugar) and 1200 gms (a bag of flour), they are incredibly small and even with sophisticated equipment I guess they would be lucky to survive. There lungs would not be properly developed. I think what also worries me though, is that fact there were 13 prem babies all born about the same time and they are born in a research hospital.
They either died or we gave them away. The dog and cat were given away to people with gardens. Most of the birds were freed to the environment. Hamsters were sold out (that is why I loved them the most ). Some of the birds died because of illnesses, some fleed out of the window, one hamster got an electric shock, one hamster died because of old age as they live around just 2,5 years.
I was just wondering does anyone have any pets. I for one have had many including 5 dogs (bonnie - cockerspaniel r.i.p) Pebbles who we currently have, she is a 2 1/2 year old jack russell terrier. Also many rabbits, gerbils and have got 4 cats. Plus of course Bonnie had many pups, very cute black and white strangely enough she never had her color - orange roan.
So could you reply with your family pets, thanks
This is a menagerie!
I have two cats and we have our neighbours chickens that come into our garden and eat our flowers but lay no eggs! I grew up with loads of animals, we had dogs, cats, and a goat that had triplets, which I saw being born. We kept pigs (sorry Muslims) but then I would not eat pork in case it was one of our pigs. We had a pig that was ill and the abortoir would not take it. So I kept it as a pet, and it would follow me around the farm yard. Then it had to go and I cried! That pig was lovely, I used to sit with it and scratch its back and it loved it! (btw I as only about 14 at the time)
my mom said she just took this shot called epi smthg i dunno and she felt nthg but she said with my brother itw as too late and lets just say my brother still has a really big head!!
That would be an epidural! It is an injection of sorts, into the spine and they have to mind the spinal cord, which then numbs from the breasts down. To check they poke you with needles and say stupid things like "can you feel that"
I care because, as I said, my sister works in a Special Care Baby unit and they have seen a huge increase of medical emergencies arising from the increase in elective caesarean births.
I care because vanity and bodily perfection have become the new god - even at the expense of risking lives.
And.... I care because, like it or not, people on this site see you as their "feminist representative" and assume your views are those of all feminists.
And I care because I enjoy a good argument with you
I just find it hilarious that two woman are arguing about something they have no experience of, only hearsay and conjecture!
My life was SAVED by having a C-Section! Please let me tell you (Wartrain) the main reason for c-sections in my hospital was due to the induction of labour, which was a decision by the doctors for their convenience. It was something like 1 in 5 induced labours ended in c-section, and it was these people whose lives were put at risk. I spent 3 months in hospital so I am speaking from experience.
Please go and argue about something you do know about.
Well, the first ´pregnant man´ already exists in the US.... Shall we women swap places for some centuries with men? They ´do´ the pregnancy and we earn the money (more often then we already do of course). That´ll make a huge difference I guess....
Not entirely a man, she did not go through the full transition to become a man, hence teh pregnancy as her/his womb and reproductive organs still exist. The thoughts of the outcome for this child do not bear thinking about!
Assuming that C-section is painless is wrong! True, the 45 minutes of the surgery is painless (with the exception of a needle down your spine) but the recovery is disasterous. I hope they understand that the next day they´ll have to get up and take care of their newborn. Also, the cather will be removed and they´ll have to go to the lavatory although the pain will be immense. Getting up will make them feel like their wound is about to break open and this shall continue for about a week. The next week will still be painful and although painkillers do help, it will take about six weeks to function normally (so was I told as myself I´m in week four). I wouldn´t know for sure but I reckon natural delivery is painful for a shorter period of time.
I have had two, 30 years and 28 years ago. Both for medical reasons and I have this say on the matter.
30 years ago, I had to request a bikini cut other wise I would have have a scar from belly button down to .......... and this was performed under aenesthetic. Just going under was a horrific experience and when I woke, it was like being cut in half with a burning knife. I stayed in hospital 10 days (that was the norm then) and I could not breast feed, as the hormones did not kick in straight away.
As for pain after, I don´t really remember too much after the initial waking up and I was back to normal within a short time, 6 weeks and I had my normal figure back including strong stomach muscles.
2nd time, I had an epidural and I can say the pleasure of seeing my son born, with no pain at all. I was fortunate according the DD´s account, that I did not have any particular pain after the epidural wore off. Hospital for 7 days and back to normal within 4 weeks.
I would have preferred natural delivery but it was not to be. Why someone would choose to have a major operation, all your major stomach muscles are cut through, and your womb is weakened for any further pregancies beats me!
I think talking about such dilemmas is cruel and inhumane and should be banned!!!
Have you thought for a moment how someone who has neither of these and instead is suffering at the moment with much more mundane things in life might feel about reading this????????
I have the words for you!
"What a selfish lot of women, worrying about pool, beach, bikini blah blah blah..shall I have a raki or an efes?"
How much fuss can be made about going to the hair dresser and inappropriate touching! It all sounds a bit like a McCain and Obama argument! What suits one does not suit another.
I prefer a man (usually a junior so boy is a better description!) to wash my hair, they are so much better at the head massage than the fearce massage a woman (girl) gives!
Yes I agree with Lady in Red...English also is a too hard language....
English is a world language, like an international tongue organism...
Maybe it takes a life time...
Sometimes I want to try to read Time (United States) , Newsweek (United States), The Economist (UK) , Financial Times (UK), Washington Post (United States), İnternational Herald Tribune (The Golbal Edition of the New York Times), etc.
It is impossible to read them easily for my present capacity...
I must read "A history of the English-Speaking Peoples since 1900"...
I would like to read William Shakespeare´s plays = Hamlet, King Lear, Macbeth and Othello in English...But it is impossible for now....
But I recognize some Turkish friends here, they know English very well..And they can read these publications...
I do know of someone who learnt English buy just reading newspapers, with the help of a dictionary and I wonder how the resort boys learn English so well? Do they go to classes or just rely on learning from tourists.
I think you should lower your limits on the papers you chose to read! Most of those are so boring, you should try the Independent or Times (online) or the Turkish Daily News (English version online) first. We have a saying " learn to walk before you run" and I think you have chosen some very difficult papers, journals and books (i.e. Shakespear) to read. The average UK born person would not even read (or be able to read) Shakespear - you need a will of cast iron, determination and dedication
But Yilgin, I for one think your level of English has greatly improved lately. Keep it up!
An e-mail someone sent to me. It contained this story:
"Moral of the story is too Good...................................
A giant ship engine failed. The ship´s owners tried one expert after another, but none of them could figure but how to fix the engine. Then they brought in an old man who had been fixing ships since he was a young. He carried a large bag of tools with him, and when he arrived, he immediately went to work. He inspected the engine very carefully, top to bottom. Two of the ship´s owners were there, watching this man, hoping he would know what to do. After looking things over, the old man reached into his bag and pulled out a small hammer. He gently tapped something. Instantly, the engine lurched into life. He carefully put his hammer away. The engine was fixed! A week later, the owners received a bill from the old man for ten thousand dollars. ´What?!´ the owners exclaimed. ´He hardly did anything!´ So they wrote the old man a note saying, ´Please send us an itemized bill.´ The man sent a bill that read: Tapping with a hammer...... ......... ........ $ 2.00 Knowing where to tap.......... ......... ...... $ 9,998.00 Effort is important, but knowing where to make an effort makes all the difference "
3-"The Post-American World " by fareed Zakaria (USA)
4-" In the dark " by Mark Bilingham (UK)
5-"The return " by Victoria Hislop (UK)
6- "Someone special " by Sheila O´ flanagan (UK)
7--"When Will There be Good News? " by Kate Atkinson (UK)
8--"Angel Uncovered " by Katie Price (UK)
9-"Le fait du prince" by Amelia Nothomb (France)
10-"Ce que le jour doit a la nuit" by Yasmina Khadra (France)
No, none of these are on my shelf. For info Yilgin, Katie Price is otherwise known as Jordon, a glamour model in the UK, and for one I would not buy any of her books.
Victoria Hislop is an aclaimed writer in the UK, married to the satorial journalist Ian Hislop. The other UK writers I have not heard of.
Oh my god i went for a turkish bath and the guy who bathed me had a stonking hard on the whole way through. i felt it on many parts of my body!!!! Im sure they are not suppose to get that close!!!!
he will never do it again. I took the cloth and wrapped it around his head. You have to tell them what for otherwise they will do it again...
Goodness me ! Why dont you write an essay about it? ....................... Please
I have the complicated dilema of which train to catch to go to London today for a meeting this afternoon! Do I go on an early train and have a relaxing lunch before my meeting or do I go on a later train and have a sandwich on the train? I need some assistance to sort out this dilema, but I don´t have long to decide!
Now that is what I call dedication! Here are some virtual flowers to cheer you up, sadly I can´t send any viritual grapes................ I´ve eaten them all
The potential repercussion bother me a great deal hence the "!" As you probably know I am not a religous person fullstop, so do not welcome other religions forcing their laws or beliefes on people who don´t want them.
If they want to use this as a method of arbitration between themselves, which I suspect already goes on, then fine, but it should no way enter into our legal system.
I don`t remember the Muslims` in Britain flooding into the streets and making a riot to have the sharia laws in there.
and as we don`t have the sharia rule here, why would we adopt the laws of UK.? That problem seems to be exclusive to you.
Congratulations on your new laws btw. Hayirli olsun!
My comment was more on the hypothetical position and not particulary aimed at Turks, just seeking your opinion really.
No I have not noticed riots, just the odd bombing or two. So once we have Muslims governing themselves under Sharia Law how soon would it be before they want to change our constitution? I can´t see that if we went to Pakistan for instance, that we would be able to introduce our divorce laws so why should they introduce their laws here in the UK?
Please anyone, tell me any country in the World that would allow non-nationals to introduce their own laws?
this sounds like a political move to give a rise to nazism. no other plausible explanation.
can smn tell me who asked for sharia courts in England?
Who do you think Tamikidakika? Muslims (not all I must quickly point out), but those that think they are hard done by in our society who do not like living by the laws of the land they have chosen to live in but want their own rules and laws.
Do you think Turkey will be incorporating some of the UK laws to take account of the number of Brits living there? (a tongue in cheek comment, not meant to offend Turks, but just an example)
Freshman,Couch,Lifemate..To moderators:Why do you delete membership easily?Whats problem and why?I dont understand you..Be sure..I am the one of the oldest member but you are deleting my account everytime..I need explain..I am bored..
The moderators do not delete accounts, Admin do!
And having just checked the deletion list, I don´t understand why Lifemate should be deleted for spam. I have issues about what is and is not spam, and how easily people with hit the spam button! Lifemate, I am sorry to see you go.
ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.
The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.
Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.
Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.
It has now emerged that sharia courts with these powers have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network’s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.
I could not believe my eyes when I read this and I totally agree with Elena from Virginia who says: I´m utterly shocked by this. While I´m all for religious freedom, the law of the land should be just that: one law, the same for everyone.
No I can´t believe my eyes either as this is the very first I have heard of this! There has been mumblings but nothing has been decided I am sure, and there has been nothing on the news. Hopefully this is just over zealous journalism!
this is a great meal, I haven´t had kofte in a long time (meatballs) my nan does this slightly different. When she makes spaghetti bolognese the sauce for that meal goes on top of the potatoes which then goes in the oven, I have this meal at least once a week or so
Thanks Ebbyru for bringing some decency back to the thread, having just looked at the recipe and photo I am now incredibly hungry
As far as I am concerned this is just a bloody sexist rat race with lipstick on! Sarah Palin can make remarks that are sexist and that is fine, but Obama can only repeat what McCain has said previously and that is not!
Please note: I am not a fan of any of the USA candiates for president, I think they will both be useless!
Well then you are fortunate that you could make this decision financially, not everyone can. Believe me I taught my son the exact same things and were there for everyone of his highs and lows. You can still have a career and be a mother.
See once again you are jumping to conclusions! You are making the assumption that I was well off! Actually no we were not. But why should I have to account to you?
I have had enough of your preaching for one day or even one year.
One last time! I have been a mother who brought up her children and I have a career and I managed that without resorting to childcare!
And in all of this, the child placed in a child care situation, what is his or her choice in this may I ask? Do they say at 6 months old "I would prefer to be brought up by a stranger or I would really like my mother to be with me"?
And why is it so wrong that a mother should want to bring up her own children? Children go to school at 4/5 years old, so it is not the end of the world a little time for them is it??????
If anyone is interested this site gives statistics for the number of Irish women seeking an abortion on the UK mainland. http://www.ifpa.ie/abortion/index.html
If anti abortion legislation was ever passed in the US I presume there would be nothing to stop the "haves" from going over the border, into Canada for a termination. (I don´t know if it´s legal in Mexico) . Where would the "have nots" go? Would there be DIY abortions? What would be the consequences?
I am pro choice, but I do think there should be strict limits on deadlines (unless for extreme medical reasons). Premature births at 22-23 weeks are having successful outcomes nowadays.
I´m not saying I think cerebral palsy is a reason to have an abortion. Someone made to have a child against their will could be tipped over the edge and who knows what mental state they may be left in. Of course some may look back and be thankful that they changed their mind about having an abortion and some will be left bitter, resentful or mentally unstable.
I´ve worked with many disabled children over the years, in a mainstream school, and worked closely with their parents. Children with Down´s Syndrome, Autism, Cerebral Palsy, Epilepsy, Hemiplegia, Dyspraxia, verbal Dyspraxia and Muscular Dystrophy to name some. I can say without exception the children enrich school life and the lives of others, as well as their own. It is wonderful to see young children keen to learn sign language in order to be able to communicate with the children that need it.
I´m shattered and I don´t think I´ve made myself very clear. Basically, I´m pro choice but I can understand why someone would not want to have an abortion and I don´t think I could. However, I´ve never been in the position where I had to contemplate it, so I don´t know what I would do if the chips were down.
I do worry what the consequences of a pro life law would be, as I said at the beginning.
It is definitely legal in Mexico as they have forced abortions for women working in the maquiladoras in Mexico, otherwise they lose their jobs. Maquiladoras are foreign owned factories, mostly large corporations (usually American), where people work poor conditions and low pay. If the women are found to become pregnant then they are forced to have abortions. But then that is another story.................
So please tell us how you managed this? Did you work nights while your child slept?
I had children young, looked after them at home from birth to school age, started working part time to fit in with school times, began studying, got qualifications, began working more hours as they got older, and worked full time when the youngest one was about 13. Had time off work in the school holidays, mother-in-law had them some of the holidays.
By doing this, I saw every single one of my childrens teeth grow, I heard their first words, I saw them sit for the first time, crawl and I saw them take their first steps, I watched them learn to feed themselves, and laughed when they made a mess. I listened to them reading their first words, and helped them with their first maths. I built lego toys with them, helped them with model aeroplanes when they became frustrated, I taught them about nature and respect for nature. I wiped their tears, I kissed them and cuddled them when they were upset. I taught them to ride a bike, to fish and I taught them to swim, I taught them to drive a car, I taught them how to stand on their own two feet.
By the time I was 35 (my children just about off my hands) I had a reasonable job and good prospects which I have built on since to become a senior manager and since moved on to pastures new into another senior position and now rub shoulders with politicians.
So in other words, a woman can´t have a career if she has children. Yes that is shock and horror!
Actually it is possible to have children, bring them up yourself, and have a career! I somehow managed it I did not miss out on any crucial parts of my children growing up nor have I missed out on the career ladder either - shock horror!
I´m shocked that you think a mother who has a "mongol" which I haven´t heard this term in years.....A mother with a down syndrom baby can´t have a career. So women can´t have a career who have kids? Is it so awful to have daycare? Do you find this palming it off on someone else? Unbelievable!
As far as everyone´s comments here about abortion..your entitled to your views. This doesn´t change my views one bit about pro-life, in fact it just reaffirms why I believe this way in the first place.
Interesting that Hilliary also called out Obama on the fact he voted "present" which means "no" on seven bills introduced. Two bills outlawed the late-term procedure that opponents call partial-birth abortion. Two bills required parental notification for minors seeking abortions. Three bills were for so-called "born alive" legislation, which require doctors to administer medical care to aborted fetuses that survive the abortion process in hopes that the fetuses can survive. Just many of the hundreds of reasons why I don´t want him representing me.
My opinion is "unbelieveable" that a women should bring us her own children! Shock horror!!!!
This is an amazing story of Voltec the bear that was adopted and looked after by men in the Polish army who were fighting in WWII. I saw this story on TV last night, as the town in Scotland were the troup and the bear were billeted to want to build a memorial to him. The bear was raised by these men and did everything they did, worked, drank beer, smoked and slept in the same tents.
When they came to Scotland the bear then lived in the zoo, becoming a massive attraction and he lived until 1963.
This is a long thread to read in a short time, so forgive me if I am repeating anyone else, but personally I think this woman is a timebomb! I would not be voting republican with her standing beside Old McCain, and someone who will most probably end up as president if he wins. Pro life she may be, and I believe the choice is a personal one, so what happened to her pro-life ideals when it comes to looking after her mongol son? I guess she has palmed him off on to someone else to look after.
this should be marked in the calender as a national holiday when the government has done something reasonable!
Although no laws have been passed and never will in the UK (as we are so politically correct!), a classroom assistant was banned from wearing the Burka at school as it frightened the children. If I remember correctly she was sacked for refusing, and then took it to the unions who fought her case. I tried to find the story but couldn´t.
Another story with the Burka being used as a disgiuse for a potential suicide bomber escaping UK after the bomb blasts in London.
Most of the stories both in Bible and Kuran are plaigarized from the Gilgamesh epic of Sumerians, so it`s meaningless to argue that Kuran got all its stuff from Bible. They both are fake.
I am pleased to see the word story is mentioned several times!
Amazing - even Mods follow the Turkish tradition of not being able to take criticism
Nice comments LL! Would love to describe the "Mods" in a similarly metophoric way, but I am sure it would be deemed unacceptable! One rule for you, another for us it seems ......
I have no wish to "do better" - I am commenting about over-moderating, which kills discussion. Catwoman seems to take a much more tolerant attitude to it and allows topics to "breathe".
Haha! What you don´t like a bit of good old fashioned British humour?!! You can describe the mods as you like, in fact I think you already have somewhere!
I love argos..I always get my underwear from them..cheap yet sexy
Sexy? In whose opinion, before I start bartering for the pics! Please, no string vests, all that hair poking through would not do my headache any good!
What in the world is Argos?lol, is it like a flea market or bazaare or what in the world????I never knew there were so many people here from the Uk lol!!!!!
It is certainly bazzar and yes, it is like a bazaar! It is like a big catalogue shop. You can buy online or you can go the the shop and choose your item from the catalgoue and buy (unseen!) and carry it home. If it is a big item you can get it delivered.
Argos is renowned in the UK for having cheap jewellry and being able to sell items cheaper than most other shops. Why not google Argos and take a look!
Excuse me LL - but what exactly are you implying!!! Are you telling me - hand on heart - that you have never bought anything from Argos??? Because I won´t believe you!
Nope! I won´t set foot in the place, on the other hand, my sister-in-law used to make the pages where she wanted things for her, her children and her husband for Christmas!
Oh I might have bought lego or toy tractors when my sons where small
Thank you!!! Although I have had a tetnous and one of the Hep vaccines.. not sure on the other ones! I will have to check with my doc I suppose. I am not looking forward to the needles though.. they really should give those out in handy pill form!
I think you are worrying unnecessarily. You are unlikely to be in contact with faeces or faecal matter or contaminated water (Hep A) - unless you are nursing; you are unlikely to be subjected to an outbreak of Hep B virus ( more likely to happen in China) or are you going to be exposed to someone bodily fluids who you don´t know? (Hep C) (Including blood transfusions).
If you have had your tetanus jabs you should be fine too, not planning on rose pruning or gardening are you?
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Cheap ticket..New line..I am sure lots of member will interested in with this new..I wish I had a
friend from UK..
Thank you for this! To get the cheapest flights you need to book early with EasyJet. And Gatwick is easier for me too - now I need a find a good excuse to come to Istanbul again
What´s wrong with a St Christopher? It´s hardly a major religious symbol in Christianity is it? You might think twice about giving him a cross - but St Christopher is the patron saint of travellers and a St Christopher pendant seems a nice gift to give to someone who travels a lot - not much different to a Turkish person giving you a Nazar as a gift (and they often do!)
I think if you were a strong Roman Catholic you might have a different view! He may be a patron Saint of Travellers, but only originally in the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christian faiths.
My point was that it would not have the same meaning to a Muslim as it would to a Christian. If I was looking for a gift of this nature I would try and find something that is relevant to the persons culture, faith (if they are believers), country etc etc
Hi All. Would a muslim be offended if i gave a St.Christopher pendant as a gift? The person is Turkish by the way. Do other religions recognise Patron Saints ?
Maybe a silly question but i really dont want to offend anyone or their beliefs, by giving this as a gift, if its not the done thing to do
Any advice,thoughts or comments on this would be most appreciated.
Janette
Why would you give a Muslim a Christian related symbol? Would they understand the relevance of it? I would be very careful about giving anyone a religious symbol, I personally would not like it unless that person was very close to me. I would feel that the person is trying to push their religion onto me.
But it would be better to get opinions from Turks on this.
I would have answered this earlier but the whole Muğla area has had ınternet problems for the last 2 days.
Ros has had pm´s so many times we have lost count.
Half means 50% or 10/20. I just checked my last 20 posts - most were translation related - 4 related to being a mod - 1 to Trudy and 3 to Roswitha. One other was to let people know that I had not deleted Sam1´s post. I´m sorry if you think this is excessive moderating - obviously people don´t want to read these posts, they would much rather have time to read endless posts from The Train People.
Modify: Trudy just informed me that she thought my post to her was humour and nothing to do with moderating - so make that 3/20!
The train people! Well let me describe them to you!
The are incredibly childish tribe of small people who live in an old disused railway carriage. They have a stack of train spotting magazines in one corner, (needed to stand on when reaching the sink, or kitchen stove) complete with a brass rubbing of a famous trains name plaque "The Flying Scotsman". In another corner they have a little pile of coal, ready to make a little fire to send their respective trains puffing along with more nonsense. Because they are so small they are difficult to control and they actually live in their own little fantasy world where steam is very important. Ohhhhh and they seem to be able to produce an incredible amount of steam.
And as for those complaining about the moderating, I guess you could all do so much better.......................... but of course, you would need some training!
I don´t know about what caught my eye, rather I would like to catch someones eye ...................................................... with my fist But I need some training first
a year ago he offered me to marry him .. . one year we were talking about how we will live, how we will merry, how we will be happy and both were waiting for this ... now, when time came to do something ... he is saying that he will not merry ... everybody knows ... his side and mine ... and nobody pushed him to offer marriege ... we have age difference 5 years, I am older, plus I have a baby ... one year ago it was not a problem ... I may understand that his mother might be against and his family ... but this is his life ... plus he doesn´t want to stop our relationship ... mor then that he afraid to loose me ... I just don;t understand what he wants and how he sees our future? may be somebody can explain me what is going on? and what is better to do?
Ignore the dick heads!
Sadly your story is nothing unusual, so my advice is to forget him and move on.
Just read the "Kite Runner" and "A Thousand Splendid Suns" back to back. What brilliant books to read, albeit with tears in my eyes, especially the Kite Runner, which I found the far more emotional book. I think the Thousand Splendid Suns is a little more predictable which takes the sting out of the emotional bits.
hey so i have another sentence that needs dephrasing.....
nin artik hic bisi hissetmemesi garip.
i think its a simple statment but im not sure...and im pretty sure that it may be written in slang, the words may not be spelled correctly...could i maybe get a exact translation plz? thnks
Quick question, where does the word "dephrasing" come from?
I don´t know how relevant this is but we can´t talk about gender equality here in TC either. Remember that all the active mods are females. One might claim that sex has never been a factor with regard to moderator selections. Others may add males mods were also given chances in the past too. If your view is one of a sexist regardless of what kind, you will inevitably become irritated by the fact that you are a member of a community run by females. You see the world the way you want to see it.
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Uhmm right you are! the gender mix with mods, in fact the whole site is a little female orientated! Is that anything to do the with scientific "fact" that women use more words in conversation than men? OK, Ok I am dodging the knives
barack obama looks like a janitor and if he win the elections, the theory of the stupidity of american (bed american as u say? eh?) will be justified as well. to my mind, both mccain and obama are the same puppets. they are the servants of the big financial groups including bilderberg (david rockefeller etc...). no way to change.
Well, well, well! I have to admit, I agree with everyword you are saying! You can see the strings attached to them, just like in the Thunderbirds! Oh did I mention the Thunderbirds? I feel sorry for America if this is the only "drips" that are going to get into power and lead the "most powerful country" in the world....................
Sadly Clinton made the biggest mistake for Obama with his speach, did he forget that he was supposed to be supporting Obama? Uhmm I think he did, and was he everso slightly drunk? I think he may have been!
Dear Thehandsom, As you can see from my profile, I wont be here until the 8th of September. And as you know, I dont trust any of the mods here, therefore, I decided to pass my admin duties to you.. User credentials you need to use are: username: ******** password: *********** I trust you thehandsom (as I have always did) and I am sure you will do a perfect job as an admin in my absence..
as you have all seen the pm..I am NOW ´the acting admin´ here..
ok..here are a few changes i can think of for the time being..
Oh, what have I missed?
My hairy, tell me this is real. I will skip reading all the posts down here...just tell me, can I upload my old time pictures, my dear?
Don´t be duped dear Ninja! It is a masterplan of the hairy´s to get as many msn address as he possibly can - he is a virtual dudu, so beware and take care!
we, the men, are the kings of the world. no way. that´s why, all the women must accept this fact. no way again. women always need us for accumulating interest.
Had a sense of humourectomy? without women you would have had to find another profession
Although I think the article is a bit exaggerated (as journalists do) it has some truths to it. Turkish people are VERY hospital and yes there are snobs around too, extreme snobs. But hey if we were all the same how boring would that be !
guyz i am not good at history (or geography) .but i wanted to ask turkey is in europe or in asia?
Ooooo! I am surprised you have not had a barrage of abuse for this one! Turkey is part in Europe and mostly in Asia. The split is at the Bosphorus which runs through Istanbul from the Marmara Sea to the Black Sea (or the other way - not sure which way the water flows!)
Personally I am not to flushed about which style I use so long as it is clean! But I must say, the flushing, washing and drying options that Japan have sound wonderful
A perfectly good article, and here we go again nit-picking the precious grammatical terms used in what everybody thinks a person´s intended or unintended meaning meant for 2 or 3 pages. This seems to happen all the time.
Perhaps I am completely dumb, I don´t often pick up on so called unintended meanings - it seems pretty obvious that all is requested is simply a thought or opinion from Ros on her own posting, there was no criticism of Ros, or the article, just a request for Ros´s idea - which she gave (Thanks Ros).
Why is it that so many posts here go off on tennis matches against so called misunderstandings and nit-pickings!
Agree! Is it game set and match yet? Not sure who has come out the winner, or maybe the game is not yet over. But I too enjoyed the article as this is the experience I have had with all but a few turkish people.
And as for Tami (I can never remember the whole of your nic, sorry!) .......... Ros is not being sarcastic, you obviously don´t know her well enough yet! You should stop being so sensitive and always thinking that we are always critising or being sarcastic about Turkey!
And we know it does! Because she has been asking for translations of parts of a letter for the last couple of weeks - and it is pretty clear it´s not her letter!!!
But not to me, as I have difficultly in keeping up, not being a regular TCer! So like that then I agree it is wrong to translate but perhaps it would have been better in a PM.
That is why I am a minor mod and not an average mod
I was just waiting to see how long the average mods here would respond to this. Didn´t take too long.. I´ts tough being super mods but someone has to do it. I will say since thehandsom has been in reign, my emotion button has suddenly starting working again. Thanks for fixing this thehandsom...
Phew!!! At least I was not the first! Assuming I am now an average mod, and not a minor mod of course.
Hehe, then it´s good That´s what I am looking for as well.
I have already found a subject that interests me (in my condition you don´t choose the subject you are going to study, the profs offer you their subjects to work with) the only thing I have to do is making an application and then waiting their reply.The money issue is one of my concerns, but as well moving to a new country...
But the subject must be one you have studied to BSc or MSc or be familiar with if you are choosing a science? Not sure how it all works!
I seriously doubt it...but I can see that his joke was enough to ruffle a few moderator´s feathers.
It must be the talk of the Moderators´ Forum
With mods/admin on holiday, we are discussing this by email of course, as we like to keep in regular contact and will not let any misdemeanour go without some sort of admonishment. I am sitting on a Norfolk beach wind howling through my hair, with my laptop covered in sand,............................ just to keep up with TLC goings ons!
I´m not passing an opinion about the "ethics" of it, but it´s possible Afel thinks CA has got her hands on the details of a private conversation that wasn´t meant for her eyes. Perhaps Afel thinks she has no right to learn the content of it because she wasn´t involved in it and the two people involved don´t know she has the details.
I guess only Afel can tell us what he/she really meant.
From his response I would say the same. Perhap he thinks the content of the letter or email belongs between two other people.
There´re fulltime and parttime PhDs in the UK. During the part-time you can do a job as well, but then it lasts 6 to 8 years and during a fulltime PhD, you cannot have a job besides. Doing a PhD requires a lot of time and effort, and that´s why I find 10,000 pounds not enough because what you are doing is a fulltime research and it´s like a real job. Especially in scientific domains because you help the universities and companies to develop new drugs etc. In return you are paid less than a lowest salary. I think one deserves more for it.
My nephew is studying his science doctorate at Nottingham uni and he gets around £12,000 per year and on that he manages to live, eat, get very drunk on a regular basis, go to concerts, goes on holiday, buys clothes and sometimes buys soap to wash
Best thing is to chose the subject first then see which unis offer the PHd´s
Uhmm whilst I have been having a life this weekend, I see thehandsom has got a little out of hand, and I do believe that some of you actually believe him.
Well I can assure you all (as a minor mod!) that I will be spending some time tonight thinking up some appropriate punishment (for him!) and will be considering ways to deliver it
I left my new born son outside the village shop - he was about 4 weeks old. I totally forgot I had had a child. Mind you, I did not get far before someone was running after me with the pram.
Hi there. I´m an Arab girl, and I´d like to ask about getting married to a Turkish guy. How do you do it there? Is it allowed to get married to a foreign girl? And does it cost an arm and a leg? I mean is it expensive for a guy? And how will my life be if I decided to live there with him? Do you have Turkish schools to teach Turkish language in Turkey? And is Turkey a safe country to live in as a foreigner?
Thanks in advance
Cost an arm and a leg! Nice English phrase and some interesting questions you are asking!
There you go, 70% is nurture - so if you keep on banging onto women that they are sex objects, are you surprised that they end up objectifying themselves? I am really shocked that you put NO blame on the culture! You just put the entire responsibility for this mentality on the indivituals. People behave very differently from culture to culture, therefore.... the culture is to be blamed!
Who is responsible for "the culture" - this is a complex question! You can´t say one thing or another. Cultures change over time in a fluid way, you do not notice these changes in individuals, for each individual, what she/he believs seems to be "natural". 50 years ago a woman had no right in England to have a credit card on her own and if 100 years ago a woman was burnt alive for "provoking a man" (=witchcraft), many women also thought it was right! This woman hating did not magically disappear these days, it just changed its form to more subtle ways that can be manufactured and sold by capitalism. Do you think that the massive objectification, increasingly more pornographic media on a daily basis do not affect girls since very early?
Look, the fact is that at this point the culture has a certain dominant ideology and all men and women are influenced by it. So even women who work in some places, especially when they are paid to write very specific articles, of course they will write these things - it will not occur to them as somehting outrageous. It takes courage to oppose the dominant ideology that you´ve been raised with and that being all you´ve ever seen. Similarly to people who grew up in an islamic country leaving Islam!
There is this common bullshit line sold by capitalists saying that capitalism only offers ´goods´, and you are ´free to choose´ not to buy them. Sounds pretty convincing, doesn´t it?
The bottom line is that we live in a male dominant culture, men still own the majority of everything (like 80-90%!). And, male dominant ideological foundation is the foundation of our countries. That means that some beliefs are still rooted in people that are beneficial to men and harmful to women. This ideological foundation is being continuously perpetuated by our media, by pornography, by the kind of culture we live in, by the way things are set up. In a way, men are also ´victims´ of this system, as many normal men end up having misogynistic attitudes after being raised in this system. However, once they become callous enough, they learn to like it, because it´s to their easy benefit.
Sorry I dont have time to write a lengthy prose in repsonse to you, but I did mention culture and I agree it does change over time, therefore peoples behaviour changes. But I stand by the fact that people can make their own decisions about their behaviour, whether it be a woman who dresses and acts inappropriately or whether it be a man thinking he can behave a certain way because a women has acted or dressed in the certain way.
There are many facets to culture and the way it develops over time and people are repsonsible for those changes, man or woman.
I see this initial post has caused quite a response and being a busy lady, I once again missed have trouble in catching up.
You already know Catwoman, that I do not blame men for all ills in the world, not having strong feminist views.
I agree with you. But.... even when a woman is wearing skirts just above or below the knee, a pantalon/jeans, a not tight shirt/sweater/dress, a shirt with normal neck-line etcetera, she still gets in many situations unwanted and sometimes very rude comment. What should she do? Whose ´fault´ is that?
Well I for one would make a rude comment back! No it is not her fault but I am talking about women who willingly show off their undies, breasts, and even more, in public!
Libralady, how is this event that you mentioned different from Turks in Germany not speaking German and causing crime? You said that the government did not help them to integrate, therefore they cannot solely be blamed for their situation. But here, you do not acknowledge the influence of patriarchy on how women learn to see their own sexuality. How is it different? Even if you acknowledge the influence of nuture and nurture as 50/50, then you have at least 50% of the blame for this behavior on the objectification of women in the culture. Do you think that commodification of women´s bodies on a daily basis will not affect how women learn to view their own sexuality?
For a start, I think the nature/nurture statistic you have quote is a little high and is more like 30/70% nature /nurture. (nurture being what is learned in life)
I can only talk about the UK and what I consider to be the reasons.
I am not sure who is to blame for the objectification of women in my culture, but I know you are going to say that it is all down to men! I blame the media (magazines, TV etc) and the breakdown of the social structure. Men run magazines therefore objectify women, but there are plenty of women editors out there to who also obejctify women and to some extents are probably worse.
What I am talking about above is how willing women are to objectify themselves. You can make a decision
"I will wear a skirt that shows my knickers" "I won´t wear a skirt that shows my knickers"
"I will swear when I communicate" "I wont use swearing when I communicate"
"I will gladly wear a stupid t shirts that tells everyone I am willing to provide a sexual service"
"I will not wear a stupid t shirts that tells everyone I am willing to provide a sexual service"
To me this sort of thing is up to the individual to make the choice and that is up to them. But this sort of behaviour makes women more vulnerable, it is something I find embarassing.
I dont really know how to answer your question, but I gather you think it is ok to flash your knickers or your breast to anyone willing to watch? I don´t think so, no more than it is acceptable for men to flash their D**ks in public. They would be arrested for indecent exposure but I have never heard of a women being arrested for the same offence for baring her breasts in public (and I dont mean on a beach!)
As for women learning how to view their bodies, there is a choice! And that choice as far as I am concerned it is about decency and decorum!
For those of you who are in my address book, I seem to somehow sent everyone I know an invitation to YAARI! Not sure how it happened as I did not send any out. I received a similar request and opened it. That seemed to trigger off invitations to every single person in my address books (3 different email accounts).
Appologies and please ignore it.
Seems like a very underhanded way of getting a big membership.
Went to the V Festival yesterday and I saw my favourite band (amongst others) MUSE! They were brilliant!!!!! Got home at 3:00am this morning after being the designated mini bus driver
I agree also. Recent reports suggest that good time girls visiting Mediterranean resorts are more likely to be raped by fellow Britons than locals.
I really am not surprised! I went to the V festival yesteday and witnessed things that would make your hair curl! Women with things written on sicky cards, attached to themselves advertising "their services" for very nominal sums of money, all meant to be fun, but for some the wrong impression is given and how far should fun go? They really do give us women a bad name!!!!
A very old topic, but while reading a book a question popped up, so I got this one up. I know many women in Turkey (other countries too?) have a ´Brazilian wax´ but what I didn´t know and what was in the book is that many of them ´design´ their pubic hair with models of flowers, the first letter of the name of their husband etc. Is that really true?
Thank you Trudy! I knew this thread existed but I could never find it!
I have no idea why people are so discriminatory against dudus. the reality is crappy women hook up with crappy men. That`s so simple.
100% in agreement there! If there were no goods (women) there would be no demand (men)! If women drop their undies at the slightest compliment then sorry, but they only have themselves to blame! There is a saying, I have mentioned it more than once, relating to women who go to Turkey on holiday (singles) "Leave you brain at the airport and pick up on the way back" My opinion is that women from my country have created this phenomenon of the Dudu
What turns you on 1) creatively, 2) spiritually or 3)emotionally? 1) positive emotion 2) nothing 3) excitement
What turns you off 1) creatively, 2) spiritually or 3) emotionally? 1)negative emotion 2) hypocrites 3) anger
What sound or noise do you love? The dawn chorus (birds singing when they wake up)
What sound or noise do you hate? Babies crying
What is your favourite curse word? Bollocks
What profession other than your own would you like to attempt? Anthropologist/explorer
What profession would you not like to do? Anything monotonous, i.e. checkout in supermarket
If Heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates? Hey I really exist, do you like my big white beard and my fluffy cloud?!
Strangely enough, the *MAN* (Johann Hari) who wrote the article is a self-described "anti-theist" (see http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=540 ).
The points raised are typical of Western critiques of Islam. We´ve heard them all before, and we will continue to hear them.
I support the right to publish clap-trap books and articles such as these, just as I support the right of Nazis and morons to publish their malignant and stupid hate-filled BS.
But that doesn´t mean I have to respect it.
Ooops! How to be deceived by a photo! I have the Independent regularly and I always thought that he was a woman, purely by the photo and way "he" wrote, in a very feminine fashion.
I find it curious that so many Christians are willing to point out splinters but miss the logs in their own eyes. Willing to cast the first stone, despite claiming they *do* have some blame.
But then, post-Christian Liberal Democratic Globalized Capitalism has removed all racism, sexism, poverty, unemployment, warfare, spiritual void, etc. from the Western World. We´ve got no problems here, so we might as well criticize and critique other backward-ass cultures, right?
Strangely enough the woman who wrote the article is Muslim.
She has raised some very good points in a non-confrontational way. Her writing is usually very well balanced and I for one am a fan of her articles.
I received your sms.. it is so frustrating for us not being able to talk/text..Please come back before september..I am always good..I miss you too. x
Thehandsom
So what happened to your warm welcoming committee? You decided to become cheeky instead? You could not have noticed the different in spelling.................. her post started "Hello Handsome" not "Hello thehansom"
This is horrific!!! Rather than security I would say they need a Health & Safety investgation. There must have been something dreadfully wrong with the insulation of the machine or the wiring was exposed. Obviously very dangerous equipment. In the UK the owner of the club would be charged with manslaughter.
Oooops! The little girl singing at the opening ceremony was miming (no never!) and the little girl who was actually singing, was sadly, not pretty enough to be on television. I feel so sorry for her. But at least she has got some recognition now and the marketing people (or who ever made the decision now have egg on their faces!) and with face being so important in China, I am sure there will one or two sorry faces.
If we get caught over the drink and drive limit, we would loose our license for at least 12 months, sometimes 24 months. But then we also have these things now, if you get caught speeding then you can go on a speeding awareness course (not free!) and reduce your penalties. The same with drink drive, you can take a drink awarenss course too. But our penalites are never quie so straightforward. We do have fixed penalities, but then depending if you have to go to court or not, can be variable.
How many times has London hosted the Games? Now, it doesn´t sound fair, does it!?
Re: money, building all new facilities (giant stadiums, pools, corts, villages) is not cheap.
London does not need to worry about the finances, London has it all.
Bejing deserves a chance of hosting the Games in spite of all criticisms.
London has hosted tha games twice, and the marathon distance was set in London so that it stopped right in front of the royal box.
I am impressed with the work that has been done on the Olympics in China, but ...... there is a big but, China must sort out it´s human rights issues. But whilst the West invest heavily in China then nothing will change. No one is critising the people who lie there, but it is the government that needs to get change its way. Chariman Mao died long ago!
Thanks for this information! Very helpful What sort of penalities would you get if you got caught driving illegally or over the drink/drive limit? Or would a quick bribe do the trick?
You don´t watch Big Brother then..There is a girl named Libra on it and she´s a lady. Any relation?
Sssssstttt! It´s our LL! (But you promised not to tell...!!)
Oh darn it cats out of the bag. She was trying so hard to hide her British accent. Now I´m afraid she has stirred up alot in the big brother house, I´m afraid she might be evicted next..
I think I am beyong being called a "girl" so I will take that as a compliment and I should have put that in the thread "what do you hate " BIG BROTHER!!
A row of numbers are also lucky in Russia! For instance, couples got married on 070707, not sure how many it was but many had already filed for divorce a year later. They expect the same rush of marriages on 080808 too!
Man with 86 wifesis advising other men not to take his lead! I am not suprised! How can any country in the 21st century condone such behaviour. Words escape me...................
haha
But look at the comments from the wives..
They seem jolly and happy "When you marry a man with 86 wives you know he knows how to look after them"
If they are all capable, he would have sex with each one of them 4.2 times a year, as long as he could manage it!
You know how this came about? Ther person who they are really after is the spitting image of Robbie Coltraine and because of some ridiculous privacy law, they cannot post the actual photo of the criminal in question. So good ol´ Robbie gets a bit of pulicity!
We had a tour guide in Oludeniz who was married to a Russian girl and he told us that the Russians are tight fisted and alway book the all inclusive hotels, and then don´t spend any more!
Makes a change to hear of another nationality becoming a nusiance on holiday, other than "Brits Abroad"
Oh and I just remembered the Russians paragliding at night and the Turkish paragliders were having nightmares in case they killed themselves. They paraglided with torches.
Man with 86 wifesis advising other men not to take his lead! I am not suprised! How can any country in the 21st century condone such behaviour. Words escape me...................
The same has happen in England, migrant are more or less expected to come and fill the labour shortage gaps and low and behold they (the Government) withdraw funding for ESOL. So the migrant on a low income cannot afford to pay for language classes. How you can say demand I am not sure, someone has to pay for the classes, they are not free, and they are not always easy to access. Not everyone has access to computers or further education colleges. Books are not cheap, and the low earning jobs are usually long hours, leaving little time for study.
Well, I have to disagree that this is common across the UK. The colleges I work with still provide free ESOL because they must according to government rulings.
What about the library - books, computers, and more are free of charge. Many many towns and cities have public libraries with full time staff on hand to help.
The UK has a super adult education system where many of the cities or towns secondary schools open in the evening from 7pm to 9pm and provide often about 200 courses at each centre and hundreds of thousands across the UK, anything ranging from any language courses, gardening programmes, accountancy & auditing, English language, literature music, trampolining, wood work, cooking, computer programme, microsoft programmes teaching etc... and very often 1 term being September to December or Januay to May are about 40 or 50 pounds for the whole term. That is not expensive. Click through the links and see what types of courses are available. Thousands!
I know quite a few Turkish people working in the UK earning 6 pounds per hour in hospitality. Of the many I know, I have not yet met one who is actually on minimum salary. OK 6 pounds per hour may not be much but it is still not minimum salary and is still more that benefits.
There is no excuse for racism by English folk against others, but there are many cases where newcomers do not and refuse to integrate because they don´t think they should have to - it is still no excuse for racism.
I think there are those who take their opportunities to integrate and make use of opportunities and there are those who can´t be bothered too. I also don´t think this will change! But I don´t think it is fair to say their difficulties are across the board and immigrants are having such an awful time!
As Tamik said - exactly the same can be said for the Brits who don´t bother to learn Turkish who live here. They stay in groups and communities particularly in the south and aegean coastal regions. It is not a good representation of the Brits and those Brits who do genuinely try to integrate very hard. But again not all Brits are the same!
No nationalities, ethnic group or immigrant are the same. But I won´t say that all are victims, this is just not true. You can only ring the "I´m a victim bell" for so long and that goes for any group, any where.
I agree with what you are saying, and I am not defending those who can´t be bothered to learn the host language, but believe me, things are not quite as you put it and there are many factors involved. Firstly you have to be able to get to a library and college!
And I can provide you with reports on how migrant workers are abused, just look at the TUC or UCATT websites or Joseph Rowntree, IPPR etc etc. I belong to a Vulnerable Workers forum, of which migrants are included, and I can confirm some workers go home with no pay after paying the unscrupulous boss (usually agencies) for housing, transport, food, clothing, and anything else they can conjure up.
I am also on ESOL development groups, but those classes will not be free.
Another factor, our bosses are keen to take on migrants but are not so keen when it comes to assisting them in integration.
What is your view about the Olympics in Beijing?
Personally I will make my own silent protest by not watching a single part of it (especially the opening and closing ceremonies)
would you do the same thing if the olympics were to be held in your country, considering the human right abuses of the British government in Iraq?
That is why sport cannot be held at ransome with protests about this that and the other abuse. These sports men and women do not deserve it. The Olympics will be held in London in 2012 and I suspect by that time, we will have seen more bombings in our country and we will be on high alert. Everyone will be afraid to come to London.
The problems are between goverments, coluding, and it is they that must sort out the political mess, not the Olympics.
well i dont need to look at the link to know what it means trudy. what you and your dear friends wrote in your posts were fascist for me. fascism or such things are relative concepts. not like 2+2=4..anyway i reccomend you to read some books about 60s and 70s economy instead of stupid wikipedia.
I still don´t know what is wrong with saying that after a certain time one must and can expect from immigrants that they need to adept at least a little into that new country. If I would come to Turkey, it would be only logical to me that locals would expect (even demand!) that after ten years I speak the language, that I wouldn´t expect everything to be as in my own country. So if anyone can expect that from me, why can´t I do the same otherwise around? And no, I never said that there aren´t immigrants with many difficulties or who face discrimination. I only say that not all do that and that I expect some own responsibility for their own life. If thinking that makes me a fascist, so be it.
There is a difference here. Germany invited the Turks therefore should have provided some assistance to learn the language, and to help those who came to integrate. From my experience this was not the case.
The same has happen in England, migrant are more or less expected to come and fill the labour shortage gaps and low and behold they (the Government) withdraw funding for ESOL. So the migrant on a low income cannot afford to pay for language classes. How you can say demand I am not sure, someone has to pay for the classes, they are not free, and they are not always easy to access. Not everyone has access to computers or further education colleges. Books are not cheap, and the low earning jobs are usually long hours, leaving little time for study.
I agree that effort has to be made on the part of the migrant, but if someone chooses to go to a country then they should be the ones to make the effort to learn the language.
Migration is an economic solution to a country´s labour shortage problem, and migrants fill those jobs that the idigenous workforce are not interested in. In the UK it is agriculture and hospitality and I guess much the same for other European countries. In London 60% of all hospitality workers are not of British origin. Low pay, cold, wet, long hours, unsociable hours, poor conditions etc etc
It is a far more complex situation than is being discussed or argued about here.
THE GUINEA PIG GAMES 2009
...a new calendar maintain that some animals are also getting in on the action . In what will rival the main event in Beijing the Guinea Pig Games have been captured on film and reveal the furry rodents bid for medal glory . The two sporty little individuals called Bandit and Ginger...
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Fantastic trick photography - nearly as good as my bee on a thistle!
I know a few German Turks who are well-educated and run their own companies. Saying that the country doesn´t give them equal chances is nonsense. In Germany there´s compulsory education at least until the age of 16 I think. If you´re unable to learn to speak the language with native-like fluency attending 10 years of school then it is just your fault.
The thing is, it all depends what your background predestines you to make of your future. If your parents see no point of education but would rather have you earn money at 18 then is it the country´s fault that instead of learning you get a low-paid job? Let´s not forget that a low pay in Germany is enough to make a living. If you marry at 18 because there´s a child on the way you´re eligible for child support benefit that gets respectively higher with every child. Is it the government´s fault that people with low incomes have a lot of children and then apply for bigger allowances? No. I understand that it´s hard to be a first or second generation of immigrants, especially if you don´t know the language. But there´s nothing justifying lack of success of the fourth generation.
Exactly! Great post, Daydreamer.
And for those who find it hard to believe that there is something like own responsibility, I´ll give an example: in my class I have a man from Afghanistan, now in the country for 10 years. He claims to have university education in his own country, that he was an English teacher overthere, though he hardly speaks any English. He´s been in my class for 3,5 years now (during working hours, paid by his boss!) and he still cannot say a simple sentence without mistakes. When I ask him if he reads newspapers, watches tv in Dutch or go to the library, he says no. No time he says and no interest, he watches Arab tv by satellite. Still, he accuses the government of his poverty (he has 8 children! - and gets quite some child support) but any effort made by himself has not been made to improve his circumstances. He only thinks he´s a victim of the Taliban and that because he´s a refugee the government should pamper him. Well, I disagree with that. And I think there are many more cases like that, in any country so also in Germany.
Great posts by the two of you...
Crap and fascist posts by the three of you...
Your opinion would be welcome, not that I agree with everything above, why are they crap and fascist?
Sport should not be used as a platform for protest (by non-sports people) and I will watch as much as I can. The athletes work so hard for their shot at getting gold and they probably only get the one chance.
I abhore human rights abuses, and there are plenty in China,
(Falung Gong, Political prisioners, Laogi (forced prison labour) labour rights abuses, banned religion, banned freedom of speech, Tibet and Mongolian issues)
but it should not be aired at the Olympics. In my opinion, they should never been awarded the games in the first place, not as they did with priviso´s on improving their Human Rights.
And whats more, this makes me laugh, George Bush lecturing on Human Rights...................
In response to the initial post, I have first hand anecdotal experience about Turks in Germany from an organisation in Hamburg who have put programmes into place to assist Turks who live there, whom I have worked with.
Now who´s responsibility is it to ensure that Turks learn German? Considering these Turks were invited to Germany in the 1960 to perfom jobs that most Germans would not do, then surely it is the responsibility of the German government to ensure that these people have access to German classes and they have assistance to integrate.
Now you have 2nd and 3rd generation Turks, some of whom have very low levels of education. This does not mean they are thick. It is more to do with the fact that their parents have not learned German properly. They go to school with little or no German and therefore their education suffers because of it. Hence they cannot get into the jobs that they are probably capable of doing.
The language spoken in the home by the now 2nd and 3rd generation Turks, is known as "kitchen language" in Germany. In other words they can only speak a bit of German and they can´t speak Turkish properly either. So their conversation is limited to "kitchen conversations" causing their language skills and education levels to become lower.
That is why they adopt the enclave way of living, retaining their culture and their language.
The organisation in Hamburg has assisted many Turks through support (like a job centre) to learn German, get into decent jobs or start their own businesses and there are some very successful stories to come from this. But funds are limited with the funding for this project coming from European Social Fund.
It is OK for us to say they should get up of their arses and do something for themselves, well many have tried - some have succeeded and others have failed.
Can I kiss you for this LL? ====
First of all the immigration:
Western countries can stop immigration if they really want to.
But have you ever thought why they are not stopping it?
Do you think they are allowing people to come into their countries from the humanitarian perspective only?
The answer is " A HUGE NO "..
Because Western countries need them.
The low-salary workforce has always been the economical backbone of the growth, since some one needs to do the dirty work.
They are needed to sustain the level of eceonomy and free up the resources for growth.
In the U.S. or in the EU, lowly-paid service works are carried out by immigrants from less developed countries.
If the immigrants were not there, it would be a waste of time and money to assign educated people on labor-intensive works.
And, please, nobody should come up with idea that ´they are sucking up the benefits, they are using the things government is providing, they are making natives unemployed etc etc´.
In generic terms, each immigrant person contributes the economy more than he/she consumes.
And about the Germans and Turks..
I am sorry but they did not go there on the back of the lorry.. They were left with drums and clarions from Turkey and welcomed in Germany with the bands.
They were INVITED.
But, now of course two germany combined into one, the employment is in a shagging situation and some people turn around and think ´what are these Turks doing here?´
Sorry, but it is quite low level of morality.
Same thing applies to other western countries as well..Not only germany!!
You have won the suprise prize! Not sure what it is yet but you are the first person in my 2 1/2 years on this site that has offered to kiss me for a post! WOW
I started reading "The Kite Runner" at the weekend and I have nearly finished it today.
I was reading it on the train this morning and I had tears in my eyes and again tonight. It is a long time since I read a book that is so moving and I can´t wait to read The Thousand Splendid Suns.
I have just finished Reading the kite runner by khaled hosseini
its about 2 boys growing up in aghanistan, I saw the movie first and it was a very good interperpation of the book, a very moving story. Now I am Reading his next novel A Thousand Splendid Suns. Its about the friendship that develops between two women growing up and living in afganistan, I´m half way through it and think I need another box of tissues. Its just as heart-wrenching as his first novel.
I have these sitting in the wings, right now I am "trying" to read The Jannisary Tree but it is a bit like wading through mud - hopefully it will pick up. Fully intended to read it on holiday but the opportunity slipped me by
Thankfully the The Janissary Tree picked up and ended up an entertaining murder mystery, with the main characture being the Eunoch Yasim, who somehow managed to have sex with the Russian Ambassadors wife! Assumably he was not castrated as a child!
In response to the initial post, I have first hand anecdotal experience about Turks in Germany from an organisation in Hamburg who have put programmes into place to assist Turks who live there, whom I have worked with.
Now who´s responsibility is it to ensure that Turks learn German? Considering these Turks were invited to Germany in the 1960 to perfom jobs that most Germans would not do, then surely it is the responsibility of the German government to ensure that these people have access to German classes and they have assistance to integrate.
Now you have 2nd and 3rd generation Turks, some of whom have very low levels of education. This does not mean they are thick. It is more to do with the fact that their parents have not learned German properly. They go to school with little or no German and therefore their education suffers because of it. Hence they cannot get into the jobs that they are probably capable of doing.
The language spoken in the home by the now 2nd and 3rd generation Turks, is known as "kitchen language" in Germany. In other words they can only speak a bit of German and they can´t speak Turkish properly either. So their conversation is limited to "kitchen conversations" causing their language skills and education levels to become lower.
That is why they adopt the enclave way of living, retaining their culture and their language.
The organisation in Hamburg has assisted many Turks through support (like a job centre) to learn German, get into decent jobs or start their own businesses and there are some very successful stories to come from this. But funds are limited with the funding for this project coming from European Social Fund.
It is OK for us to say they should get up of their arses and do something for themselves, well many have tried - some have succeeded and others have failed.
That´s unbelievable! A Pole gets double life-sentence for rape in the UK while a cold-blooded murderer gets away with 9 years? The world´s gone mad!
Are you serious!? That is unbelievable...
It certainly is! When did this happen? I for one have not heard it in the news and I am sure this would have been all over the front pages of the tabloids! Most rapists in the UK get very few years, maybe 3 or 4, occasionaly they get life which means 12 or 15 and then they are free to rape again!
yes that is sad and today i saw a dead newborn´s father´s picture on web and he was carrying his baby in a cartoon diaper box and he said that he took the baby in that box from the hospital,that is what newspaper says.
Did they do an autopsy on these babies? This is so sad, don´t they have a normal burial for babies?
no info about autopsy and hospital has no burial for the baby, baby´s family will arrange the burial.i think none of those families did ask for the autopsy.
That is so sad. I would have thought that with so many, the hospital would have ordered autoposy´s on these babies to find out the REAL cause of death. What if its an epidemic? If this happened where I live, the media and the public would be going nuts demanding the cause.
Does this happen typically in Turkish Hospitals that so many babies die at once?
Normally in the UK when an unexptectd death occurs, the coronor is informed and it is normally he/she who calls for the post mortum (autopsy in American!)although families can request an autopsy if they are not satisfied. This is a awful tragedy and I must agree, some sort of investigation should be held into the deaths.
i would never ever never do make up!!! oh god the world is going crazy...i am afraid that one day the only difference between men and women will be their private parts
I am afraid that it has already happened, try Bangkok and you might not be too sure who you are kissing.........................
We are together, the story of the Agape Orphanage in South Africa. The highly aclaimed documentary was screened last night on UK TV Channel 4 and it was a very moving emotional story.
It followed, in particular, one you girl age 11 who was in the orphanage with her younger siblings. She had three older sibling who lived in the parental home. Both parent had died of AIDS and her older brother also died of AIDS whilst the documentary was being filmed. This was heatbreaking to watch, as he was carried down the hill on the back of his older sister, bringing him home from a short spell in hospital, as they could do no more for him. I guessed he would be about 20.
This incredibly moving film, showed the orphanage had burned down, and the children then had to live in the makeshift camp.
The aim of the film was for the children to come to England to sing in their choir, but this did not take place, instead they went to New York and sang with Alishia Keys and Paul Simon. They made a CD and made enough money to rebuild their orphanage.
But there is no need to ridicule women who also prefer this lifestyle.
If you are talking about Alameda, I would never ridicule her choice, if that is what it was. However, she does not support "CHOICE" and only sees one way - the traditional, role playing one. In addition, she does it in a patronising and arrogant way.
But you also believe their is no choice, be a feminist or else! And please tell me your responses are not patronising, arrogant or I will add one, insulting?
I´m not on any side. Rather I want to show you the dilemma.
The main drawback for woman in the modern world is giving birth to a child, being mother.
The woman´s body has been designed to be a mother, to care for the children, not just uterus, but with all the motherhood hormones. So, I find the claim that a father can equally raise up a child a bit weak.
The mother-to-be cannot do the same job when she gets pregnant. Forexample, me, I won´t be able to work in the chemistry lab if I get pregnant. So, maybe I have to change all my career plans, I won´t be considered for some projects, I´ll be discriminated.
Or, you cannot do the same heavy job, you cannot lift stuff etc that man can do either. And after you give birth, you need to rest. And you have to breastfeed your child, there are some who even advice to breastfeed till 3 years old. Can a man breastfeed?
Could you claim that a father can equally raise up a child till the age of 3-4 the way a mother raises up? It´s not about knowing how to cook and feed. The baby have developped in the mother´s womb, and he has special attachment to his mother.
So, in my opinion, it was not for nothing, if for thousands of years woman stayed at home and cared for the children. Now, the time has changed, and woman can work as well, and has to earn her own money, but before we attack the traditional opinions, we have to ask why it has been so, and what will be the consequences if we totally refuse the traditional family structure.
I like your long analogy! I am old fashioned in the respect of bringing up children, and more than anything I would never let anyone bring my children up. My husband hardly knew which end of the child was which, let alone be responsible for them all day!
This is an arguement that will roll on and on, view points differ and thank goodness they do. We cannot all agree and we are not all right. The most important thing is that you are happy with your lot, and you should have the freedom (man or woman) to make the choices in life that you want, without being condemmed for those decisions. In addition, people should not be condemmed for their viewpoints either.
-- first of all, porn does not spice up sex life. ok, maybe it does - in a similar way as alcohol, or cocaine may spice up a relationship. however, the alcohol - porn comparison is not quite accurate because men and women are not depicted the same way in porn. pornography depicts females in a degraded, submissive, dominated way and the females often suffer in porn - so that the male can have some sadistic ´fun´. females in porn don´t experience any pleasure, so to say that women like porn is like saying that women like to be raped and abused. no healthy woman would freely like to watch the mainstream porn. it is only about male fantasy of dominance and sexual abuse.
-- some women may watch porn, but the fact is that most women who do, report that they felt pressured and/or intimidated to do so. it is a fact that pornography leads to lower self-esteem, much more serious then usual body image problems, depression.
-- pornography does not exist in a vacuum and is not a product of people´s creativity. it is an industrial product, a product of misogyny and hatred of women. it is a disgusting and ugly expression of sexuality - sexuality where a woman is a piece of meat that the man can cum in the mouth of, can penetrate anally, can give her any amount of pain he wants. these men call women "three orifices" - that´s exactly what women mean to these men.
-- we live in a patriarchal, sexist culture, where women are not valued as full human beings, but mainly for their appearance. in this culture boys are socialized from a very early age to identify their sexuality with objectification of women. once you justify objectification (dehumanization), a lot of cruel and appalling products can be possible to watch and ´enjoy´. so a lot of ´normal´ men can watch porn and not be considered perverted or sick, because our culture accepts as normal at least some level of perversion and disrespecting female bodies.
-- it is wrong to say that pornography has no effect on a person. of course it does. there are countless of examples. it is not a sole factor, but it is a very big one. men who view pornography report that monogamous relationships are not normal or natural, they say that rape is not a crime, it is an acceptable act, they cease being satisfied with sex with a ´normal´ woman and it may even progress to not wanting any sex with a real person at all, it leads to sexual dysfunction... and many others.
-- i am not even going to get into the practices of the industry itself....
I think the concensious of opinion from the women here is that they are comfortable with porn. I agree than in some cases intimidation (into watching and performing)is a factor. But please dont tell me that the industry is full of women who are not enjoying what they are doing or what they are getting paid for doing it.
Anyone who is into drugs, sorry that is their problem and they need not get into the situation and resort to porn as a way out.
It would be quite interesting to know where your sources of research come from and who carried it out and what the methodology used, what the control group consisted of or cross section of women/men it was carried out on.
I don´t doubt that porn can be a factor in some rape cases or abuse in the home, but not all or even not most. I do think that the argument here is on the extreme and one that has been broached here before!
excuse me but since when did women have babies without them?!
You suprise me................ Since you can buy sperm on the internet or get from a sperm bank and insert it using a chicken baster! More like League of Gentlemen than the Waltons.............. the child that is
teaschip, sorry I dont agree with you that he feels unsatisfied, in most cases it has nothing to do with a partner, and them being inadequate in anyway. Thats like saying your man started smoking crack because you were boring.
Exactly, it has absolutely nothing to do with ´satisfaction´ in the relationship. It really is like a drug, it fits all the criteria of it - one wants more with time, one doesn´t get satisfied with previous doses of the drug, it leads to addiction... etc.
So tell me why do couples watch porn? Isn´t it to spice their sex life up? How is the motivating factor any different for only men.
Teas, you are right and why are there so many "dating" sites where swapping and porn is the main factor? Because people enjoy it, but many women are afraid to admit it.
I think there is a bit of voyeurism in all of us. And what about the sites where ordinary people can post their own "action" videos or perform on webcam? In my opinion the more we get hung about something the worse it gets.
I´ve just thought of something - do you need to meet special criteria if you want to use a sperm bank or can anybody do it if they want to? I´ve heard that adoption process is quite long and the parents-to-be environment is carefully scrutinised before they´re granted the right to adopt a child. Is it the same with sperm banks? If not then it´s a pretty dangerous thing as you never know who will get the sperm or what will happen to life thus started. Also, it´s petty discriminatory for guys as although women can have a child on their own, they cannot.
Well I think of it like this, I would want to know the father and have enjoyed the process
Anyone else who has ideas because the ones given were not exactly what I´m looking for. I found a nice place in Turgutreis (Hotel La Blanche) but I´d like to have some choice. Thanks for your help in advance.
I know there is one or two in Bitez. I have just been there for a week. It is a peaceful town, and easy to get around if you have mobility problems. The hotel I am thinking about is right on the beach front, and the dolums stop nearby. I will try and find out about it and let you know.
I agree with Meltem and Libralady here. That he was watching porn doesn´t mean he´s a pervert, just like having a beer every now and then doesn´t make you an alcoholic.
As for sperm banks, I do appreciate their role as institutions helping people with fertility problems, yet, I´d never rate them higher than reproducing with a partner the traditional way.
Sorry I should have mentioned that the sperm bank thing for single women just to satify a desire to have a child.
Let´s look at it the positive way. Now, you know your husband a little bit better. I think it´s not worth worrying a lot. I don´t think you can ban an adult to do something either. The only thing you can do is to show that you are not happy with it, and later in a friendly way you can ask him more about it, like why he did it.
And for the future, I hope you won´t need to discover more to know more about him!
I am with you on this one! Perhaps he was afraid to mention it because he knew what the response would be .................... and the sperm bank thing too! What problems this stores up!
1) the child will never know who its father is
2) the child will never know who its siblings are
3) the child has no say in the matter
4) the child could well end up marrying one of its siblings
Yes,and actually we ´some members´ try to talk him out of it.
İf he wants to leave because he got bored,its ok,its his choice,but if he wanted to leave because he feels he was a joke material here,then i believe its not a nice thing!
İf you consider those are jokes then some people have sense humore and may accept them,and some people dont
And i believe we should respect that !
God knows i for one wont accept it those kind JOKES ,and im sure many wont too!
But we have better command of the language to stop it !
Again I agree with you Canli (becoming a habit I feel!!) anyway, I believe he did get fed up with being the centre of ridicule at some of his posts, it appears that one or two misplaced comments by him was enough to warrant this. But as he told me, he needs to focus on what is important in his life. I for one wish him all the best.
I completely agree with Canli and Lady in Red. The jokes are harmless and mean nothing personal. You did nothing wrong Yilgun, so please don´t take this personally. There are always people who are happy to see you around.
I sort of agree, the jokes are meant to be harmless, but I think that sometimes people don´t know when they have gone to far and jokes become insulting and offensive.
Daydreamer, you made me think, 30 years ago today I gave birth to my oldest son and I had been in hospital 3 months already by that time!
Funny thing I looked at the clock today at 2:30 and remembered, it was the time he was delivered. I remember going under the anaesthetic, seeing the lights spinning above my head, and in those lights was a man and two boys. I remember coming round and seeing this tiny little thing in a incubator, and thinking, it can´t be mine, it is yellow (the lights made him yellow) and too small!
Today, that tiny little baby is 185cm, and as strong as any man I know.
P.M.S.L I have found some really interesting facts on toast,this ancient art of bread cooking please see the link;
http://www.thursdaynext.com/toast.html
I rather like the stats! Mouse............ who the hell would put mouse on toast As for the rest, snooooooozzzzzzzzzeeeee........... sorry I dropped off, watching the water boil for my perfect egg
If there was a life after death, why has no-one come back to tell us? Or leave a sign?
So do you believe in love? Proove it.
Love describes a feeling but what has believing in love got to do with dinosaurs?
Nothing pertaining to dinosauras. you mentioned what you see and needing proof that God exists. I mearly pointed out how do you proove you are in love with someone? Not every thing is explainable or smack right in front of your eyes. It´s a feeling..but the question is do you believe in love?
Sorry I did not see the response - I was sort of joking about the dinosaurs! Actually I do believe in love, I have children whom I love unconditionally and that is returned. I tend to find that two adults always put some sort of condition on love, therefore I don´t fall in love easily.
On the Dolmus! How complete strangers pass their money and instructions of where they want to get off and the stranger passes back the change This I found very endearing, and how the young men get up from their seats to let older or eldery passengers take their seat. It is so socialable. What´s more, how the Dolmus driver stopped and asked us if we wanted to go to Bodrum!
A story in Wednesdays Independent showing two young Roma Gypsy girls lying dead on a beach off Naples in Italy. Holiday makers walk by oblivious, uncaring, that there are two girls that have just drowned in the sea and left on the beach for three hours. The beach remained open and people carried on sunbathing. The photo of these two girls on the beach amidst holiday makers, someone was kind enough to donate their beach towels to cover them, has shocked Italy.
The girls had been trying to sell trinkets to holiday makers with their cousin. The girls went into the sea to cool off, unable to swim, when the current pulled them and smashed them into the rocks. The cousin was able to get out and raise the alarm, but it was too late for the sisters age 13 and 15.
The moral of this story is that Roma Gypsys are hated in Italy, and the photo has shocked the nation, realising what an uncaring, unhuman act this was.
There is a band called "Şa", they have a clip some like etnic Turkish music, and some like classical... You can listen it here:
Sarı Saçlı Ela Gözlü
The video clip is amusing, somewhere between a Super Mario game and Shrek (in style that is)!
A simple Turkish breakfast that can be enjoyed by foreigners , toast is a delicious alternative to a Full English or Traditional Turkish breakfast.
First buy one of these delicious looking turkish breads (sometimes they are called francala too)
If you are in Turkey and nobody knows English around you, go to a shop and say ´bir ekmek lutfen´ . You will get one..
Slice the bread with a knife into 1 cm thick slices (you can eat the end bits separately – ends don’t toast well).
Then toast under the grill or in a toaster..
In less than 3 minutes you will have the perfect light breakfast to be enjoyed with butter and jam (or possibly lemon curd).
Afiyet olsun..
After considerable research, I have come to the conclusion that the latter picture resembles British toast, just like I had for my breakfast this morning, only I had marmite on mine......................
btw, have we had "how to boil the perfect egg" yet? Turk´s don´t seem to be able to master that one.......come on Handsom, show me how wrong I am
Then there is the colapse of Fannie May and Freddie Mack............. Yes I agree, they sound like a couple but in fact they are banks that have been hit by the credit crunch.
For the recession to be defined, the economy has to be in decline for 6 months, but here in the UK spending was up in May, but I would say that we are not far from a recession. House building is always first to be affected and there have been many layoffs.
As for America, I don´t know too much about their economy except their problems have affected the UK, and the effects knock on to other countries.
wow..
I was not expecting this..
After receiving 39 pms asking for ´knee trembling´ or ´butterflies in the stomach´ text messages, I decided to share my precious messages either by sms -so you have to give me your mobile numbers- or msn..
thehandsom - just a reminder that you are breaching forum rules by trying to obtain members´ msn addresses and telephone numbers. Please stop trying to use this site to make some friends.
I think I would have put up with it for one night. If it is something happens on a regular basis then surely it would be better to approach the man during the day time and explain your side. Just my thoughts.
We got so angry about them waking us up, shouting and breaking things. I think we would have exploded if we´d just stayed indoors and not said anything. In hindsight, I agree that we shouldn´t have done anything on this occasion but it´s easier said than done.
You´re absolutely right, correction is very important when learning a language. However, the way it is done is also important and IMO a pm would have been more appropriate in this instance. It would have helped Yilgun in the future. The thread isn´t on the translation forum.
It´s nothing but the pot calling the kettle black. You could have informed LIR about how you interpreted her post via PM too instead of provoking a five-page pointless discussion...Don´t preach what you don´t follow yourself...
This answer was also predictable, a TC classic for some. Everyone has a choice as to whether they want to engage in a pointless discussion. The minute you decide to engage in a discussion it ceases to be pointless for you (´you´ in general terms). I think I´m right in saying that LIR hasn´t posted about the topic of the thread, but then that´s her right.
And hey, we all preach what we don´t follow at one time or other.
Final resort in a TC discussion . . .accuse someone of:
* being a pot calling the kettle black
* hypocrisy
* preaching about something they are also guilty of
Btw, couldn´t you have told me all that in a pm?
No real reason for quoting above but please tell me why everyone is making such an issue of this? Yilgin is a young man learning English, please stop picking on a simple mistake and "making a mountain out of a molehill" (Yilgin - example of a metaphor )
If you were all driving right now you would all be stuck in the middle lane doing 50mph
I think I would have put up with it for one night. If it is something happens on a regular basis then surely it would be better to approach the man during the day time and explain your side. Just my thoughts.
So Pinky you´re into a bit of after hours work?Most Hotels won´t accept you unless you can prove you are married. You need to go to Aksaray in Istanbul rooms by the night crawling with small animals(not all but you´ll have to have a look) but cheap,and generally they won´t ask for I.D, I know I had the misfortune in stopping in one, you´ll be looking at 20/50 ytl per night this is whore/pimp/theft territory be warned go out at night at your own peril,if you do go out around there make sure you are with someone, this stop is about 1 hour from the airport by Metro,in fact I think it´s the last stop on the Metro.
good luck. P.s I know this because I lived it
Blimey! Nice recommendation! I think I would pay a bit more and stay somewhere nicer. I am sure there are many hotels around that do not care whether a couple is married or not.................so long as they get paid!
Mine too! But a 1/4 cup of mint? Bit extreme............ where is the parsley! How do you measure 50ml of cheese?
1/4 cup of mint is measured with a very small cup..
And also, there are special cups for measuring crumbled feta cheese..
They are 100ml and they take exactly 122.3 grams of crumbled cheese.
It would be quite confusing to put ´61,15 grams crumbled feta cheese´ in the recipe..
And parsley has always been optional..
Parsley was forced on me in Bitez (one weeks hol!) ........... so was something resembling a dandilion leaf with the waiter shaking it at me.... "why did you not eat?" and then the mint....... "you not like?" and then the parsley stalks.........."what is wrong?" Oh yes, then the juice at the bottom........... I called it water, he called it tomato juice
Oh and thank you for very specific clarification on the measurements "chef"! btw did you know they are American measurements??
What Kind of Driver Are You?
Cool-headed, careful and experienced?
Back to the question!
I am all of those things and more.............
got a couple of tickets for speeding, get annoyed at dithering, blundering, incompetent idiots - like those who drive in the middle lane at 50mph so it forces me to undertake them (now illegal in the UK). People who are slow at leaving the green light (or amber in my case ) infuriate me!
But aside all of that most people feel safe with me........................ 35 years of accident free driving
We came across several ex-pats working illegally in Bitez last week and our tour rep had also been offered work illegally! One woman we chatted to has been married to a Turk for 4 years (and working with him) and is still tripping off to Kos to get her visa every three months!
Yes - there are quite a few here too but renewing the visa in Kos doesn´t mean she can legally work. Quite a few ex-pats here work for emlaks - illegally - and if they don´t get paid their commission there is nothing they can do about it. A friend of mine worked 2 months for one Emlak and never got a penny (sorry lira!) out of them.
I meant that she is working illegally! She was managing the place and taking the money!! I´d have thought after being married for 4 years and living in Turkey all that time, she would have applied for residency??
Actually is was quite a funny combination - age gap, in her favour, weight difference in his favour! He told us in strong winds he ties himself to her
Has Fanny Cradock been resurected? How about a receipe for pressed tongue!
And while on the subject of Lemon Curd, which reminded my of a childhood days, lemon curd tart and custard, what about treacle tart with cornflakes in it! Yum Yum!
We came across several ex-pats working illegally in Bitez last week and our tour rep had also been offered work illegally! One woman we chatted to has been married to a Turk for 4 years (and working with him) and is still tripping off to Kos to get her visa every three months!
1/2 cup cucumber, diced
2 tomatoes, diced
1 cubanelle pepper
1/2 red onion, sliced
1/4 cup fresh mint
2 tsp lemon juice
2-3 tbsp extra virgin olive oil
50 ml feta cheese, crumbled
Salt
Pepper
Place all the vegetables in a medium size salad bowl. Add salt and pepper to liking. Add the feta, lemon juice and olive oil. Don´t add any other dressings.
This my favourite kind of salad!
Mine too! But a 1/4 cup of mint? Bit extreme............ where is the parsley! How do you measure 50ml of cheese?
I have just finished Reading the kite runner by khaled hosseini
its about 2 boys growing up in aghanistan, I saw the movie first and it was a very good interperpation of the book, a very moving story. Now I am Reading his next novel A Thousand Splendid Suns. Its about the friendship that develops between two women growing up and living in afganistan, I´m half way through it and think I need another box of tissues. Its just as heart-wrenching as his first novel.
I have these sitting in the wings, right now I am "trying" to read The Jannisary Tree but it is a bit like wading through mud - hopefully it will pick up. Fully intended to read it on holiday but the opportunity slipped me by
We can never know basically because we do not have the means to know it. It's beyond our capabilities. We can know the afterlife whether it exists or not only after we die.
Haaa,i got,so they believe in what they see,and what they can acknowledge
But again,in their doubts,and if they find it is true and they find out that there is a God after they die...it will be so late for them i believe.
Anyway,all to his believes !
Yes that is right. We believe what we see and acknowledge and very well put I would say.
There is nothing better than listening to a Jehovah Witness who says that dinosaurs never existed, even though there is proof!
So the key word for me here is "proof".
But when you are dead everything is too late, so be good now, believe in what you want to believe in and be happy and considerate to others (I mean everyone in general not just you Canli ).
If there was a life after death, why has no-one come back to tell us? Or leave a sign?
So do you believe in love? Proove it.
Love describes a feeling but what has believing in love got to do with dinosaurs?
Actually I don't know any practising muslim women who would wear such a swimming attire because whichever model you get it will stick to the body, which I can only confirm after spending loads time on turkish beaches. They might as well change into regular swimming attires because their bodies become even more obvious, unfortunately. It's a nice idea though.
I have seen them several times, in Oludeniz, and yes you are right, they are figure hugging once wet, plus they are dangerous in my mind. Such an outfit would drag you under unless you are a strong swimmer, should they get into difficulty.
It is strange how some people are so unable to imagine a life without religion that they even try to turn a conscious personal decision into yet another belief "system" with followers!
Stick to lecturing people about tolerance and peace PEACETRAIN...
Agree one hunderd percent - I don't have a problem with reglious people until they try and preach to me! I made my mind up when I was still a child as to what I did and did not believe in, and nothing has ever swayed me to change my mind.
My last words on the matter. I deleted my own post within 5 minutes of the original posting. You are giving it life and legs now to continue. Your choice...
We can never know basically because we do not have the means to know it. It's beyond our capabilities. We can know the afterlife whether it exists or not only after we die.
Haaa,i got,so they believe in what they see,and what they can acknowledge
But again,in their doubts,and if they find it is true and they find out that there is a God after they die...it will be so late for them i believe.
Anyway,all to his believes !
If there was a life after death, why has no-one come back to tell us? Or leave a sign?
They did! http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidhelan/269989778/
Plus I went to give blood tonight after work, and there is an appointment system, and because I didn't have one I had to wait, and wait, and wait................so I went home
Good for you!!! I hope you go back soon. It's a pain to have to wait but it's also good from my point of view because it means there were a lot of others donating.......I work for a blood bank
I am a regular donor, and have given many pints! They are always ringing me and asking when am I going to donate (normally every 16 weeks) but now? I am sure if they had really wanted they could have slotted my in when I said I couldn't wait any longer (40 minutes and it would have been at least another hour)
We can never know basically because we do not have the means to know it. It's beyond our capabilities. We can know the afterlife whether it exists or not only after we die.
Haaa,i got,so they believe in what they see,and what they can acknowledge
But again,in their doubts,and if they find it is true and they find out that there is a God after they die...it will be so late for them i believe.
Anyway,all to his believes !
Yes that is right. We believe what we see and acknowledge and very well put I would say.
There is nothing better than listening to a Jehovah Witness who says that dinosaurs never existed, even though there is proof!
So the key word for me here is "proof".
But when you are dead everything is too late, so be good now, believe in what you want to believe in and be happy and considerate to others (I mean everyone in general not just you Canli ).
If there was a life after death, why has no-one come back to tell us? Or leave a sign?
Sorry to disappoint you, I haven't heard much about Agnostics, actually the only person I can think of who states she's an Agnostic is AE. I had a couple of Neo-Pagan friends, some Satanists, Atheists but not Agnostics
I am quite happy to share with everyone, I consider myself agnostic to, and was told by my religous mother that is what I am.
I don't believe in any God whatsoever as it cannot be proven, but I believe in aspects of the Bible and consider it to be history. I don't believe in life after death and I don't believe in immaculate conception, therefore I don't believe that Mary conceived Jesus without intercourse with someone unidentifed, in other words Jesus was illegitimate.
I don't have a problem with peoples beliefs or religions and I respect them.
How can I keep up with this - a day at a conference in London and a thread is started and locked all in the same day!!!
What will happen whilst I am Turkey next week sunning myself???? How will I cope ?????????? Will I have to sneak off and find the nearest internet cafe???????????????????
Why? Cos I was going to do some work tonight, using my encrypted work pen drive, and apparently I have used more than my quota of illegal passwords (didn't know I had any!) and now the stupid thing has wiped everything off!
I was doing some work for my director for a conference tomorrow, now I have to work on the train at 06:30 in the morning
Plus I went to give blood tonight after work, and there is an appointment system, and because I didn't have one I had to wait, and wait, and wait................so I went home
An American hiker stranded in the Bavarian Alps for nearly three days was rescued after using her sports bra as a signal, police in southern Germany said Monday.
Berchtesgaden police officer Lorenz Rasp said that he helped lift 24-year-old Jessica Bruinsma of Colorado to safety by helicopter on Thursday after she attracted the attention of lumberjacks by attaching her sports bra to a cable used to move timber down the mountain.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25333829/
Haha ! Must have been a big sports bra! I dont think mine would draw attention to it, if I waved it about
Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols.
Crusaders were killers.
They can have sex everywhere and with everyone.
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What is wrong with you, Tommy?
Chinese do eat pork but not everyone of them is Christian. So your next post will be "what is wrong with Chinese"? Hope this wouldn't happen.
What is wrong to eat pork? And what is wrong to eat rabbit?
When I was a child, I kept a rabbit as pet. Then I came to know that some people in the world eat rabbits! I didn't know what race or nationality or religion they came from, I just felt they were like monsters. Of course I don't feel this way anymore, yet I won't eat rabbit.
Ninja, Mr @Tommy@ is what we call a "wind up man".................. Chinese food is wonderful....... but I did not dare eat the snakes
It means = The art of conversation is dead.
Silence is better than nonsensical stuff...
Actually that is not quite right. To us it means that silence is a virtue, something to be cherished. I sometimes love silence, therefore to me in those moments "silence is golden".
I always thought it meant not saying something was better saying something you're better off not saying.
Maybe it means different things to different people! MAny times I have been told to be quiet so perhaps you are right Sonunda
It means = The art of conversation is dead.
Silence is better than nonsensical stuff...
Actually that is not quite right. To us it means that silence is a virtue, something to be cherished. I sometimes love silence, therefore to me in those moments "silence is golden".
I saw this article today too! I wondered if the 10% quoted was an acurate figure and how would this move, if it happened affect Turkey's accession to the EU.
Everything else, you are spot on, I am sure there are things that you are missing, like how we contributed to slavery, how we took over whole countries and created colonies. And promiscuity is not a new thing you know.
Then there are the mass murderers, Sweeny Todd, Jack the Riper, oh and don't forget Guy Falkes...........
And of course, if you are touching on religion, what about the Bishops that abuse chilren, who wont allow women to become Bishops on the same terms...............
Idols? What like Katie Price (aka Jordon) and Jade Goody??? Now they are real Britain!
Thank you for admitting it all.
No problem Tommy (too afraid to use your real nic!), not really had the response you anticipated have you? I am not precious about religion fullstop!
See we all like to make fun of ourselves, us bed bed bed Westeners!!!!
I need to get an Italian visa. I have gone through this several times and everytime I find new conditions.
This time, I learn that I need to have a travel health insurance valued at €30000 at least.
I will talk to an insurance company for this but let me know if there is anybody here who has gone through this kind of thing. Any info would be appreciated.
€30,000 travel insurance is not that high, we have an indemnity of at least £2m. It would be for health cover I expect as you would not be entitled to health care should you need it. You will also need to make sure the insurance covers the entire journey.
Christians eat pork (disgusting). They worship 3 different Gods, they pray to idols.
Crusaders were killers.
They can have sex everywhere and with everyone.
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Yep! Except the pork which if only you knew how delicious it is, the skin cooked crisply (crackling we call it) or a nice crsiply fried bacon sandwich with brown sauce............... you don't know what you are missing!
Everything else, you are spot on, I am sure there are things that you are missing, like how we contributed to slavery, how we took over whole countries and created colonies. And promiscuity is not a new thing you know.
Then there are the mass murderers, Sweeny Todd, Jack the Riper, oh and don't forget Guy Falkes...........
And of course, if you are touching on religion, what about the Bishops that abuse chilren, who wont allow women to become Bishops on the same terms...............
Idols? What like Katie Price (aka Jordon) and Jade Goody??? Now they are real Britain!
We are about to enter the BBQ season. Therefore it is important to refresh your memory on the etiquette of this sublime outdoor cooking activity. When a man volunteers to do the BBQ the following chain of events are put into motion:
Routine...
(1) The woman buys the food.
(2) The woman makes the salad, prepares the vegetables, and makes dessert.
(3) The woman prepares the meat for cooking, places it on a tray along with the necessary cooking utensils and sauces, and takes it to the man who is lounging beside the grill - beer in hand.
(4) The woman remains outside the compulsory two meter exclusion zone where the exuberance of testosterone and other manly bonding activities can take place without the interference of the woman.
Here comes the important part:
(5) THE MAN PLACES THE MEAT ON THE GRILL.
More routine...
(6) The woman goes inside to organize the plates and cutlery.
(7) The woman comes out to tell the man that the meat is looking great.
He thanks her and asks if she will bring another beer while he flips the meat.
Important again:
(8) THE MAN TAKES THE MEAT OFF THE GRILL AND HANDS IT TO THE WOMAN.
More routine...
(9) The woman prepares the plates, salad, bread, utensils, napkins, sauces, and brings them to the table.
(1 After eating, the woman clears the table and does the dishes.
And most important of all:
(11) Everyone PRAISES the MAN and THANKS HIM for his cooking efforts.
(12) The man asks the woman how she enjoyed 'her night off.'
And, upon seeing her annoyed reaction, concludes that there's just no pleasing some women...
religion, secularism, islam, christianity, atheism, feminism, dudus etc... they are all same shit. calm down dudes, make a tea or lemonade. is it necessary to waste your time by dealing with these kinda subjects?
"extremist muslims are terrorists, christians have a barbaric history, women rights, viva feminism, men dump us everythime, i luv my dudu, dudu wants some money from me" bla bla.. always talking about the same shits. please calm down and then satisfy your partners instead of sitting on a chair and vomitting here. regards. grazie.
I think you have a problem, not us, you don't like it, don't read it. Besides, some people get aroused pretending to be porn stars, other love talking about matters that shape the world around them. Those of us having satisfactory sex life don't have to write about it in every post
hunny, if you are aroused by nickname, that is your problem not mine. i guess you have a very difficult pregnancy according to your previous posts, that's why you and your crew alwayz puke here with your unnecessary posts. i hope you'll recover soon. by the way you identify yourself as an atheist, but haven't you realized the miracle of bearing a baby, being a mum? it's a blessing from the creator to all the women, and you have to feel yourself lucky for having a baby. come on madam daydreamer, don't be attached yourself on the things with full of emptiness such as atheism etc... just think about it please. keep in mind, i really don't any problem with you all, but it's very ridiculous for me to read your baseless posts about religions, cultures, terrorism, beliefs, dudus etc. i hope you'll improve yourself for writing fully sophisticated posts henceforth. take care, grazie.
ps: score is 9999999999999999999999-1 now, and i always win forever and ever, cause i'm a worldclass man. kisses.
A worldclass man spending his valuable time on a website, full of hormonal, hysterical, vomiting women.................... hahahahahahahahahahahaha worldclass indeed!
Go ahead, canli, start a post "What is wrong with Christians?", let's talk about it. Give links and data that show problems with christians and we will also talk about them. You know however, that problems with christians do not make problems with muslims any less bad.
+1
No dear,i wont
There is no point
As i said we've been through this before,we've been talking and debating at almost same subjects too
So,if we had achieved anything before,then there would be no need to rebeat ourselves again would it ?
And if we didnt achieve anything,then also there is no point in opening same subjects again and even talk about them in same patterns 'that Muslims,İslam is bad and you 'none Muslims' want to teach us how to be good Muslims !' unless we like to hear our own voices over and over again
İ personally dont like to do that
And also as i told armegon in another thread before before,i dont repeat myself,so i wont open a repetitive thread maybe different in title but same in content !
So as i said,be my guest and have it your way,and we have it ours too!
Muslims are bad?...ok we are bad
İslam is sucks?...ok İslam is sucks...
Want us to disappear ?
NO we wont !
We are Muslims,we will be Muslims we wont be neither Christians ,Jewish,none believers...ect
We like OUR religion the way it is,we wont REFORM it the way YOU ''none Muslims' like
And CERTAİNLY we wont be taught about OUR religion and the way to practice it from none Muslims !
We will always be as we are ...Muslims
And guess what, we wont go anywhere either,we will always be here too same as you 'None Muslims' do
So ,dont you think its about time that we learn to live together the way we both are because that is what WAS and what İS and what WİLL going to be also maybe you 'None Muslims' learn to accept it even if you hate it ?!
Don't get so upset and take things so personally! If thousands, no sorry millions of Christians came to your country and expect you to build churches, and make sure they had Christianity taught in schoolos, expected your country to make changes to accomodate them, and would not integrate you would understand better I am sure. No one is denegrading all Muslims so please dont take it like that.
You say we should learn to live together, I agree, then why do we have a city in England, Leicester, where now the balance has swung and white Britons are the minority and integration has not happened. Do we now have to integrate with the Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs? There are whole areas of most big cities where you would think you are in a different country.
We don't hate it, most British people tolerate it, but we just would like them to accept our way of life a little more and not expect us to bow down to them. If they want to live in Britain then accept us!!!!!!!
horrible poem of a detached guy who I'm sure simply couldn't cope with rejection
Ha ha
This is a beautiful poem (in Turkish if course)..
Maybe the reason is my translation but, I think you did not get 'the moral of the story' entirely!!
I was actually thinking how poignant the message is and it works both ways - sort of fits with "how does a Turk dump a girl" thread
I have located the problem, it is an exe file called:
svchost.exe
and it seems to be being used by several programmes and at some points is using 100% cpu, when I start my PC up. It takes several minute for the programmes to run, and the sound of my processor churning away is very irritating
I have tried to disable some of the this morning but my IT knowledge is not enough to know if I am doing any harm :-S
Sharia law 'coming to Britain' Sharia could play a role in some parts of the legal system, the most senior judge in England and Wales said today.
The Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, ruled out the possibility of sharia courts sitting in this country or deciding penalties.
Sharia, a set of principles governing the way many Muslims believe one should live one's life, suffered from "widespread misunderstanding" by the rest of the world, he added.
Fear of Islam - exactly what my post was referring to! Only people in Britian will know what we mean. And the judge? No Comment
Is it lack of English from my part, or is there a difference between breaking up with smo and dumping smo?
I think you can break up with someone after a mutual decision, but when you dump someone, it's you who lets him/her down. And it's a rude way to say to break up with.
Any confirmation from a native speaker???
MLTM, I agree with your observation regarding has "dump someone" is used based on how I have heard it used in life songs and movies.
I am not a linquist, but I don't think the phrase "dumping somebody" mean ending a Romance was used in English before about World War II. But the real definition of "dump" is firstly that it is transitive verb. Someone or thing realizes or drops someone or thing. For example "Dump the garbage in the can". As an noun a "Dump" or "Dump Site" is a place where garbage or trash is left.
So all the above gives a negative unfriendly connotation when "dump" is used to describe ending relationship.
Personally, if "dumping" comes in to it there never was a "romantic" relationship (from the dumpers side anyway) !!! I would say that if a relationships ends because of being "dumped" then it was probaly more about sex than anything else! Bit of an immature, selfish method though for adults rather than rude Sort of thing you expect from teenagers.
! I may sound weird, but my b/f has lots of turks friends and they do anything for the girl, promise the world... until they loose the interest and they are really bad, call the girl names, yell and much more... I ve never seen this before Hope my bf never do it to me
But this is not dumping what you describe...
And dont forget A man is a man, doesnt matter what nationality he has... if a man tends to dump... it does... there is no how, he would do anything for it if he plans to dump, or why... this is just instincts...
I think this is what is called universally " and getting pi**ed off with the other person" I admit to behaving like this when I was a teenager! And I remember many others doing the same............
An aphorism is a short sharp clever saying about the truth. Modify: it is difficult to give an example as they are usually witty comments made at the time.
A metaphor is a term for a word or phrase used to describe someone, something or an action, but not using the literal context:
At the foot of the mountain
He has a heart of gold
He sleeps like a baby
I have to say that the UK bends over backwards to assist Muslims, everything they ask for is provided. Schools, mosques, halal food etc. They are renowned for not integrating into communities, it is a case of he who shouts loudest and they shout loud and they get.
Then they repay our hospitality by blowing up hundreds of people in our undergrounds and transport system and we are still tolerant. Then we find that there are a group of muslims who wanted to blow up a series of planes from Heathrow, in flight. So what are we supposed to think?
We know that not all Muslims are the same, so we don't tar all with the same brush. But you cannot help looking with distain when you are confronted in an underground carriage and you are the only white person in it. I find myself eyeing up who is beside me....just in case.
I must say that the muslims I am referring to are not Turkish, they are generally middle eastern origin, but what we call "home grown", they are born in the UK of Middle eastern parentage, usually Afgans and Pakistanis.
Well maybe Jena, who bye the way is a used up old porn star, can help you out there. Why not at least be friends with porn stars who are more attractive and not disgusting.
I'm really questioning your taste here in the company you keep.
Hang on a minute! I'm completely lost here - how did a used-up old porn star called Jena get into this thread?????
Looks like Spanish player, Nadal will be heading for Wimbledon final...........after marmalising the Scot Murray. So we can look forward to a Federra / Nadal final once again. Only unseeded players to get by............ Just hope Nadal gets a better pair of pants, I got fed up watching him pull them from his a**e every 5 minutes............. not sure who would want to shake his hand Oh sorry,...... forgot to mention the relevance here, Nadal will be playing a German in the semi's .........................
Everest is closed for a clean up at last! The Chinese are closing Everest so that a major clean up can take place at Base Camp. It is littered with everything from oxygen cannisters, to ruck sacks, tents and even the occasional corpse!
if you wonder me a lot, come and see me in my house in Como. i'm planning to make a new porn film at there and the content is mature sex. if you are interested in acting in my film, please don't hesitate. i can satisfy you if you want. grazie. (i am telling both of you.)
LIR and LL, I would love to see both of you with Rocco in his new film! I know you will be fabulous in it...
Ok, you win Rocco, I give up, no more teasing! Enjoy Lake Como!
Any particular town in Abruzzo? Check on Wikipedia, it will tell you your birthday too! I have a friend who has a house near Pescara.
Actually, I loved Malcesine and Monte Baldo, Limone, Riva, Bolzano and the famous museum, the Dolomites, especially Marmalada, Courmeyer, Turin, Milan, Venice is too touristy. In fact Italy is a beautiful country.
Stop feeding his fantasies LL!! But if the boy wants to believe he is Italian who are we to stop him?
I know but I can't help being a tease and what is it with this boy business, from my information Rocco S is well into his forties, married and retired!
Does anyone know how to stop those annoying indexing programmes that run when you open your PC? I have one, don't know where it came from and I can't find it to stop it either.
If anyone can point me in the right direction, to find where it is located and stop it I will be forever grateful!
Problem solved, sort of! Not the indexing programme but my anti virus
Does anyone know how to stop those annoying indexing programmes that run when you open your PC? I have one, don't know where it came from and I can't find it to stop it either.
If anyone can point me in the right direction, to find where it is located and stop it I will be forever grateful!
My son works for Walmart in the summer. As a benefit he gets an employee discount, but I don't shop there even to take advantage of his discount. They make him work second shift and they don't even give him a pay differential for working those hours. They have the biggest turnover at the one he works at. But to him it's only a job partime not a career, since he's in college. Thank God!
Not just the Far East where they abuse their workers then! Perhaps someone should video it and let Jay Leonard show it on TV, like he did once before, only that time he was exposing child labour, right in front of the CEO nose!
I was suprised to see on a packet of polo's that they meet the halal rules, so curious as I am I googled it and there is a list of halal sweeties!!! Nestle Halal sweetie list
(by the way, i don't have to prove that i am Italian, and i luv my own language and use it in my own way, so don't clamp yourself anymore, grazie)
I didn't know you had tried to prove you were Italian! So my favourite place in Italy is Livigno, where is yours?
my favourite place is Abruzzo and i was born at there. i also like Como and Milano.
Any particular town in Abruzzo? Check on Wikipedia, it will tell you your birthday too! I have a friend who has a house near Pescara.
Actually, I loved Malcesine and Monte Baldo, Limone, Riva, Bolzano and the famous museum, the Dolomites, especially Marmalada, Courmeyer, Turin, Milan, Venice is too touristy. In fact Italy is a beautiful country.
spain has fully deserved to win. congrazioni espana!!!
Evet - CONGRATULAZIONI!
Well spotted! About time he stopped pretending he was Italian! So, Rocco S, I know you hate me but, what is the Italian for Spain? Uhmmm?? Not Espana is it? And of course while I am at it, Congrazioni is not Spanish for congratulations either, something like felicitaciones
I suggest you invest in a cheap and reliable, in fact, free translation services widely available on the internet!
LIR, Hey I just realised, not only can we pick holes in our own language, but we can pick holes in others too!
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Hair extensions, pedicures and waxing to 18 months and younger?
This is outrageous, brainwashing kids with this kind of useless, harmful 'beauty' practices from such an early age. Horrible.
When someone uses a porno star's name and posts their photo as their name and photo, do you need a whole lot more to determine maybe they don't exactly have the best intentions?
I had no idea that his name was also the name of a porn star! Alameda must be quite an expert in such matters so I will take her word for it
Uhmm Sounds a bit negative, but how about trying each of the embassies of the countries you have to go through! Really I don't see a problem with driving through the EU countries until you reach Turkey. Sounds quite exciting to me and the sort of thing I would probably have a go at!
I once sent an e-mail to Tömer but they never replied to that.
İ have emailed TÖMER İstanbul and actually they always replied
İ was asking about short terms courses,and they provided that there are private lessons there for 40$/hour
İ believe that is way too expensive for an hour,no ?!
Quoting libralady:
I started to us TOMER online, but never got a response to homework, which they were supposed to mark, so I gave up with it.
İ was going to use their online courses tho,then i believe its not recommended tho :-S
Canli, the course structure and content of the online courses are very comprehensive, if only they responded to emails (mostly got messages to say email box full so I never knew if they got them or not) and when I sent work to be marked to finish a module, I got no response at all. So in the end, I don't know if I was learning correctly, I gave up.
The illegal, immoral poll in Zimbawee which puts the ignorant dictator safely back in the seat, the seat which he never vacated, whilst his drongo's go round killing and intimidating his "citizens" into voting for him.
I once sent an e-mail to Tömer but they never replied to that. I have to agree, EF is quite expensive, and sometimes they use material from Tömer, but the way they teach I believe is a good way (and one which I'd use too as a future teacher ).
My teacher didn't speak English either, but I think that is not a bad thing. You can make a lot clear by looking up words in a dictionary during the class and by gestures and pictures. Every morning we had to tell in Turkish what we did the previous day. When she introduced us to new grammar, she just gave sentences with examples and tried to explain what it meant.
I'm planning to move to Turkey some time in the future, and if necessary I'd definitely pick EF again to brush up my Turkish!
I started to us TOMER online, but never got a response to homework, which they were supposed to mark, so I gave up with it.
I would like to make a comment here and show my sensitive side.
I think some of the posts above are a bit harsh aimed at Yilgin. He is a long term member of this site, who tries to post things that he feels are important. He does not provoke argument or squabbles nor does he display his political side. He is working hard to learn English and to understand the sense of humour that is portrayed here.
May I suggest that if you do not like this type of thread then don't add to it.
As usual I am a little late reading this thread, so I want to add my favourites games (or I will stamp and scream until I am sick!)
* Cowboys and Indians - we made bow and arrows from willow and reeds (even with the threat of wiels disease) and guns from sticks
* British Bulldog - tag game, a very "ruff" tag game
* Cops and robbers
* Football
* Snowballs (in winter of course )
* Make tree houses
and of course,
* fishing
So many I can't remember.........
oh and yes, I too was a tomboy, being the only girl in my school year ( just in case you were wondering, and if you are not asleep already, I grew up in a VERY rural area and no we are not all related )
and sports
Athletics
* 100m, 200m, 100m hurdles
* shot put and discus
* Netball and hockey
and I think you are all being a bit mean on Yilgin!
Contemporary humans, exhibit considerable variability in cranial capacity (1150 cc to 1600 cc), none of which is related to intelligence, because the organization of neural circuitry is more significant than overall cranial capacity in establishing mental capabilities.
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Do we need to remind you that the official language of this site is 'English'?
geeezzz, what's so hard to understand here? :-S
cc = cm^3
and mens cranial capcity is 1600cc but 1500cc of that is full of crap
There is so much deja vu with this story. You should take a look at the Turkish Loverats site, it is littered with exactly this.
Why oh why do women hand over money to someone they hardly know (yes you are married but how long for?) without even seeing the shop, or the "friend". Why did you need a loan to "sell" silver on Ebay?
It is all very suspicious to me. I would have to go and see for myself what is going on. Do either of you speak each others language? If not I would probably hire an interpreter to.
I am sorry for being so cynical and negative, but I do have sympathy for you and I hope you resolve it.
Anyone eat sausages, meat pies, burgers and other processed food??????
Then you will more than likely be eating intestines, maybe a little bit of eye ball and a bit of cheek thrown in, oh and how about some nice chewy cartlidge all mixed with a bit of finger fungus and even a boggie or two!
250 gr veal tripe, washed with water and soap several times using a brush
4-5 cups water
Salt
2 tbsp butter
3 tbsp all purpose flour
1 egg yolk
Sauce:
2 garlic cloves, smashed with salt
4-5 tbsp wine vinegar with raspberry juice, or another type of vinegar
Cook the tripe with water and salt for about 1.5 - 2 hours or until tender. If you like you may use a pressure cooker to cook in a shorter time. Remove the foam from the surface. Take the cooked tripe out of the water (keep the water) and cut in bite sized chunks over a cutting board.
Melt the butter, add the flour, stir and slowly pour about 2 cups of warm boiled water while stirring constantly. They should blend very well. Then add in the tripes. Cook 15-20 minutes over a little bit under medium heat.
Take a few spoons of liquid from the pot and blend well with the egg yolk in a bowl. Then slowly pour the mixture into the pot while stirring very slowly. Cook for 3-4 more minutes over medium heat. If it is too thick add a little bit more boiled water. Pour the soup into the bowls.
Mix the garlic and vinegar in a small bowl and pour one tablespoon into the soup. Serve this traditional Turkish Tripe Soup while still hot.
A small fly - it just flew right in there without so much as a by your leave. Please don't concern youselves about either of us though - I have not gone blind and the fly is now beyond your concern.
Bit like the poor little fox I saw this morning, displayed across the road, with motorists doing their best to avoid spreading it even further
The Holy Qur'an:
The Qur’an consists of 114 chapters of varying lengths, each known as a sura (Sure) (pl. suar). Chapters.
The most popular edition of the Qur’an, which is based on the tradition of the school of Kufa, contains 6,236 ayat(ayet).
The Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet according to Islam.
The Islamic Holy book bestows 25 prophets (who carry God's message to Humanity) from Adam and Noah to Moses, Jesus and the last prophet Muhammet and the holy religions.
wow..
Thanks for the info which was unknown to all of us!!
I dont have much idea what is in the Bible let alone the Qur'an!
Well the slimey gay photos sort of made me curious and as I so very often do, I googled the name! Apparently he is famous for something he has that is big, but it is not his car
libra, are you still fluttering like a white dove? still mentioning about me? dont be so funny libra. cum on. I'm Italian and i'm not a native English speaker as you have mentioned my English in this forum. anyway, i really dont care about you. grazie.
I'm reading 'The Janissary Tree' by Jason Goodwin. It is about some murders of the modern soldiers of good families in İstanbul in 1836, which (probably, havent finished the book yet) are linked to the janissaries revolts a decade before (or smt). The sultan asks from Yashim the eunuch to solve the mysteries.
The reviews on the book were very positive, stating it has got all you may expect from a good novel, that it is really literature but reads like a detective, exotic, historical etc. It is a nice book to read, but I wouldnt have bought it on second thought. The sentences are short and simplistic and the writer, has a 'square' way of writing, whereas I prefer 'round' where sentences just flow from one to another. But it's a good book to read in the train or something.
I liked the sound of this and just ordered it along with The Snake Stone from Amazon! Books for my holiday in 3 weeks time!
[And btw Yilgin, his nick is an Italian Porn star!
libralady...shock and disbelief...how does a proper and dignified lady like yourself know this! I am convinced there is more to you than meets the eye!
Well the slimey gay photos sort of made me curious and as I so very often do, I googled the name! Apparently he is famous for something he has that is big, but it is not his car
I think he is referring to the post which states that Bursa isn't anything interesting apart from Uludağ. That clearly was his weak spot, being born and raised in the first capital of the Ottoman Empire But, he is right. Bursa needs to get more credit!
I see, but an opinion of somewhere is not really being inconsiderate.
they aren't like 3rd class building constractors' foreign wives without social polish
I know you don't want to offend anyone, but your message is rather 'upperclass-haughty' and it doesn't suit you!
You are the last person who can be offended That profession was just an example and I still stand by what I said.Although it doesn't suit,I think it does If people had been more considerate,I'd have been more considerate though.We don't have to think in the same way like we aren't interested in the same things.
I was not offended either - my post was a "tongue in cheek" response, but if only I could understand your last post about people being considerate!! Who has been inconsiderate?
Well... I just stumbled on some material about this lady that I never heard of before - Shazia Mirza and I thought "Wow!" This is amazing! A Muslim woman, born in the UK who remained a Muslim but became a stand-up comedian (of course) against the will of her parents. She refused to be put in a box and to be told what she should believe and how she should practice her religion. She speaks her mind about arranged marriages, separation of women and men, the treatment of girls... etc. Interestingly enough, she gets harassed and abused most by Muslims, especially Muslim men!
I haven't seen the whole game (neither I nor my husband like football) but we watched the last part (penalty goals?). We couldn't help laughing - as if Croatia was missing on purpose
thanks to everyone who recommended places to visit and how much time we should allow. it was great help. we left yesterday and really enjoyed. went to blue mosque/aya sofia/ cisterns/topkapi palce/ grand bazaar/galata tower and dolmabahce palace. did not have time for ortakoy pier or trip on ferries.
dolmabahce palace was one of best places ever visited in our lives.
taxis very cheap so used them alot. also surprised that eating out was not expensive for a city.meals were exceptional.
i dont normnally like big cities but this was an exception. a different culture that made it so interesting.its a mad place with so many people and traffic.
will defintely go back as sure so much to see. but am also now interested in seeing more of rest of turkey. can anyone recommend anywhere else.i believe bursa is worth visiting.
now in comparative peacefulness of north cyprus. will put on my turkey t shirt i bought in taksim square for the big match tonight.
If I had my chance, I would travel the length of the Black Sea coast, and I would go to Saffronbolu too! I would like to spend some time around Trabzon and north east Turkey. We went hiking in the Kackar Mountains, which was fantastic. I would also like to see Capadoccia and hike along the Lycian way. Another journey recommended to me was to drive along the coast from Antalya to say Izmit by car, stopping where ever the fancy takes you.
What a game! A thrilling performance! A miraculous goal in the last second! Unbelievable! A fantastic show! What I like in Turks is that they play to the end, to the last second!
Now Germany. I'm pretty sure Germans are petrified after this.
germany is laughing their butts off!! thinking about playing half a team!!!
Actually you are right, all those yellow cards and potential sendings off!
If I am not wrong, I believe she is also working with the group that have been set up by the Government to deal with forced marriages and missing girls who would normally have been expected to enter into forced or arranged marriages.
The Turkish goalie certainly redeemed himself for the silly mistakes he made in the first 90 min by some brilliant saves in the last 15 and that incredible penalty save!
they aren't like 3rd class building constractors' foreign wives without social polish
I know you don't want to offend anyone, but your message is rather 'upperclass-haughty' and it doesn't suit you!
As a wife of a building contractor I think it is a little bit of a misguided comment! I can't say I have "social polish" or would want it but I am relatively intellegent and would enjoy the sort of trip you suggest. But my 3rd class building contractor husband would rather be snorkling.
As far as I am aware, the only legal way you can get stuff onto an Ipod is via the Ipod store online. Some techy might know of a way to move stuff from Media player or similar to and ipod.
There are no language classes available for Ipod at the moment.
Yes Berlusconi was a good political leader, prime minister and sportman for Italy.
Sorry Yilgin, but he is joking - this man was on trial for corruption! He has not been a good leader otherwise he would have control of the Mafia who are at the moment controling most of the South of Italy.
And btw Yilgin, his nick is an Italian Porn star!
He also mentions the facist Mussonlini in the previous post as a good leader!
He is nothing but a joker............... or an old member (DJ) trying to be controversial
Hello all,
I hope we are all well here? just thought I would update you all from my new home in Istanbul and let you know what I have been doing.
On Saturday 16th June I attended the English Summer Fete held at the consulate near Taskim it was a nice hot day plenty of sunshine and the Fete was good. I met a few English people there and made some new friends, a couple who have just moved barely two weeks ago to Istanbul the man having came here with his work. We are going to keep in touch with them and invite them over for a meal sometime.
I have been studying to achieve a TEFOL certificate but I am interested in other work apart from this and hope soon something will turn up, it is nearly two months without anything positive although I have tried.
We decided to have a little kitten to keep me company during the days and she is only about 11 weeks old and keeps me busy. I am hoping to come to England for a short trip if the flight prices come down. My Turkish is better than it was and I am learning all the time and picking conversations up although I still find it hard to converse.
We had a bomb near us on Sunday 17th June although we have not visited this cafe before we have passed it many times. If anyone is visiting Istanbul I am here until July and then back after towards end of July. The weather is getting hotter currently today is 31C or 87F Best wishes all from Istanbul
Good to hear you are starting to settle in, perhaps you should write an essay about your experiences!
I am now reading "The Tenderness of Wolves" by Steph Penny. It won the Costa Coffee book award in 2006 I think.
It is set in 1867 in the Canadian outback. The main charactures are migrants from Scotland and Norway to the Canada and it starts with a murder as all good books do.
The main charactures seventeen year old son dissappears and is hence accused of the murder. Different groups of people set out in search of the lad, all with their own reasons for wanting to find him.
The story is interwoven with many underlying themes, love, greed, inter-racial relationships and an unsolved previous town mystery.
It is easy to lose track of who everyone is to begin with, but you soon build empathy with some of them and distaste at others. But it is a good read, and had I not left the book at work today I would have finished it tonight! I guess it will have a pointnant ending although I cannot guess what it will be.
Good game I must admit! And Germany managed to score 3 superb goals, but they did get a bit "dirty". Anyway, they have quietly crept into the semi's now................ so an open final for me, I will not put money on it!
Turkey could suprise everyone tomorrow and beat Croatia
And then, what if that British mayor decides to change the name of the streets to Churchill Street or something like that? What if we can not do anything because of EU laws in the that type of case?
Then we rejoice and say 'Hey! we have got a British town, next goal is LONDON'
Next step is to open a pork butchers, so that all the English people can have their bacon and eggs breakfast! Oh and a newsagent so they can get their Sun to read with their English Breakfast, maybe a little corner shop that sells Heinz Tomato Ketcup and baked beans, Daddies brown sauce, colmans mustard, marmite, PG Tips..........................
And you know it'll be run by an Indian family and then made into a Tesco Express in a couple of years
And what's with the Brits eating cucumber sandwiches?
OMG I love cucumber sammiches!!! and chip butties!!! mmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm goood!!!
my british roots are showing again!! lol lol
Oh my! Please explain then these cucumbers sammiches. Do you just slice cucumbers and put them on bread? And what are chip butties?
Ok, I just looked it up. A french fry sandwich? See now that's interesting. I would have never thought to put french fries on a sandwich.
Cucumber sandwich
* Take two slices of bread
* Spread with your favourite butter or margarine or someother type of spread resembling the afore mentioned
* Take one cucumber
* Cut thin slices off the end and lay onto one slice of bread and butter (if prefered, peel the cucumber first)
* Lay the other slice of bread on top, and press down lightly with the left hand
* Gently cut off the crust, and cut the sandwich into quarters
* Lay the quarters neatly onto a plate
* Unfold your crisp white serviette and lay across you knee (or get someone else to do it for you)
*Tuck in!
To supplement my student grant, I had a Saturday job in a baker's shop. The shop sold individual pies such as cheese and onion, beef, pork, steak etc. One day a group of men came in. They were visiting from another part of England, but I don't remember which. Well anyway, they each ordered a steak pie sandwich . . . I'd never heard of that one before
Guess it was like asking for a "long weight" or trying to find a "square round"!
And then, what if that British mayor decides to change the name of the streets to Churchill Street or something like that? What if we can not do anything because of EU laws in the that type of case?
Then we rejoice and say 'Hey! we have got a British town, next goal is LONDON'
Next step is to open a pork butchers, so that all the English people can have their bacon and eggs breakfast! Oh and a newsagent so they can get their Sun to read with their English Breakfast, maybe a little corner shop that sells Heinz Tomato Ketcup and baked beans, Daddies brown sauce, colmans mustard, marmite, PG Tips..........................
Although this is not really a political topic, I somewhat thought it is related to politics, as I think quite a bit of string-pulling & outside intervention was involved in the creation of the new Turkish Lira.
It wasn't just that over night the new Lira became roughly at par with the Swiss Franc, as well as the Canadian Dollar, but that some "power" decided that Turkish currency should be this way for who knows what purpose.
What I cannot figure out is this. I happen to travel a lot, and have not been able to exchange Turkish currnecy at any currency exchange booths anywhere in the world. You can exchange Thai baht, or Indonesian Rupee, but not Turkish Lira. It has turned into an obsession. Technically speaking, Turkish currency is one of the "stronger" currencies in the world, and yet, it is never listed in the "currency list boards" of exchange booths.
Any ideas...?
Never had a problem! I keep it for the next visit! But you can change up TR Lira at out post offices, various travel agents, banks, money shop............... maybe it is a Canadian thing.
London Naked Bike Run
caption of the images say:A naked bike ride took place in Hyde Park , London , on 14/06/2008. Every year, in cities around the world, people ride naked to celebrate cycling and the human body. The ride demonstrates the vulnerability of cyclists on the road and is a protest against oil dependency.
Are you in there somewhere?? I know you ride a bike.
Trying to grab the attention away from the George BUSH visit!
That game was worth it's weight in Turkish flags but the George Micheal look-a-like goalie wants flogging (or politely putting, "wants his arse kicking" - how stupid!
Funny thing is, lastnight even the football commentators mentioned "if Turkey lose they will put it down to the conspiracy therory which they are so keen on"!
So, what happened? Are they eliminated? Je suis nulle en foot
It will be a play off with Italy! If either one loses then they are out, and if it is a draw then it will be a shoot off.
Sadly, both games tonight are being shown on the same TV channel and both games kick off at 7:45, so not sure how they will do! I think it means one game we will see live the other will be a recording! Hope they show Turkey live
Alameda knows - she observes the rotten American society and comments!
Oh dear! I forgot that alameda is the authority on everything she speaks about! How could I be so stupid as to question anything that comes from her fingertips?!?!?
Ok so you don't agree with Alameda, but no need to be so venimous with your response.
Yes, unfortunately they did..all because of this ridiculous idea that women should be free to choose a career instead of motherhood. Too bad the weak western men cannot force them into having 6 children! I say - don't let women into universities. Cynicmistic's idea was not bad - compulsory army service for men, compulsory
breeding for women. The corrupt west could learn something from extended Muslim families!
Long live compulsory procreation
What's freedom of choice if your country's natural growth index is in danger?
I do think it's odd that the instinct to reproduce (said by many to be the strongest instinct in all creatures) is in decline in humans, particularly in the places mentioned.
In all things there is an inner and an outer. There are things that have a price and those that are priceless.
I don't see anything wrong with being a mother or home maker. In fact what is more valuable in the long run? A career that is really just a way to earn a few pieces of silver so you can afford a better home? but you give up making a home to get it?
I find it interesting that women who present themselves as feminists seem to have such little respect for motherhood and what women have been doing for thousands of years. Have you ever heard the saying, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world"?
Is it better to have prepared food from exploited hands in the factory, with who knows what ingredients in it, or food prepared with care to sustain and nourish one's loved ones?
Is it better to send children off to be taken care of those who's motivation is to earn money? I've seen those blank eyed children being pushed around by their sad eyed nannies (whose own children are not being cared for because they have to make a living), while their mothers pursue their "careers"....and I must say it's tragic sight.
Career? What career? 90% of the time you are talking about wage earning employment. You know, making a better widget.. Most women are fitting themselves into a male model, instead of really looking at themselves and making their own model. Many young women now are taking another look at how they manage their careers and being mothers and homemakers and working on redesigning it. My own grandmother had her own business that did quite well. She designed it so she could stay home to be there for her family.
Now I expect to be flammed....how dare I?
Not from me, I agree with you 100%! I am a little "old fashioned" when it comes to children and motherhood and juggling careers etc. My opinion is you can only do one well! And one has an effect on the other. Problems at work cause problems at home and vice versa.
I believe that lack of values in family life and family breakdowns has had detrimental effects on our social structure. But that does not mean to say that every woman has to have 2.4 chilren. Some people would be better if they never had children. Especialy those who treat their children like an accessory :-S
Not sure you can drive up to the Rock tombs at Dalyan as they are beside the river and situated quite high with no evidence of any roads. You have to take a boat from Dalyan and go to one of the jetties. Not sure that you can actually visit the tombs officially, although there are boat trips to Caunos ruins.
I just uploaded photographic proof....if you look at my profile you can see it. There are many different types of tombs....some only seen from the water, some from the road.
Fantastic photo! My son visited some tombs near Gocek but that was a climb up from the boat mooring. The ones we could see in Dalyan were very close to the river. I think the history of them is pretty amazing.
But my hero is now the Italian goalie Buffon! What a save from that unjust penalty! He is so cool with his scarf and head band and that lurvely stubble There is no way they should have drawn against Romania........................ Please Italy beat France!
Libralady the Italian defender had his arm round the forwards neck in a stranglehold.
He was just being friendly, you know how the Italians like to hug each other! He just got carried away!
Oh alright, suppose so.............. but the Italians are so gorgeous
HET IS STIIIIIIL AAN DE OVERKANT!!!! (öbür taraf sessiz!)
Well what can you say! Tremendous game!
But my hero is now the Italian goalie Buffon! What a save from that unjust penalty! He is so cool with his scarf and head band and that lurvely stubble There is no way they should have drawn against Romania........................ Please Italy beat France!
We saw the tombs last year, but apparently there a several myths about them. Some people seem to think they were made just for tourists in the 1980's but others say they have been there thousands of years and all the treasures they held have been plundered over the years. It is a shame that no one has posted you a response with their version.
I first saw them in the early 90's Libralady and they looked fairly old even then,certainly no sign of cement mixers or scaffolding I have inserted a picture in my profile as proof
The one's who think they have only been there a few years are the cynics! It is pretty obvious they are ancient relics! But our tour guide took delight in getting everyone on our boat trip to try guess how old they are!
The Tombs are Lycian. Lycia was especially famous for the Lycian League which was a network of city states that were quite democratic. There is book on Lycia by George E. Bean that while informative practically put me to sleep when I read a few years ago.
Here is a fairly good article on the tombs.
Lycian Tombs
I visited them when driving from Antalya to Bursa. It was amazing! I was with a car full of Turks at the time and all they knew about them was that they were some type of tombs. I was able to walk right up and could have walked inside...but didn't...
When I got back I looked them up and found it was an amazing culture. It was one of the first democracies, in fact.
Not sure you can drive up to the Rock tombs at Dalyan as they are beside the river and situated quite high with no evidence of any roads. You have to take a boat from Dalyan and go to one of the jetties. Not sure that you can actually visit the tombs officially, although there are boat trips to Caunos ruins.
Our diesel is now approx £1.30 litre and it would cost me about £60/£65 to fill my car, but I don't know how much really as I only ever put £50 worth in
That explains why people from Northern Ireland use petrol stations here - petrol is 1.3 euro and diesel 1.4 per litre
How long have you been using the Euro in Northern Ireland, it is part of Great Britain. I thought it was just Eire that uses the Euro. But that works out a little bit cheaper with with an exchange rate of about €1.23 ish to £1.
Am I the only one around here who is dumbfounded by the ease at which some people like to share the inner most secrets of their love life? And then wonder why they get a bit of ribbing over it?
I am a little upset here. I feel left out. Is it that I am insignificant in this one sided battle between Cynic wotsit and Catwoman over the virtues of Thehandsom and his new country? How can I be noticed in between the glorisouly LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG posts (Yawn!!)
All I ask is, who is Mustafa Akyol ................ please? And no, I refuse to google!
. No drunken nights of passion, only what we share online. And there is a LOT to be said for a lover who can do more for you online than any man has been able to in person, let me tell you. And I've had some that were pretty dang good! So it has to be the Turkish Man Effect. This is my first (and last!)
I have heard about sex on the internet, but my goodness. Turkish Man Effect..
I have heard about online sex .. but for whatever reason I cannot imagine how its done :unsure
Is it more that you would not like to imagine how Brings a whole new meaning to................
I too am one of those "snobs" who book their own trips, but unfortunately this year we have had to succumb to the package trip because we could not get flights! But I will still put some of my snobbery into action, by not taking the cattle bus, but getting a taxi to the hotel! No doubt there will be plenty of hassling taxi drivers to trip over when we leave the airport ............... and I already know how much they should charge
Yes, maybe I should have remembered to warn my friends about the airport prices, but actually I didn't know the problems in the resorts was so bad until everyone told too late!
AEnigmamagnadea it appears I owe you an apology as I seem to have got you mixed up with an experienced member with a similar nickname.She certainly knew all about turkish resort workers and dudu's in particular.Once again sorry
You are right and that knowledge was based on one trip!
We should start an apology petition for aenigma's friends!!
Firstly I would apologise for recommending Marmaris!
Twice I have been to Oludeniz, and I can truly say we had no bother, nothing but good humoured banter with the restauranteers. As for airport food, YUK! we bought some sandwiches from a humourous sandwich seller, before we left for the airport.
This year we are going to a small place near Bodrum so I will report back!
It is a shame if people get hassled but sometimes we ask for it! I am thinking of my carpet seller - we fell for his ploy
Have you heard of discussion forums?
Perhaps Janette thought it might be more interesting and informative to hear about them from Turkish people who know the history, rather than from Wikipedia?
Well that was the idea to hear it maybe from turkish people and maybe hear the variations in stories and myths about these tombs. Never mind theres always google to get it 'right'!
We saw the tombs last year, but apparently there a several myths about them. Some people seem to think they were made just for tourists in the 1980's but others say they have been there thousands of years and all the treasures they held have been plundered over the years. It is a shame that no one has posted you a response with their version.
So it seems like forever since anyone has posted here. I was reading these posts when my online romance was just a crush. It has since become a full blown love affair. Here's the catch, we've never met face to face ecxept for on the web cam. And we were falling in love before he had convinced me to buy my web cam. We have about a 20 year age difference, go ahead, take a guess, I am older than him! But he is HOT BABY! Sweet Turkish delight! And we are working out the details of how/when/where etc., for him to come here (or me there). Much of it depending on the timing of his military service. But that aside,because of his religious faith, my love is still a virgin. We did not meet on holiday. No drunken nights of passion, only what we share online. And there is a LOT to be said for a lover who can do more for you online than any man has been able to in person, let me tell you. And I've had some that were pretty dang good! So it has to be the Turkish Man Effect. This is my first (and last!) Turkish romance. He is sincere. We met on the video game Second Life where he became my "SL" husband and he took those vows as sacred as real life. They are to him an engagement vow. His devotion to his family and the way he treats a woman is amazing. I have children from a previous marriage and he loves them dearly. They have spoken on the webcam. He knows that I cannot have more children and this is fine with him. He wants to marry me for me, not for what might or might not happen. He believes that Allah put us together for a reason. The odds of us meeting were so astonishingly slim the circumstances surrounding our relationship were amazing. (too long to go into) But he was my best friend and supporter. We have been known to spend 10 to 12 hours on some days on line together. I have never been treated so well by any man in any country, and I have lived in the US and Europe. This one is a keeper! He is kind and compassionate, supportive and loving, passionate and deep with his emotions. These are often charecteristics that are encouraged by Western men to be hidden. Erkan's beautiful faith in God has inspired me to study the Muslim religion and I will be converting to Islam in the near future, for me, not for him. Turkiye is the most liberal of all of the Islamic countries when it comes to it's treatment of Women. I think this is largely due to the fact that Turkish men really do love women. I believe every "I love you" that comes from him, because he has told me how much he needs me to love him. I have had more love in the 7 months we have been together than I have in 18 years of an icy marriage.
My Heart's in K.Maras,
Lionessg
You have never seen him in person, gone out on a date? But know that he is the man your in love with and you want to covert to Muslim all over the internet.
But this is still a language class as well as an opportunity to meet other people and share opinions.
Whatever you all think, I am big enough to make my own mistakes and although a lot of you probably do not approve, when all is said and done, this is my relationship be it good or bad.
So could some kind person possibly help me with the translation, after all, this is what Language Class is for isnt it ??
çok tesekkur ederim
Charlotte Rose
I was under the impression that firstly this site is to LEARN Turkish!
BMW 3 series and it does about 45 miles to the gallon - very confusing as we buy fuel in litres and use it in gallons which are not the same size gallons as USA!
But cost of fuel is becoming a world wide problem.
OMG, so there's no sanity in these measurements, is there! Somehow it really doesn't make sense that a car with a 3 liter engine would make 45 miles on a gallon of gas. I think only Prius can do that!
It is a 2 litre engine, 3 series is just the style! I actually drive like a formula one driver and I still get 45 to the gallon! If I drove sedately like (dare I saw it) a woman should, then I would propably get more 50+
suicide watch in case of paparazzi waiting for suicide of Amy Winehouse..hope she will not be tempted to it
What? Where did you see this? The paparazzi are enough to drive the most balanced person to suicide or drink or drugs! See someone down and just kick thema bit more, to make they don't get up! Or if they are not down, how can we get them down??????
Haven't you noticed how rather "charged" topics are regularly posted by the same characters.
I agree with you. "thehandsom & incishka" are both fine examples of partiality, while possesing a keen sense of what constitutes being "open-minded". Mustafa Akyol, on the other hand, is a becaon of enlightment.
Quoting armegon:
Then most of the teachers and professors are also close-minded but Mustafa Whitepath, thehandsom and incişka are open-minded
Post some of your own charged topics - tell us about Mustafa Akyol, as I for one have never heard of him! Who is he?
How many litres is that? Our diesel is now approx £1.30 litre and it would cost me about £60/£65 to fill my car, but I don't know how much really as I only ever put £50 worth in
What kind of car are you driving? Gas here is about $4 a gallon..
BMW 3 series and it does about 45 miles to the gallon - very confusing as we buy fuel in litres and use it in gallons which are not the same size gallons as USA!
But cost of fuel is becoming a world wide problem.
today...95USdlls to fill my car's gas tank... this is outrageous!!!!!!!!
What the hell are you driving!!! A hummer?
I wish!!!
but no, it is a Ford Explorer
How many litres is that? Our diesel is now approx £1.30 litre and it would cost me about £60/£65 to fill my car, but I don't know how much really as I only ever put £50 worth in
Oh I am SOOOO TEMPTED to make a comment here - but perhaps it's better if I don't!!
Comment !!! That is an order
Oh, ok then! - I just wish that people would LERN the grammar and spelling of their own language as well as trying to learn another - it would make it so much easier for them. (That was a more polite version of the comment I wanted to make before! )
Haha! Not quite the angle I thought you was coming from
The girl who sits across the desk from me, she has the most annoying rasping voice which drills into your brain, and works it's way down your spine and comes to your feet!
As the world marks World Day against Child Labor today, Turkey can stand tall after reducing the number of employed children to 958,000 from 2.6 million within 12 years.
As part of its accession to the European Union process, Turkey, one of the very first countries to join the ILO International Program of Elimination of Child Labor (ILO-IPEC), is taking stringent measures to prevent child labor.
Modified!
Huge embrassment as I just found the other thread!
I am shocked and suprised that no-one has commented on last nights game!!!!!!!!
Switzerland vs Turkey!
It was an incredible game, they played football in all but a lake for most of the first half. Turkey were on top from the start, until it started to rain.................... Clearly they did not like the flooding conditions and the run of the game became frustrating and at points dangerous. Switzerland scored really because the ball came to a standstill in front of the goal mouth in a small lake.
Half time and the pitch was all but restored and the rain stopped, Turkey pulled out all the stops and won with two cracking goals!
The Swiss player, Hakan Yakin, who scored, he is of Turkish descent. Did I detect two others with Turkish names in the Swiss team? Gökhan Inler could have played for Turkey but was persuaded to play for Switzerland by the coach. So too is Eren Derdiyok of Turkish descent and could have played for Turkey!!
You may say only God can decide and know what is going to happen next..i imagine you feel sad for her, but she get the chance enjoy life with a loving family. She become source of fun for her family and teach them how to take responsibility...they learn as a family, in bad and good, they ll stick together just like they promised infront of God...
Meaning, I am gobsmacked that you posted this story, actually posted the photo. You have no choice, your life is blighted, I am sorry but that is how it is. I am sure they will work hard as a family to lead a normal life and you may say, what is normal. I can't answer that. I am not sure how I would cope with this situation and please don't say that God is there to help.
Despite my Carpet Seller Tale, I now have a beatiful Turkish Rug in one of my bedrooms, and bought with the help of a wonderful Turkish friend, experienced at bargaining
We have this funny comedy of an old junk shop that perports to be an antiques shop. The thread of the joke is, that well heeled women come to the shop to buy an "antique" and he sells then rubbish, but while doing so he says "I saw you coming" ! Of course these women are a bit dim and they think he literally saw them coming along the street Bit like the carpet sellers when they see English people heading their way!
I was wondering about that too. I heard the prayers many times and I always stayed at the same hotel which is so near to the Blue Mosque. Yet I never saw the taxis stop, or business stop or anyone trying to stop to observe the prayer. Maybe those more responding muslims were already inside the mosque by the time of the prayers.
Exactly! This is the summary of the Turkish religious life!
You are managing to convince me that I imagined taxis pulling up and the driver going in the mosque!
I TRUST you libralady..
I know I have a wild imagination but not normally about taxis
Are you SURE he wasn't just popping into the ciggie shop next door????
I was wondering about that too. I heard the prayers many times and I always stayed at the same hotel which is so near to the Blue Mosque. Yet I never saw the taxis stop, or business stop or anyone trying to stop to observe the prayer. Maybe those more responding muslims were already inside the mosque by the time of the prayers.
Exactly! This is the summary of the Turkish religious life!
You are managing to convince me that I imagined taxis pulling up and the driver going in the mosque!
I TRUST you libralady..
I know I have a wild imagination but not normally about taxis
Well I was excited but not so! I was going to Wembly Stadium on Thursday for a conference, now it has been cancelled. So I wont get to see the new stadium after all
I was wondering about that too. I heard the prayers many times and I always stayed at the same hotel which is so near to the Blue Mosque. Yet I never saw the taxis stop, or business stop or anyone trying to stop to observe the prayer. Maybe those more responding muslims were already inside the mosque by the time of the prayers.
Exactly! This is the summary of the Turkish religious life!
You are managing to convince me that I imagined taxis pulling up and the driver going in the mosque!
EGYPT'S CHILD LABOURERS
caption of the images say:Egyptian cotton is considered to be the most luxurious in the world. Human Rights Watch estimates though that over 1 million children aged between 7 and 12 are employed annally in it's production. Small farmers also claim to be expolited by the large cooperatives that control the market.
This is sooo sad...I wonder how much they get paid? Now I'm going to have a hard time sleeping with my 100% Egyptian cotton sheets.
Teas it happens everywhere on this unjust world,in every underdeveloped,poor country children's abuse is on daily basis and it is damn outrageous...
There are two ways to look at this!
1) Unjust, cruel, abusive etc etc
2) the child labourer is a means to an end for a very poor family. With out their income they would be destitute
I know of initiatives where children that are working because of the poor family, the companies provide schools and other assistance to them. And by companies I mean western companies, for instance Walmart, Nike, Reebok, B&Q. The companies work with the producers/manufacturers to try and get more adults into work and become less reliant on chilren. It cannot be stopped over night, it is a process that takes time.
When I was in Istanbul I saw taxi's pull up on the side of the road, drivers get out and go into the mosque and I saw shops shut for a few minutes while they went to the mosque and I literally saw 20 or so men troup into the mosque near Galata bridge.
It may be only for the friday prayer which is had to be read in that time, noon of friday only. For the other times, people don't stop working or doing something. Indeed, there are many people who don't care friday prayer too. So it sounds weird for me, stopping his work and go to the mosque? hmmmmm
The Turkish national government got on this thing a few years ago about people getting fit, so they started installing free gym equipment in public parks. It seemed to me, though, that they were only putting this equipment in parks near rich neighbourhoods,
----- I TOTALLY DISAGREE, BECAUSE I NOTICED A FEW WHILE WALKING ALONG THE MARMARA STARTING FROM YEDIKULE TO KUMKAPI----
which never made any sense to me because rich people can afford to go to the gym.
But people were coming off the machines huffing and puffing and sweating, so I think there’s some real exercise going on here.
http://melissamaples.com/2007/12/29/free-fitness-in-the-great-outdoors/
We have free fitness in the great out doors, it is called the country side! Walking, running, cycling................ we have parks where there is "gym" equipment, but more like that you would find in the army. Cargo nets, logs for bunny hops, places for chin ups etc etc Who wants to go to the gym and smell other peoples sweat when you can exercise outside?
As for airconditioning, YUK, full of diseases and danger. I NEVER switch it on in Turkey, you know you can contract legionaires disease from these contraptions if they are not properly cleaned and serviced?
It was captured on security cameras above the street. The police have issued it.
Silly me! I am no longer used to constant surveillance (apart from my neighbours ) here - forgot about security cameras. But still, wouldn't have put it past someone to stand there recording it on their phone
It could be one of the reasons people did not approach him was fear of law suites. There have been a few cases of "Good Samaritans" being sued by those they tried to help. In the US people are warned not to touch or move a injured person. It would have been better if someone would have made a barricade around him to protect him from more injury from vehicles.
It is very sad to see the vehicles passing him by. I think the TV society we have has made use all like passive viewers instead of involved citizens.
First thing, why did the person not stop who hit him? I hope the police find him / her. If the man dies, it is murder. Nothing to do with TV society, it is to do with people not caring, only thinking about themselves. People drive round this man like he was a wounded animal, not a human being. Don't these people have a conscience? I hope they watch this film and it makes them sick of themselves.
It was captured on security cameras above the street. The police have issued it.
Silly me! I am no longer used to constant surveillance (apart from my neighbours ) here - forgot about security cameras. But still, wouldn't have put it past someone to stand there recording it on their phone
Good luck to Turkey against Portugal tonight. It should be a good game.
Portugal were always my favourites, (something to do with Figo! but now he has retired............) I am routing for Turkey! We get to see highlights tonight on good old Match of the Day!!!!
Hope you have a good time JohnK! A little bit of me is very envious of you being in Istanbul
Several good reasons above why I would not have a Turkish bath! Sounds like torture to me, I shuddered at the vision of the naked woman doing the bathing. Why would she be naked?
A sad indicment of how society has become so deplorable.
A 78 year old man is knocked over whilst crossing a street and he is critically injured and lying unconcious in the road.
1) the car that hit him does not stop
2) other cars drive round him
3) passers by stand looking at him
4) no one goes to give assistance
5) no one calls an ambulance
6) man on scooters pulls away from the side of the road, driving round him and ignoring him
He is still lying in the road, cars are still driving around him and eventually a police car stops and calls for the ambulance.
A video clip of this has been released to the public to try and shock the society into feeling guilty for their actions.
When people were interviewed in the street about it, most did not give a damn, not my problem!
I am delieveratly not saying where this happened.
That is truly awful - probably got a good idea where this was though. But why didn't you add to your list the person who was VIDEOING all this??? What the hell?? - was he/she hoping to post it on YouTube or something????
It was captured on security cameras above the street. The police have issued it.
A sad indicment of how society has become so deplorable.
A 78 year old man is knocked over whilst crossing a street and he is critically injured and lying unconcious in the road.
1) the car that hit him does not stop
2) other cars drive round him
3) passers by stand looking at him
4) no one goes to give assistance
5) no one calls an ambulance
6) man on scooters pulls away from the side of the road, driving round him and ignoring him
He is still lying in the road, cars are still driving around him and eventually a police car stops and calls for the ambulance.
A video clip of this has been released to the public to try and shock the society into feeling guilty for their actions.
When people were interviewed in the street about it, most did not give a damn, not my problem!
When I was in Istanbul I saw taxi's pull up on the side of the road, drivers get out and go into the mosque and I saw shops shut for a few minutes while they went to the mosque and I literally saw 20 or so men troup into the mosque near Galata bridge.
Very funny! But also she is a bit misinformed on the European topless bit! She was in the Asian side of Istanbul and Turkish women don't go topless on the beach
I have never heard this call to prayer, but would love to experience it one day. Five times a day huh...How long does this usually last, each prayer that is. Does everyone stop when their working etc..to prayer each time? Just curious...
You have never heard the call? First one is about 5:00 ish. When I was in Istanbul I heard the call, five times a day, taxis stopped, shops closed and men troup across the road, wash their feet and enter the mosque. Yes they stop work and go and pray.
libralady i can get passionate and excited about football as the next man or woman but just trying to create a good impression on this board!!!
So does anyone know if we can watch turkey v switzerland next wednesday on a large screen anywhere in istanbul. failing that i am sure the hotel will be showing it.
Sorry for making fun, I am sure someone will be able to help!
wow wow..
Dell went into 9.000 and the other company:
"I will go to £8800 and give you a Free PC added to the laptop, but I need to tie this down in the next 30 mins."
It also shows how capitalism works -rich get richer, poor get poorer.
But also in communist states, there are plenty of rich people who have achieved that at the expense of their countrymen and USSR as it was suddenly spings to mind and also China, by not letting their countrymen "think" for themselves! And what about Chaucescu in Romania, Amelda Marcos and her shoes?
Brit sues Greek resort because too many Germans.
This is pathetic...
I just remembered, we went to Tunisia on a last minute cheap all-inclusive (never again btw :-S )holiday a few years ago and the ratio of Germans to everyone else in the hotel was about 100/1. My football loving, ManU supporting, non-tattooed, non-bald, non-overweight (well maybe a little bit!) husband was furious because it was the World Cup or something and they were only showing Germany's games and not England's!! Also - it was VERY difficult to get a sunbed and there was a children's club for the German children but none for the rest - I wish we'd thought of suing .
Do you remember the advert for Carling Black Label ? The spoof of the bouncing bomb, Germans set alarms, rush out of the hotel early to lay their towels on the sunbeds. English man stands on balcony and throws his towel into the pool, except it bounces across the water and lands on a sunbed. towel unrolls and out falls a can of Carling Black Label, all done to the Dambusters sound track! Talk about taking the mick!
Wow, are you and LIR old friends or something? Maybe you should've send it to her pm instead then . Thanks for sharing your whole private life with everyone on tc though.
Hehe! Could be straight out of Best Magazine! I think I lead a sheltered life
Then why have you always been so reluctant to shre this information?
Don't you think it's his personal business where he's from?
It is personal of course and no one is forcing him. My only observation is this. In my entire life, I have never met anyone who declined to answer where they are from when asked. I find this very, very strange.
I don't find it strange at all, judging by the way he was "asked". He was ridiculed and challenged as part of a childish game. Since it is nobody's business what part of Turkey thehandsom is from, I find it very strange that people keep on making a big deal out of it.
Some people share every detail of their life and others prefer to keep incognito - it is everyone's perogative to be either way.
The bride said she was a virgin. When her new husband discovered that was a lie, he went to court to annul the marriage — and a French judge agreed.
The ruling ending the Muslim couple's union has stunned France and raised concerns the country's much-cherished secular values are losing ground to cultural traditions from its fast-growing immigrant communities.
The decision also exposed the silent shame borne by some Muslim women who transgress long-held customs demanding proof of virginity on the wedding night.
In its ruling, the court concluded the woman had misrepresented herself as a virgin and that, in this particular marriage, virginity was a prerequisite.
But in treating the case as a breach of contract, the ruling was decried by critics who said it undermined decades of progress in women's rights. Marriage, they said, was reduced to the status of a commercial transaction in which women could be discarded by husbands claiming to have discovered hidden defects in them.
ALL have their hair cut short that it makes them look like men.
I love short hair styles on women. I think they look much sexier and there is so more you can do with them.
what is it exactly you can do with short hair and you can NOT do with long hair?
It is hard to understand women who deny their partners pleasure of combing their hair with their fingers!!
I have had long hair, half way down my back, I have had short spiky hair, now I have a mid length bob, and I am yet to have the pleasure of my husband comb my hair with his fingers, no matter how many hints I drop! :-S
Such toilets are typical to the Eastern countries. You will likely find them in China, Russia, all Middle East (huh, including Egypt) and Africa. Then it looks like more than a half of the world uses such "hole" type of toilets
Us soft Westerners are such a finicky lot! And definitely in China it is a "hole in the ground" and you are lucky if there is a door too! (in my experience hehe!)
It seems rather unfair to talk behind people's back.
Although I don't agree with some of what is being said above, some of the comments are a bit strong. It is not exactly talking behind someones back. TC is public and I am sure they both view the site - they have been around here far too long just to walk away. If they wanted to respond they would join again.
I am not defending it but it is not the first time that someone has been discussed after they have been deleted and it wont be the last.
Talking behind someones back is discussing someone via PM and I sure most of us are guilty of that at some point.
alpha,
friend,
piece of my heart
and heart of my peace
it is time for you to show up.
this site misses you.
Yeh! Come in Alpha, your time is up! You must come back to TC and post so that we have someone to argue with again
Peanut season...busy with collecting
I never thought of that one! So where ever peanuts are grown, (USA I thought.......... thinking of Jimmy Carter), Alpha could be lurking amongst the furrows.
Being a "Brit" I try and avoid them at all cost when I am on holiday, hence the post about the "Brits abroad syndrome" when it comes to football.
The stereotypical British Male watching football abroad, is fat, bald, overweight, has a Man Untd football shirt hanging from his much too small shorts with his much to large belly hanging over the top and he MUST have a pint of beer in his hand. He is covered with tatoos, some of which relate to ex girlfriends, maybe chilren, his Mum and Dad and some pet snake he had
In the "old days" employers used to have huge phone bills. Now with msn chat etc people can at least spend a few minutes sorting out their private lives / checking their kids got home from school OK / making a doctors appointment etc etc without costing an employer more.
As an employer and a manager myself, I can say that the majority of staff work hard and are dedicated. These guys can come in a few minutes late with an emergency, do a bit of facebook, go home half an hour early because the gas man is coming, and it is no problem because when we have a rush on and they need to stay late to finish the work, they do so. It is give and take. I treat them like an adult and they behave like one.
Other staff members (the very small minority) sadly don't deserve any trust, they mess around at any opportunity, are always the last in and first out. The best thing is not to check up on them, but get rid of them! In actual fact, normally it isn't me (the boss) that gets wound up about them first, but their colleagues (peers) who feel they are not taking their fair share of the workload!
I don't think they monitor your screen in US. Say you are connected to your bank to make some transactions or buy/sell some shares at the stock exchange and they see your computer screen. Not nice at all.
You are completely missing the point!!
An employee is being paid by their employer to do the job for which they are being paid! They are not being paid or being given access to the internet to conduct personal business durning the time in which the company is paying them!
No, I am not.
To be productive for your employer, You need sort out your personal things. Otherwise you cannot concentrate on your job and it wouldn't be good for your employer. Say you have some bills you need to pay using Internet banking. Of course you should use their Internet. Otherwise you should go out to the bank to pay your bills.
when I was with my ex husband on one of his treking up mountain adventures I was caught short , I did the right thing dug a hole sqatted and even used leaves for my bum, im not proud it was either that orrrrrrrrrrrrr carry the package home with me, nowwwwwwwww im getting graphic
Now that's called roughing it in the wild. At least you disposed of it properly...the girl scouts would be proud of you.
We call it wild camping! Now we are starting to get bogged down but at least this subject compliments the street food subject
They are my favourite toilets in public. I think especially for women...A lot cleaner. Or are you sitting on the seats of the public toilets??? I have always found the seat unnecessary as I'm not using it. They're just bothering me.
For the trousers, you have to fold them one or two times, or
as you're kneeling down, you have to pull them upward a bit, and then later that's all, they won't get any dirty :=) But the key point is, you have to kneel down completely, not just a bit like you're sitting on a seat, completely, and then you'll not have any muscle pain, or any problem about getting dirty.
Hopefully, in France, I can still find some, but very few.
Now France is a whole different kettle of fish! What about the ones on the side of streets, they door opens when you insert your coin, you do your business (normal toilets by the way) and then the door opens again..........................before you have finished! YIKS!
I havent managed to gain enough concidence and try it with trousers. Still think Im very much in a riskzone of wetting myself the wrong way!!
Isn't this the reason those traditional women's trousers tie at the bottom? So they can't fall on the floor
Maybe carrying a pair of cycle clips is the answer?
The idea is not to get the bottom of your trousers wet, for obvious reason, so lifting them above your knees makes the most sense! And like I said, experience.................
I knew there was a reason I did not book holiday in Turkey in June - to avoid the 'Brits abroad when the football is on', syndrome! No offence meant John, but ever been to a holiday resort and the football (Worldcup or Euro is on?) It is a nightmare! Fatmen in England tops who have never kicked a ball in their lives, know far more than the coach and of course the ref is crap whilst downing pint after pint YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
What book are you reading at the moment, who is the author and what made you want to read it and did you enjoy it?
My lastest read is:
Half of a Yellow Sun by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
Fiction
It is based at the time if the civil war in Nigeria in 1960 and how three lives intersect with one another. One is the house boy Ugwu, second in Olanna, who married the master of the house boy and the third is Richard the boyfriend of her sister. It is a bit slow to begin with, until you get to know the charactures then it becomes absorbing as the war breaks out and what some of us remember as Biafra is written about. The ending is abrupt and you want it to finish by telling you where all the charactures are, but you are left wondering.
I chose this book because I wanted to read something difference from my usual type of real life stories. The front cover also catches you eye and the reviews are good.
I enjoyed reading it, not the best book I have read, but all the same contains some very interesting description.
Yes there are racey pictures in the newspapers. But I never have seen porn out in the open in Istanbul. I know there are some shops in Taksim and another in Levent but I disagree that it is all over Istanbul open to see.
Yes, depends on your definition of porn. I think the word "Racy" sums it up in this instance!
Some of us can overcome certain obstacles and exercise tolerance, nothing is perfect in life, hey, why not go with the flow, I also had to get used to the squat toilets in Turkey.
Squat toilets can be a shock to people who are used to a sit-down type toilet, and may be difficult to use for the unwary, especially if on trains or ships.
I see no problem with squat toilets! At least you are not sitting where someone else has been sitting! Just remember girls, if you are wearing trousers to lift them well above your knees before you squat - believe me, experience talks here!
Most of the religious people think that "without religion, people would not want to be good".
Can morality without a god exist?
do you agree with Dostoyevsky as he said "if there is no God, then everything is permissible.†?
I live 80 / 90% of my life without religion and have done so for many years, since I was about 8 or 9 years old, when no one could explain to me where God lived or what he looked like, and how come he did not stop wars or innocent people dying and murderers lived. The only religion that I get involved in is funerals and weddings, nothing more, then I do that reluctantly and feel a hypocrite.
To me religion is the cause of much trouble in the world and many religious people are hypocrites. If religion was pure and just a set of guidelines , no make believe God, then I would subscribe to it. I find it incredible that people believe in something that is not tangible, never been any proof of existance.
Sorry I forgot to answer the question! Actually I am not good all the time, but that has nothing to do with religion! But I believe in values such as being polite, respectful, kind, helpful, hard working.....nothing in life is free sort of attitude.
One thing that I am completely paranoid about, being watched 24/7 by on street camera's! There are camera's in every corner of the UK, in the pretence to catch criminals! HAHA! If only it were true! Humans Rights law allows people to challenge the "evidence" caught on camera and it becomes inadmissable!
Oh my god! Are you serious???????
A year ago, there were 4.2 million cameras, one for every 14th person, and on average you are filmed 300 times a day! And yes it has been known that someone human rights has been violated and they have challenged evidence in court. I must admit, there have been many crimes solved with cameras, but it does not reduce the amount of crime in this country.
Of course it is. Regular daily papers with NEWS contain pornography sections in them and their main pages always contain at least a couple half-naked pictures of women. It's truly disgusting.
............. i think that is disgusting!!!!... more than that... porn is sick!
Personally I don't consider a few photos in newspapers to be porn! I think that is a complete over reaction.
A homeless women has been found living in a cupboard in a mans wardrobe in Japan. The homeless woman crept into the unlocked house and made her self at home. He became suspicous when food started disapearing and set up cameras to sends pictures to his mobile. He saw something moving on the phone and called the police.
It was discovered that had been living in the house for a year, taking showers and eating the man's food and he did not notice!
Must have been difficult for a woman to stay quiet for so long
Seriously, legally your employer has the right to look at
pretty much everything you write, IM, send, or store on
their hardware.
Of course they do! They are paying for you to sit at your desk and perform a "service" in exchange for money. They have provided you with equipment for the job. If you choose to spend your paid time talking to friends, then you can't really object when your employer keeps checks on you.
People think I am quite paranoid about emails etc. at work, but I think it's pretty justified
One thing that I am completely paranoid about, being watched 24/7 by on street camera's! There are camera's in every corner of the UK, in the pretence to catch criminals! HAHA! If only it were true! Humans Rights law allows people to challenge the "evidence" caught on camera and it becomes inadmissable!
As for your employer watching your every move, all access to anything that is remotely like "social networking" is blocked where I work. I am surprised I can still access TC at work, although I only use it now at lunch time.
A wonderful web site that aims at initiating a debate about this and which is a long needed voice of criticism of the pornification of our culture and everything around! This topic is especially important for Turkey, since porn is even more widespread and normalized there then it is in the US!
don't you know still Turkey full with sex.porn addicteds and perverts.And they sleep and wake with only this worry,what a pity.....Theres a saying in Turkish>>''Dervişin fikri neyse zikri odur''..
MrX it is the same world over, Turkey is no different.
A homeless women has been found living in a cupboard in a mans wardrobe in Japan. The homeless woman crept into the unlocked house and made her self at home. He became suspicous when food started disapearing and set up cameras to sends pictures to his mobile. He saw something moving on the phone and called the police.
It was discovered that had been living in the house for a year, taking showers and eating the man's food and he did not notice!
Just an update. The death toll is now 68,800 with a missing number of 19,000 people. About 14 million people need to resettle, among whom are those urgently evacuating from danger of flooding.
Yes China is helping itself. Yet when seeing for example the orthopaedic surgeons cutting limbs 24 hour non-stop in the first week after the disaster, doctors from other provinces, and also Hong Kong and Japan were rushing to the tragic cities to help resolve the urgent need of surgeries, medical care and epidermic control. Now they are in great need of specialties in installing artificial limbs, rehab, psychiatric treatment and coping with all possible contagious diseases. Rainy season and hot summer season are coming and thus make the suffering people's situation worse.
Do remember all these people and the army and the rescuing personnels, local or from overseas.
I think China has dealt with and is still dealing with the aftermath brilliantly. I heard today that more people have been evacuated because of a lake that developed because fo the earthquake could burst it's banks. The recovery process will take many months, and possible years and I am sure that other countries will do their best to help.
I agree Ninja, we should commend all those people that have assisted in some terrible conditions to help everyone.
Maybe that depends on where you live. In NYC you see it everywhere, in the SF Bay Area, it's all over too. Istanbul, being a large metropolis, probably follows the model of other large metropolitan areas.
Possible, but from my own experience, porn is not put out on the streets in the US as much as it is in Istanbul. I was literally walking on the streets in IST and looking at naked pictures of women. It has NEVER happened to me in the US, even in NYC.
Interesting, you see what you see and I see what I see. I never was looking for it, but saw it anyway pretty open and in your face.
If you are talking about naked women and men on fronts of magazines the only city that I have been to where you won't see this is London! It is serupticiously kept on the top shelf of the newsagents. But there are still plenty of problems within the porn industry. Magazines are just a very small part of it.
Go to Paris, Amsterdam, Milan, Hamburg, etc etc and "porn mags" are openly sold on the streets in full view of children.
Canli, I repeat and urge you: DO USE YOUR COMMON SENSE and don't rely on my words. I would be careful eating sea food from street vendors. Simit is safe and corn on the cob is very safe and chestnuts.
I have a cast iron constitution and will anything from street vendors (except chestnusts as I have them). I have eaten goodness knows what from Hong Kong street vendors, but I do admit to having had one too many glasses "falling down water", and then wondering the next day..............ergh! You can always keep a packet of imodium just in case!
In my opinion, drive it underground, problem gets worse! And it ranks a bit below drug and gun /knife crimes and do you see these problems getting any better?
Pornography is not just about using women; it also about using men. I dont see anyone complaining about the exploitation of males in gay porn? I am sure that goes on too. So once the individuals stop allowing themselves to become involved in the "industry" and often it goes hand in hand with drugs then the problem resolves itself, or does it? Another question for debate.
that's a good one! I've seen some silly actions on a Polish internet auction site - like false blood for Emo What always makes me laugh on eBay is when you browse the "Baby" category, in the right bottom corner where ads are, it reads "Buy baby/Sell baby". You'd think it's illegal!
There is also a number on blogs laughing at online sellers photographic skills
that post photos from online auctions - pay attention to backgrounds, light and
But someone in Germany tried to sell their baby, or wanted tos ee if anyone would bid for it, and the German authorities took the bay into care! Serve them right I say
A clever customs official at an airport in Japan has Mislaid Cannabis! during a training session. He loaded the cannabis into a randomly selected case and the sniffer dog failed to find it! He unfortunately forgot which case it was in and someone has left the airport with some nice fresh cannabis! I hope he enjoys it!
I think that China has adequate resources to deal with the Earthquake and their military have been praised for their promptness in dealing with the aftermath. From what I have seen on the news, they have reacted brilliantly, unlike the Junta in Burma.
Did you know they pulled someone else out alive at the weekend? He is 80 years and had been trapped under his house, unable to get out because he was already paralised. His wife had been feeding him until they were able to remove the debris.
The UK does have a rapid response team, but it is not easy to get onto it. You have to have some sort of skill that is appropriate to the disaster. I enquired about getting onto the team after the earthquake in Izmit, but was rejected as I did not have the right skills.
I thought this thread wouldnt turn into a make-fun thing but it has already happened.. I am serious, and waiting for replies from those who only really had experiences or have some knowledge.
Sorry to make a bit of fun!
It is quite a specialist subject and not something most people get involved in. We did stuff like this at school and some girls got expelled. It is not encouraged. And yes I do have weird dreams, in colour, and like real life. I even dream that I am awake, and I don't know if I awake or asleep!
I have also had strange experiences after my Grandmother died and my brother-in-law was killed. I dreamt he was dead but walking around in a party of our friends, and only I could see him. He was dressed in the shroud that they put him in when he died. I asked him what he was doing and he said he was just checking up to make sure everyone was OK, and then left. It was the most distubing dream I have ever had. Then for a long time after that, my phone bleeped everynight at 2:00, the time the police came to our house.
But I have never been to a psychic or anything like that!
Why??? It's not... I'm talking about creating energy balls, reading minds, being able to manipulate objects without touching them or having weird dreams...
That is why I run! Weird dreams are my speciality! but I put that down to eating too much cheese!
... although I am sure Marion is an exception to this rule. Not so sure about Lady in Red though - she seems to enjoy one too many tipples during the day
Hmmm yes a new msn account to stop you talking to other men might be the answer. Or ...perhaps...a relationship where you speak the same language
PS. Can you REALLY delete an MSN account?
Actually, you are right, they still exist, you can have new accounts but they will always exist, MSN are not that stupid as to let you delete an account
Anyway, why would you let someone have such a hold over you? Has he done the same?
Am staying in Istanbul in June for 3 nights. First visit. will be staying in old part. Would like to see some of the main sights but do not want to be rushing around. So looking at guide book are these the main places to visit
GRAND BAZAAR
SULTANAHAMET MOSQUE
TOPKAPI PALACE
DOLMABAHCE PALACE
AYA SOFYA
BLUE MOSQUE
How long would you allow for each place?
Which of these are close to each other?
We will visit again so it does not matter if we cant see everything.
Would like to do a boat trip across Bosphorus. What is shortest journey?
Any restaurants that anyone can recommend in the old quarter.
While you are there, go to the Basilica Cysterns, they are opposite the Blue Mosque across the tram line. All of these places are close but make sure you know which exit you come from the Grand Bazaar as you could come out in the wrong place! I came out in the University square, but if you have a good map of Istanbul you should be OK. I bought one from Stanfords Maps shop in Covent Garden, London. You buy on line. It is a Euocity map.
The area around Galata is really nice too, with quaint streets, and you come to the Galata Bridge with all the restaurants underneath. But a nice cheap interesting option is to stop at the kebab shop just before the bridge, sit and have a 2YTL kebab, a beer and watch the world go by!
was it used for apologizing... or waiting for some to apologize from you..
I beg your pardon, can be taken as a sarcastic (Hey we are British and good at that!) comment, if you have made a slightly offensive remark to someone.
In the olden days (even before my time ) is was a very polite way of asking for someones forgiveness, if you have mildly offended someone in a face to face conversation, something along those lines anyway.
No doubt it came from our mediaeval times, when one was about to have one's head chopped off for stealing apples or something trivial like that
Incidently to Turkey, Israel or Azerbaijan consider themselves to be europeans?
...or just when it suits?
the right sentence here should be
Turkey Israel Azerbaijan Armenia Georgia Russia are considered as Europeneans when it suits
If we really want to get pendantic, then these countries are not in Europe either:
Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania, Norway, Iceland!!!!
But how do they determine Europe? The EU and EEA? Or EEA, and EFTA? Who knows as there would still be several countries not covered. And initially there were 43 countries entered so who the hell are they all??????
Time to make a stand fellow Europeans! Lets get rid of the competition
my comment was just to fix a gramatical mistake nobody is perfect huh? but i am nobody! lol
anyway... i dont really mind if i am considered as europenean or not, i really dont give a damn to that... i am just in one world!!!
we all are under the same sky!
and please!!! why dont you all the time complain about this!! it was a nice show!! people love it!! let them entertain!!!
Sorry not quite the last word! My comments are a little tongue in cheek, just like the show! Don't take me too seriously! It is not half as camp or entertaining as it used to be
And here is my last word on it! Someone has been very busy since Saturday night! Eurovision on Wiki ............ Everything you could possibly want to know, except how they decided on the countries to participate
Incidently to Turkey, Israel or Azerbaijan consider themselves to be europeans?
...or just when it suits?
the right sentence here should be
Turkey Israel Azerbaijan Armenia Georgia Russia are considered as Europeneans when it suits
If we really want to get pendantic, then these countries are not in Europe either:
Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Croatia, Bosnia, Albania, Norway, Iceland!!!!
But how do they determine Europe? The EU and EEA? Or EEA, and EFTA? Who knows as there would still be several countries not covered. And initially there were 43 countries entered so who the hell are they all??????
Time to make a stand fellow Europeans! Lets get rid of the competition
Incidently to Turkey, Israel or Azerbaijan consider themselves to be europeans?
...or just when it suits?
Actually Azerbaijan quite surprised me, lots of booty showing! And another things, what was it with all that costume changing, that drove me crazy............. And I too more or less guessed who was going to vote for whom.
No I meant the Irish voting - GB - Huit Point, Poland - Neuf Point et Latvia Dix Point! Long live the Eurovision Song Contest!
Oh, I see! Well, the reason is that there are many more Polish immigrants here than the British ones. Still it remains a mystery why Latvia scored so much...I guess in a country where a turkey called Douglas wins national voting, pirates might do aaaaaaarrrrrriggghht
Probably only the Poles in Irealdn that know where Latvia is?
I have the same, only it's called free tv online
I know who mentioned Susie Wong -> a person not called armagedon addressed me with the words 'you are wrong susie wong' Was he trying to imply something?
That post was not adressed u, if u did care, i quoted from another member in that post, thought her name is susie wong because of AlphaFs post in other thread calling her with this name.
I know! But I thought I would just add a little of my limited knowledge by saying who she was!
Just proves that no one likes the UK! Our only allies are Ireland and even then Poland and Latvia came above us! !
Latvia did come above UK, but it's probably because of that semi-pirate hymn they committed (yes, committed is a word used on purpose here). But Poland was not above you, we, you and Germany got 14 points so we made the bottom 3. It is the alphabet that put you in the final position.
No I meant the Irish voting - GB - Huit Point, Poland - Neuf Point et Latvia Dix Point! Long live the Eurovision Song Contest!
Now this is interesting, I knew nothing about different Turkish Passport until I read this. So I had a look on our favourite source of information used in TC.
Turkish TC members, can you fill us in a bit more detail about passports?
Have you noticed Libralady, that on this wiki-page there is no information about visa for e.g. UK and US?
Blinders, I like that............... we call them blinkers
My dictionary says that blinkers are lights that go on and off, blinders are the things horses wear, when they shouldn't be distracted by things around them. But maybe my dictionary is wrong?
Blinkers is what they are called in the UK, (Oxford English Dictionary) the leather flaps beside horses eyes, so they cannot see to the side. But we know what you mean! I like that name, blinders
Just proves that no one likes the UK! Our only allies are Ireland and even then Poland and Latvia came above us! Even though our song was much better than most! But Poland too, I thought was a good song but landlocked with only old USSR states and Germany who was not in it, they also fell foul of the voting!
Now I'm not patriotic in particular so instead I would like to suggest Lake Como in Italy. It's one of the most beautiful locations on earth and if you get tired of the idyllic setting there's not far to Milan.
Me too, being a big fan of all things Italian, but I must say that I prefered Lake Garda and a little place called Malcesine (Only because my son lived there for two years!) It is at the foot of Monte Baldo. But it is beautiful and on the other side of the lake, Limone where they live to a ripe old age!
I started to get bored from studying, working and doing something!!!
But i started to believe that i wouldnt be that lucky as a resort worker, even the CV i have!!!!
Maybe i should change my profession :-S
oh no! another exam time coming... gotta go...
Resort workers come in all ages, shapes and sizes.......... I am sure you don't need a CV, just a roving eye and the gift of the gab
Not in my resort they don't! Average age is about 23, all small and slim and the majority very good looking!!! It's like they've been cloned!!!
Plenty of eye candy then? In Oludeniz, there were several "Fuglies" about and still the dippy girls slumped all over them
WE have this wonderful thing called Iplayer, where you can watch a TV programme you missed on your PC. I watched my favourite programme which I missed on Tuesday night and it was very sad, and unusually for me, never admit it, but I had a little tear or two!
BUT I am over it now, after a couple of glasses of wine, I feel fine!
Who mentioned Susie Wong? did you know she was a prostitute in Hong Kong many years ago?
I have the same, only it's called free tv online I know who mentioned Susie Wong -> a person not called armagedon addressed me with the words "you are wrong susie wong" Was he trying to imply something?
Susie Wong was a story about prostitue in Wanchai, Hong Kong. I think there was a book and I have seen the film too! Not sure if it was based on a true story or not!
I started to get bored from studying, working and doing something!!!
But i started to believe that i wouldnt be that lucky as a resort worker, even the CV i have!!!!
Maybe i should change my profession :-S
oh no! another exam time coming... gotta go...
Resort workers come in all ages, shapes and sizes.......... I am sure you don't need a CV, just a roving eye and the gift of the gab
Now this is interesting, I knew nothing about different Turkish Passport until I read this. So I had a look on our favourite source of information used in TC.
Turkish TC members, can you fill us in a bit more detail about passports?
WE have this wonderful thing called Iplayer, where you can watch a TV programme you missed on your PC. I watched my favourite programme which I missed on Tuesday night and it was very sad, and unusually for me, never admit it, but I had a little tear or two!
BUT I am over it now, after a couple of glasses of wine, I feel fine!
Who mentioned Susie Wong? did you know she was a prostitute in Hong Kong many years ago?
I think we were all advising you to treat with caution. I for one have had not problems with a Turkish man. But there are plenty of stories to read where woman have had problems.
We know England is a beautiful country with its historical culture.
And William Shakespeare...We know his plays= Hamlet, Macbeth, King Lear, Othello,The Tempest, Romeo and Juliet, Richard III, All's Well That Ends Well.and we know poetry.
SHAKESPEARE's contribution to English Language is great.
William Shakespeare is a great writer and poet for the world literature
And James Cook.He discovered Australia.
Is your sea side town near CARDIFF, SWANSEA, TORBAY, LONDON, NORWICH, GREAT YARMOUTH, THE WASH, NEWCASTLE, LIVERPOOL, OR STRATFORD?
ıts name?
The Wash! London is not close to the coast, not really, Norwich neither, not as close as me anyway. Norwich is in the capital of the county of Norfolk. Today I was behind numerous caravans making their way to our coast because it is Bank Holiday and guess it will rain!
I can receive PM's fine. Just not reply and I so want to reply to some I had today.
Pay attention LL!!! We are all discussing this on 'Two Pennies for your thoughts' thread!!!
That was a reply to Catwomans PM to see if I could receive them. I was paying attention, honest I was ................... but two pennies dum de dum is not the first thread I read
Have you ever been to SHANGHAI, CHINA?
SHANGHAI is a really great city, a really incredible city according to my friends.
You can go to CHINA in order to watch EXPO BEIJING - SHANGHAI, CHINA 2008 this year if you have any possibility...
I have been to Shanghai, but only for two days, to visit a factory! All I saw was traffic jams, pollution, tall buildings and a lot of people I am sure it has a lot more to offer but it is not on my list of places to see.
There are so many places in my country that I have not visited that I thought I would start with where I live:
Beaches
I live in a part of the UK, that has some of the most beautiful beaches, where Shakespear in Love was filmed. The sand stretches for miles (does not sound the same if you say kilometers!) and parts of the coast are deserted. The access if difficult and people dont visit.
Forest
There is a beautiful forest where we can walk, ride our bikes, or just look at the wildlife, unusual birds, deer if you are lucky. In the middle of this forest is a stone age flint mine. Flint was mined to make stone age tools. It was used for building, a skilled job called flint napping, to make the correct shape to build with.
Houses
We have one of the Queen houses close by, many people visit it. It has beautiful grounds and forest too. It is a place for peace and relaxation. The house is open to the public unless the Queen is living there.
My town
My town is a town of two halves - one half being historic, Vancouver set sail from our harbour with Captain Cook, and he discovered Vancouver Canada. Because my town is a port, there is a fishing industry and it is a trade port. the other half is modern with all the problems associated with it.
I always say you should walk around your town as if you were a tourist and you will see things you never knew about! Go to you tourist information centre, you will most probably get a surprise.
Seems like the send button problem is causing chaos across the whole of the TC network! ............. Bit like the signalling problems of Network Rail here in the UK!
When I click on the link I see X factor. Is that on purpose or?
I've heard that in Iceland if you walk at night you may see torches burning in front of some houses. It means that inside there's a lonesome guy who's waiting for someone to join him for a drink. So, if you see a torch you're welcome to enter. I don't now if it's true though.
As for the price of alcohol, I guess it's the northern way. I remember alcohol being awfully pricey in Norway. Not to mention that off-licence would close at 4 p.m.
I can't send any private messages! My send button is not working. Those of you who have PM'd me, sorry but I can't reply. If you want a reply please PM your email address to me. Thanks
In response to a PM, My send button is not working in PM's btw.
Thank you, all I wanted was an intellegent answer! I told you what we read, so I wanted you to tell me your side. How else do we know? No need to get angry with me, just answer with your informed opinions.
I read about the EU taking the PKK off the terrorist register, thats all. Not my fault. If you think I don't know about terrorism, come to the UK, you have more chance of being killed by terrorists in the UK than you have in Turkey!
in Turkey there is no problem about kurdish...problem is the people who think that there is a problem called kurdish.
Why don't you back up your comment with some solid reasons. Give us your take on the "problem".
I for one, I read in our papers, there is a problem with Kurdish people in Turkey (and not just Turkey, Iran, Iraq etc). The problems are social/ethinic, the problems associated with ethnic groups. Poverty, poor housing, lack of jobs, racist attacks, lack of recognition as an ethnic group, lack of services etc etc. We read that the PKK are no longer classed as a Terrorist organistion by Brussels (EU).
So we read these things in our papers (Western Papers), tell us the truth then Lapinkulta in a reasoning and intellegent manner please!
I've been all over the world but Iceland is truly unique
very little unemployment and practically no crime
its so isolated one of my favourite places on the planet
but dammm so expensive
5 quid for a beer or glass of wine
Wow... now I'm intrigued by this country... I know though that they have an economic crisis with an inflation rate of %20! :-S
Apparently it is also the happiest place to live in the world!
This Japanese contestant came all the way from Japan to the UK to audition for the X-Factor and just to see Simon Cowell (for those of you who don't know who he is he the bloke with dark hair and extra bright teeth!)
Sadly she had a wasted journey but at lesat she got to see her hero Simon!
This entire thread is now completely OUT OF CONTROL and seems to have turned into a kind of Lesbian Matchmakers. I am very unhappy about this as not one of you has shown any interest in me and it is my thread. I may have to lock it - I'm going to bed now and will see how I feel about it in the morning.
we are waiting to see ur decision. I hope it will be better for all of us and everthing will be nice again. Children will sing and play around, we will live in a peaceful world
One or two people have expressed an interest so I am feeling better this morning and will not lock the thread . So unfortunately the children will have to sit down and shut up and the peaceful world will have to wait.
No one has shown any interest in marrying me either, good move I say! Being married once is more than enough for me; even a virtual married is too much committment!
It is a TV show for new singing talent, like a competition, the concept started in the UK with Pop Idol then went to USA (Amrican Idol) and now is in many other countries. Even Afganistan had just had their competition.
I dont know whether it is a trademark, as I don't believe it is the same companies in each country. Some individual might own the rights to the show, and make big bucks from it.
We have had quite a few of these shows:
Pop Idol
Britains Got Talent
Fame Acadamy
X Factor
Currently running Britains Got Talent and then in the summer we can look forward to the X Factor
It is lust not love for her, she is lusting after him, he is so very beautiful / stunning /phhhhwwwwoar ;o>
She is very turkish and very jealous, for her it was knowing that she could successfully take him away from me and 'win him' so sad, but true.
She has not put up a fight for him since because she knows it is impossible. He does truly love me.
Why are you seeming to blame both yourself and this other girl for what is clearly a fatal flaw in this man?
She is probably just as blind to his ways as you are. And I would be willing to bet that she either thinks she is the only one....or she thinks he is breaking it off with you.
I wouldn't trust is beautiful, stunning ass as far as I could pick him up and toss him!
Be careful with the tossing bit, has a different meaning here in the UK! He would more than likely enjoy it
high as a kite on lortab & soma after popping my sacrum out of place and herniating a disc in my back ..
Painful! Know how that feels, but I was not allowed to take painkillers in case I did more damage
yeeeeeeeeees very painful!! thank goodness the chiropractor is helping to get everything back into place and unherniate the disc!! if this does not work .. it will be a block to si/sacrum and L5/S1 ..
I had to do exercises and I went to a physio, I don't trust chiropractors after a bad experience! It took one month to heal.
This has become more like a blood bath than a foamy bath! I to would not set foot inside a haman, I hate the thought. But everyone is entitled to their opinions, their likes and dislikes. If we all liked the same things how boring life would be, for a start there would be no fights on TC.
can u show me an example that he isnt against anything about Turkey for him, every national festival must be abolished and that semi naked man in the hamam, changed his thoughts about turkey , must be punished immediately
Lol, I agree with u janiss . (And actually just said the same to Deli_kizin ) It seems to me as if everything he says or does is against Turkey. I never thought it would be possible to criticize something as nice as a hamam!
So will you be introducing Janissary to the European Sauna experience? Naked men AND women all together in one little cubicle, dripping sweat all over the place. Naked cold shower, back in the sauna of course naked Wow betide anyone prudish enough to wrap a towel around their ............. urm........... bits and bobs!
Learning continues..
Today we learnt that Chantal wears underwear when she goes to hamams whereas Trudy NOT and Also Chantal is not 'skin and bones only'..
From memory and not wishing to cite Trudy to much, as she brought us some very interesting stories about her travels, but I am sure she told us about women shaving all areas before entering the hamman, and they were even given a bic razor and foam to do the job! Surely someone remembers!
This also caught my attention - I would love to know more.................
Just go hang out at LIR's for the summer and you can do tons of research!
Actually it would be quite a good research piece to do a PhD. Now let me think of a title..................
The social structure of Dudu's in holiday resorts along the Turkish coast and the age of the women they practice their special bed techniques with
Amending my title:
The socio-economic impact of the "special bed boys" in holiday resorts along the Turkish coast and the age of the women they practice their special bed techniques with
Lucian Freud knows how to make money.And how to paint but even if his work gained 34mln dollars at Christie's yesterday,still the model...
have a look yourself
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24068892/
Roman Abramovich, the Russian multi billionaire Chelsea football club owner has bought 'Fat Sue' as she in known in the arty circles.
He is not mentioned in the article, but there was a piece about him in the Independent today and how much he is willing to pay or has paid for various art including £1mil for Amy Winehouse to perform!
There have been up to Richter grade 6.8 aftershocks of the big earthquake!
A big dam is going to be destroyed and so flooding is imminent...
Oh, pray for this!
By the way, when talking about overseas rescuing teams going to China and Burmese government's refusal of these, I wonder if the US or EU governments have planned to send rescue teams to China. There are of course many relief NGOs racing with time to rescue people there, but how about the governments? As far as I know the US government has donated $500,000 dollars to the tragic province of China... Just know that one businessman of HK donated 13 million!
[i]Relief material is coming in at a fast pace. The response to the disaster has also included some foreign input, with teams from Japan, Russia and Singapore flying in to help. Supplies such as tents, stretchers and clothes are also being brought in from France, Spain and the Philippines, as well as millions of pounds in financial aid. This is unprecedented for China, normally fiercely nationalistic and obsessed with sovereignty issues. Its reluctance to lobby for change in other countries, such as Burma and Sudan, reflects its fear of setting a precedent for interference in its own affairs.[/] Independent Newspaper
We can be very critical of the west if they are not seen to be supporting, but don't forget the huge number of resources that China itself has, in terms of people and army.
Relief workers from around the world are assisting, as seen on our TV, with the rescue dogs. Now China does not have rescue dogs, and I wont put why as it is too distasteful.
But questions do have to be asked as to why the quality of construction is so poor in such an area, where earthquakes are a matter of nature. School buildings crumple like match wood making it nearly impossible to resue anyone.
At last Burma is accepting aid, with the USA and Britain now leading. Long boats are being brought in to get to those isolated on the coast. The UN are putting pressure on the military rulers and the charity Save the Children are gravely concerned for the millions of unourished children that will undoubtedly starve if aid does not reach them. Doctors from India have been "allowed" in too.
Despite this show of grace by the Burmese government, restrictions are still inforce, they are trying to play down the scale of the disaster.
...well, I pierced my right eye brow this tuesday...to me it was a really cool thing to do since I think it looks awesome...but many persons around me thinks it is idiotic...a 41 year old woman piercing herself. My oldest daughter just looked at me and laughed...and after a while added: well, I am not ashamed of you!
I think that would go in my book of silly things to do, along with tattoos, pierced belly buttons, tongue studs, lip rings................ for the over 40's
world needs more stronger,powerfull and aouthorized international organizations for creat a more common and livable world.İ'm afraid things will never change with organizations like UN and planty humanity shames will be on all over world as now in Burma..And things never will change unless we don't feel pains of others in deep of our hearts...
What the world NEEDS is for egomanical leaders like the ones in Burma to get their heads out of their asses and wake up and see what is happening to their people!
The UN....or any other organization or country for that matter.....is not responsible for the travesty that is going on there!!! The responsiblity for it rests squarely on the shoulders of the Burmese leaders but all they care about is staying in power.
The aid that is being offered to them is being taken by the Junta and distributed as they see fit....which means it will not go to the people who need it.
There are not enough words to discribe the disgust that most human beings feel for what is happening there.
GG you could not have put it any better. The blame squarly rests at the shoulders of the egotistical, meglamaniacs who "run" the country. I read yesterday that the opposition leader, Aung San Suu Kyi has been under house arrest for 13 years, with just two maids and her meals are delivered daily and are are checked by guards. This house arrest has now been tightened since the disaster. What do they think she will do? A small 62 year old woman.
I decided that being the generous person I am, and wishing that everyone from TC would benefit from the €44 mil then he would decide uhmmmmmmmmmmm Libralady is being so generous I will spend all my winnings on her (now where can I start )
Victoria let slip on a chat show (Parkinson) that he is rather well endowed! I will check out the photo when I am at home, sadly I cant open here at work due to annoying jobs worth IT people
Please report back on your findings immediately!
I can now see the photo and do you think the blocked bit backs up Victoria's claim?
Packing my bag for a week in Turkey My partner has let me off the leash for a few days. I don't know why but I sometimes think she is glad to see the back of me.
my dream is that handsom wins 44 million euro and buys TC... (the price for TC is 44 million euro)
My dream is that when handsom wins €44mil he will take us all on holiday to Turkey before he buys TC - will €30 mil do Catwoman - you would benefit twice?
if only my English could be enough to understand intentions or aims,not easy to answer mocking lines with poor language really....
Has Turkey provided help to Burma? I'm just curious.
There is a problem with providing aid, who will get it? Sadly not those who are most in need, but the Junta will benefit. At the moment I think only USA and France have been able to get in with any aid or at least drop aid. When planes and helicopters are shot at, it is not easy to deliver aid even if the whole world wanted to. It is such a sad situation.
It would take so long to write something simple to understand that I have posted the link. I will work on a paper to be added somewhere in TC, trying to simplify things when I have more time.
Offfffffffffff!!! They blocked out the best part!!!
Victoria let slip on a chat show (Parkinson) that he is rather well endowed! I will check out the photo when I am at home, sadly I cant open here at work due to annoying jobs worth IT people
Wow, Libralady, I find it absolutely fantastic that you are a surrogate mother. I don't know many women who'd be so unselfish. From today on, you're my heroine
With the introduction of our new Points Based System in the UK, it will be much harder for Turks to come to the UK. It will also be difficult for Turks already here who need to renew their visa too. Actually I will write about it and post later as it will be useful information.
Wow, Libralady, I find it absolutely fantastic that you are a surrogate mother. I don't know many women who'd be so unselfish. From today on, you're my heroine
Wow, Libralady, I find it absolutely fantastic that you are a surrogate mother. I don't know many women who'd be so unselfish. From today on, you're my heroine
Oh dear, not quite as it seems, my surrogate sons are my friends sons, who came to live with me when their parents had to move because her husband was in the RAF the other one just liked the idea of living with a crazy household and wished he was our surrogate son to!
Who does not like butterflies...?
http://www.oludenizbeach.com/butterfly.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knTq5GPkOTo
paragliding there would be great
It is great, but you don't go over Butterfly Valley, not quite, you can see it but you fly over the Lycia world camp and the blue lagoon etc before landing on the promenade! Take a look at my essay about it, if you have not already!
I think its what we call a 'tankini' in the UK - bikini bottoms with a kind of vest top.
Then again, it may be something you put on your salad!
:-S
Tankini is the correct answer! Something we find in the ladies section of Marks and Spencers for the more modest of us ladies (or the ones with stretch marks )!! Deli's version is a rather sexy swimsuit for ladies with a BMI of 15 and no stretch marks!!
you are always looking for someone to be on top of you .. even making a thehandsom sammich!!
thehansom sammich..consists of? Grade A Beef or shredded Pork...Miracle Whip or Mayo...Iceberg Lettuce or Romaine? Provolone or Linberger Cheese? Dill or Sweet Pickle?
Isn't that a bit complicated? What is Linberger cheese? Something you sqeeze and sqirt into your sammich? ................
How about just 'thehandsom and a bit of (a) pickle' sammich (sandwich)?
These are amazing, I have had them sent to me via email! It is nice to say that I have visited some of these places - I especially like the Dalyan tributory photos and the paragliding in Oludeniz!
Should TÜRKİYE join the European Community?
What do you think?
What is the European Union?
Is the EU scientific or double standart?
Turkish Public Union say "No" according to the Press.
I personally don't see the benefits of Turkey joining the EU, only to the EU! I think Turkey already has benefit of the EU in terms of tourisms and trading (take note of the lovely Turkish Cherries and Figs in our supermarkets!)
The EU is nothing but red tape, legislation, and Social European funding for useless projects.
Not sure what you mean by scientific - that I doubt!
Yeah, with us, Poles, abandoning UK and going back to our booming economies who's gonna do it?
Well first of all the Romanians and Bulgarians when their restrictions are lifted, following on from that will be the Croatians. It is the NON-EU migrants that will not be coming due to the new restrictions, EU is not affected. It is the EU (Easter Europeans in particular) that pick the strawberries and I for one should know, I live in the fens where the strawberries grow!
A friend of mine whose husband was in the USAF during the 1st Gulf war and they were posted there, she told me you would be amazed at what the women wear under the Burka.
A man in Saudia Arabia has been sentanced to 140 lashes for having coffee with a women who was not a relative. They don't know what has happened to the woman. They were caught by the religious police!
You ''many of West'' believe that Saudia Arabian,or Muslims,or people in the third world are not developed enough,not modern enough,dont have open minds...less freedom in thought behaviors...bla bla bla...ect
I wouldnt say such a thing at all, eventhough Im from the west. Fact is: you can wear a burqa or hijab in the UK or the Netherlands pretty safely. If I dress the way I do (which is very decent) in Iran, to give an example, we all know what would happen! In the luckiest case I get sent to prison or sent back home! There is a big difference in open mindedness on that topic!
Well said! That was a point I was trying to make. But somehow Canli's quote has my name attached!
Would we wear short shirts and strappy tops in Saudia Arabia? No we would not, when in Rome do as the Romans do!
You know LB,you really have brought up a good issue,
You ''many of West'' believe that Saudia Arabian,or Muslims,or people in the third world are not developed enough,not modern enough,dont have open minds...less freedom in thought behaviors...bla bla bla...ect
So would you tell me,what is your problem ''West problem''if i 'Muslim' be in your country,a developed,modern,free...bla bla...ect country
And i do as i want,not as Roman do ?!
İ mean i wear my hijab,and not dressed up like you do
What is your problem in such free,moder,open minded ....countries ?!
I think you are taking things a bit personally here. I don't really give a care what people wear but my point is they draw attention to themselves whilst walking around London city shopping areas, wearing the Burka, not the hijab, the full burka! I could say many things about Saudia Arabia but I wont. I will keep my feelings to my self about that!
İ really try to understand what is the West issue with Muslims and Hijab,but i fail !
What ?!
Do you hate to see the women who are wearing hijab walking around you?!
Do they harm you or your communities any way by what they wear ?!
Some people covering THEİR hairs...what has got it to do with you ?!
Why should it be material to criticism,to make jokes and have fun on our expenses ?!
Because we dont dress up like you ?!
You dont dress up like us,so should you be material to our jokes also ?!
We wear it because its part of our believes,or we wear it because its part of our traditions,or we wear it even to avoid sun burns...we wear it for ANY reason!
HECK its OUR business NOT yours !
We dont ask you to wear it...
So,WHAT İS YOUR PROBLEM?!
Would we wear short shirts and strappy tops in Saudia Arabia? No we would not, when in Rome do as the Romans do!
I found this rather nice poem on a lyric / poetry site some time ago with an anonymous author:
I close my eyes at night and dream,
about the man of my fantasies
He kisses me so soft and tender
He makes my heart want to surrender
with the gentle stroke of his hands
he takes me to a land, in heaven
his arms hold me close
as if a silent promise to not let me go
feeling the deepness of passion while making love
who is the name of the one I dream of?
I feel his intesity as I open my eyes
and look up
it was you all along I was dreaming of..............
Camel taxies, Tents, Desert, burqa, g-string and turkey. write understandable sentences from these if u want enjoy
The English girls were on holiday in Turkey for a GOOD time, so with their g-strings rising above their shorts they climbed aloft the haughty camel, and went for a 'ride' with the Turkish man leading the way into the dessert.
After a short time, he took one of the girls into a tent they discovered on the journey,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
'hey' he said 'I love you, you are so gorgeous, I want you, I want you, but more than that I want a mobile phone, money and a visa to England'.
Burmas shame - very true! So dispicable it is difficult to be able to find the words to write. How can anyone, and there are a whole raft of individuals, care so little about human life that they will not allow aid workers in. The worrying thing also, is the government could well see this as an opportunity to make money from aid and charity donations. This makes me so angry, that everyone who wants to help are in fact helpless.
I also noticed in the guardian article, the journalist is unamed for their own protection.
I just think Burqa is not necessary... it is of course a personal choice, but Islam doesnt force it, so it's up to the woman (or to her husband and family ) Anyway... I still believe that people should wear whatever they want anywhere of the world and it shouldnt cause to look at these people as if they were Aliens or something else... But I'm afraid, that's never gonna happen
I do agree with you, but when you are walking around London, in Oxford Street (full of clothing stores), then the Burka does tend to attack a lot of attention!
Also g-string too.
And there are plenty of them peering above girls jeans! Not the most attractive sight!
I just think Burqa is not necessary... it is of course a personal choice, but Islam doesnt force it, so it's up to the woman (or to her husband and family ) Anyway... I still believe that people should wear whatever they want anywhere of the world and it shouldnt cause to look at these people as if they were Aliens or something else... But I'm afraid, that's never gonna happen
I do agree with you, but when you are walking around London, in Oxford Street (full of clothing stores), then the Burka does tend to attack a lot of attention!
Rabbit becomes mother to kittens has the ahhhhhh factor! Being a lover of all things fluffy, I could not resist posting this, even though it is an old story! This lovely little pet rabbit has become the adopted mother to 6 tiny kittens. Only animal lovers need look
Hello all,
Thanks everyone who replied I send my best wishes to all of you, I usually write to each reply but forgive me if I cannot this time. I have been here less than two weeks and admit to feeling a bit lonley, my wife Nes works very long hours and is often out for at least 12 hours a day commuiting to work and then working. I can do the housework and cleaning and shopping and anything else around the house and this will fill a little time during the day.
I am still looking for work of some kind and although Nes said I can do the teaching exam I am not sure I actually want to go down this road. I would like to work and would consider almost anything that will bring in some money. It is very nice here but as always when you are alone you will find it difficult to adjust wherever you are in the world. Well must go and finish the housework best wishes to all
Don't you mean that cleaning the house, shopping and everything else there is to do, takes ALL day!
Joking apart, I hope you soon start to meet people and find yourself some work! I know how I would be if I had to stay at home all day! Probably rocking away in the corner :-S
GIS = Gentran Integration Suite. Its for EDI-Electronic Data Interface. Basically its data transmissions that are passed through different maps for translation into data for backend/frontend systems.
IS people love the POWER of acronyms, interfaces, plug in's, dongles, USB, PS2 bla bla bla bla.............
I don't know that song. Is it the latest from the BSB??
Haha! I didn't even consider that! No, one of Rolfies hits! Surely you have heard it? uhmm now let me go find a youtube clip...............................................
I actually wonder whether it's a real language (with its own 'words' and 'grammar'), or just whistling based on the Turkish language (as also happens in the video clip).
sekerim, kuskoy is in Giresun and in its little town called canakci.it is difficult to find english articles about kuskoy...but I can give u information on what u wonder?
So tell us, exactly what is it used for? Just to communicate with relatives? or for other reasons? Whistling is used in the UK by shepherds to tell their sheep dogs what to do when hearding hseep. There is even a programme on TV about it.
Anyone heard of Rolf Harris? Have you guessed what it is yet?
Can't say as I have met anyone that famous! Not that anyone would know,
Trevor McDonald - got stranded at our railway station along with me
Steven Fry - lives near me and uses the same Tescos
Paul Daniels - was doing a magic show in our town
Rory McGrath - lives in Cambridge, near me again
and some bloke off Fame Academy - lives near me and uses the same beach
Oh and I nearly forgot,
Midge Ure of Live Aid fame - kissed him (hehehehe!)
So how many of you have actually heard of any of these (UK an exception!)
And also I bet you both dont have a boy friend.
You two keep reading books of Sapho and compliment eachother..
.. and I bet you're an old, ugly, hairy, smelly guy who got rejected by every woman you ever laid eyes on and now you are so bitter that you keep on making up these lies in all of your spare time.
I bet you are buying all the penis-enlargement tools and preparations that there are, and drive some really macho car and wear some really macho clothes to cover up your misery and bitterness.
I felt the venim from here! Are you sure you have caught everything? I think you might have forgotten one or two other detriments Hey Handsom when were you going to tell them you are a plastic surgeon?
I was searching around on the BBC archives and found this very interesting article about the Farmers of Kuskoy who whistle everyday as they go about their business.
It is quite incredible; it is more or less like another language as described by the journalist who wrote the article.
Anyone know of this? It does not say where the village. It would be interesting to hear if anyone has any personal experience!
I guess that is what you call "poetic Licence", using the picture I mean! When my mother used to call me, when I was swimming in the river (near my house) it was not as nice as your whistling I am sure!
So exactly where is Kuskoy as I could not find that much about it when I googled it?
Handsom got a blue fatal error screen after this comment.
Why should I?
It is a well known fact that behind all those sayings about freedom, equality and blah blah, all feminists want one thing which is to be on the top.
Even Simone de Beauvoir, apperantly, confessed that before she died.
I remember reading this survey a couple of weeks ago about women who call themselves feminists. it was found that 60 % of them were hairy, 76% of did have short legs, 84 % did have small boobs, 96% of them did not have a partner at the time of survey.
No wonder why they are so bitter!!
Glad I don't meet those criteria (or most of them anyway)!
I was searching around on the BBC archives and found this very interesting article about the Farmers of Kuskoy who whistle everyday as they go about their business.
It is quite incredible; it is more or less like another language as described by the journalist who wrote the article.
Anyone know of this? It does not say where the village. It would be interesting to hear if anyone has any personal experience!
Therefore next to Russia (or it was when it was the USSR) now Belarus! What makes you think Turkish sounds like Russian anyway? All those "z's" and spitting sounds?
It's great to be 'new': no-one knows what to say to you so I don't get PM's at all. And no, this is not asking to get them! I like to keep my inbox and outbox like a virgin.
Judging from my inbox yesterday, SPAM season is kicking into gear. New or not, your inbox will be filling up in no time!
What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage?
Women in the U.S.
Education: Education is just as important to women as it is to men. Your class rooms are filled with females seeking careers.
Occupation: Women can hold any occupation a man can..from Doctors, lawyers, astronauts,executives to construction workers.
Family: Some families still have the every Sunday dinner with their relatives. Then you have families who are so busy with their kids in sports, that carry out is their means of sitting down at a kitchen table. Holidays are spent with family and friends typically by most Americans. I don't think we value family the same way as other countries may.
Employment Status: Unemployment is extremely low in the U.S., heck McDonalds is hiring down the street for $10.00 an hour. Women today still have careers and families. The cost of daycare also is an indicator to some women whether holding a job or staying at home is a better option.
Living Situation: Women are very independant, if their single they may rent an apartment, own a condo or even a house. They leave home at the age of 18-21 to attend school and either live in a dorm on campus or an apartment with a friend. Some who are involved in relationships will live in 'SIN' as my mother would say.
Political View: Various political views. 'Fox & Friends'
Success, happiness, friendship & marriage: You can lump these all together, they all have some relevance to eachother.
It is amazing! It never ceases to amaze how blind people adapt, or infact anyone with one of their senses defunct. I know it is not the same, but I saw a blind woman on the tube to today in London, coping by herself just with her white stick.
What is the life philosophy or way of life or approach of the western women about the education, occupation, family, employment status, living situation, Political view, economic sufficiency, religion, happiness, success, friendship and marriage?
Most women are able to choose -
*Education - university and good careers are there for the taking, but some girls (I say girls at this stage) would rather leave school at 16 and lead a chotic lifestyle have children but more than one father
*Occupation - many occupations are open to women if they wish to pursue but above points also counts! No occupation apart from deliver children!
*Family - some have strong ties other weak and if they want chilren, again they can keep their career if they wish or descend into the depths of despair and live off social security
*Employment - see occupations
*Living situation - many live single lives, with a boyfriend at a distance, many own their own homes or live with their parents - the choice is there
*Polictical view - we all have one!
*Economic sufficiency - see occupations and living situation
*Religion - varies greatly, depending on your background or your lifestyle. Of course in the UK we have all the religions you could ever imagine!
*Happiness - can't answer that one, depends on so many other factors
*Success - same as above
*Friendship - most women have as many male friends as female friends with no ties, meaning they wont have sex with the male friends (or the females ones
)
*Marriage - is a becoming less common, with one in three becoming divorce. Living together is more common really and less problematic. You can make rules before just like a marriage. And of course we have same sex partnerships in the UK now so that the relationship has the same legal binding as a marriage.
You forgot to mention sex - an important part of any womans life, married or not!!
All of the above relates to the UK and is mostly my opinion, and not necessarily fact. Other women from the UK might have a different opinion. (That is my disclaimer
Here is one for the Black Sea Boys to cut their teeth on! Even China is owning up to having problems with child slaves, that valuable single child sold by their poor parents into slavery.
What overpopulated China has in common with The Black Sea Brothers? Have never heard them complaining on China
Well there is always a first for everything Anyway, China normally keeps this sort of thing hidden.
like big fashion concerns having their branches in China overusing manpower,exploiting those poor ones.Hiding works in both directions,every stick has two ends.
Sure and where does most of white goods from? and we buy it!
Here is one for the Black Sea Boys to cut their teeth on! Even China is owning up to having problems with child slaves, that valuable single child sold by their poor parents into slavery.
What overpopulated China has in common with The Black Sea Brothers? Have never heard them complaining on China
Well there is always a first for everything Anyway, China normally keeps this sort of thing hidden.
Here is one for the Black Sea Boys to cut their teeth on! Even China is owning up to having problems with child slaves, that valuable single child sold by their poor parents into slavery.
I think you missed the insinuation of the post you are replying Libralady..
Now there was me thinking he was being nice! Water off a ducks back, broad shoulders and all that! Teach me for dropping into TC when I am at work, and only have 20 seconds to read the latest post!
NO NO NO....we need lapinkulta right here to argue with! Who else is going to be the watchdog for all things Turkish? Who else can we send?
Well....could flip a coin and send either one of the black sea bros? They are interchangable when it comes to arguing. I think they are using the same play book!!!
Why not find someone new........uhm now let me think hang on............ ah yes, what about 'Tamikidakika' he seems like a cross between the Black Sea Bros! Maybe he is one of them anyway with a nic like that who is ginog to remember him
THe first time I visited Sultamet, My wife and I were approached by guys wanted to be hired as personal guides
etc. Just saying 'hayir hayir' I found to be ineffective.
Any suggestions about how to be say basically 'leave us alone' without be crude or rude?
longinotti,
how can you miss this?
hayir means 'belki'(maybe) when a foreigner says it..
It happens to me as well. They think I am a foreigner sometimes. But as soon as I say 'tesekkurler sagol', they leave us alone..
I might be frowning slightly with a threatening smile on my lips while I am saying those words though..
I am practising this expression. I am ok with the 'slight frown' but not quite mastering the 'threatening smile'
Please pm me a visual depiction!
Does a threatening smile involve bearing ones teeth?
Making one's teeth look like a BEAR??? :-S :-S
No wonder I'm having problems!!
THe first time I visited Sultamet, My wife and I were approached by guys wanted to be hired as personal guides
etc. Just saying 'hayir hayir' I found to be ineffective.
Any suggestions about how to be say basically 'leave us alone' without be crude or rude?
longinotti,
how can you miss this?
hayir means 'belki'(maybe) when a foreigner says it..
It happens to me as well. They think I am a foreigner sometimes. But as soon as I say 'tesekkurler sagol', they leave us alone..
I might be frowning slightly with a threatening smile on my lips while I am saying those words though..
I am practising this expression. I am ok with the 'slight frown' but not quite mastering the 'threatening smile'
Please pm me a visual depiction!
Does a threatening smile involve bearing ones teeth?
The poet is really talking about a woman? Maybe he is talking about a beautiful landscape familiar and beloved for him.. What do u call it? A metaphore?
Yes a metaphor, but I think he is talking about woman!
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IT WAS A REALLY LONG DAY i WAS TURNING TO LOVE
It was a really long day I was turning to love
so long, baby, so long because of your love
here I was saying, first kiss, here is your blue crevice
here is seven in the morning and your wet mouth
here is the grass from your groin and your belly
here is what your tongue brought and here is my forrest
here is you waking up from bed stretched and nude
here is your old shadow on the rock and your old voice
here is the black bird in your mouth that is a wild river
I was saying stay as you are, like this, in the nude, one within
I was saying stay as you are, I would kiss you from there first
though love is dark and a word with one syllable
It is just like that, my love, just like that, I was saying
my try
Another gem thehansom but I dont think the "blue crevice" sounds quite right! It takes away the sensuality of the poem. If he is refering to her mouth, there must be a better translation. Sadly my Turkish is limited to asking for a beer
Well - 'masmavi' translates as 'deep blue' and I don't think he was referring to her mouth!
Çok uzun bir gündü aşka dönüyordum
Çok uzun, yavrum, çok uzun seni sevmekten
İşte diyordum ilk öpüş işte masmavi yarığın
İşte yedisi sabahın ve ıslak ağzının
İşte eski bir otu kasıklarının ve karnının
İşte dilinin getirdikleri işte ormanlarım
İşte döşekte çırılçıplak upuzun uyanışın
İşte kayaya vuran eski gölgen eski sesin
İşte o ağzındaki esmer kuş o yaban ırmak
Kal öyle diyordum böyle anadan doğma iç içe
Kal öyle ilkin orandan öpeceğim diyordum
Aşk ki karadır tek heceli bir sözcüktür
İşte tam böyle, sevdalım, tam böyle diyordum.
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IT WAS A REALLY LONG DAY i WAS TURNING TO LOVE
It was a really long day I was turning to love
so long, baby, so long because of your love
here I was saying, first kiss, here is your blue crevice
here is seven in the morning and your wet mouth
here is the grass from your groin and your belly
here is what your tongue brought and here is my forrest
here is you waking up from bed stretched and nude
here is your old shadow on the rock and your old voice
here is the black bird in your mouth that is a wild river
I was saying stay as you are, like this, in the nude, one within
I was saying stay as you are, I would kiss you from there first
though love is dark and a word with one syllable
It is just like that, my love, just like that, I was saying
my try
Another gem thehansom but I dont think the "blue crevice" sounds quite right! It takes away the sensuality of the poem. If he is refering to her mouth, there must be a better translation. Sadly my Turkish is limited to asking for a beer
Hehe strangely I was thinking of you when I wrote it! As TC's Resident Action Woman it would be right up your street. Alas, you will have to wait until you are 27
I am a tad claustrophobic so someone would die ................................
Prisoners in British prisons have such a "cushy" number, they no longer want to break out. Instead, they have mates breaking in to deliver drugs and mobile phones. In some cases even prostitutes have been allowed in to
"service" the "clients" of Her Majesty's Prisons.
There is also cases of the prison being run my the inmates because the prison guards have lost control.
The unions claim this has happened due to the serious unfunding and shortage of prison staff.
Source: Independent
Maybe it is because there are too many criminals because the sentance does not deter the crime!!!!!
And it is myth that criticizing your country (or telling the truth about your country) will stop making people love Turkey.
However, if you keep posting these so called nationalist feelings, everybody will start to think Turkey is full of racists people, which I dont want to believe, is the case.
This is so true. Humour, open mindedness and rationality certainly sell it to me better than blind intolerance, hate, rudeness and inability to stand criticism.
Great post thehandsome
Thank you for bring a certain "status quo" back into this thread.
I love Turkey and and the Turkish people I know and undoubtedly they have political views that I would not necessarily agree with or understand, just the same as I have friends in the UK whose politics I do not agree with and likewise they would not agree with mine. We cannot agree with everyone all of the time about everything, but that does not make one right or the other wrong. Also it does not (or should not) stop people from being friends.
Nothing that is said above would stop most people coming to Turkey, they make their own minds up and generally when you visit a country it is for reasons other than politics.
I can tell you using text talk (not abbreviations as they are different and recognised in English) causes a problem in business as youngsters used to using text talk cannot communicate in letter, emails properly and professionaly.
A youngster who is responsible enough for his/her learning would know the difference between two. It depends on the purpose of their learning. If they learn English just because they want to make friends (most probably girlfriends) dont expect any professional or academic writing from them! And I dont think they would even want to write something professional or academic! No problems for me! I can write both in formal and informal style Learning a foreign language and using is fun, but strictly sticking to the rules may make it boring! It's better to learn "good" language first, but then talk it/write the way you like
I know what you are saying but when they can't complete an exam paper, or fill in an application form it is a problem! Sadly they are not as intellegent as you but are able to learn text talk and unable to write in their own language when it is required!
Awwwwww Libralady knows its not personal - because she is a Brit! Unfortunately, to use Murat's words it is my "bizarre English sense of humor that is not understandable or funny to the rest of the world!"
Uhmm! Murat has a point the rest of world, also includes Great Britain (and includes all islands around it's coast)
using abbreviations is quite a normal thing for us cause we do it in our language and it sounds more natural to me this way... And when we look at the translation forum, most of the texts asked for translations are abbreviated. English abbreviations can be bad for Turks trying to learn English, but similarly, dont u think these threads on translation forum could be a problem for Turkish learners too? I see no harm in that... People should learn both formal and informal language. As far as the grammar is correct, why should a "u" for "you" be a problem? Everybody knows what it means anyway... We arent here for academic reasons... I'm a senior student in ELT and even we had a course on English abbreviations in our junior year The lectuter was British and he thought the abbreviations would be benefical in authentic use of language
I am just an old fashioned sort who cannot stand the use of text language in more formal writing. Keep text language to the text message, chat room or informal emails etc!
As for yor professor - sack him I can tell you using text talk (not abbreviations as they are different and recognised in English) causes a problem in business as youngsters used to using text talk cannot communicate in letter, emails properly and professionaly.
I don't know if it affects anyone else but I'm going crazy reading posts with abbreviated English,for example 'u' for 'you' 'ur' for 'your' or even worse 'you're'! This is 'text(sms) speak' and whether it can be understood or not has no place on a language forum. I don't think that Turkish speakers trying to improve their written English find this helpful.
Me too! It is destroying the English language but have noticed some Turks use it too?
I didnt post anything politics. today is a national festival. today all turkey celebrate it with their chidren. I just wanted to share this event with other members who are interested in turkey. but as usual, they converted it to politics again. always same members if ı post "hello" believe me it will be a politics discussion.
I see 23 posts here, only one is critical with some critism from a Native Turk. Who are "they" who converted it to politics? Who are the same members?
I think it is a rather nice idea, to celebrate children as they are the future of any country, to celebrate children and allow them to be chilren with games, free entry to fun parks, day out somewhere fun and lots of icrecream with trickster fez wearing icecream sellers!.
I love the icecream joke by the fez wearing icecream seller! I watched the spectical for ages from a bar, then decided that I could actually grab the icecream and spoil his trick. So I went to get my icecream but I forgot that 3 glasses of Efes distorts your judgement!
HaHa! - Amazing how easily amused we can be after a few drinks!
I was amused even before the drinks - I suppose that is what comes with living in rural Norfolk
I love the icecream joke by the fez wearing icecream seller! I watched the spectical for ages from a bar, then decided that I could actually grab the icecream and spoil his trick. So I went to get my icecream but I forgot that 3 glasses of Efes distorts your judgement!
An amazing piece of research that tells us, women trying to conceive a child should eat toast for breakfast if they want a girl and cereal if they want a boy! Well I blew that one out of the window, as I nearly always ate toast (and marmite ) and I had two boys!
This sort of research really gets on my nerves, how dare they spend money on proving / disproving ridiculous concepts when it could be better spent on more deserving causes.
Since what good times the English spell "generalisation" with S and not Z?
I see you threw in a little grammar question!
Well I abhor the use of 'z' (so American, darling). However, it must be accepted that the 'z' has become more widely used in the English language in recent years, and the Oxford English Dictionary now accepts the use of both (much to my consternation ).
How very dare you suggest that "z" is becoming widely used in the UK - not in my book dalink
Now I have straight hair, it could not be straighter but for some reason the girl in the department store yesterday, wanted to try out her hair straightners on me! This really puzzles me................. am I with straight hair, going to want to pay ££££ for a pair of hair straighteners to make my hair even straighter?????
I wouldn't actually call interpreting a more important job. It is definitely more tiring and requiring different training than translating. However, do remember that it is translators who are responsible for legal, medical or scientific translations and their mistake may result in serious consequences. Interpreters always have the margin of mistake - nobody adjust laws or introduces new technology basing on interpretation like is the case with translations. A good example here is translating EU regulations into native languages of member states. A tiny mistake in legal terminology may lead to a situation where one law in two countries works differently.
Aplogies! What I was trying to get at is that interpreting is real time where as translating is not. Interpreters in the UK are very well paid (earning in excess of £60K in some cases) and in great demand.
As for who is more important or which job is the best, I would say interpreter. The skills requried are different, interpretering is instant, and sometimes can be technical so a degree of knowledge in the specific skills would be required.
Why doesn't he make himself useful and do some translations?
Give the man a chance,
first he has to pass the 'you have been welcomed' by our one and only thehandsom
who appears to be:
either having a long over due waxing (ouch!)
roasting potatoes (with garlic, red peppers, rosemary, thyme and anything else he can throw in)
watching bob the builder (so 1990's!)
listening to 'the wheels on the bus' (actually they just fell off!)
writing his next erotic poem (uhmm now that is more like it!)
He is certainly not getting waxed at the moment. He has missed his last 3 treatments!
OMG - what must he be looking like now! We must keep an eye on the London news because if he is seen roaming the streets unwaxed............well the panic could be uncontrollable.
Hey well maybe I witnessed that panic today in Oxford Street.................. oh no, that was Gok Wan filming "how to look good naked" in Debenhams, same place as I saw the "veiled women". Now who is stalking who!
Look - the truth is I exercised my moderator rights and appointed him! (there was some mention of what we in England call a 'backhander' but I'm not sure what form this will take! :-S )
And there was me thinking it was because of the poetry and recipe additions that swung it for him! Oh not forgeting the interest in belly dancers make up
I can relate to the growing older bit! Several years ago, I was contemplating doing a degree, like her I did not have a full education when I was younger. No university or college for me.
I was talking to a colleague about the degree, and I was saying "when I finish I will be 45, I am not sure I will put it to good use" thinking at the time this seemed old! He said to me, but you will still be 45 if you don't do the degree, and you will still have nothing.
So I did the degree and I have not looked back thanks to that colleague.
Chinese, although spoken by many, is one of the most difficult to learn due to the very large amount of characters to have to remember and learn to read and write.
And did you know, in the days of the Cultural revolution in Chairman Mao's day, some words are only distinguished by the thickness of a stroke - if you got it wrong that was the difference between being a Red (Communist - you got it right) or a Black (Non-Communist and certain torture or imprisonment, of course you got it wrong)
1-AUSTRALIA
2-THE BAHAMAS
3-CANADA
4-EIRE
5-GUYANA
6-JAMAICA
7-NEW ZEALAND
9-THE UNITED KINGDOM
10-THE UNITED STATES
ENGLISH is the official second language in
HON KONG
INDIA
ISRAEL
PAKISTAN
THE PHILIPPINES
SOUTH AFRICA
KENYA
UGANDA
SUDAN
NIGERIA
etc
Millions of people are learning English.Why?
Because it is the most important international language in the world.
That is 20 % of the world's population speak English.
But how did it become so important?
English at work and play=Politics, Pop music, Computing, TV and film, Science and Medicine, Economics, Business, Air and Sea Travel, The Olympic Games, BBC.
SHAKESPEARE'S ROLE
W.Shakespeare has played an important role for internatonal English.
Shakespeare's plays had a vocabularly of about 30,000 words.
Even today, few people have a vocabularly of more than 15,000 words.
OXFORD DICTIONARY
The first English dictionary appeared in 1775.
It contained more than 40,000 words.
Today, the Oxford English Dictionary contains half a million words.
AMERICAN ENGLISH
Languages change all the time like an organism.
If they do not, they die.
But how will English Language change in the next century?
Will it become several smaller languages like American English, Australian English, Caribbean English, Canadian English, African English and so on?
THE FUTURE
English grammar will change more and more quickly in the future.
Is English becoming more than one language?
Or will another international language take its place?
In my opinion everyone will speak English soon.Why?Because, now, English words have started to become a part of other languages.
In my opinion the second language of the future is Chinese.Why? Because Chinese people are 20 of the world population.
And TURKISH? Turkish will be an important language of the world. Why? Because the historical origins of the Turkish language are in Asia, Anatolia, Middle East and other parts of the World.
Who is ruling the world languages? Maybe, the science, high technology, arts and literature, and the other side of the planet; who knows?
Yilgin, this is impressive! You have taken alot of time putting this together. One reason English is widely spoken around the world, is because of the British Commonwealth. English also contains many French and Latin words and words derived from French, Latin and Greek.
Honaray = Latin Honarrius
Honour = Latin Honor
Quorum = Latin, quotus
Pseudonym = Greek, pseudes
Questionnaire = French, Questionnaire
As far as I know Spanish is the fastest growing language in the world.
One of the all-time classic vegetarian lunch dishes on board. Lovely and light for a sunny day.
1 kg green beans
4 tablespoons of olive oil
2 medium sized onions, finely chopped
2 large tomatoes
I green pepper, chopped
2 teaspoon salt
3 teaspoons sugar
Remove the ends of the beans and the string and slice them in half lengthwise. Heat the olive oil. Lightly brown the chopped onions and the green pepper. Peel the tomatoes and chop them into small pieces and add them to the onion and pepper mixture. Add the beans, salt and sugar. Mix.
Add enough warm water to just cover the bean mixture. Cover and cook on medium heat for half an hour or until the beans are tender and the sauce is reduced.
This dish can be served at room temperature or warm. Usually it is served on oard with bulgur pilav and salad.
Just noticed this, one of my favourites, but I dont use the peppers and serve with grilled fish.
A Chinese ship carrying arms destined for Zimbabwe has been forced to leave the South African port of Durban four days after failing to unload.
Earlier, a South African judge ruled that the cargo of rocket-propelled grenades, mortar rounds and ammunition could not be transported overland.
Human rights groups had petitioned for a block on the arms and dockers had refused to unload the shipment.
Some fear Zimbabwe will use the arms to repress political opposition.
Source: BBC News
It is good to read that normal folk are making a stand by refusing to unload a shipment of arms from China destined to suppress an already heavily supressed country.
Buying sperm off the internet..now that I haven't heard of..My gosh, what the heck is this world coming too. People having sex with animals, buying sperm off the internet, sex changes...
I don't think this is in the big plan he has for us...just my opinion.
Where have you been??? There is nothing you can't buy on the internet.
after listening to "The Cranberries" for a while I got a little "nostalgic" .. this music took me back to old days when I was a younger, beautiful and worry-free
...and my mother used to ask me if there wasnt anything else outthere to listen to besides The Cranberries
The old days?????? The Cranberries have not been around that long............................... have they? :-S
I have a feeling that they have not been around as long as the bands that would qualify to be my "good old days"
Hehe!! My good ol' days would be the 60's uhmmmm no push that to the 70's!
canli, that website you gave me is great...looks so tasty. but I didn't see the roasted potatoes. I have eaten those in greek and italian restaurants but I also ate some in Turkey they were cut in little cubes and roasted to perfection with some spices... so delicious. anyone?
I think you will find they are sauted potatoes, done in a frying pan, with olive oil, maybe onions finely chopped and herbs??
Actually this person is still a female who has been undergoing gender reorganistion, but yet to complete the transistion and still has female reproductive organs that work. His / her girlfriend artificially insemintated him / her with sperm they bought off the internet using a syringe.
Sorry if you eating or about to eat dinner! Mind boggling don't you think?
Ummm....er...ah...I think we need to better come to grips with just what constitutes female and male.
Basically it is a con! The man is still a woman inside, but looks like a man on the outside! Does that make sense?
Actually this person is still a female who has been undergoing gender reorganistion, but yet to complete the transistion and still has female reproductive organs that work. His / her girlfriend artificially insemintated him / her with sperm they bought off the internet using a syringe.
Sorry if you eating or about to eat dinner! Mind boggling don't you think?
Seeing as we call it the Queen's English, it must be the Queen!
Seriously, yılgün, I think the TDK is an example of a control-economy mentality idea, that is often out of touch with reality (çok oturaklı götürgeç?)
They often try to stop developments in the vernacular. English is a free language, like many, developing by usage,
and not controlled.
In the UK the main respected body is the compilers of the Oxford English Dictionary. Instead of compiling "pure English words" to replace new words, they regularly add new words into their dictionary from common usage.
Actually the OED is now being fully reviewed and they are starting with "R" - dont ask why!
after listening to "The Cranberries" for a while I got a little "nostalgic" .. this music took me back to old days when I was a younger, beautiful and worry-free
...and my mother used to ask me if there wasnt anything else outthere to listen to besides The Cranberries
The old days?????? The Cranberries have not been around that long............................... have they? :-S
To me this is nothing to do with women rights, it is to do with the cranky religious cults that eminate through out the US and suck vulnerable victims, usually children into their sick ways of life.
Around 35,000 people ran in the marathon today and I am exhausted just watching! A new course record was made and broken by three top atheletes - 2hr 5 min and some seconds!
The inspirational stories of many runners are truely incredible and hundreds of thousands £'s are raised for a number of charities.
Although it is a long post and somewhat complicated to read, there is the point of copyright that should be considered, especially when the site advertises a lawyer of copyright, which is directly above post 7. I believe that if something is copied from a piece that holds a copyright symbol or clearly states that it is a copyright, then the source should be quoted. If the post is quoted from an article by an author then that author should be quoted. Not difficult - just a case of common decency!
Modified: it would be useful to hear other opinions
Of course, I am very much against any copying of others works with out, at the very least, some type of credit given to the original author/artist.
As an artist with intellectual property,I have been involved in this issue both legally and morally. It is no small matter.
Did you know that Intellectual property is inheritable? In divorce cases it is part of community property?
No mark is needed for legal copyright protection. As soon as a work is fixed, it is copyright. It is a serious matter others here would do well to understand instead of trivializing and making into a joke.
Ever heard the saying, 'Ignorance of the law excuses no one'. How about driving over the speed limit, will you tell the officer, I didn't know? You will still get a ticket, or could even go to jail if the law you broke was serious. Once you get behind the wheel, you are expected to know the law.
It is best first to assume copyright, unless specifically and clearly stated public domain.
I now how fiercely my company protects it's IPR especially when you know how much the product/piece/paper cost to produce!
Kal böyle aşkım, kal böyle
Ve yalnız
Bana bak.
Bakmak aşktır.
'Soyundum işte sana yol olsun diye.'
Böyle çıplak böyle et ete
Bırak gezinsin üstünde soluğum.
Saydamdır aşk, o naif şeytan
Gözlerin, çıplak memelerin, dudakların
Böyle işte böyle gel gir yatağıma.
Ve öp sonra da
Durmadan bir daha , bir daha öp beni
Böyle uzun bir yolculuk ister aşk.
Ve çek sonra da, daha bir kendine beni
Çek ki
Bileyim benim olduğunu.
Böyle işte böyle kasık kasığa.
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GAZING IS LOVE
Stay as you are my love, stay like this.
And only
Look at me
Gazing is love.
'I got naked for you to become a road'
Thus naked such flesh to flesh
Let my breath wonder on it
Love is transparent, that is a naive devil
Your eyes, your naked breasts, your lips
Thus you come and enter into my bed.
And then, kiss me
without a pause, again, and again.
Love requires a long expedition such as this.
And then, pull me, pull me harder towards you.
so that,
I would know you are mine
Like this, thus groin to groin
My attempt!
As my first day as moderator for this forum, I must say that I am impressed! A very beautiful poem
Although it is a long post and somewhat complicated to read, there is the point of copyright that should be considered, especially when the site advertises a lawyer of copyright, which is directly above post 7. I believe that if something is copied from a piece that holds a copyright symbol or clearly states that it is a copyright, then the source should be quoted. If the post is quoted from an article by an author then that author should be quoted. Not difficult - just a case of common decency!
Modified: it would be useful to hear other opinions
'The monk walked down the street,he met a man who insulted and belittled him, after listening to the man's comments the Monk asked the man, 'if you offer a gift to someone, and the person declines, to whom then does the gift belong? The man said 'it belongs to the person who offered it' the Monk said ' I decline your gift of words' and strolled on'
"classless" ? Go and look in the language forums, members are often giving out links for similar sites to this. Being a member of another site doesn't preclude someone from continuing to use this one. However, if Vineyards chooses to transfer his attention from one site to another, that's his right.
Notwithstanding Admin's original inspiration for creating this site, it is not some kind of nicey nicey Sunday afternoon project for the owners GG, it is a business enterprise and exists to provide a service to the public and thus make money.
If a person decides to venture into the business world, then they must expect competition not a monopoly. Moreover, they must keep their eyes firmly on the competition to ensure their own service keeps ahead of the game.
When Admins asked for suggestions recently I suggested that they themselves join similar sites so that they could evaluate and learn good practice and avoid less successful practice. Of course, they may already do this, I don't know. It's sensible business practice and any well run, creative business will not be scared of competition, but motivated by it. As an example, all the major supermarkets here in the UK keep their eyes firmly on each other. It keeps them on their toes, it makes them more creative, more innovative and ultimately the customer benefits too.
Maybe you went to the George Bush School of Economics, I don't know, but if you did I'd ask for my cash back as he thinks the French don't have a word for entrepreneur
Well it certainly doesn't surprise me that YOU wouldn't get it!
I don't find it suprising, those that have moved to the other site, did not generally get involved in the "debates". If Vinyard is classless, then so was Trudy as she also mentioned it and if I remember rightly they are not alone in mentioning other sites on here!
You may want to look at the usage and the last time those members posted there, including myself. I dont find it to be a bad site, I just prefer this one. But I do think you need to look more closely at who the users are there, a great deal of them did participate in debates here.
"Debate" = mud slinging, vitriolic, insulting and offending "debates".
"classless" ? Go and look in the language forums, members are often giving out links for similar sites to this. Being a member of another site doesn't preclude someone from continuing to use this one. However, if Vineyards chooses to transfer his attention from one site to another, that's his right.
Notwithstanding Admin's original inspiration for creating this site, it is not some kind of nicey nicey Sunday afternoon project for the owners GG, it is a business enterprise and exists to provide a service to the public and thus make money.
If a person decides to venture into the business world, then they must expect competition not a monopoly. Moreover, they must keep their eyes firmly on the competition to ensure their own service keeps ahead of the game.
When Admins asked for suggestions recently I suggested that they themselves join similar sites so that they could evaluate and learn good practice and avoid less successful practice. Of course, they may already do this, I don't know. It's sensible business practice and any well run, creative business will not be scared of competition, but motivated by it. As an example, all the major supermarkets here in the UK keep their eyes firmly on each other. It keeps them on their toes, it makes them more creative, more innovative and ultimately the customer benefits too.
Maybe you went to the George Bush School of Economics, I don't know, but if you did I'd ask for my cash back as he thinks the French don't have a word for entrepreneur
Well it certainly doesn't surprise me that YOU wouldn't get it!
I don't find it suprising, those that have moved to the other site, did not generally get involved in the "debates". If Vinyard is classless, then so was Trudy as she also mentioned it and if I remember rightly they are not alone in mentioning other sites on here!
It is so amusing to see how people can start an argument about another site. How many people from here have been to that site? Hundreds I suspect. I knew about it a couple of years ago, and Trudy also recommended it. Someone is right, dont remember which one, but yes people come here to argue and others go there to learn about Turkey. The forum is set up differently so this type of arguement cannot take place. There are several other sites that are run on the same basis. You post your query and you get your answer.
I roast potatoes peeled and whole. If they are large I cut in half.I first boil for 6 or 7 minutes drain and shake in the pan to roughen the surface of the potatoes.I then put them on a tray and drizzle with oil and roast them in the oven for 40 miniutes at 220C turning once. You could add any condiments you want.
At last, someone who knows how to roast potatoes! Try with garlic cloves and rosemary! I roast mine for a bit longer for that extra crispy appeal!
TLC = Turkish Learners Class, so this to me indicates somewhere for non-Turkish to learn Turkish. But the addictiveness of the forum and the soap opera like threads leave you unable to focus your attention on the real reason you joined TLC - unless of course you joined to find yourself a girl friend!
Umut is a very good young friend of mine on TC who has helped me a lot with my attempt to learn Turkish.
He is due to start his Army service at the end of this week and I would like to wish him the very best of luck and a safe return home at the end of it. I think we will miss him here on TC and hopefully it won't be too long before he is back with us again.
Iyi şanslar Umut!
This is a very nice sentiment! There are others that have gone off to national service without a word, and we should also wish them safe return home. All of us TC members that have sons of the age of national service in Turkey, it must be heart breaking to see them go, but with immense pride at the same time. Good luck to all you young men of Turkey that are about to take up your army place.
Keith, if I were you would delete the posts containing personal attacks directed to you. How come these people call you a fascist?
I agree with that.
I am anything but a fascist. But I am also against anarchy and anarchists. If simply disagreeing with thehansom makes me a fascist in his opinion, then he needs to look at his own definitions of free speech.
As far as my turkish education, I have not taken it blindly from the internet. I have worked with some of the biggest companies in Turkey and am a partner in one of them. I have had many discussion both political and socio-economic with Turkish politicians at several levels because of my job. Does this make me an expert? Of course not. But I am much more informed than you may know.
As you have read from one of my last posts, I have no harsh feelings towards Kurds and openly state they deserve complete equal rights.
I draw the line where it comes to re-drawing Turkey's eastern border. There had been relative peace in the east (once Apo was brought to justice) until the Iraq War started. Once the Iraqi Kurds began to gain control of N. Iraq, that "Kurdistan Fever" spread into Turkey and gave the Kurds there the hope of joining their Iraqi kurd brothers. But this is wrong. You can be proud to be a kurd, but a kurdish Turk...
+100000000
They cant think as we do Keithl. Coz they live in abroad. they are in safe not like us. We think twice when we want to go somewhere crowded. When we watch the news we think we were lucky today. we feel lucky when we passed there a few minutes before. They cant see we live, work, walk, support same team, watch same series on TV togather, coz they tell what they hear from others.
Im an Ataturkist, he is my leader, I m devoted to his principles thoughts. His nationalism wasnt a racist and Im not too. he said "how happy to him who says Im a turk" NE MUTLU TURKUM DİYENE!
to Deli kızın: if you dont take my bro to here I will be very glad. u do it all the time, I warned you many times
I feel a damn site safer travelling in Turkey that going to London!
Well I apparently resemble Anastacia at one end of the scale and Jeff Daniels at the other!!! This is a little bit scarey an I am now in the midst of an identity crisis!
:-S
I would be grateful if any member experienced in counselling/psycho-analysis could contact me by pm.
I felt the same, how would you like to be compared to a big Black singer, who is old enough to be your father ahhhh but at least I have heard of him
We have a nice little law in the UK which makes sexual harrassment illegal (fair enough!) and as from Sunday, it will be the reponsibility of bar owers/managers to protect their staff against sexual harrassment from customers. If they fail to do so then the employee will be able to take their employer to employment tribunal.
So we wait in anticipation for the first £2m law suit on sexual harrassment of bar staff!
Surely it goes with the territory and if you are not strong enough to deal with it, then why work in a bar in the first place?
Yours truely
Mrs Not very sympathetic and Britain really has gone bonkers
At last! I have had my other eye lasered - yesterday evening! It had to be done with a different procedure and today it is a bit sore. I am supposed to rest my eye, with it closed! Uhmmm some chance! So I have a few days off work now whilst it heals.
I was thinking about some former classmates here and over the last several years what characters some of them were. Here are my most memorable.
Pizza
Femme
Myworld
Abe
Ayse
Rain
Aenigma
heidilovesmen
Laura - I forgot her full username, anyhow her boyfriend dissapeared for several weeks with no contact with her in Turkey. Everyone wondered what happened to him?
I think about these classmates and for some reason it brings a smile.
Have I forgotten anyone?
Rain was certainly memorable but you have missed of perhaps the most colourful of members and that is our BOD! Where are you boy???????
what will happen after 10 years? you think that 70 millions of Turks will convert into Christianity en masse?
or do you mean that Bulgaria and Romania are 10 years ahead of Turkey???
It has nothing to do with Christianity. They must first successfully complete negotiations with the European Commission on each of the 35 chapters of the EU's acquis. So far they have only met maybe 5 out of 35.
The earliest date that Turkey could enter the EU is 2013, the date when the next financial perspectives (the EU's six year budgetary perspectives) will come into force.
Let's throw the old religion card....
You didn`t answer my second question. In what ways are Romania and Bulgaria superior to Turkey?
Why don't you email the EuP (European Parliament) or who ever it is that allows countries into the EU.
I think you will find, they have been going through the process much longer and Turkey has to sort out the Cyprus thing. Anyway, what benefits would Turkey gain from EU membership, apart from freedom of movement? They are already a strong part of NATO and have a thriving tourist, export economy and are virtually self-sufficient when it comes to food.
Romania and Bulgaria still have huge problems with poverty and the disgusting way they treat the disabled and mentally ill and aids victims. I would not say the are superior in anyway as a country. The old communist regimes still hangs around.
No it is not fun! Please tell me how I look like B.B. King! He is black!!! And last time I checked I am female
Don't take it personally, LL....it takes your digital image and compares the measurements of your features to other digital images in there photos archives. Perhaps he was just your closest match for width of eyes, length of nose, fullness of lips (just examples). My poor sister in law looks like Larry King!! But she is a very cute Larry King!
I gathered that, as every single likeness had glasses exactly like mine! or rather my old ones and I must admit, I do like a tan, but not that much of a tan
heheh you've got a point there, there's plenty of construction work getting ready for Euro 2012. I've heard on the news it's going to be Chinese workers and Ukrainian ones who'll build us sports facilities
I have also heard that it will be Romanian, Bulgarian, and Turks (on good authority!)
Really? That's great
Yes and I have had to turn down a project which would have meant I would have to come to Turkey!
Now we have hijacked the thread, so this is my last post on the subject!
heheh you've got a point there, there's plenty of construction work getting ready for Euro 2012. I've heard on the news it's going to be Chinese workers and Ukrainian ones who'll build us sports facilities
I have also heard that it will be Romanian, Bulgarian, and Turks (on good authority!)
Immigration will still take place in the EEA countries but the Poles are already turning back being lured by a better economy and higher standard of living (than previous) in Poland.
I wouldn't count on that, what is happening is the exchange of labour-force. The Poles that came over there a few years ago earned what they needed and now they're coming back to work out a pension at home. New ones will come for sure. I remember from my teaching days at a secondary school that most of my students' short-term plan was to go to the UK or ROI for a couple of years.
Economy in Poland might be better, still, there's no chance to make as much as in the UK when you're a blue-collar worker. The prices, on the other hand, are similar. E.g. if you want to buy a flat you'll have to pay from 1130 - 2700 pounds per square metre ($ 2230-5400 ) while the average income is 340 pounds/month net ($700 )...
I am referring more to the construction industry where there is a definite shift. With the EURO2012 construction in Warsaw, then we are seeing construction workers returning and a definite drop in those coming. There is strong competition for construction workers here because it coincides with the Olympic development and other major construction work. Interesting times ahead I think! btw Poles are hard workers and put many of our Brits to shame!
We amerikans are so ignorant about other countries... :-S Why don't you help us out and explain what an "MD" means in the exotic place you live in? For us it means a Medical Doctor... but I can't believe that your doctor asks for your msn... unless he's gay of course!
My new MD is asking for my msn.:-S
And I am still thinking if it is a good idea to give my msn to him..
But what a luck I have..I wish it was daydreamer asking for it
PM leaps to defence of immigrants after Lords claim they do nothing for Britain
Mr Brown told his monthly press conference that migration had added £6bn to the economy and was a "substantial income".
Most British businesses that have faced labour shortages had benefited from being able to recruit more widely for skilled labour, he added.
he said gross domestic product per head had risen since 1997 from £13,900 to £22,840 in the past year. He said a cap on immigrants could be applied only to those outside the EU. "Most people who are proposing a cap are proposing a cap of only 20 per cent of possible migrants," he said. "Many of these people are the highly skilled workers who are important to the economy."
The new points based system being introduced into the UK to stem the flow of migrants will only affect those from outside the EEA countries. At first they have introduced Tier 1 in February, and this will affect highly skilled workers, such as doctors, dentist, Civil Engineers etc etc. They will need to be able to accumulate 75 points and that is based on salary, level of English and education. It only extends as far as India at the moment, but will be introduced to the rest of the world by the end of the year.
In the following years, Tier 2, for skilled workers, again on salary and education levels.
Tier 3 will be where it really hits, non-skilled workers, and those that will be affected most will the food industry, such as Indian, Chinese and Turkish restaurants. When it comes time to re-aply for visa's this system will come into play. It is already affecting Philipino nurses, lured to the UK a few years ago to fill gaps in nursing. Now they are being sent home as they don't meet the new requirements.
Immigration will still take place in the EEA countries but the Poles are already turning back being lured by a better economy and higher standard of living (than previous) in Poland.
A knock on my door this morning, whilst I am still in my dressing gown, to find a group of Jehovahs Witnesses (complete with 8 year old being brainwashed).
'Can I take a moment of your time',
'sorry no I am ill' (lie - can't you see I am in my dressing gown?)
'I just want to talk to you about................'
'no, thanks, I am an aethiest'(another lie which did not work!)
'Oh really! (he said geefully) Let me give you this to read'
Door gradully closing,
'no thanks I am not intereted'
Do shut!!
Why oh why do the Jehovahs and Mormons think it is perfectly OK to come to your door and 'try' and convert you. It really does make me mad!
I hope you're not trying to start another controversial thread LL!
Haha be glad when I can see perfectly and stop making spelling mistakes!
A knock on my door this morning, whilst I am still in my dressing gown, to find a group of Jehovahs Witnesses (complete with 8 year old being brainwashed).
"Can I take a moment of your time",
"sorry no I am ill" (lie - can't you see I am in my dressing gown?)
"I just want to talk to you about................"
"no, thanks, I am an aethiest"(another lie which did not work!)
"Oh really! (he said geefully) Let me give you this to read"
Door gradully closing,
"no thanks I am not intereted"
Do shut!!
Why oh why do the Jehovahs and Mormons think it is perfectly OK to come to your door and "try" and convert you. It really does make me mad!
It was my son's birthday yesterday too! I did my best to hang on to him for another couple of hours, but they wouldn't let me! 10:30 pm on 1st April 1980! Now I feel old
to all of you that have ability to understand, from Ataturk:
Turkish youth!
Your first duty is forever to preserve and to defend the Turkish independence and the turkish republic.
This is the very foundation of your existence and your future. This foundation is your most precious treasure. in the future, too, there may be malevolent people at home and abroad who will wish to deprive you of this treasure. If some day you are compelled to defend your independence and your republic, you must not tarry to weigh the possibilities and circumstances of the situation before taking up your duty. These possibilities and circumstances may turn out to be extremely unfavourable. The enemies conspiring against your independence and your republic, may have behind them a victory unprecedented in the annals of the world. it may be that, by violence and ruse, all the fortresses of your beloved fatherland may be captured, all its shipyards occupied, all its armies dispersed and every part of the country invaded. And sadder and graver than all these circumstances, those who hold power within the country may be in error, misguided and may even be traitors. Furthermore, they may indentify their personal interests with the political designs of the invaders. The country may be impoverished, ruined and exhausted.
Youth of Turkey’s future,
Even in such circumstances it is your duty to save the turkish independence and republic.
The strength you need is already imbedded in your noble blood.
thank you Ataturk, thank you
I have a great deal of respect for this statement, but I don't see why it has to be drummed into young children on a daily basis in the fashion shown in the video. What I have a problem with, is the fact that a child was leading the recital.
USA
Canada
England
France
Germany
Russia
Japan
China
I don't think Canada is nationalistic. I doubt Canadians are brainwashed every day to believe that they are the greatest nation in the world and whatever the government does it must be obeyed. I also doubt minorities are looked down on. Also, I may be an ignorant but how many terrorist attacks were there recently?
Japan is more business-oriented. I think it's lost lots of its nationalism to materialism.
England, France and Germany are so mixed racially and nationally that it's hard to speak about the German/British/French spirit. Of course, all these countries have organisations and supporters of nationalism but it's a bit like flogging a dead horse. I doubt they'd eagerly fight for whatever cause their country tells them to. Were they really nationalistic, they'd make their minorities assimilate even if it meant using force.
I'm not sure about China but Russia definitely is nationalistic. Both these countries have long history of not respecting individuals who were more like slaves to the country that citizens. Sacrificing millions was never a problem for their wielders. Now, we may of course debate whether you'd like to live in a country where you cannot decide about yourself if your government appointed fate for you. China regulated birth control and riots turned into massacres. Human rights are still not respected there. And there's the issue of Tibet. If this is what makes you call China a great nation then I'm speechless.
Russia is said to have to be ruled by a strong hand. It has been so for centuries. Nationalism as concept has been used by their rulers to justify their imperialism. Russia is strong, unpredictable and dangerous. However, being the biggest country in the world and controlling a huge part of natural resources like oil or gas it has a massive influence on the world. If any other country dealt with Chechnya the way Russia did, the consequences would be different. Russia is not a democracy, it's an Empire and it will remain so regardless of the name it will take. Are you sure you'd like to live in a country where your voice doesn't matter? Right...
And then there's the USA. Sure it has to enforce national feelings - they have no common roots and their history is just over 200 years old. To create a sense of unity in a country like that you need something to keep them together. Why is the US media the most influential in the world? Because it's one of the means of controlling the nation.
Nationalism isn't really putting national flags in your front yard. It's not repeating a pledge every morning. It's what you are taught to believe in. It's what you read in the papers. It's a country the welfare of whose is more important than the welfare of its folk. Nationalism is when you're taught hatred and you think it means love. It's creating a sense of constant fear, unease and being told that you need to make sacrifices to stop it. Then you send your children to war even if your country is not attacked. You tolerate executions not because that is what should happen to people who disagree with you, you tolerate them because you are forced to think they are your enemies. You let the government under your sheets because you are brainwashed to obey.
I have nothing against patriotism. I admire the people who gave their lives for me to be free. For me to speak Polish, not Russian or German. But loving your country does not mean not asking questions, challenging traditions and making changes. Those who don't progress, move backwards.
Very well written and I would agree with what I know about the countries.
China! Well I have been there several times, and witnessed out of my hotel window the indonctrination of it's people. I would not say they are nationalistic at all! They have a communist regime but are capitalists at the same time. There is far to much corruption (at one point it was 17% of GDP) and polictical arrests resulting in capital punishment. It is a strange country and one that I never felt comfortable in.
Name one or two for me. I can name many with strong sense of nationalism that are truly independent.
USA
Canada
England
France
Germany
Russia
Japan
China
Of course I have left out some, but these are the obvious that come to mind in just seconds.
What makes these countries great is not their nationalism. Also, what made them great was not their nationalism. And in present day, nationalism in these countries is used to manipulate the masses to allow the governments to carry on their hideous policies.
I did not say nationalism made them great. They are great countries. AND...they are nationalists.
We have a nationalist element, but we are not a nationalistic country, with over 300 nationalities how can we be? Patriotic, maybe and even that is dying because so many people would like to see the Royal family gone.
Merhaba, does anyone no if the turkish festival is in lodon again this year as i went last year is was really good! if anyone knows of the date or if its on can u right back please as i would love to go again.. thanks
I would like to go this year, so keep an eye out and let us know!
European ppl and even some tukish ppl who live in europe see turkish ppl ignorant. they look us from top. that s why they always give advices. they just talk and talk nothing else. We wont educate our children as u want. coz we see turkish children who educated in europe. I know all of you are very small minority, think like that. ur type of persons can say one day, this flag is old, we should find another new one. coz it wont mean anything to them. but it does too much us. being a part of this country is not easy. and we know this, we can give our life without any hesitate when needed.
You are wrong, I for one do not consider Turks to be ignorant, in fact far from it! It is quite offensive to even consider that. The ones I know are intellegent and knowledgeable. You have deliberately started this thread to try and antagonise and you are now taking your point to the edge of reason. And as for your flag - what is that about? Who would expect you to change your flag?
It is one thing to be patriotic, no harm in that; I am patriotic to my country, but you are verging on nationalism with your posts.
As I said, it is narrowminded and naive to start a thread like this and not expect critism.
This pledge has been said by the 7 years olds 10s of years in Turkey.
After all those years, the generations who grew up with 'andimiz' (and of course with 'ne mutlu turkum diyene' as well) just managed to create the quality of living standards 'just above' African countries.!!!
So basically they are empty and they are not working.
(personally, instead of brain washing with people with empty slogans, it is better if we taught people why holland generates 7 times more money from their agricultural product than turkey or why and how they make nearly 10 billion dollars each year from the export of tulips with 15 million people where as we just managed the same amount from tourism several years ago with 80 million people!! )
Anyways, about andimiz.
I doubt the validity of it and also I doubt the relevance of it as well as I find it quite disrespectful to my country's citizens.
It is against everything about multiculturalism.
There are not Turks only in Turkey.
There are people they dont want to call themselves turk and they are the people of Turkey.
They are turkish.
They dont call themselves Turk.
And everybody should respect this.
ps..I think recently the minister of education said something about it too.
I think he argued that "putting foreign children (like germans, english etc) into line of assembly every morning and force them to say 'I am a Turk' as a first line would be forcing them to lie".
It is, to be honest,a confession that we have been forcing our own people to lie for a long time And nobody should say that "'I am Turk' in that context does not not mean turk as ethnic race"..please. we should not lie to ourselves
Especially when tulips come from Turkey originally! (or was that your point? )
Colony of flying penguins has been discoverd in the antarctic and a film documentary has been made. This is a 90 mininte film, but just so you can get the feel of it, I posted the BBC link.
I personally think it is narrow minded to start a thread like this and then not expect some negative response, then claim that the site is anti-Turkish values. but looking at most of the answers, people (non-Turks) are agreeing with you and see nothing wrong with it.
My view is that this sort of thing belongs with the Arc; why expose young children to this? It has reverberations of nationalism and nationalism breeds racism, hatred and violence. This sort of attitude is not good for tourism, a thriving, growing industry.
At last! I have had my other eye lasered - yesterday evening! It had to be done with a different procedure and today it is a bit sore. I am supposed to rest my eye, with it closed! Uhmmm some chance! So I have a few days off work now whilst it heals.
Thanks Guys, Are we talking from Sabiha Gökçen or Ataturk airport? Speed will be of the essence, if I decide to visit, as I will want to pack in a lot!!
My neighbours wonder what is happening!!! The windows are rattling, husband donned ear plugs, the cats have run away, even the local teenagers think someone new has moved in!
I have just bought the the new Muse Live (Haarp) Album live at Wembley................
My post was only up a few minutes before you posted your response. That was not much time to actually read and deliberate on my thoughts.
I think daydreamer is smart enough to read and post an opinion in a very short period of time. It doesn't take 3 hours for some people to digest what has been said and come up with a response.
It does for some of us! At work, lunch time, read post, log off, log on at night and write a reply post! Could be 5 hours!
There are lots of pages with make up ideas and they're actually not difficult to find. Here are some examples:
http://www.bellydancefun.com/Stage-Makeup.html
http://www.giselebomentre.com.br/english/arabic_style_make_up.htm
http://gobellydance.com/MakeupTips.html
http://samarawarda.multiply.com/photos/album/22
Thank you for those wonderful links mareli..
Were these links helpful handome? any new make-up tips learnt? I wonder if you bellydance too?
Uhmm, slightly disturbing! Perhaps he is 'thepretty' at weekends
Hi all,
Wow I cannot believe there were so many replies to this thread, I hope that my confession did not shock too many here on T.C. I am not sure now why I actually confessed?
This fetish is very unharmful and infact Nesrin herself sees it as a plus in our marriage, she gets to always have new shoes bought for her, I quite enjoyed my short time working self-employed as a shoes seller, ladies shoes are so much more interesting than men's.
I see many Turkish ladies take pride in their feet with pedicures in Turkey being not as expensive as here in the U.K. I think feet are very attractive part of the body (ladies only of course)
I have always found this interesting; Black people in the UK speak just like white UK citizens. Whereas in the states, the black population seem to speak a completely different dialect. Of course, this is based on the Black figures presented to us in movies and shows but then most black celebrities also speak with a different accent.
Libralady, the UK was a social state before Thatcher. She said it would not go on like that. Have there been any major changes in the country's healthcare system since her?
The UK is still a social state and will not change in the immediate future, yes we are lucky but we pay for it out of our salaries. If you decided to have private treatment you pay extra.
I think Thatcher saw the UK becoming a country full of entrepreners and wealthy business people, but that has not happen.
The gap between rich and poor has opened, in part I believe to the way our social system is now under Labour. Entrepreners and businesses are not encouraged but it is OK to claim benefit and social security.
But I think our health system works perfectly OK, except there is far to much waste, and having worked as a buyer in a hospital I can tell you exactly how the money is wasted.
Aside this, I found the article interesting and I too am interested in social science. But I do believe that people can do more for themselves and not rely on others or expect others to do it for them.
BTW, there are plenty of Black people in the UK that speak with the most ridiculous language (the hoody wearing, long slung jeans, knife carrying gangs, gangster wrap fans) and many still have their Afro-Caribean accents to.
This is a fantastic topic that I've been sort of looking for . When you study medicine you will see that women and minorities are always the groups with many more health problems (on average) then white men. This is very interesting considering that majority of the world power is in the hands of a system that is essentially a white supremacist patriarchy. This is pretty much intuitional but it's good to explore it more... here's a web site that explores this topic (they focus on African-Americans):
This is a very intesting article, but Catwoman it is not just women and minoriies that suffer! Poor black men do too! This aritcle relates to the USA and should not be atributed to the rest of the Western world, and I mean Europe.
But one thing I diagrees with, obesity is caused by one thing and that is over eating, which in turn causes other problems, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure etc etc. Only one person can solve that and that is the person that over eats or eats the wrong type of food. But the temptation in the USA to eat the wrong food and over eat is enormous, and I blame the government for that.
You should research how McDonalds became McDonalds and I bet you would never eat another one in your life!
Just for a small point, in the UK women live longer than men!
I am not an action thiller fan, but I do like a book to be interesting and catch your attention. I actually prefer biographies and not the Jordon, or Beckham celebrity sort either. Biographies by people who have had interesting lives or books about people (Like Sir Edmund Hilary for instance). I was drawn to read a couple of her books because she won the Nobel prize for Literature (somehow??).
Hey, I already protested the false accusations about Bunnies, accused handsom of Lickaphilia....I feel like I have already waved the banner of controversy!
Hey, you made ME laugh, but apparently not karpusqueen, lady in red, Ebbyru, azade, vineyards, libralady, Roswitha.... etc. Sorry, we are testing the talent to stir controversy, not to be smart! You can even say something dumb, as long as it turns this light breeze over TC into a tornado!
I laughed too, but only several hours after you posted this! Please now modify your above post and remove my name
Has TC become too tame? Have we gone from one extreme to the other? It seems that we have adjusted the rules to accomodate some members who believed the site was getting too mean spirited....but now what? The ones who have complained don't come, the ones who caused all the controversy have left....What's the deal? Can the site survive "TC Lite"?
btw did you start this before or after the fetish thread?
I hav since read two of her books, "The Grass is singing" and "The Golden NOtebook"
I must say, two of the most boring books I have had the misfortune to pick up!
Fortunately "The Grass is Signing" is only around 200 pages but as for the "Golden Notebook"...................... This is perfect if you have a sympathy with communism and feminism........but not my type of book.
Cat....I think you need to lock this thread...we found out handsom is a lickophilliac...
Well..I have never had any complaints so far.. And , I cant see "lickophilliac" in the fetishism list..
Well I suppose "someone" is discovering new fetishes all the time, and more to the point thinking up incredible names for them, so how do we get lickophilliac added to the list ?
I deeply believe this topic is not to be discussed on a peaceful site like this one. Not only is it morally doubtful but it insults Turkishness by implying that they might be contaminated with serious dysfunction typical for spoilt Western countries.
Obviously you are joking! This is far more interesting than religion or politics! Thehandsom, please tell more!!!!
Dont forget to check if you need visa's to enter any of the countries before you go.
Switzerland is nice, very orderly, clean and has the best public transport train system in Europe. If you go to the Alps side (French / Italian) it is beautiful. Swiss people can be a bit stand offish though and Geneva airport is one I try to avoid!
And can somebody explain to me what does a 'civil engineer' do? it reminds me of just kaldırım mühendisi I dont know why... And are the domestic engineers housewives? :-S Or is there such an profession really?
Civil engineer is an engineer that will design bridges, large construction projects etc such as the Euro tunnel project in the UK, or the Bosphorus Bridge in Istanbul, roads and infrastructure, canals, dams, large building etc etc.
Ever thought about cheering up a sick relative in hospital by bringing in their pets?
A Hawaiian man did just that, thought tha he would brighten the day of his sick relative but............
A Hawaiian hospital has restated its rules on pets after a man took a horse up in a lift in a bid to cheer up a sick relative with his favourite steed.
Man and beast were stopped by security guards only after reaching the third floor, after apparently passing through the lobby unchallenged.
The patient was allowed to see them but it turned out to be the wrong horse.
Best thing is to search the internet. Normally on insurance there is a time limit, i.e. number of days spent abroad, so you might have to find something that would suit say a backpacker. Also watch out for liability sum, at least £2m and preferably £5m. And of course make sure that repatriation is covered too, just in case.
Think carefully, has every non religious person you have come across been great? :-S
Having meet people from all walks of life, I can say that I have met more religous hypocrits than non-religous. But I respect everyone for their belief so long as I am able to have mine!
Daydreamer, you puzzle me, how do you know so much about this site and where people come from?
I know exactly what Jannisary is saying and I must say that in the past his words are very true. I can't speak for the future. On many occasions "bed" Westerners have argued about Turkey with Turks as if they are living there or have a PhD in Turkish history.
Puzzling you? Me? Owww...
Seriously, I've been a member here for 3 years so I have seen a lot of people acting in various ways with different nicks etc. I've also seen all the changes in this site - good ones and bad ones. Some people left, some left and came back, some left without deleting their account.
My answer to janissary concerning westerners arguing with Turks about history had a winking smiley at the end so it was obviously intended as a humorous remark. Still, I see nothing wrong in contrasting different points of view. You know it well yourself that Turkey is not really a very tolerant country when it comes to access to information. If I were Turkish, I'd love to know what world history writes about certain things. If you lived in a country that forges history (like I did for a while) - I don't mean Turkey here as I have no idea whether Turkish history is forged or not - you'd know what I mean. History is a wonderful study, unfortunately it's often distorted and subjective when taught.
I did not make my point clear, I was not referring to Turkish history per se just because I mentioned a PhD in Turkish history, but I was talking about polictics and history.
There has been times on this site, and if you have been here 3 years you know well what I mean, that Westerners appear to know more about the goings on it Turkey than Turks do!!!! And then wonder why native Turks get upset.
Perhaps if Turks started to tell you and argue about the potato famine, or about the IRA you would know what I mean
Take a look at my photos, I was in the mountains last August! I have written an essay, but I still haven't had time to complete and proof read properly to add it, and beside it would take a long time to read!
WOW! so this is how it goes.. u post that u r leaving and u get 29 replies!! u become known at once!! maybe I should do that too.. I have been here for about one year, and I have got more than 300 posts, most of which are done for translating love messages ( lol ) and others. But what? Nobody ever remembers me!!! I feel so lonely here like i am invisible!!! I will say im leaving and maybe i can get some attention!
You haven't gone un-noticed but...didn't daydreamer mention something about a most dramatic farewell contest? Maybe you could be one of the first contestants!! But don't REALLY leave.
You are forgetting the champ is already Aenigma in her various guises in the past! I forget how many times she said she was leaving along with all the drama and outpouring of grief only to stay or return under a new name!
I am at a loss here, is everyone joking? :-S cos I see a couple of pictures of scenary what is offensive? Please tell me you are all joking and put me out of my misery.......................
Looking at the wrong pics! Now I see ..................
I am at a loss here, is everyone joking? :-S cos I see a couple of pictures of scenary what is offensive? Please tell me you are all joking and put me out of my misery.......................
Ghost flights are an outrage! Empty planes fly long haul! My "favourite" airline BA and still waiting for my compensation for being denyed boarding from Ankara to Heathrow 7 months later!
OMG this site is so boring on the last few days is like all the fun people is gone and I'm totally invisible haha funniest thing ever but very boring
All you need is love
peace & Burger King
You have the options to make it more fun then! Who are the fun people that have gone?
I have not drunk any red wine for two weeks and have lost 4lb in weight! But I like my wine, beer, gin, and raki - more or less in that order............... But I agree one bottle a day is a little excessive, especially if you are driving!
But I am tired of "I am leaving" announcements and "please dont leave" polls.
We complained.
Admin and Catwoman listened. They made changes.
Please, everyone. Let us give them a chance. If, in 2 weeks time, you still feel upset then go. But until then, stay.
If you cant find it in your heart to do this, then please tiptoe away quietly.
Maybe I should start a thread saying "I am staying"?
Another one to completely agree! But it is up to us members to see that the changes are successful by repecting the work being done and the new rules etc.
I would like to raise this question again - what do you think about the restriction to discuss politics and religion here ONLY if it is DIRECTLY related to Turkey?
I think that such a restriction will not only keep us focused on the topic of Turkey, which is the purpose of this web site, but also will allow us to avoid many unnecessary arguments about religion and foreign politics that are really not meant to take place here.
I think it will be difficult for some members NOT to enter into discussion about other countries and I dont really see that as being A problem or THE problem.
I would like to see the site more Turkey related and less of the rest of the world, but again, there is only so much you can say about any one country. And history tells us that people enjoy the more controversial topics and some of the interesting ones about the country have gone practically unnoticed.
I also agree with Karpusqueen that you need to collectively set the guidelines (rules or whatever you like to call them) and then moderate to those and warn when things get out of hand.
We all know the basic rules of forum use so set the guidelines around the politics and religion and let us see the changes emerge.
I for one would like to add that I appreciate what you (Admin) are trying to achieve and the appointment of new moderators and would like to see this site remain as successful and one to be proud to recommend to friends.
thehandsom (though disrespecting me): thank you for the help
No hard feelings Mickan
I was there the day of that "fight" which I never understood the reason of such argumets, but it was fine with me I took advantage of a crowded chat room to I make some profit by selling my cocktails
Cocktails???????????? No-one told me about them, what is your price? Singapore Sling on two for one is my favourite!
If arguing was a religion it would win hands down! Please everyone........................ Libra = the sign of balance, equilibrium and harmony, so lets have some my dear friends!
Tomorrow is a new day, and for us ugly Westerners it is Easter when we gorge ourselve stupid on Hot Cross Buns and easter eggs and if anyone can tell me why, then I will buy them dinner!
Kisses to everyone and I said I could not tell you what sort of mood I am in!
Perhaps we should have a pre-meeting to set the protesting agenda then a meeting to discuss the protesting followed a review and set some actions from the protest meeting.
Oh sorry I forgot, I am not at work now :-S it has been alooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong day
I think there was a misunderstanding of Keith's words. We have agreed that there will be no censoring as to what kind of news can be posted and discussed as long as the discussion does not contain insults and personal attacks and is not meant to either promote or to denigrate Islam.
Phew, we've got there! Well I have an early start tomorrow, so I am having an early night! Sweet Dreams all
I'm not a believer in censoring news about islam or turkey. I am just pointing out that these 3 threads were started to show a specific negative aspect of Islam. I don't need to discuss the right or wrong aspect. I am just showing the example that this type of thread exists. Similarly, there have been threads started showing a negative aspect of USA. Even though none of these examples have anything to do with Turkey, I am in favor of allowing the content as long as behavior does not get particularly abusive.
Ok, I see your point Keith, but I don't understand how you decided that the purpose of posting those threads was to show negative sides of Islam? To me they looked like news announcements.
They were news announcements but the posts that followed became inflammatory and indeed were insulting to some. But this happened, what about a year ago? Hopefully all discussions in the future will be just that.
In English our country is called Turkey. It is written with a capital "T" and is a homonym of turkey the Guinea fowl. In a language, a word may have more than one meaning and this is exactly the case for the word referring to Turkey.
There are certain processes that are instrumental in the formation of new vocabulary and in their gaining different meanings. None of them involve foreign intervention.
I can not find a word to describe how improper the so called word Turkia is. It defies scientific facts and natural linguistic processes.
We Turks call Egypt as Misir which also means corn, the Turkish word for India is Hindistan which literally translates into English as "The land of Turkeys"; Abaza is both an adjective referring to a man who craves for a woman and at the same time to a subject of Abhasia. We used to call Iranians as Acemi which means inexperienced. Because our people do not have a habit of reading, they sometimes come up with these ridiculous inventions.
If we expect that the USA, UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and all the other English speaking people will change the name of our country to some other word just because we want to them to do so then we must accept foreign intervention in our own mother tongue.
Interesting Vineyards! Actually it is one reason I like to watch the Eurovision Song Contest so you actually get to find out what a country's real name is and not just our version!
This is the core of the issue. We agree that especially the Taliban terrorizing women in Afghan is wrong. There really isn't much to discuss. But, what is the purpose of the thread?
The purpose of the thread is the same as the purpose of a positive news - information. This is not an islamic web site, therefore we will not censor only positive news about Islam, if Islam is an allowed topic.
Sorry but can you two sort this out in private please....................................................
Maybe one fo the nice new mods will delete the repeating posts, and as for the laptop, if you live in a tower block dropping for a high floor will do the trick!
Do English courts ban Youtube if someone put an amusing video about someone of special important people of English history?
I am just curious about the behaviour of European countries such a situation...
English courts very rarely ban ANYTHING! BTW I have just been chatting to my son who is studying in China at the moment and Youtube has just been banned there!
Well the government banned smoking in ALL public places last year!!
Now they are trying to ban the use of plastic bags.
I am in favour of both bans! Bring back the shopping basket I say!
A career crimial was imprisioned for around 12 burglaries. Enough one might think, but he had a sudden guilty conscious (so the do gooders will tell you) and called police to his prision cell where he subsequently confessed to a further 305 burglaries. So for several weeks he was taken around his area by police and he duly showed them exactly where he burgled, including details of how he broke in and what he stole! He was taken to court again and the judge gave him just another two months on his sentance, to the outrage of those whose property he had burgled. The judge was astounded by his memory.
Now I can hear you saying 'well done chap', but when you admit to further crimes in prison you cannot be taken to court again when you are released and effectively come out with a clean slate. He sounds like one clever dude to me!
A man and woman loved their dogs so much, that when they brushed them they saved their fur. In fact they saved so much, that when the dogs died, they decided to have the fur spun, make jumpers and wear their dogs with pride!
We have two new moderators in TLC.. Hooray! Vineyards and Keith
I noticed this too:
"And seems we have Müjde as Mod in language sections too
and Lady in red in Türkiye's section. "
...........so my question is who is moderating what?...and is this official?
It seems like the section that needs the most moderating is the General/Off-topic section. That is where things really spin out.
In the Turkish Language Class User Statistics the Administrators are listed as Admin, Catwoman and Deli_Kizin. IOW there is no mention of the others.
That is because Administrators and moderators are different with different powers! Just don't cross the moderators if you value your existance they hold the plutonium ................
Daydreamer, you puzzle me, how do you know so much about this site and where people come from?
I know exactly what Jannisary is saying and I must say that in the past his words are very true. I can't speak for the future. On many occasions "bed" Westerners have argued about Turkey with Turks as if they are living there or have a PhD in Turkish history.
Puzzling you? Me? Owww...
Seriously, I've been a member here for 3 years so I have seen a lot of people acting in various ways with different nicks etc. I've also seen all the changes in this site - good ones and bad ones. Some people left, some left and came back, some left without deleting their account.
My answer to janissary concerning westerners arguing with Turks about history had a winking smiley at the end so it was obviously intended as a humorous remark. Still, I see nothing wrong in contrasting different points of view. You know it well yourself that Turkey is not really a very tolerant country when it comes to access to information. If I were Turkish, I'd love to know what world history writes about certain things. If you lived in a country that forges history (like I did for a while) - I don't mean Turkey here as I have no idea whether Turkish history is forged or not - you'd know what I mean. History is a wonderful study, unfortunately it's often distorted and subjective when taught.
Sorry but I have only just noticed your posts! To me it seem you know a lot about "inside" the TC world, that all.
its not allowed to write against USA and Israel by dear moderators on this site. if you go on posting after warning you will be deleted writing about Turkey is free! whatever you want Im learning lots of things about turkey from some ppl on this site like turkish history from dutch ppl and about European Union and Turkey from Kazaks
For one thing, I believe Catwoman wanted to close this topic as it is not DIRECTLY connected to Turkey (I guess that is what the rules say) as this is a Turkish Class. It's definitely not wrong to criticise US - there are lots of negative comments about US here (I had my share in it too).
As for learning history of your country from yabancilar, it may be beneficial - at least you can learn where world history puts Turkey. Nobody tells you to agree with it, right? Oh, the whole population of Kazakhs in this site is currently ZERO so don't say they still teach you what to think
Having explained that, dear admins, why the heck can we NOT discuss things not related to Turkey in off-topic forum?
I thought people said they were ok discussing all kinds of issues here?
Daydreamer, you puzzle me, how do you know so much about this site and where people come from?
I know exactly what Jannisary is saying and I must say that in the past his words are very true. I can't speak for the future. On many occasions "bed" Westerners have argued about Turkey with Turks as if they are living there or have a PhD in Turkish history.
This sounds like more that one disorder to me, paranoia and bipolar! If this is one person they are in desperate need of help.
Thank u Libra! I also thought it is bipolar (for unexpectable mood changes) and a kind of panic attack (for the fear of going mad/losing mind and fast heartbeat, improper breathing). And u add paranoia to this, what makes u think so?
I had an uncle who suffered paranoia and showed some of these traits and I have a friend who daughter was diagnosed with Bipolar age 13 and she has some of those traits. Both are very serious disorders.
Bipolar is treated with lithium and several famous people had it, one being Churchill and Stephen Fry too if you are English.
At last, the EuP has been taken against Chinese oil giant PetroChina/ CNPC. It has sold it's shares in the company.
The European Parliament has disinvested in a firm accused of being one of the chief bankrollers of the Sudanese regime's military campaign in Darfur after pressure from MEPs and human rights activists.
It made me wonder how my life had been changed by the advent of the www eg. reading the news online!!!
It's also impacted on my work life, as a teacher. Some aspects of my job have been made easier eg. much more interest grabbing lesson resources. On the other hand, trying to keep up with 4 year olds losing their sites on the 3 PCs I have in my classroom, can be very time consuming. I wonder what Joyce Grenfell would have made of it all ?
I do seem to have become a slave to it lately! eg TC Class!!
The www seems to have produced many modern day 'curtain twitchers' too .
So . . . perhaps members would like to share how the www has affected their lives . . .
Yes, I saw him on the news this morning and what a quiet unassuming fellow he is! Now he is worried about the monster he has created, rather like a technological Frankestien.
I cannot imagine life with out the web now. Not only do I use it at home for personal things, i.e socially, keeping in touch with friends I would otherwise not have, booking holidays, searching for somewhere off the beaten track a little more unusual, reading the news from around the world, learning and education and the occasional purchase.
At work I use it for research for my job, finding reports and government policy etc - social sites and msn are blocked so that is out!!!!!
Maybe it's just me but I don't spend time on things I don't enjoy. I don't mind people critisizing the US or my religion....I rather enjoy it. It makes me think about why I am what I am. My wish is that everyone would stop being so defensive. If you can't take being critisized, perhaps you should lock yourself in a room with no access to the outside world.
It is not about that, it is about people on this site being treated fairly, equally regardless of what they post!
Since everybody is so unhappy with TC, please tell us what are your suggestions about what you would like to be different, what would you like to change in the forum?
Please make it crystal clear who are the administrators. Lock or block unpleasant insulting threads
Treat all member with fairness, equally and with respect then this will be returned I am sure (PLEASE no favouritism)
Ensure that Private Message are just that and the only access is by the administrators - not contents of PM's should be discussed in the forum
What a sad indictment of what this site has evolved to. Being a "long term member " of about 21/2 years, I have seen considerable changes to the way this site is managed (not that I could do better or do I wish to belittle Admins attempts) when unpleasant threads were locked or blocked far more readily than today.
I tend to agree with both Alpha and Vinyards in equal amounts, they are both right in some of the comments they make.
It is wrong that people are singled out and admonished when others get off scott free without a warning and been allowed to post and carry on posting insulting comments.
I dont think that threats of leaving the site work as there will always be someone else to follow, therefore a concious look at moderation, who has access to what should be considered before serious harm is done to what should be a brilliant site.
I remember when Catwoman was an administrator so I take it she still admin rights which I find unacceptable.
If there is anyone who can translate or give me an idea what is being said, I would be very grateful. CSCS Card is something used in the construction industry in the UK.
All school leavers could be asked to swear an oath to the Queen. School-leavers should be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen and country, says a report commissioned by Gordon Brown on British citizenship. source BBC News
What a downright insult! How much more like America do they want us to be
and we are not citizens we are subjects as we are a monarcy! So Gordon Brown, put that in your pipe an smoke it.
You reach Kayaköy via Hisarönü following a small road, you reach teh village on the left. Opposite the village is a cafe / bar and just up the road from there is the quad bike people! We visited Kayaköy but only for a short time. The whole village is so eery even in bright sunshine.
If you carry on, you reach Gemiler Beach also known as Camel Beach. The scenary coming to Gemiler Beach is fantastic with views in the bay and the Island of Aya Nicholas, which also has ruins of rock tombs, a 7thc monastary from the Byzantine era and a ruined hamlet complete with ruined church. It is now a stopping off point for days trippers on gulets and tourist speed boats.
There is also the icecream sellers in their little boats and the jet skis for hire (at about £25 per 10 minutes - no thank you!), otherwise peaceful stop off.
Come on Deli - where did you go? Please put us out of our misery
Ok I was all mixed up I have never been to Yarmouth, but my mom often went there. As for me, I ate such a candy stick with a word inside it, which was in Plymouth, but we did not swim there. I swam in Scarborough as a kid
Is Yarmouth the place they sell that pink kinda candy shaped in sticks? I remember that we went there when I was a child, but not sure if it was Great Yarmouth? It was a coastal place.
I cant tell you about my 'boxer', I remember I forgot my underwear there and had to sit in my tiny bathingsuit all the way back in the car
I think you are thinking of Blackpool and its called 'rock' its a kind of candy often with pink or red spripes in it and sometimes if you are lucky when you bite into it it says Blackpool down the middle! Yes i know...too much time on my hands!
There is such stuff as candy floss, pink sugary fluffy stuff that is stuck to a wooden stick. Rock is a different kettle of fish, it is hard candy stick and usually a variety of flavours with words printed through the middle. You certainly cannot bite into rock!!!! unless you want broken teeth. Yarmouth is as equally famous as Blackpool, only on the Norfolk coast as opposed to the Lancashire coast (opposite sides of the country). Come on Deli - where did you go? Please put us out of our misery
You wont believe this but he is 68! (Mod: Tom Jones I mean!) I reckon he can still shake it just as well as the young un's He was one hell of a singer in his hey day and had women throwing their panties at him! He could move his hips ........ well, I'll leave that to your imagination.
Why can't people learn how to quote properly instead of making ridiculously long posts? It's not that difficult!!!
But it is bloody time consuming
Maybe I have my wires crossed here, do you mean just delete a whole bunch of quotes and just leave names? yes that is very quick and easy, or do you mean inserting lots of little quotes from various post, now that is what I was talking about!
Is Yarmouth the place they sell that pink kinda candy shaped in sticks? I remember that we went there when I was a child, but not sure if it was Great Yarmouth? It was a coastal place.
I cant tell you about my 'boxer', I remember I forgot my underwear there and had to sit in my tiny bathingsuit all the way back in the car
Yarmouth is nearly the closest part of the UK to Netherlands you know! (Actually Lowestoft is and just a few miles down the road) and Yes they do have candy on sticks, and toffee apples and kiss me quick hats and lots of fat women with tatoos
EROTICISM
Love is a cicada in my ear hole
-To be dressed doth a man wear
and a woman so to be bare-
Since they thusly desire
I see all women naked
In my perineum a new born kitten
keeps licking my manhood
My pulse is throbbing on my temple
Then a summer rain befalls
Not blood but a whitish dope
comes out of my schlong
Cicadas are still whizzing
They are just a little wet now
This is my attempt. As the other thread has gone out of control, I am starting a new one. I've found thehandsome's translation very good but there are many ways to translate a poem and when the poet is Yucel there are indeed many.
There is no shame in art. It is all about humans. Authors, storytellers and poets have a license to reflect human nature without any restrictions. They can narrate things with an omniscient point of view.
Although not a personal favourite; at least, this one makes me wonder about the inexplicable sexual thoughts that pass through people's minds. Are we all innocent? What is innocence in the first place?
This version has a certain "je ne sais quoi" to it, a little more finesse, where as TheHansoms was a little more "rough round the edges".
This translation is looking at it more from a Freud position, renowned for his his psycho-sexual theories and sexual desire motivated human life.
HeHe!!! You been to Great Yarmouth? You can purchase a whole range of "all I got was this lousy Tshirt" for a variety of reasons! It is know as Great British tack
Sure, Sean Connery is a brilliant actor but I doubt the ability of a Scotsman to entirely lose his accent in favour of a Kurdish one! But I expect it will be an interesting film.
Plans to erect a statue of Mahatma Gandhi in the city centre of Leicester has run into trouble, with a section of the population favouring soccer icon and local hero Gary Lineker to be honoured instead.
As much as I admired Gandhi, he has nothing to do with Leicester or Britain for that matter, personally I think they should have a statue of Gary Lineker who was one of Britains most famous footballer, notably for never being booked or even cautioned in his career.
'Gandhi is a historical figure connected to India. He has no connection to English culture or the English, therefore a statue of him would be more suitably erected in India. This would be yet another symbol of segregation in Leicester and it would be something else for the Asian community. We have local heroes here, Lineker or the writer, Joe Orton,' Ingram said.
Leicester has a high Asian population and is predicted to be Britain's first white-minority city in 12 years.
Just more proof that Britain is going totally bonkers!
Joe Orton was a brilliant writer but I hardly think his antics at the library set a good example to today's children .
Gandhi, a great human being. Perhaps his statue would remind people that peaceful protests can be effective. I understand what you are saying about this Libra - the legacy of good old British Colonialism :-S
Lineker would be my choice. A good modern role model for self control and behaviour.
Apart from Lineker, the only other good thing about Leicester is the Cheese!
Going through the photos today, I see that Slavica wonderful photos are still on the site! Thanks Slavica for allowing that and thanks Admin for not deleting them. I hope they are able to remain on here.
I got one once, telling me I had one €2.5m on the lottery. Knowing it was a scam I thought I would play along. So I started the ball rolling and just wondered how long it would be before they asked for money. Three emails later, they wanted me to send €20 so that I could claim my money! That is when I forwarded all the emails to the Lottery Fraud department hehe
Plans to erect a statue of Mahatma Gandhi in the city centre of Leicester has run into trouble, with a section of the population favouring soccer icon and local hero Gary Lineker to be honoured instead.
As much as I admired Gandhi, he has nothing to do with Leicester or Britain for that matter, personally I think they should have a statue of Gary Lineker who was one of Britains most famous footballer, notably for never being booked or even cautioned in his career.
'Gandhi is a historical figure connected to India. He has no connection to English culture or the English, therefore a statue of him would be more suitably erected in India. This would be yet another symbol of segregation in Leicester and it would be something else for the Asian community. We have local heroes here, Lineker or the writer, Joe Orton,' Ingram said.
Leicester has a high Asian population and is predicted to be Britain's first white-minority city in 12 years.
Just more proof that Britain is going totally bonkers!
I enjoyed my very short visit to Ankara when our flight was full and we were delayed 22 hours, in August. We went to the old part, which is quite pretty. Like any city there is always the nice parts and the not so nice parts.
Well I think I need a lie down now after reading all this! Hope you are all at peace with one another now that you have gone thorugh therapy in such a deep and meaningful fashion! 26 pages from one poem - Handsom you win the Golden Globe for the longest thread in March
Haha! I've been offline for 4 days and just finished reading my way throught the entire thread!! War and Peace anyone?
Well I think I need a lie down now after reading all this! Hope you are all at peace with one another now that you have gone thorugh therapy in such a deep and meaningful fashion! 26 pages from one poem - Handsom you win the Golden Globe for the longest thread in March
Kulagimin tozunda bir agustosböcegi Ask
-Erkekler giyinmek için giyinir
Kadinlar da soyunmak için-
Öyleyse kadinlarin arzulari üzre
Ben bütün kadinlari anadan dogma
görüyorum...
Apisaramda yeni dogmus bir kedi
Hiçdurma yaliyor erkekligimi
Nabzim sakaklarimda atiyor
Bir yaz yagmuru basliyor
Kan degil akçil bir dem bosaliyor
kamisimdan
Agustosböcekleri hâlâ ötüyor
Simdi biraz islaklar
====================================
EROTIC LIKE
A cicada on my ear, love
-Men get dressed to be dressed
and women get dressed to be naked-
Therefore, because of their desire,
I see all women stark-naked
A new born little kitten on my lap
Licking my manhood repeatedly
My pulse is throbbing on my temple
Then, a summer rain is starting
Not blood, a silvery drop, out of my pecker, is emerging .
Cicadas are still singing
They are just a bit soaked now.
My try..
ps..I was merely trying to translate this poem..sorry is if it is offensive..
Where an earth did you find this? It is quite hilarious! The cat thing I mean, I have two cats and they licking their own (well if they had any!) balls...............
Geeeeeez, you guys are cracking me up! What's teh big freaking deal in "publicizing" a request for deletion! It's something that would be known to everyone anyway!
It is the fact that you have publicised something that I for one would regard as a private matter. Meaning PM's to Admin or anyone else, are just that, private.
For me, this means if you have a problem that you want to let Admin know about, how do we know that it will remain private? Can we be reassured?
If someone wants to publicise that THEY want to be deleted that is one thing, but for someone else to do it - unless of course this is a publicity stunt just to guage someones popularity!
I had my nails taken off, the first time in 3 years. I can't imagine how cats feel being declawed.
Why would you have your nails taken off? I guess you mean your false nails! I tried them once and I could not wait for them to come off! The most horrible feeling not having control over my keyboard
Sadly, Aenigma requested to be deleted... Obviously, I don't know her reasons for it, but it makes me very sad that she wants to do that . I'm sure there are many more people who feel the way I do... maybe we could convince her to stay?
And that would be for the.................. how many times now? Sadly several people have left and I guess they always have their reasons.
Modified:
Is it also not private what people ask for when writing to Admin or whoever when requesting to be deleted? If this was me, you would have just done the opposite.
A student from Ohio disliked his principal so much he made up a Myspace page for him, complete with picture and his profile portreying him as a child molester. It described his "special interests" as (amongst others) was "jacking off in my office".
The pupils handwork was discovered and he was prompty expelled.
You can imagine the suprise (or not!) when a lawsuit landed on the desk of the local authority, from the parents of the pupil claiming their "snowflake" of a child was being denied his freedom of speech. Disrespecting teachers outside school hours was a tradition and that their son should be reinstated promptly!
Oh dear, LL, everyone in England will have to brace themselves for their home insurance rates to skyrocket now!!
I had an experience a few years about with all the hurricanes in the Gulf Coast region...my home insurance doubled even though none of them hit anywhere near me....I just live in the region!!
For insurance purposes we have what is called a "Postcode Lottery" meaning that if you live in high risk areas then you pay more, at the moment just flood (natural disasters) but also where there is high theft, but I am sure they will come up with an earthquake postcode lottery!
Islam prohibits alcoholic beverages and frowns on smoking.
Given that Turks' national drink, raki, is usually served with a second glass for water, Erdogan argued it will be particularly tricky for Turks to smoke outside as the law dictates: "You cannot go out with two glasses in one hand and a cigarette in another. This will interrupt conversations and spoil your night," he said
http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/02/13/europe/OUKWD-UK-TURKEY-CIGARETTES.php
who is the most interesting person you ever met?
what is the most spontaneous thing you've you ever done?
who's had the biggest influence on your life?
what is the best quality you've inherited from either of your parents?
lies you tell to bolsters for your self esteem?
face saving lies you have told?
your views about Donald Duck comics were banned from Finland because he doesn't wear pants.
our fantasies are about money ... than sex. is it true for you?
your views about why tigers have striped skin, not just striped fur.
The most common name in the world is Mohammed. hmmm..
why is the strongest muscle in the body is the tongue?
why women blink nearly twice as much as men?
If Michael Jordan makes more money annually from Nike than the all factory workers from Malaysia combined, than where is the justice in this world..eh?
any idea where the phrase "goodnight, sleep tight" coming from?
(naughty ones)
Is masturbation really bad for your health?
do you really believe that masturbation is only for people who can’t find a partner?
can masturbation cause kidney failure?
They say that about 120 million sexual intercourse taking place all over the world everyday..why is this figure soo low..eh?
your ideas about formicophilia?
any girls suffering from ithyphallophobia (fear of seeing, thinking about or having an erect penis)?
Is this god's punishment?: 85% of men who die of heart attacks during intercourse, are found to have been cheating on their wives.
Since pigs are a no no for muslims then why did god made pig’s orgasm lasts for 30 minutes as if giving them an extra gift?
why some testicles hang lower than the other one? eh?
relation between headaches and endorphins?
You have too much spare time on your hands!
I did write answers to all the above, but I lost the lot :-S
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080229/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_turkey If it is true, there will be questions of course:
-is PKK finished now?
-is withdrawing related to usa's demand? (I thought , one of the objective was to tell usa 'we could do it despite their opposition)
-are we closer to 'the solution' now?
I spotted a headline, albeit rather small, in one of our papers (I have looked through all of them today - don't ask!) and it said "Turkey will not bow to US pressure", with about 3 sentances about not withdrawing.
Islam prohibits alcoholic beverages and frowns on smoking.
Given that Turks' national drink, raki, is usually served with a second glass for water, Erdogan argued it will be particularly tricky for Turks to smoke outside as the law dictates: "You cannot go out with two glasses in one hand and a cigarette in another. This will interrupt conversations and spoil your night," he said
http://www.iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/02/13/europe/OUKWD-UK-TURKEY-CIGARETTES.php
This morning I went to the clinic to have my other eye lasered and low and behold, once again the procedure did not or would not work. I have come away from there feeling very fed up and a little sad.
Although I am very happy with the results of the eye that has been successful, I wish I had not had it done, because of all the messing about.
I now have to go back again, and have a different treatment, which means I will need time off work while the sight restores as the eye heals.
They have never known this to happen before and they said I am unique (well I could have told them that! )
I like how this thread have developed! and talking of eyes I have my other one lasered tomorrow - so almost perfect vision (except for age related short sightedness)
In some ways you are in a more dangerous situation seeing as in your area earthquakes are not expected, they are not considered in building or general emergency preparedness.
But alameda,
They dont need to be ready because UK is not on the fault!!
The problem is, they had an earthquake anyway. It makes me realize they really know about all the faults.
There was an earthquake in New York about 15 years ago, but they didn't know they were near a fault. Sometimes they are dormant for years.
"According to experts, an old fault zone that could have remained dormant for hundreds of millions years could be to blame for the latest earthquake. "
Given the fact that earthquake prediction is not an exact science, being prepared would seem to be a good idea.
I notice the link you have added about the cost of the earthquake. People are coming out in their droves to claim from their home insurance for "damage", when really a few chimneys and roofs were damaged. I saw a headline in London today "Earthquake Rocks London" - how about that for senstionalism!
I know someone who sold a bag of odd socks on UK Ebay and then got emails from people who wondered if they had any photos of themselves in the odd socks! Only can say ODD PEOPLE!
I was woken at about 1:00am this morning, my house was shaking, the windows were rattling and wondered what the heck was happening!
Turns out there was an earthquake measuring 5.2 with the centre around 90km as the crow flies from where I live. The biggest one in the UK for 25 years. It said on the news that it only lasted for about 10 seconds, but it seemed to go on for a minute or so.
Apparently we get a lot of tremors but on about 1/8th of them can be felt.
for every 10 km, the measure drops 0.2 in scale. So if you are 90 kms away, you should reduce it by 9x0.2=1.8 to 3.4 and that means it should measure 3.4 if you were in the center. That's a very small one.
Compare it to the one we had in 1999. It was measured 7.4 and I was 70 kms away. So we had something like 6.0 in Istanbul. It was 45 seconds but it was like it took ages. We survived that one. But those around center were not lucky then. Many people died (~4000.
And we are expecting another one anytime soon centered around Istanbul measuring above 7.0 (some expects ~7.5). Can we survive it this time. I'm not sure. Many people will die, unfortunately.
We must be closer then as it was 4.7 in my area. Fortunately there is only a small amount of damage to a few houses, nothing like those in Turkey, or Afganistan despite how our media report it! Just thought I would post as a matter of interest cos most people would not expect UK to have earthquakes.
I was woken at about 1:00am this morning, my house was shaking, the windows were rattling and wondered what the heck was happening!
Turns out there was an earthquake measuring 5.2 with the centre around 90km as the crow flies from where I live. The biggest one in the UK for 25 years. It said on the news that it only lasted for about 10 seconds, but it seemed to go on for a minute or so.
Apparently we get a lot of tremors but on about 1/8th of them can be felt.
Actually it was yesterday, a rather disturbing documentary about Iranian transexuals, waiting for gender reassignment. As transexuals they could not dress as woman without permission from a government official, and as women they were rejected by their families. The strange thing is that gender reassignment in Iran is second highest in the world after Thailand.
I think the saddest thing was that all of them regretted it. They would rather have stayed transexuals and tried to get away with wearing womens clothes. But transvestites are usually hanged if caught, the same as homosexuals. So the motive to have the operation is high.
One of those interviewed now was on the "game" and to allow sex for money with every "client" she had a temporary marriage for a couple of hours. The most disturbing part was one of the gender reassigned had a boy friend who new about the reassignment and that he was not with a "proper" woman! and her mother wanted them to marry, the only reassigned to remain with and be accepted by the family, only perhaps there appeared to be no father about.
I found the whole programme very sad, and it clearly highlighted the oppression of women (there you are Cat a feminist remark from me!) in Iran and the strong desire by many of the younger generation for change.
Ok, so at uni we have a fancy dress themed night every week, the next being 'night at the movies'. After many rubbish ideas being put on the table my friend and I have decided that we shall go as Ents (the tree people) from LOTR. We went out and got some tree braches today to stick up above our heads, brown masking tape all round our legs and body, and green eyeliner to draw leaves all over our arms!! sound like a good idea? anything else we could add do u think??
bjkx
Obviously a bit late, but how about a few strategically placed berries?
If all the smokers stopped smoking, the loss of taxes would be monumental....all smokers should stop for a little while to deprive them of the taxes...then what?
Ok .. probably a stupid question but I am going to ask it anyway. I am a british citizen with permanent resident status in the usa. I will be travelling to turkey on a british passport .. do I have to do anything special to get the visitors visa when I land at Istanbul march 9th? or will they send me home?
You buy your visa at the airport..
Dont worry..they wont send you back..
they won't question a southern american accent and a british passport?
1) Dont speak
2) hand passport
3) hand crisp (very crips) new £10 note
4) smile (see if they respond
)
5) Me very very very very jealous
eeeeermmmmm .. #4 if I smile .. what will happen? will they put me on a plane without my visa?
My plan to see if they still have a stone face or if they manage a little smile back
I couldn't log in in this website for more than 3 months and was thinking I'm missing some friends but actually there were no friends except one who called here: (kuskefesteki)the other never missed me or even sent a single PM through all that time. I'm recovered from a serious problem and sickness but this is life, may some people always show thier faces in words while little of them showing that in action... thank you (Kuskefesteki)
I am so sorry you have been ill and I hope you are better know. I was only wondering this morning, know one knows why anyone disappears from this site with out a word, and I am pleased you are back.
Ok .. probably a stupid question but I am going to ask it anyway. I am a british citizen with permanent resident status in the usa. I will be travelling to turkey on a british passport .. do I have to do anything special to get the visitors visa when I land at Istanbul march 9th? or will they send me home?
You buy your visa at the airport..
Dont worry..they wont send you back..
they won't question a southern american accent and a british passport?
1) Dont speak
2) hand passport
3) hand crisp (very crips) new £10 note
4) smile (see if they respond
)
5) Me very very very very jealous
Seems like a bit of a picture war going on! Who can upload the most sensitive, or offensive or funniest, or most stupid, etc etc etc etc etc..................... be brave and post one of yourself
we are far behind you, libra we are not as smart and brave as you, oh, our dear successful businesswoman!
im glad you dont join us, you cant go beneath your proud position. and of course you cant be as stupid as us
No I really can't be arsed! I am also pleased not to join you preferring to be an individual One reason why I don't spend so much time here as the rest of you
Ouh thanks for this topic LL I am interested to know how soon you see the effects. I have not had to wear glasses (yet ) but notice I am becoming a bit long sighted - does it work for that? Does it hurt? Keep us posted!!
Effects are noticed more or less straigh away, all baring the blurring from drops etc and eye not liking bing poked about with.
Did not hurt, just a sensation of pressure and temporary blindness (the worst bit, when it all goes black:-S )whilst the treatment was taking place.
And I was under the impression that it was short sightedness that is age related, as I was always longsighted with an astimatism.
Just a bit awkward that I have one good eye and one not so good eye at the moment, which is making reading and using the PC a bit awkward.
Just one word of warning, take no notice of these adverts, From £395........... then there is the surgeon, the theatre fee, etc etc
I went to the dogs bollocks of eyes hospitals, Moorfields! I did not want to take risks! If I had gone to a advertised clinic then I might be in a different position as I am sure they would have carried on with my second eye, when this surgeon stopped.
Seems like a bit of a picture war going on! Who can upload the most sensitive, or offensive or funniest, or most stupid, etc etc etc etc etc..................... be brave and post one of yourself
TRAFFIC PARALYZED
Heavy snowfall and cold weather paralyzed the daily life and the traffic across the country on Sunday and Monday. Snowfall closed schools in several provinces. It also blocked roads to thousands of villages. On the other hand, snowfall left a great portion of Istanbul without electricity. 2,049 personnel with 1,154 vehicles exerted efforts to open roads to traffic. 159 homeless people were taken to Alibeykoy sports hall. Municipality authorities said homeless people could stay there until weather conditions became normal. On the other hand, meteorology officials said cold weather would keep affecting several provinces till midweek.
why so many "on the other hand"s in this paragraph? It doesn't make sense!
We generally only use "on the other hand" as a figure of speech when it is opposite to what was being said, which in this case it is all about the same cold weather. So you are right , but to someone whose first language is English, it still makes sense.
Whats bugging me today is that I have a physics exam this week and I can't seem to get myself focused on it! I keep on finding a million other things to do instead of revise...(like this)
Anyone any good at physics?! I help serious help I think
Have never had this done, but always thought of laser surgery to correct my vision. But hearing stories like yours scare me. What if I come out blind... What if I get the D doctor instead of the A doctor, that would be my like luck.
I hope everything goes well with you..or your new username maybe patchlady.
You get the Surgeon you pay for - all the way through! And I have no patch! I just have odd eyes for now - one has no astigmatism or longsightedness and the other does!
a peace train show where she declared a goodbye to TC, but still here having an excuse of not being deleted and posting craps only about me and aenigma. what if she never gets deleted? will she stay here even after she has said GOODBYE to all of us? why doesnt she hold her words?
or is she just being a dramma queen seeking an attention from the audience? maybe shes waiting for more 'please, dont leave' except daydreamers?
anyway, shes still babbling in her own foolishness.
I completely agree that NOT saying "good bye" is a MUCH better way to have people cry for you and beg you to come back! This must be the great, nauseating femmalic wisdom!
Dear Catwoman
I have been waiting 2 days now. I even sent you a pm. I even asked FF to put in a bad word for me. I even suggested I pm CGG so they can press the spam button. I am desparate to be saved from the dubious honour of joining the 5000 post club. I want my life back please catwoman please catwoman i wanna go to rehab and I say yeah yeah yeah I wanna live catwoman please catwoman . . . . . catwoma? Are you there Catwoman? CATWOMA N? . . . ..
Femme . . . .I've been waiting for two days now . . . . . . .
Oh I should have put that last bit in a separate pm, then it would count double.
Is there a "post one get one free" scheme by any chance, or 5 for the price of 1? Please . . . I don't have long left . . . . SOMEBODY HELP ME!!!!!!!!!
I sense a little Amy Winehouse in here and Tesco vs Morrisons
Yesterday I went to an eye clinic to have laser treatment to correct my astigmtism and longsightedness. And things did not quite go according to plan.
The surgeon corrected one eye - ok wierd sensation, and it only took a matter of seconds, 17 to be precise. But then came the turn of second eye and it would not play ball.
It had reacted to the other one being meddled with and swelled so that the procedure could not be carried out.
Now I have to go back in just over a week to have the other one done.
Therefore, please forgive my spelling mistakes as my sight is a little wobbly at the moment.
It is very sad I don't think Cuba will ever be the same again. Castro was a good leader and proved that communism CAN work in the right envionment - it was a great tribute to Che Guavara. I give it 5 years before we see it corrupted by the US again - drugs, prostitution, McDonalds on every corner
In some respects I agree but others I don't. Yes, as schooling and medical systems are second to none. But Cuba is a country bathed in poverty where a waiter can earn as much money as a physician. They still have to queue for basic food and still have ration books. The buidings are crumbling and drugs are rife as is prostitution. Where the poor hunt street cats for a decent meal.
Cuba has a repressive regime, Cuban's can not leave their country unless they are on tour with music or acrobat or part of a circus shows. The tour guides are monitored for what they say to their guests. Sadly many children of the rich and successful were sent to Florida when Castor came to power in 1959, never to see their families again.
But also, I do not agree that America should get their hands on Cuba, but a democratic government now be sought, not replace Castro with Rafael. But we all know why Cuba is so interesting to America - it has oil, suprisingly enough.
One word on Che, he did a lot of good work for lepers and was one of the first Doctors to actually touch a leper.
She reminds me of the women who had most of her ribs removed to make herself have a twelve inch waist. Sorry Aenigma but not something that I would hang on my wall!
31 years later and Valentines days, is........................
1) make breakfast (for myself yes I have grown selfish)
2) Get ready for work
3) Go to work
4)Wait for post at work - waiting a long time...............
5) Work
6) Come home from work
7) Search for at least 30 seconds for any stray valentines cards, or a sneaking "little" bunch of flowers or even a rogue chocolate
8) Have a rest from the searching
9) Make dinner (for both - I'm not that mean!)
1 How was your day? Got any suprises? No? (Uhmm wonder what happened to the card I forgot to buy )
life goes on............................. until the next year
Wonderful! I love this guy. Some of our "English bedwetters" on this site could do with watching this....
Be interested to know who the "bedwetters" are!
But it seems to escape many peoples attention that the UK is a Christian nation (even an old demented Archibishop who reads the bible, breakfast, lunch and dinner oh and of course bedtime...........) and I am sure that if we went to Saudia Arabia and wanted to push our Christian values / liberalism / equality etc upon them, then we would soon be missing limbs or even worse, in a box!
There is a saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do" and I am a great believer in that!
Too many to mention and I don't want to make anyone jealous and being Librian, we don't like to rock the boat, we like equilibrium, peace and harmony - so love to everyone
It just shows how boring TC has become when catwoman digs up those old threads.
Joey, why don't you share what you wear under your kilt instead? Let's make TC a bit more fun, so you have a reason to come back...
Maybe you should ask libralady that question, she claimed in another thread to have visual evidence.
Please make it clear it is not YOU I have visual evidence of but it was at a Scottish wedding and the bestman was very proud of what he had under his kilt and his friends were very keen to show every one too!
I remember doubting God from a very young age. What proof was there? Was there some strange old man sitting in the clouds, showering good upon those that deserved it? Over the years my doubt grew and I questioned even more. There are more questions remain unexplained about God than ever answered.
I am also quite synical about those who profess to be religious or regularly attend church but by their actions and words they are some of the most hypocritical people known. For instance, take the priests who abuse young boys placed in their trust. What about those who profess to be Christian but would walk past an injured or sick person in the street?
Then you have the major disasters, how could a God let this happen, why did he not protect the innocent victims? Why did so many people lose not just one relative but many? How can a person who has lost 22 members of his family believe in God?
As for how the earth was created, if you believe in God, then it was He who created it, even though science proves that the world has been here for billions of years. For example, Jehovah Witnesses only believe in (AD) after Christ and don't believe in dinnosaurs when clearly they existed. Adam and Eve, impossible!
My mother is very religious and so was my Grandmother, regularly going to Church, my grandmother played the church organ. I was forced to go to church, but I was not happy and soon stopped, preferring to go fishing. I used to look around the church and wonder if God was sitting in the roof, watching me. I used to think, if there is a God make me fall of my bike on the way home. I never did!
These are just my opinions and my reasons for not believing in a God.
I havent got time to read everything, so maybe someone already mentioned it, but AlphaF, it is true that your friend says there is difference between the mental and physical readiness for sex.
However, this is nowadays.. In older times, girls were considered old enough to marry when they were between 12-14, and expected to start making children. Its not for nothing that most girls start their periods around 12-15 years old. So a divine plan or not, the god forgot to change these periods according to current standards
My time is short too! But it was in the paper last week that girls of 9 are reaching puberty, so where does that fit into the divine plan?
I hate starting a sentance with 'In the UK' but .............. in the UK the women who are most likely to have a tattoo also:
Live in housing association accomodation Have four children by four different fathers Are obese Are on benefits (any they can get!) Show off their 'lovely ' tattoos, espcially the ones on their bellies, their big fat bellies They don't just have one, they have 10, or 15 or are covered!
Well actually there WAS requests for Femme to leave in a thread!!! That is the only reason I mentioned it!
I am just a little bored of the over-reaction every time Femme's name is mentioned! Like 'poor Libralady' I do try to leave you well alone, but you enjoy replying to my posts and having a 'pop' at me and I think you would miss me if I went!
I am also a little bit bored of constantly defending myself!
so iyi geceler and thanks for the lecture teacher
Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whats with the 'poor Libralady' ???????????? (yes I know is is the 29th Jan and I am three days late reading this but I have been busy)
If everyone in the UK who critised / insulted (not much difference in my opinion depending on how it is said or what is said) our Royal family or our Prime Minister (or past Prime Ministers) was sent to jail, then there would be hardly one walking our streets, the jails would be full.
I saw a small article about this in the Independent this morning, prison is a bit on the harsh side I would say!
Unfortunatley, I was a victim of groping on a bus here. The guy stood behind me very close and well say no more.... you can guess the rest. It was horrid and in no way was I too blame - I know that. It also happened to another friend of mine here who was physically touched up in front of her children. Disgusting.
The problem I have is this, I am against physical violence and I know that if I call out on the bus "Defol Git - beni dokunma" the man may possibly get beaten up by other guys on the bus. I wouldn't wish to encourage violence against anyone, at the same time I do not wish to be violated - what does one do ??? It is horrible and difficult.
I think it happens fairly often here.
Step back onto his foot, and grind your heel in as hard as you can! Or accidentally hit him in the groin with a good swing of your handbag!
well... Libralady. i do not envy you. and i would like you to stay on this site. of course i am not admin here. but i am sure he would not mind either. i like you, your posts, as i like many posts and, eventually all members. even those who cannot refrain... at least i try to...
why did this fight start?
you are not that childish, no?
i would never fight with Delidolu.
for me, she is a lovely young Lady.
Leaving? No, and most of the above was just some good humoured banter!
And where did my post go of the Turkish man getting out of his car, while it was still moving, opening the garage door and then jumping back in, as it hit the wall???
auch..
I was told off tonight!! so I am putting 200 pounds to libralady.
just out of interest, is there a way of 'secret betting' btw?
I think Suis mentioned Libralady to be the favourite so most money will be on her. If I were you I would put your money on AEnigma then have a quiet word with Suis and Libralady to ensure Libralady throws the bout, that way you'll be quids in
Sure I can throw a bout, if large sums of money changes hands, as for fitness, I am in training for my next 10k and will be skiing next week.............. not wishing to brag about my physical prowess for a woman of my age, of course good job I am not younger otherwise there would be no relent!
Elisabeth, waiting for your next report - what gems they were!
As the bell rings, its AEnigma...She comes out swinging...and Libra won't give an inch...these ladies are battling it out...the crowd roars... Peace train is screaming, trying to hand Libra some lemons...as AEnigma senses foul play, she picks up Alpha and hurls him in Libra's direction...Libra is undetered but obviously shaken by AlphaFs 'peanut' insult. She grabs a handful of handsom hair and tosses it at AEnigma...she is blinded....there is hair everywhere...it's absolute pandamonia!!!
is this american wrestling or boxing?
It's TC...Not American, Turkish, English ect....it is purely TC
But but why i am not in the fight then ?
Ciko you can be my corner boy and hand me water and towel p.s if you don't know me I am the older but fitter one, who does not smoke
A great idea for a thread Elizabeth. I'm sure Admin is very proud of the site which, from what I've read, has evolved a great deal since it's establishment.
You are right about the topics and the rules too. I've even asked if they can be tweaked a little to keep everyone happy. Healthy discussions about current affairs does no harm at all.
Peace Train your posts always leave me cold! The tone of your posts is so santimonious and self-satisfied that I find myself encouraged to behave like a naughty child to your prim, humourless 'teacher' role.
I realise that you are a very 'worthy' member here with a great interest in Turkey and that I am probably in the minority with my opinion but.........HELL!
For my own sanity I am off to have fun elsewhere
I really did not want to reply to this, but why do you 'jump' down peoples throats so easily? Just because someone does not express themselves in the same fashion as you, with lots of 'insincere' smilies and bunches of flowers, why is that wrong? Cannot anyone write their feelings here without your approval? If Peacetrains post is sanctomonious then what is Elisabeths? You don't say.
And I am worth $4225 dead! Strange they don't ask your shoe size :-S they ask everything else! I was a little upset when I put my age in and the marker hardly moved
As you can see, in Ireland for example, you will be able to watch tons of Turkish language TV channels if you align your dish to that satellite. The closer to the center, the smaller the dish and vice versa. If you are in the hot spot a 60cms dish would be enough whereas if you are close to the limits of the transmission area a larger antenna will be required.
Assuming you are in England, you can also get Turkish TV on Hotbird too. Hotbird area]
You would I think, need to get sensible advice, from a Satellite Installer, not Sky.
Look here http://www.cai.org.uk/asp/installer.asp for domestic installers
Unfortunately, the idea of paying high taxes for everyone to have healthcare in the US is not one that most American people can be convinced is a good one. Every American wants better healthcare BUT very few are willing to pay for it.
But your taxes are not that high? Most people here pay 22% or if you earn over £33k it is 40% plus national insurance (on our wages).
So you could work one week, quit your job and have health insurance? Also, I'm curious what does a single employee pay on monthly basis into national insurance in UK? Is it the same for everyone or based on your salary and family size?
Teas - you must get the word "insurance" out of your head. EVERYBODY is entitled to the same heathcare - from birth. You do not have to take ANY documents, certificates or evidence to the hospital with you and you don't have to claim anything back - there is NOTHING TO PAY.
National Insurance is a type of tax. It also covers other things like dental care and a state pension (most people have a private pension as well - you can have both).
Benefits that depend on NIC contributions
Your entitlement to the following benefits and/or the amount you can get will depend on your (or in some cases your spouse or civil partner's)
NIC contributions also cover:-
Contribution based Jobseeker's Allowance
Incapacity Benefit (if you can't work for long periods due to illness or injury)
State Pension
Widowed Parents' Allowance
Bereavement Allowance
Bereavement Payment
People who work pay tax and national insurance. Tax pays for things like the central government, local government, and the those things that are taken for granted like refuse collections, street cleaning, police, fire service, education etc etc
National Insurance pays for health care and social security payments, pensions and child benefit. (As listed by Aenigma)
If you have not worked, or you are out of work you are still entitled to social security benefits and health care but your pension will be or could be affected if you have not paid enough insurance.
We also have the options to pay private health care, private education, private pension but we still have to pay national insurance. If you have private pensions you still get your state pension (paid for by natioanl insurance)
This national insurance is not like the health insurance you pay. Our national insurance is I think around 8% or 9% of our non-taxable income, therefore the more you earn the more you pay.
Catwoman, How can you get it so dreadfully wrong? Your psycho-analysis classes are failing you. Don't you see you have got it wrong, so wrong! You are missing the similarities, the feeble attempt at being funny, the copycat post - a little list, a few dots, and bit more a list............................. he is not married to me, he is married Aenigma!
p.s. what is go fish? Am I missing something exciting?
Today is supposed to be the most depressing day of the year (in the UK) because:
1) Christmas and New Year is over (and been a let down for some)
2) The credit card bills start arriving today and many people have over spent at Christmas
3) The weather is horrible, dark mornings and dark nights, raining, grey
4) And those people who suffer from SAD are feeling at their most depressed (SAD = Seasonal Adjustive Disorder)
5) and finally it is Monday..............
and so the experts tell us, we are at our worst today
so how do you feel?
Me? I feel less happy than normal, mostly to do with the miserable weather I need sunshine
Poor old Bobby, boring chess player who denounced his US citizenship (not that well publicised at the time of 9/11) dies and suddenly he is a hero who was in great need of a shave!
Sorry to avid chess players, but chess it one of the most senseless, boring games ever thought of - ranks somewhere with monopoly for me! How can anyone sit for that long?
A nice memory for me, in Istanbul, is sitting at a little Kebab cafe, by the Galata bridge, eating a 2YTL chicken doner kebab, drinking Nescafe (yuk!!) and watching the hustle and bustle! Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In my opinion, sport is one place that relgion should not encroach into. There has always been rules in sport, and for a very good reason. It is where the phrase "level playing field" comes from. Everyone, who partipates in a particular sport are equal, despite colour, race or creed.
When I used to compete as teenager, we had rules on clothing, some we did not like, one because the clothes were horrible, and two they were expensive for the parents. But if we wanted to compete for our school then we did as we were asked.
To me this is no different, and if this girl wants to compete then she should respect the rules.
Why not, Oprah endorsed him and just look at his successful 2 year track record..
Hillary? God help us.....
Tell us what they stand for, hopefully nothing like Bush - waiting....................
Obama, has no experience with foreign policy. He has even agreed to pulling men out of Iraq and invading Iran and going into Pakistan. Just what we need, two more countries to invade.
Hillary, she is just plain evil. She wants to socialize healthcare, brilliant but costly. Who the hell do you think is going to pay for it. You got it, the tax payers.. She has done absoultely nothing as a Senator for New York but wants to be our President. Not to mention her flip flop on many issues, including the Iraq war.
Ron Paul, I agree with most of his views except his stance on the UN and War Reparations..
My Pick McCain...
Experienced with Foreign Policy and National Security..Has been an active member of the Armed Services Committee since 1987. Experienced with Military Affairs..The only Republican I'm aware that has consistently supported cutting taxes and decreasing spending and has record of actually doing both. On the issues McCain is conservative but not so much to alienate moderates and independents.
Actually your healthcare system could do with an overhaul, being the worst in the western world!
Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn
Remember how she said that
we would meet again some sunny day
Vera, vera, what has become of you
Does anybody else in here
Feel the way I do
P. Floyd
Hatırlayan var mı Vera Lynn'i
Hani güneşli bir günde
Tekrar buluşacağız dediydi
Vera! Vera!
Sana neler oldu
Kimse bilmez mi buralarda
benim hissetiklerimi?
No, not a very interesting site, he is useless, he didn't even know what colour top I was wearing, he would tell me later, if there was a God, he would tell me when I am old enough and when I asked if the world was round, he said he would not answer that!!
I hate to be a thread spoiler, but has anyone concidered that neither the woman or the man have the right to decide whether a child lives or dies. You are casually speaking of the blantant disregard for the sanctity of human life. Who has more of a right to end a human life?
I have spent a lot of time working on the other side of this issue (Pro Life) and you are wrong if you think many women don't regret it and that it is a big problem. It seems the woman in the famous Roe V. Wade case does herself. I don't have any fancy statistics to to back me up but I have known many women personally who deeply regret their decision. That's not to say that a vast majority have an abortion and then feel releaved but you shouldn't discount the ones who do as a small statistic.
So where do you stand on these issues?
To carry on with a pregnancy the women puts her life in danger
The child will be a severly brain damaged or disabled and dependent for the rest of its "life"
The child is a product of rape
The child is a product of insest
Contratulations Peace Train on the most pompous, misinformed, self-rightous post ever!
Quoting peace train:
I know the content is of great interest to you, but you know that it does not have a place on this particular site. This site is related to Turkey and, at the very least, your post should have mentioned something about the subject in the context of Turkish Culture/politics. But then, political discussion is also not supposed to be a topic for discussion on this site either (although we are all guilty of getting dragged into it at some time or other).
If I understand the intentions of the site owners/moderators correctly, the “General/Off Topic†Forum still has to relate to Turkey in some way....Of course you have the right to reply to me but you have no argument, as far as I am concerned, with the rules of the site so I shall not be participating in this thread any further. I have said all I want to say.
I think Peace Train is entitled to write her thoughts here, just the same as anyone else. I see the sun is out again!
I learnt French and Spanish at school and have since taken evening classes in both languages, but without practice, it is difficult to keep up.
When I recently went to Brussels, I was quite pleased with the amount of French I understood. I was in a meeting conducted entirely in French, and I was able to answer questions and talk about myself. Most of my Spanish I have lost or I think I have .
Then for some reason I decided to learn Turkish and really that has been a disaster!! I don't really have the time to devote or chance to try out as every Turkish person I know speaks or writes very good English!!
As for being cultured because you know languages, for me culture is more about theatre, social aspects, traditions, rites and rituals, literature and language is only a small part of being cultured.
Interesting topic Catwoman and I guess this article is referring universally? Or just in the USA?
Where has the research been done?
Between a married couple, the decision of abortion should be a joint one, based on circumstance or medical reasons. It takes two people to begin a child and that child will belong to both partners. In my opinion the circumstances change if the couple are not married, but still it should be a joint decision if the relationship is solid, and more or less based on the same reasons as being married. Now when it comes down to a more casual relationship, it should be the woman’s choice. But the trouble with some societies today, abortion is being used as a form of contraception and there are girls have several abortions but no sad, forlorn man behind them. The have done it by themselves.
If this article is talking about political stance on abortion or that of religion, then I agree, that abortion should be a personal choice not one of policy makers or religious figures (and yes, generally men who really don’t have a clue). At the same time, there should be rules and laws on abortion and these should be set by medical practitioners with sound medical evidence to back up the policies. Abortion should not be seen as an easy option, but I have firm beliefs that it should be justified by either strong economic or medical reasons.
“Of course men have the right to political opinions. Of course they have the right to grieve, and to define their own experiences. But they don’t get to use their feelings as justification to curb my rights. Because at the end of the day, their co-opting of women’s actual experiences isn’t being used for healing; it’s being used as a tool to promote forced pregnancy. And that, no matter how you slice it, is a tool of oppression.â€
This second part of this statement bothers me, in as much as this woman appears to be advocating abortion as a form of contraception. Why should her rights be curbed, what about the rights of the unborn child that she has chosen to conceive? No-one is forced to get pregnant; there are plenty of methods to stop unwanted pregnancies. I don’t see this as oppression but surely it comes down to responsibility, if in a relationship then a joint responsibility, but as for casual sex, then the individuals responsibility, not only to prevent unwanted pregnancies but also to avoid sexually transmitted diseases.
“But that’s not here nor there, since this article isn’t about women at all — it’s about men. Men whose partners terminated pregnancies, and who now want to tell other women that they can’t make the same choice.â€
Where is the evidence to back up this statement? Who are these people? I mean what is the profession?
Me too. As I don't have time to study American politics, I don't know who would be the best president. All we get in the UK is the battle between Obama and Clinton, the TV news does not report so much on the other two, Edwards and the dynamic one whose name fails me! And when they do report, it is not what their policies are but who is flying the biggest "Change" banner, what the exit polls say.
I get the feeling that these preliminary rounds are more about personality than policies, I bet you would find it difficult to split their policies with a fag paper.
It is quite sickening to watch the campaigning on TV, how glamourous they make it, how the husband or wife stands by their side, hugging and kissing! Or their children, look at us, we are the perfect family etc etc.............. The baby holding, the door knocking, OK so what are their policies????????? (Please tell me, how does Hilary get her hair to stay in place so prefectly?)
I am a bit cynical because the USA has such a big effect on the UK, of which most I don't like. To mention a few, war, economy, consumerism, obesity ................
When we went to Oludeniz last summer, my husband found a fantastic little barber! He made three trips there for a shave and pamper which lasted an hour (and just as described in the initial post). His wife made jewellery and his daughter did manicures and pedicures.
They were fantistic couple, they had been married for over forty years and loved living and working in Oludeniz. He had customers (holiday makers) coming back year after year. They are those people you meet that you never forget.
For all you that miss Femme, I will try to channel and recreate something she might have said to my post.
She is very toxic and has killed/derailed many otherwise good conversations.
Femme might say, " Boring Badia...you are boring me with your stupid comments."
I wouldn't mind if she never came back, but she probably will. If she cared what people thought of her, as someone had said, she would make some sort of effort not to be rude and at times abusive.
Femme might say," You and your Bazaar education don't know anything. Why don't you just say what you mean like I do. What do I care what you think you bed Amerikan. I would kill myself if you were my friend."
I don't know why they haven't kicked her off the way she talks to some people. This is nothing new I haven't said to her directly.
Femme might say, "Again you are boring... I only talk bed to bed people like you. You are nothing but a bellydancer who doesn't know anything."
I found this interpretation quite amusing and spot on!
HI I am new here and am hoping to work in turkey this summer. Could anyone tell me the best way to find a job in a hotel and when do they take on staff for the summer?
Thanks to anyone who can help
Gemma x
I would say the only way you could get a job in Turkey would be illegally, so why not try a travel company?
i have been arguing with them since i became a member of TC and i have always liked the way they speak up what they think. so i miss them!!! that is all. i dont know you (xxkirsty) and others..i have only known canli, elham, femme, aenigma, catwoman and handsom on this site. and now there are only handsom and catwoman left! so it feels like this site is imcomplete to me. is it clear enough?
You are a strange one Ciko! Sad that you only know two people on this site. You should get out more funny thing is I have been on this site over two years and I don't know you either
I think Sarkosy is more interested in his new girlfriend with the big beetle style sunglasses - don't tell me they are still fashionable!
I don't think, to my knowledge, he has actually said why he does not want Turkey in the EU, but I think he stands pretty much alone in the EU, (except for most Turks)!
Tongue in cheek comment!! Some people think I don't care about feminist issues but they are wrong, just because I am not a feminist myself. But I would not necessarily be looking to read anything by a feminist - Germaine Greer puts me off!
What do you mean you're not a feminist? You think that women are not equal to men? Or that women aren't oppressed around the world? :-S
I agree there are oppressed women around the world, and I also agree with equal rights for men and women, but my view of feminists, is of men hating, bra burning women who prefer to look like men, I was brought up with the idea of feminists in the 60's and 70's and perhaps they are much different now. Maybe my view is narrow, but I don't see myself as a feminist. Does not mean to say I don't agree with the arguments, but sometimes I don't agree with how the arguement is put.
Can't say it is anything I have ever come across, or likely to as I would not particulary be looking for it. But on saying that, I do congratulate the women who have opened the bookshop and I hope it is a success. See I do have some heart for feminists
What do you mean Libralady? Why aren't you particularly looking for anything of this sort? I find it a bit offensive when you assure that you have a heart for feminists. It's like saying that you have a heart for anti-racism. :-S
Tongue in cheek comment!! Some people think I don't care about feminist issues but they are wrong, just because I am not a feminist myself. But I would not necessarily be looking to read anything by a feminist - Germaine Greer puts me off!
Amargi Woman Academy deserve the congratulations, no? What exactly is feminst literature, anyone have any examples?
Maybe catwoman can help you
Can't say it is anything I have ever come across, or likely to as I would not particulary be looking for it. But on saying that, I do congratulate the women who have opened the bookshop and I hope it is a success. See I do have some heart for feminists
I am just looking at this book now on Amazon, Teach Yourself Turkish Book and CD Pack (Teach Yourself Languages),is the CD, the type of CD you can listen to while driving? my friend has a french one, and he listens to it constantly while driving, and has picked up loads,so i was looking for something like that, but i dont want to buy it, if the CD is needed to be listened to while referring to the book, as i already have one like that? thanks
You could listen to it in the car, but it also has exercises on it. It is not just conversational and relates to the book, You really need the book in front of you with the CD. The CD is in the same format as the book, i.e. in chapters. You might be better getting some Turkish music CD's for the car, ones that you can understand the words (or are more likely to understand the words)!!!!
For my own part, I would never read Zaman. If you like what you are reading and don't care about who owns it and what the whole newspaper operation is meant to serve then it is the right newspaper for you...
It seems because of your political view you do not like-or I should say you hate- that newspaper and that is why without looking its content you say you would never read it. (note that Zaman is a highly circulated paper in Turkey. for the last 2 0r 3 weeks it is number one interms of circulation)
As for, supporting government you should also mention the newspapers on the other side which critize EVERYTHING that present government does. So, I would not trust them either.
I am sick of that ideological bigotry and that is why I choose newspapers based on their content. So my favourite ones are Zaman, Taraf, Radikal, and Birgun which are ideologically on opposite sides.
It is the same in the UK (and every nation where there is a choice of newspapers), there are politically biased papers, and politically or religiously biased journalists and reporters. For the same as reason as Vineyards, I choose to read a paper that I consider to be the least biased of all our papers. There are several papers that I would not touch with a barge pole (a very long pole that would propel barges along canals ).
As those who ask about newspapers, and I did this time last year, it is good to know which papers Turks would recommend and for which reasons, then we can make an informed opinion.
I look at the Turkish Daily News most days, what are the opinions on this paper?
This thread has been very enlightening and Alpha, congratulations for remaining a nice guy for two days!
good thread. could be the start of a new game. A sort of non visual charades. Your turn shama_uk .
Yipee! What's my pressie????? I am so not good at this but will try.
Born in the 19th century within the Ottomon Empire. He was a gifted child and for this he was beaten. He left the Middle East for America when almost a teenager where he pursued his dreams and his talents discovered. He is buried in a monastry in the country of his birth. He is said to be one of the most quoted persons at special occassions. Who is he?
Bugger that Dedidolu. I hate you now. Anyway its your turn now
I love KG's stuff. Especially this piece of writing.
Love one another, but make not a bond of love
Let it rather be a moving sea between the shores of your souls.
Fill each other's cup, but drink not from one cup.
Give one another of your bread, but eat not from the same loaf.
Sing and dance together and be joyous,
but let each one of you be alone,
Even as the strings of a lute are alone
though they quiver with the same music.
Give your hearts, but not into each other's keeping;
For only the hand of Life can contain your hearts.
And stand together yet not too near together;
For the pillars of the temple stand apart,
- From The Prophet
Dont think he is big in the UK! Let me know if I am wrong
Why do not you accuse PKK instead of those countries? It seems obvious a set-up of PKK by using the suburb supporters of it. They have registered lawyers that knows the criminal laws very well. And they also know punishment of this crime where been commited in Taksim square was a funny charge. But disgracing Turkey and its nation is an aim for PKK and they are successed for now.
The thing is, how can they (PKK) have disgraced Turkey? Why do you think they have succeeded?? The only way any of us knew it had happend was because we visit this site. It was not in our news (UK), we had enough murders and brawls to contend with! I still think Turkey is a wonderful place.
Now that intrigues me! Tell us more................
A simple check as to who is behind that paper, his views and ambitions, where he is currently being sheltered at will give you a fairly good idea...
Still not sure I get what you mean
missionary = a person who belongs to a religious organisation seeking to carry out charitable works and religious teaching, often combined ....................
is that what you mean by missionary? or would you prefer alternative words to describe those behind a paper?
Such as
propergandist, emissary, crusader ............... there are a few other alternatives, but I think you mean the first one!!!!
Yours sincerely,
nice AlphaF (starting now, for 2 days)
Who would ever has guessed it was Lucille Ball! She was skinny and died years ago! I used to watch her show, in the UK when I was a child and she was funny, but did she ever sing? Not sure...................
these links are Turkish airlines magazine SKYLIFE, both (first) Turkish and (second) English. You can use these links simultaneously for studying Translation. Most of the links contain reviews about must-see places in Turkey, Turkish meals, people and traditions, You also may check airline tickets BY TURKISH AIRLINES with appropriate link on the pageç
This is the best inflight magazine I have ever seen! I like them so much I actually take them home with me. I still have the copy when I last went to Istanbul 2 years ago. I remember Roswitha posting something about these too, I think Skylife won an award??
In the news this week a dead seal was found with a huge bite taken from it. Experts are saying it is the work of a huge shark! I didn't know such huge ones could be found arounf English shores.
Yes, just down the road from me! They took great delight (news readers) in telling everyone that if you were queamish look away - it was dinner time.
The expert on TV last night said that it was unlikely to be a great white which took a chunk out of the seal, which is what the media was saying.
For the last 12 months, I have been following the news in Turkey via Today's Zaman. I also know of The New Anatolian . . . also in english.
Can anyone please give me a run down on the advantages/disadvantages of these newspapers and any others there are? Also, I have been told that I should read a paper written in Turkish if I want to develop my language. Can someone recommend a suitable one?
Thanks in advance
I asked this question a while ago, I got the answer, but then you decide for yourself what happened next.................
To me those who deserve the title Citizen of the Year are those unsung heros, people from obscure backgrounds, that do not necessarily make the headline news, who do tremendous good, go beyond their own boundaries of bravery or achieve something extraordinary.
As I do not know of too Turks to whom this deserving award should go to, I award our "Muleteer" who treked with us in the Kackar Mountains, with his mule. Yes he was paid for his time, but what a nice characture he was, and his life is in the mountains. I will always remember that little man.
I feel I have to post this alternative portrail of events in Taksim Square as opposed to the original post and the ensuing arguments and battle that commenced and errupted like a volcano.
Thanks for the info. However, I am curious - why do 'ensuing arguments and battles' bother you so much? It is a serious question.
You should know AEnigma, as the resident astrologer, being a Librian I believe in equilibrium, peace and harmony. I believe in being non-judgemental, and non-accusational. I dont believe that arguments solve anything, I can say that I have rarely seen a thread that is a real debate or discussion that does not end up like World War III. Even those that agree, fight! A while ago, a thread that ended up like this one, was locked so what is so different now? And as you so often state, everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is mine. I don't expect you to agree with it.
I feel I have to post this alternative portrail of events in Taksim Square as opposed to the original post and the ensuing arguments and battle that commenced and errupted like a volcano. With accusations flying left right and centre, everyone knowing best and no-one actually there to witness the event.
I was once informed that the Zaman newspaper was no more than a pornographic paper, and regarded at the same level as the tabloid press i.e our Sun, Daily Mirror. They breed sensationalism by reporting untruths and exagerating events.
If you read down this report it says that ONE tourist woman from Australia was molested in the crowd and an IRANIAN man has been arrested for it. She hid in the pharmacy with her friends.
Now you can believe what ever you like, but I like to fall somewhere in the middle and tend not to hold too much stock on any reports, as they are always going to be slanted one way or the other, depending on the writers point of view.
So it seems that everyone jumps to the conclusion it was a Turk, (may be an easy excuse to accuse an Iranin), but I am saying that it is not right to be so judgemental before you know all the facts.
And as the New Year celebrations were actually cancelled in Taksim, this was an impromtu gathering - not that it makes any difference.
WOO HOO!!! My so called life is out in dvd box sets..I didn't know!! TELL EVERYONE!!!! wooo hooo. I know what I want for my brithday now!! I LOVE IT...thats just made my day!!
Aenigma and her claws again all over libra for no reason! What exactly has she written to you in those essay-long PMs?
It would be embarassing to tell you Kitty - mostly just words of adoration and deep respect
Don't flatter yourself, there is nothing in the ONE PM of a few sentances, ................ essay? that I would not or have not posted on the forum. And I thought that "PM" meant "Private Message", therefore the content or the fact that one has been written remains private.
Where does it say sexual assaults? Says verbal and physical in the first post.
It does not surprise me AT ALL that you do not know (or can be bothered) about the definition of sexual assult.
What do you think it means?
Did you read Post 53 - the quote from Zaman?
Can't be bothered, don't have time, and I know perfectly well the definition of Sexual Assault thanks! I will now diligently go back and read the posts I have missed.
Just as I thought - where exactly is it saying "quote from Zaman" in post 53? Justinetime said it! Time to go I think!
Where does it say sexual assaults? Says verbal and physical in the first post.
It does not surprise me AT ALL that you do not know (or can be bothered) about the definition of sexual assult.
What do you think it means?
Did you read Post 53 - the quote from Zaman?
Can't be bothered, don't have time, and I know perfectly well the definition of Sexual Assault thanks! I will now diligently go back and read the posts I have missed.
You are so right Sui, I think there were something like 3 or 4 young men murdered in the UK on New Years Eve, and one Old lady burned to death in her house and not counting the numerous drink fueled fights, attacks, drunk drivers etc etc and girls going out in just a pair of knickers - yes and that was it!
I dont remember hearing about sexual assaults on tourists though..
Where does it say sexual assaults? Says verbal and physical in the first post.
Can we get back to the celebration thread now pretty please?
I am not intentionally spoiling your nice thread your majesty - just correcting Alemeda's error
Why don't you post something about one of your trips to Turkey, and some experiences you have had in Turkey.............. you have been there haven't you?
I have posted about my trips in the past - I have no wish to repeat myself
Pity we cant check them out, which nic was it now?
i see really no point in the survival of this thread... there is a bare fact that... there is shamefull and unlucky event occurs again at new years eve... but its nearly the same everywhere... after that dose of alcohol...
You are so right Sui, I think there were something like 3 or 4 young men murdered in the UK on New Years Eve, and one Old lady burned to death in her house and not counting the numerous drink fueled fights, attacks, drunk drivers etc etc and girls going out in just a pair of knickers - yes and that was it!
Can we get back to the celebration thread now pretty please?
I am not intentionally spoiling your nice thread your majesty - just correcting Alemeda's error
Why don't you post something about one of your trips to Turkey, and some experiences you have had in Turkey.............. you have been there haven't you?
Ugh. I just tried to download that file bod but my computer won't open it.
What do you mean by "won't open it" ???
Does it give an error?
I also tried it and it really doesn't work All it says is "error reading file" and "make sure the file exists"...
You can add the Turkish Keyboard from you settings in windows, as I have done, and you can switch between the two. The only thinkg is that you have to memorise where the various letters are on the keyboard.
This is how you do it:
Click your start button
Go to "Control Panel"
Open Icon labelled Regional Languages etc etc
Select "languages" tab
Select "details" and a new window will open
Select "add"
Select Turkish
You will then get a little Icon on your toolbar. Click it and you should get TR for Turkish. When you want to type Turkish, just click on it and select it.
Hope this works, I could not download the keyboard from here either. But this method works and does not take more than a couple of minutes to do.
There is a large black stone, The Hamza Stone, balancing precariously on three legs, something like a trivet, which is said to hold magical properties. It is said that it will give youthfulness to the old and fertility to the childless. Rituals are said to be carried out to this day.
Here is the photo I took of the Hamza Stone situated on Giresun Island.
My first experience of Turkey was in fact in Hong Kong! Although my grandmother was half Turkish, we never talked about Turkey at home. It was not until I met 5 Turkish business men in Hong Kong that I started to want to know more.
Later that year we made my first trip to Istanbul to meet with one of these men, having invited us to stay. Within a few months of this first trip, we were then invited to his wedding. From that day on I have loved Turkey.
Since then we have been to Turkey a few times. I find Turkish people to be very hospitable and welcoming. The food is fantastic, the scenary is to die for.
Mine too! Tomorrow I will add to this thread, but right now, I have to start the long battle with hair, nails, clothes to go out to with friends for our New Year do.
It is an interesting article, I would ike to read more about the first Turkish female to fly a plane!
When we talk about "first women" I was also intested to read about the first Turkish women to climb Everest, although much later in the 21st century, Eylem Elif Maviş. She reached the summit in May 2006 as first of a 4 mountaineers from a team of 11. She was part of the METU (Middle East Technical University in Ankara) mountaineering team.
On July 22, 2005 she successfully summited Gasherbrum II (8,035 m), the 14th highest peak of the world, with a Turkish team comprising six members. She and her teammate Burçak Özoğlu Poçan became the first Turkish women to climb over 8,000 m.
Giresun Adası is a small island in the Black Sea approximately 1 nautical mile from the city of Giresun. It is the largest island on the Turkish Black Sea coast. To get to the island, you need to hire a boat and sailor. During my visit to the Kaçkar Mountain, on our return journey, we stopped in Giresun and visited the island.
As we chugged across the sea, we passed many cormorants positioned on a small rocky headland, waiting for the fisherman to come back and an easy dinner. Arriving at the island, there is a concrete jetty where boats can be moored and visitors could use for sunbathing, or diving from into the Black Sea.
The island has a nickname of “Crusoe Island†and it has one inhabitant, (acting as a sort of caretaker I expect), who came to greet us. Walking around the island takes no time at all, but there is plenty to see. On one side there is a derelict wall, which was part of its later history, when the island was used as a monastery. There were other relics dating back to the monastery, old wine barrels, a quaint old bench, and various other signages, in both Turkish and English.
Preserved as a Class II historical and natural site, it is not allowed to be used as a residential area. It has ancient names, Aretias, Areas, Areos Nesos and Puga, but is now known quite simply as “Giresun Adası†(Giresun Island).
The island has as many myths as a small island could; it is believed there was a temple on it, built by the Amazons, the warrior women in ancient times, therefore it was also known as Amazon Adası. There is a large black stone, The Hamza Stone, balancing precariously on three legs, something like a trivet, which is said to hold magical properties. It is said that it will give youthfulness to the old and fertility to the childless. Rituals are said to be carried out to this day.
There is also another mythological tale about Athamus, king of Thessaly in ancient Greece, who, with his wife Nephele, produced two sons. During a famine, the king was advised to kill his sons. His wife Nephele hears of the intentions and hides her sons wrapped in gold fur and sends them to Caucasia. In following years, Hercules arrives at the island to capture the gold fur. But the dragon birds (maybe the Stymphalian Birds?), kicked out of Greece by Hercules, began to fight with the solders. Jason and the Argonauts kill the birds and carry on their voyage to Caucasia in search of the gold fur.
Thankfully there are no dragon birds in residence on the island today, just flocks of seagulls, and hopeful cormorants.
We come to Turkish Class because we love Turkey. Then we find out how much you all hate evil westerners. Some argue back, others ignore it because they are in love and others get angry at us for daring to insult you back
Ahhhh its a wonderful place
I have a kind request, please amend this post to 'I' and 'me' instead of 'we' and 'us' and stop generalising when you throw the odd 'acidly witty' insult. I and I guess several others, do not appreciate being 'lumped' into this invisible group.
And you omitted ...........................
'most ignore us because they are bored with the same old crap'
It puzzles me why you are still a member of this site, as you clearly show nothing but hate and contempt towards it and Turkey.
And no I don't have to read your posts, but this one by pure generalisation includes me.
A strange thread really - do we really care about his visa problems?
I am sure it is much harder for a Turk to work in the US
Thoughtful comment from "The Queen" of strange threads.
a thoughtful comment on a comment from a successful businesswoman
Oh thank you, you seem to know so much about me?
also know how you use bras as catapults.
a strange way of fighting.
did you learn it at some resorts?
You have heard of David and Goliath? and how David the small guy defeated Goliath the big guy with a catapult (or sling) and a stone? How he knocked him to the ground and siezed his sword and cut his head off?
Well I was using that as an analogy but with modern day catapult and of course the bigger the cup the bigger the stone
Dearest Peacetrain,
Thank you for your long and somewhat rambling reply to my post! You have your opinion and I have mine - why should you think I would attack you for it? Criticising my view is NOT personal - you cannot "personally criticise" somebody elses views!!!!
With regard to Femme, agree or disagree (I am sure she doesn't give a damn!). You can choose not to read her posts or you can argue your point. However for a couple of members to launch some ridiculous "campaign" to ask people to vote if she should be deleted is childish and weak!
Thank you for all the time and trouble you are spending on me lately
Yes I feel much better today thank you
AEnigma
(PS I am sure I know you from somewhere - did you used to use a different name? )
And what makes it rambling, the fact that a few home truths are being aired or cos you are running a temperature?
It is a sad event of course.
But I am still not sure if she should be portrayed as 'the only hope for democracy in Pakistan'.
The political arena is very very different there then the west. Very very slippery indeed. And do not forget there have been many many corruption allegations against her. Her husband used to be known as 'mr 10 percent'. But, again, I am not sure you can find uncorrupt politicians in Pakistan very easily anyway.
Can Musharraf be responsible? I dont think so. If he wanted to kill her, he could have killed her easily any time. And Bhutto Musharraf deal should not be forgotten. Bhutto as PM, Musharraf as president was a good scenario for USA's war on terror. And It would bring legitimicy to Musharraf as well. And USA would not be seen 'dealing with a dictator' anymore.
It might be Al-Qaida. We will see.
I agree. In fact Al-Qaida have admitted responsibility. I think Musharraf is a lost man, being pushed and pulled by USA on one hand and Talaban on the other.
But it is a sad day for democracy, which is what the Bhutos stood for, and if it was JUST to do with the fact of her being a woman, why are so many Pakistani men in uproar? As soon as she stepped back into Pakistan she knew that her life was at risk.
Our old friend of TC, Trudy, was a great lone traveller and it is a pity that she is not still here to tell you her tales. She wrote some wonderful essays about her journeys through Turkey, and I think the one thing she would say beyond everything else, is use your common sense.
but you are a traveller too!
why dont you drop a few cents in?
But I travel with my English husband of 31 years mostly! And when I have travelled alone, only on business, usually the people I am meeting collect me etc. So I don't really qualify to have bragging rights.................
Don't feel bad Akin, I can assure you there are worse birthdays to come Now is the time to start doing all those thing you want to do!!! As for me, my ambition this coming year (2008) is to go white water rafting
Our old friend of TC, Trudy, was a great lone traveller and it is a pity that she is not still here to tell you her tales. She wrote some wonderful essays about her journeys through Turkey, and I think the one thing she would say beyond everything else, is use your common sense.
The whole idea is a ridiculous notion - another reality TV nonsence!!!
Why can't people just be who they want to be and everyone else mind their own business (hypothetical)
Yes, exactly... but I suppose if you're a muslim, it's your duty to spread islam... so there's a fundamental issue in which this religion is incompatible with democracy. Even the title is SOOOOOO offensive and vulgar: "make me a muslim" . What the f*** am I, some kind of monkey? Or a bunch of clay they can play with?
Well people have VOLUNTEERED for this "social experiment" but it is already backfiring according to the media! Girls don't like having their makeup, alchohol and flimsey clothing taken away
Rules are being toughened in the New Year. This is the Borders and Immigration website for anyone outside the EU want to visit the UK, where Visa rules apply.
Oh yes, as you know I am well travelled, been all around the world, 4 or 5 times, it gets so tedious I just dont remember, maybe I have travelled nearly as much as you, But I have never been to the Isle of White! Oooops must have forgotten to collect my brain last time............ Wight
We are quits then - I have never been to Norfolk I have though, been to the Shetland Islands
There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home'
Libralady! I knew you travelled to Turkey (and other countries) A LOT, but I had no idea this was your motto!!!
Oh yes, as you know I am well travelled, been all around the world, 4 or 5 times, it gets so tedious I just dont remember, maybe I have travelled nearly as much as you, But I have never been to the Isle of White! Oooops must have forgotten to collect my brain last time............ Wight
look guys
i give up on bidding
im out of auction
take him
dont wanna a dudu
and keep this in mind!
There will always be stupid dudus around as long as there are fat assed blonde women who die for a lover 20 years younger. a good f..k and love words make them even more stupid and blind to the realities... a hundred times I tried to warn them but noone wants to see the truth untill they find the bitter truth in the end.
Do you really think the Dudu's are stupid? It is the dumb, fat assed blondes that are stupid! There is a saying, 'leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home' and that is exactly what they do - if they are daft enough to hand over money, phones etc etc well then they have to deal with the consequences - guess what, I dont have much symapathy
Uhmmmm! Now there is a question! I like both but at least dogs are easier to train and thanks I had a lovely weekend, only studying I did was in a lovely Italian restaurant - menu, wine list and waiters
I am so bored, my flight to Endinburgh is delayed and I am sitting in the smallest airport in England with nothing better to do and only two minutes left on the "internet station " Maybe I will walk round the departure lounge again............................
I may be spending significant time in Edinburgh in 2008. I hear its a great city. Any suggestions???
just go and you will love it,if possible at military tatoo festival))))you know this lack of underwear in case of some performers))))so funny!!!But seriously it is the city worth visiting due to ambience,helpful Scots who are not from English jokes,open,generous,fun-loving,etc...i just had great time there so i would keep on recommending
Go and see with your very eyes.sure you will like it !!!
I've been to Edinburgh many times and always love it! It is a great place to visit and be entertained. Bloody freezing cold tho! But I did get to see Bobby Greyfriars statue.................
I am so bored, my flight to Endinburgh is delayed and I am sitting in the smallest airport in England with nothing better to do and only two minutes left on the "internet station " Maybe I will walk round the departure lounge again............................
femme, I hope you are not a history teacher or a teacher tries to teach logic to students Ok Ok
I will try to simplfy it for you (because I am getting quite dissapointed here)
Where is Vietnam? (in asia)
where is USA (in north america)?
What is the distance between USA and vietnam? (thousands of miles)
what do you call a country leaves from its own soil and lands on another country's soil with its army? (it is called invaders)
A simple logic here femme!! USA in that conflict is called the 'invading country'.
And the result of invasion is huge number of civilian dead. Millions of civilian deads.
You can not just say 'ah the real reason many died is eastern mentality' and get away with it!!
Even if you tell this to your childeren in a simply way, they will ask you ' ama ama mom, dont you think if USA army did not invade there would not be millions of civilians dead?'
I am sure when they learn how much napalm was used in that war and how many civilians burnt alive, they will ask more different questions!!
when it comes to Iraq war:
where is IRAQ? (in middle east)
where is USA ? (see above! )
what is the distance between usa and iraq (again thousand of miles)
Was Iraq a thread to europe or usa (not really, never!!)
what happened there usa? army invaded iraq.(then of course removed the army, removed the government)
The result of the invasion?( so far) 1 million dead.4 million displaced.
You can not say femme 'trained terrorists bombing everywhere, they are responsible' and get away with it.
Your childeren will turn around ask 'ama ama, if the usa army did not invade, there would not be 1 million dead and 4 million displaced'
And again, I am sure when they learn in depth, they will ask 'ama ama, is it true that shooting is not the only way to kill people? is it true that even before the invasion sunctions killed 500.000 iraqi childeren every year?'
About Israel:
Actually, the number of childeren and civilians got killed speak for themselves.
119 israeli to 971 palestinians (childeren)
700 israeli to 2000 plastinians (civilians)
And you are the first person calling westbank settlers legal (even Ariel Sharon could not say it. )
ve ve legality of Israel, mandated by great britan etc (I was reading this really funny book from yalcin peksen and laughing a lot..I wont be reading it tonight..I had enough laugh )
I tend to agree with the above too, and if the USA had really wanted to kill Saddam, then why did they not use their intellegence in the first Iraq war? The only reason for the invasion of Iraq the first time, was to protect the oil in Kuwait.
Is it ok if we allow Vineyards to join? I think in Turkey some people might not listen to us, feminist, western females if there's no man by our side... So what do you think? (I think his gum flavour is chocolate).
P.S. I saw Libra also chewing gum yesterday when she was at work, does that automatically qualify her for membership?
How do you know if I was at work yesterday? As for chewing gum I would ban the stuff - it costs councils thousands of pounds to clean it off pavements My hard earnt tax!!!!!!!
i believe you are not forced to wear hijab but dont you ever question why God orders that? dont you ever think that it is not fair to order wearing hijab not to let men get aroused? dont you think it is insulting women? i am not saying these to offend you.i am really just trying to understand logic of hijab..i cannot accept such things unconditionally like most muslims do!
Is this just a general comment or for anyone in particular?
Dear Santa I wud like a kool toy space ranjur fer Xmas. Iv ben a gud boy all yeer.
Yer Frend,
BiLLy
Dear Billy,
Nice spelling. You're on your way to a career in lawn care.
How about I send you a f....... book so you can learn to read and write?
I'm giving your older brother the space ranger. At least HE can spell!
Santa
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Dear Santa,
I have been a good girl all year, and the only thing I ask
for is peace and joy in the world for everybody!
Love,
Sarah
Dear Sarah,
Your parents smoked pot when they had you, didn't they?
Santa
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Dear Santa, want a new bike, a Playstation, a train, some G.I. Joes, a dog, a drum kit, a pony and a tuba.
Love,
Francis
Dear Francis,
Who names their kid 'Francis' nowadays? I bet you're retarded.
Santa
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Dear Santa,
I left milk and cookies for you under the tree, and I left
carrots for your reindeer outside the back door.
Love,
Susan
Dear Susan,
Milk gives me the runs and carrots
make the deer fart in my face when riding in the sleigh. You want to do me a favour? Leave me a bottle of scotch.
Santa
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Dear Santa,
Do you see us when we're sleeping, do you really know when we're awake, like in the song?
Love,
Jessica
Dear Jessica,
Are you really that gullible? Good luck in whatever you
do. I'm skipping your house.
Santa
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Dear Santa,
I really really want a puppy this year.
Please please please PLEASE PLEASE could I have one?
Timmy
Timmy,
That whiney begging sh*t may work with your folks, but that crap doesn't work with me. You're getting a sweater again.
Santa
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Dearest Santa,
We don't have a chimney in our house, how do you get into
our home?
Love,
Marky
Mark,
First, stop calling yourself 'Marky', that's why you're getting your ass whipped at school. Second, you don't live
in a house, you live in a low-rent apartment complex. Third, I get your pad just like all the burglars do, through your bedroom window.
Sweet Dreams,
Santa
Funnily, the original link now goes to the main article, "53 year old woman runs off with her 26year old Moroccan lover" after meeting him on holiday she is going to marry him! Daughter is not amused
(I think this page changes on a daily basis)
But there are some other amusing articles that feed the professional femminist
oh, libra sorry your pc is kaput!
dont lose your hope, make sure you measure your temperature and take aspirins, the viruses are bad enemies, dont forget about lemons, they are good these bad cold days that pc viruses are very infectious, be careful.
Your generous concern overwhelms me Mind you the rest will do me good
Well just when I thought I had been able to get rid of the computer virus I had last week, after spending a few days in the PC hospital, I now have a serious virus and this time my PC is kaput. I have had to borrow a laptop just to look at 4 days worth of emails etc.
As the laptop has to go back tonight, sadly I wont be around until the PC doctor has done a full restore, which appears to mean I have lost everything - hundreds of photo's, over two thousand music tracks, all my husbands accounts and all my other files.
I am not sure that it is even recognized as a crime in Turkey. Maybe someone will know for sure.
I think it is a crime in Turkey but that does not stop anyone in any country!
Very True.
I believe it is actually zero tolerance, but if caught it depends who you are and how much money you have on you! I was told that you get sent to prison, but he meant as in remand (as in the UK a night in the cells to sober up) and then get fined. Not sure if they lose their licence as happens in the UK.
Yep a computer virus is not nice! I just got rid of the Downloader virus, most of last week my PC was in the PC hospital getting cleaned up. It attaches itself to MSN and when any of your contacts come online, even if you are not online, they get sent the virus as a link, like in a conversation window. If you open the link, then you also have the virus. So yes, be careful with MP3 sites, they often have this one or a Trojan Horse virus attached.
what problem, libra?
what problem?
do i need to have a problem to express myslef?
It was a question.
Is it your problem? Meaning is it your problem that people ask for translations?
libra, i admire you i personally do not have problem with any translation, i dont live with those dudus nor with ££££.
but however, im fully entitled to give my opinion, wether you are happy with that or not.
i just wonder why do my comments bother you? you must have had some problems, libra, reading them between your naps.
i was hoping to keep this thread alive... but it seems like other's don't want to. maybe they are afraid to admit to themselves that their men may be a dudu. or they just don't want to know the answers. well... hope this thread will still be alive...
Or it could be that it is not such a common phenomena as first thought - sort of nearly extinct, something to do with global warming maybe?
according to marion we bed girls are insulting those who try to learn the language, but no way i can see them learning not only language but anything at all.
Its a great show this morning Libra We are really enjoying it
Coincidence?
Enjoying what?
Its so wonderful the efforts people go to for Turkish Class However, unfortunately, I have to go now. I really enjoyed the "first act" of the show though
You can think what ever you like, but I can assure you you are wrong!
She is probably still fast asleep judging from the inane schoolgirl chatter that takes place here. I wander why Trudy left?
Well I am pretty sure I know why Trudy went actually Bydand. And....do you not think it strange that Libralady is being two people? ...Or did you know?
It seems to be that you are only happy when you are complaining about TC. But I never see you post ANYTHING about the language, culture, music, food.... you would be so bored without having us to complain about all the time
Interesting theory Aenigma (about me being two people), Byland your theory is correct!
I just searched for my "Two Pennies for your Thoughts" and "What is Bugging You" threads and they are not coming up Is it a problem with "search" or were they deleted? This is serious! I can't keep creating new threads all the time, I have better things to do with my time...like reading Libralady's posts.......
What next? "Three Pennies for your Thoughts III"? "What is Bugging You III"??
Kitty sort it out you bed amerikan
You really are more desperate than I thought ....... ....... .......
because Brittan has a national religion called the Church of England
Ouhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hope Joey is not watching - he would be very angry to hear you say that Britain has the Church of England!!! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have different religions. The Church of England is only in England
Following your comment about the USA I found this on Wikipedia which is really interesting! I guess the USA is not as multi-cultural as I thought!!
"Most Americans adhere to Christianity. According to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey (discussed below), 80% of the U.S. is Christian and 15% do not adhere to a religion. Other religions comprise 5% of the U.S. population"
STOP mentioning the "D" word!!! Libralady has been sucking lemons again today...
I am so honoured that you give your valuable time (wasting your DUDUing time), to scrutinise my uhmmm let me think 4 posts today only to discover that you have lost your sense of humour!
...But I know and have met many good Turkish men...
ouh really? Want to share the details with us?
Well, you see I met him while I was on Holiday. I was with my parents and bored, so I decided to go have a few drinks by the pool. The nicest waiter you would ever want to meet waited on me. Oh, those dark eyes I will never forget them, burned in my memory. Well, anyhow Sakir made the best cosmos and I'm telling you he wasn't chincy on the vodka either.
Well, later that night I was walking out of the lobby and Sakir was walking out as well. He had just gotten off of work. So, he asked what I was doing and I told him I was bored. He was so kind and thoughtful to ask me to take a walk with him.
I remember vividly the moon shining oh so bright and then it happened. His hand brushed up against mine and I turned to him and we both gazed into each others eyes. My heart beating so fast, I just knew it was destiny. I mean what are the odds we found eachother. Me living in another country and him in Turkey.
So, it was time to leave and return and I was just heart broken. But now we chat online and I will call him, but my phone bill has been pretty expensive, so now I have to find a part time job to pay my phone bill. Oh yes, did I mention I have been saving money to buy him a plane ticket to come see me. If that doesn't work, I will soon go visit him. I'm also very good friends with his brother and cousin..Even if they can't understand me.
The other men, well that's a little embarrasing to tell.
That's my story!
You forgot to mention the Clamidia clinic! Don't they normally end up there ?
Can we have some evaluation Elham and Alemeda, if you use these programmes? I am up for trying new programmes but have problems with my PC at the moment and don't want to download anything else until I am sure it is OK.
Hi all,
I am going to Istanbul on the 18th November to see my fiancee Nesrin and am looking forward to the trip. We put an advert in a local supermarket REAL, advertising English lessons, my English is not bad but I am no teacher. We received a phone call today asking is it possible to teach a Turkish man the basic English language, I am a bit concerned because I would like to help and take up the offer but my English is not to teaching standards and I only have a week in Istanbul hardly enough time to teach the basic English language.
What do the members here think? should this guy come to our apartment in Istanbul or shall I go to him, of course Nesrin has to be there to translate some Turkish as he cannot speak any English at all. Would love some advice
Thanks
Sadly you don't appear to have got the advice you would like. Enjoy your time with Nesrin if you only have a week Good luck !!
I have been to China 11 times, but only to do with work. I visited many factories in the Electronics industry. I visited mostly Guangdong Provice and have been to Shanghai to. Sadly, I don't know any Chinese, except for "thank you"
That's quite impressive. Is there a place in the world that you HAVEN'T been to Libralady?
Scandinavia, Iceland, Greenland, South Pole, North Pole, South America, Australia, New Zealand, Most of Asia, Africa, Pacific and Atlantic Islands, Russia and the Baltic States, Canada, most of the Caribean, all of the Middle East! So loads of places I have not been! Blimey so many places I have not been to yet!
I only went to China because of work, and the places I went to were not the sort you would go on holiday to!
I have been to China 11 times, but only to do with work. I visited many factories in the Electronics industry. I visited mostly Guangdong Provice and have been to Shanghai to. Sadly, I don't know any Chinese, except for "thank you"
Please dont take any notice of the Daily Mail, it is one the UK's most racially motivated papers there is, so any chance there is they will take it.
As for Christmas, it is how many weeks away? And the shops are already full of Christmas products and have been since September, lights are being put up in the streets. Christmas sales started today too! The commercialism of Christmas over shadows any religious theme that it should be about. You ask children in primary school and I guess only a handfull will know the real reason for Christmas, to them it will be about what presents they will receive.
During my last trip to Turkey, as we drove along the Black Sea coast from Samsun to Arhavi, all the way there were women and children working along the side of the road, sorting, bagging or whatever it is they do, with hazelnuts. Initially we wondered what they were doing. They were also for sale on little stalls too along the roadside.
Turkey obviously is a huge country with much of it mountainous. It has a variety of snakes, spiders and insects. Also there are different sizes of cats, coyotes and wolves. Bears? I don't know. Lets not forget about the jellyfish in the bogas waters. They can leave quite a sting.
Yes, jelly fish do leave a nasty sting (silent but deadly ) and then of course the wolves, surround their vulnerable pray and attach.
If you were to come to where I live, I could warn you about dangerous critters that live here. Things like Black Widow spiders, Brown Recluse spiders, scorpions, bears, mountain lions, bobcats, ticks, rattlesnakes, stingrays, deadly mushrooms and sharks. That's all I can think of in my area now When one goes to foreign areas they don't know what to look for.
I stepped on a rattlesnake once, and have numerous friends who have been bitten by brown recluse spiders (it's really quite a horror) and I know people who have shot large bears that entered their homes. In the Western US, I know to keep my eyes and ears alert for rattlesnakes and the other creatures. In other parts of the USA are the deadly poisonous cottonmouth, copperhead snakes.
What dangerous critters are in Turkey and where are they?
Take a look at my Turkey photos! The most dangerous thing I came across in the mountains was a few piles of bear droppings, a herd of cattle and a puppy that insisted on biting my backside and anyone else's who he thought was game!! (that photo has still to be put on the site!) There are brown bears in the mountains, but as far as I am aware there are no real dangerous animals, not like your impressive list anyway
Your taxes go up and lazy people have more money then those who work because of the welfare state, nothing wrong with privatization.
I don't know about the jobs, but there's tons of immigrants in your country, so it can't be that bad! You're still richer per capita then 90% of the world!
Weather...? Give this option to anyone from sunny Antalya, let's see if they will hesitate. Please, set your priorities straight.
hmmm lazy people?we work as hard as anyone,welfare state?i refer to my first post on this subject,'nothing wrong with privatisation'?like how?Robbing native people of their jobs?the private companies paying little or if no tax into their country?Their workers?Are they paying into the U.K?
'There are tons of immigrants in the country'
1.They are driving the hourly wage down of native people,so because they work for nothing per hour in their own countries,as one of the strongest nations in the world we should have to drop our wage structure?
2.Are they not a drag on our 'ever lasting' Health system?don't they ever get ill?do they have private insurance?do they pay for medical attention when they come here?Who pays for this treatment 'them'?with their already driven down price per hour?or us paying our taxes 25% and 8% national insurance?
Sunny Antalya seems fine to me,compared to this fiasco,why arent YOU living here?There's always room for one more!
Mylo, I think you should emigrate! I don't have time for writing a long reply, but just one point - because of our "wage structure" we have driven maufactring to low paid countries and have been doing so for many years. So I don't think you can blame imigrants today for this problem.
And if all those imigrants who work for low pay, minumim wage of £5.52, in hospitality, cleaning, farming and construction went home, who would then do those jobs? The 1.2m people in our country who will not work? or the 5 million supposedly disabled workforce? These industries with the exception of construction, have always been low paid.
Many of the problems we see today in our country are down to the unions strength in the 70's (Labour years, Harold Wilson etc) before Thatcher, when inflation was running at 27%.
The welfare state is the fault of the Labour governments of the past and present. It is more beneficial for some people to be on benefits than at work, and I beleive that £5.52 is a reasonable minimum wage. Benefits should not give a living wage.
I am also afraid that much of what is happening is being controlled from Brussels.
Yes considering some of the posts lately it ought to be Love and Apology weekend! Infact it should never come to that at all as we should treat everyone as we would wish to be treated ourselves.
A happy and peaceful weekend to everyone and don't forget to put your clocks back one hour tonight! for an extra hour of lurve
29 Intercontinental Eurasia Marathon will take place on Sunday, October 28, 2007. It is composed of 42 km. marathon run a 15 km. fun run. Any healthy individual who is 18 or older and completed all the information on entry form can register for the marathon and fun run. Age limit is not required for the 10 km Public Run however registration is required.
There is water & sponge and refreshment station in every 5th km. on the route. Marathon, 15km and Public Race finishers will be presented with a special Istanbul Eurasia Marathon T-shirt and medal. The ones intending to participate one of these runs should pay the entry fee, sign the forms and get their race number latest by October 27 17:00 hours. Municipality bus, sea bus and tramway are free for marathon runners until 9:00, showing the "Race Number" is sufficient.
Starting point of marathon and 15 km. fun run is the car parking lot next to the paying boxes on the Anatolian Side of the Bosphorus Bridge. The runners can either reach the start point by their means of transportation or by the buses in front o the Marathon Office (Dolmabahçe, accross the Küçükçiftlik Lunapark). Departure time of the buses is 07:30.
Registration for Marathon and 15 km. run:
Kadırgalar Caddesi K.Çiftlik Lunapark Karşısı
Şişli Evlendirme Dairesi Altı Şişli (212) 234 42 00
Start point of Public Run is under Acıbadem Bridge. Again the buses will be ready in front of the İnönü Stadium, Dolmabahçe to take runners to start point. Departure time is 07.30. Public Run will take start at 09:30. The route is 10 km and will end at Taksim Square.
Registration for Public Run
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2 years ago, (it was September 26th I think) I was in Istanbul when the marathon was on, it was amazing! We were in the Swiss Bosphorus hotel and from the hill could see the runners crossing the Bosphorus Bridge. What a great route! 10K is the most I have run in races.
Look, sorry for my comment but it just seemed strange. Teas and Yilgun had mentioned a couple of her novels and I said that she also wrote some wonderful short stories.... it just seemed strange when you added "she also wrote many novels"....
Humble apologies for upsetting you!!!!!!
Yes very VERY strange! But many things on this site are strange and it is strange that for some strange reason you commented on my strange post:-S . But then it will soon be halloween when really strange things happen
As well as short story compelations, she also wrote many novels - and is a very interesting old lady.
Ermm have you been at the wine again Libralady?! Yes, her novels had been discussed - that is why I said that she ALSO writes short stories (and incidently poetry)
So now I have to ask persmission to write a post? Maybe I don't spend enough time here reading ALL the posts, and not duplicating anything! My most humble applogies.
This bothered me to the point that I did a search on
TC for Doris Lessing so where is the discussion?
Above - at the start of this thread Teaschip mentions her two of her NOVELS and Yilgun mentions one of her NOVELS!
Well forgive me for being so ignorant, but that constitutes a discussion? a couple of books out of the 87 or so whe wrote? And what about her interesting allbeit controversial life? I consider myself being told to shut up.
So when any member of society shows their vulnerabity in public, good to know that you live in a society where you think its OK to public humiliate them. Does this make you feel superior somehow?
Enjoying the common drama that goes on with a holiday romance is one thing. Shaming a pregnant woman is quite another. I'm shocked Elizabeth. I really am. This may be the most disgusting abuse of an individual I have ever seen at TLC. Any person with an ounce of self-asteem or compassion would never have acted in this way. You should all be ashamed of yourselves...
Keith I agree with you whole heartedly and in the UK there are laws about this sort of treatment of people. I read this post gob smacked and dumb founded. I dont know what else to say.
As well as short story compelations, she also wrote many novels - and is a very interesting old lady.
Ermm have you been at the wine again Libralady?! Yes, her novels had been discussed - that is why I said that she ALSO writes short stories (and incidently poetry)
So now I have to ask persmission to write a post? Maybe I don't spend enough time here reading ALL the posts, and not duplicating anything! My most humble applogies.
This bothered me to the point that I did a search on
TC for Doris Lessing so where is the discussion?
As well as short story compelations, she also wrote many novels - and is a very interesting old lady.
Ermm have you been at the wine again Libralady?! Yes, her novels had been discussed - that is why I said that she ALSO writes short stories (and incidently poetry)
So now I have to ask persmission to write a post? Maybe I don't spend enough time here reading ALL the posts, and not duplicating anything! My most humble applogies.
Haha Libralady, your mind is much more dirtier than mine!
What did you think by shortcuts? See, i use cabs for no other purposes than to get me to destination.
Safe, well and untouched.
Do not judge me after your ways of having fun with a driver tapping you.
And after you even pay for the ride. BTW, do you pay more when a driver touches your leg?
Quoting libralady:
Uhmm shortcuts hey? Advances, touching leg, coffee, Well before Femme and Aenigma get to you, I have only one thing to say, I hope it was a BIG fee
I am afraid you get me wrong!!! The fee, you got away with the fee - I hope it was a BIG one!
well... i took a taxi home from work today.
the driver seemed to have no knowledge at all about how to avoid traffic so i had to guide him. he started to make advances on me. almost touch my leg. phew! and i remebered this forum topic about cabdrivers in Istambul, which later turned into experiences with proposing cabdrivers. I got quite hard on the man while i was almost bursting into laugh remembering the remarks from this topic. And in the end, as i said him, i kept back from the fee the money for a (quite expensive) coffee he offered me to drink during a niiiiiiiiice cooooooooooooozy chat in the night. After all, i had to show him all the shortcuts!
Uhmm shortcuts hey? Advances, touching leg, coffee, Well before Femme and Aenigma get to you, I have only one thing to say, I hope it was a BIG fee
How many kg´s can my bag´s weight! I´m leaving to Adana through Istanbul this sunday
Thanks!
Best to check with the airline as the hand baggage rules vary also. Turkish Airlines is 20kg hold but not sure what the hand baggage is. I recently flew and was only allowed one bag including handbag, so I had to jam my handbag into my laptop bag!
No, nothing is ever funny. Life is completely serious. Laughing is for the unemployed and the TLC addicts. Femme Fatal taught me that...
You know it is all the lemons that does it............ I think I might suffer the same problem. Laughing is for those less fortunate I agree, and low and behold anyone who breaks the rules of laughter
eh not everybody is perfect like you... that is interested in everything and knows about everything
Or hooked up to this site by their umbilical cord!
Thanks Sui! Libralady, even bearing in mind your comment that you have no interested in general knowledge and are not interested in current affairs, surely even YOU could not have missed all the news stories.
Yeah - maybe I am intolerant of ignorance. People in the UK are lazy, spoiled and self-centered.
Thanks for insinuation that I am ignorant, the joke was about how long people spend on this site in a day, which seems to have escaped your irreverant sense of humour and you appear to have misread that I do not know what is in the news! HaHaHa ...............
I sometimes scratch my head and wonder how some of these women can be so niave. I thought we all knew what the "pick up lines" are...what the tell tale signs are of how to spot a con man, but apparently not.
You hit the nail on the head there!! This is right where my sympathy runs out!!! You can only mop up so much olive oil with your piece of bread
will please not drink before you post? thank you
Yes that coffee went straight to my head..................
thats not too bad considering i work 10 hours day here lol! and 600 ytl a month isnt all that bad. one more question for anyone, if i were to study turkish at a language school - would the vias still be required then?
Actually 10 hours is just the tip of the iceburg! Most of the men work from 08:00 until at least midnight in the resorts, depending on what you are doing, sometimes it can be longer. And the shops too open long hours - often til midnight. Don't forget the bars serve breakfast, lunch, dinner and drinks then turn into a club until maybe 3 or 4 in the morning. Plus they fit in all the "extras" too! What stamina they have
One year we drove into Oludeniz at 05:00 in the morning and in some of the resorts we dropped off at, there were still people lolly on the bars and hte barmen were still working.
That eating thing I can do without. Last time I ate so much food with eggplant in it that it took two months home and medical treatment to recover. I lost 10 kilos and got very ill. No more....I'm allergic to eggplant. In particular the combination of eggplants, onions, tomatoes and peppers....too much nightshade. I can eat some of them sometimes, but everyday eggplant was almost the death of me.
I notice rheumatism and arthritis are problems in Turkey and they are aggravated by those foods.
A trip to Morocco took 15 kilos in a week. Almost died from that one. Now I'm careful......although it is difficult. Although a night of graphic gastronomical distress usually causes people to let me eat what I want and not try to force anything on me.
Teas was looking for a diet! Is there anything left of you? 25 kg - that would just about see me looking like a skeleton! But joking aside, hope you are fine now!
I sometimes scratch my head and wonder how some of these women can be so niave. I thought we all knew what the "pick up lines" are...what the tell tale signs are of how to spot a con man, but apparently not.
You hit the nail on the head there!! This is right where my sympathy runs out!!! You can only mop up so much olive oil with your piece of bread
I am going to visit my boyf at his home in iskendurun (so will be meeting his folks)
i am soooo very nervous about this. I am worried about the cultural differences and if they will accept me.
He keeps telling me that his parents and city are very 'cosmopolitan' and not to worry...
can anyone tell me anything about life/culture in iskendurun??
any info would be much appreciated!!
Thanking you
How would you behave if you was visiting the parents of your English boyfriend (if that was the case), would it really be that different? Rules are the same world wide, be polite, be respectful, be yourself - they surely wont expect you to understand all about Turkish culture and they will be just as nervous as you.
if ur female and alone,dont sit on the front seat next to driver,you should always sit on back seat cuz something more than being ripped off may happen,especially if ur a foreign.i dont mean that all the taxi dirivers are pervert or abuser or disturbing but some of them...
Same here. Taxi drivers are universal in that I believe.
Are you serious? Its not funny. If this happened in the UK the guy would be out of a job straight away and probably face prosecution. If any taxi driver touched me they would never have children again....
how about libra's post above?
Well, I guess she just thought it was funny - and didn't report him
Yep I thought it was funny - I was not alone! If I had been alone, I would have been out of the car whilst it was moving But then I would never have got in the front in the first place - I drew the short straw that night
When you enter Turkey via Ataturk, they do NOT stamp your passport at the visa line.
Follow the signs, in English, as well as the crowd from your flight, to Passport. The first line you will come to is Visa. It is well marked. Pay for your visa with U.S. dollars or Euros, either is accepted. They will stick a visa onto one of the pages in your passport.
Then you go to the Passport line to get your passport stamped.
I'm sorry, but you do need to stand in two lines. The Visa line is relatively short, no longer than 10 minutes. The Passport line can be much longer, with waits ranging from 10 minutes to an hour and a half, depending on how many flights are arriving.
I recommend that you bring an ATM card and get your money (as YTL) from ATMs, which are widely available. Check with your bank before you leave on your trip to make sure that your password is valid internationally and to notify them that you will be getting money in Turkey.
If you use an ATM card, you never need to change money.
I have been lucky enough to not queue at the visa office, first one in the line every time. They grab your money, in my case a nice crisp £10 note and off you go, don't so much as look at you.
It is suprising the number of people who do not know about this visa malarky and they go rushing to the passport control, and I watch with a smug grin on my face(cruel?)
if ur female and alone,dont sit on the front seat next to driver,you should always sit on back seat cuz something more than being ripped off may happen,especially if ur a foreign.i dont mean that all the taxi dirivers are pervert or abuser or disturbing but some of them...
This made me laugh so much! It is not only Istanbul you should not sit in the front next to the driver, but also England! I remember years ago, sitting the front cos' there was so many of us in the taxi, and the driver started to touch my leg when he changed gear! I have never sat so close to a car door in all my life - my friends in the back thought it was funny
Think about going to Kalkan next summer. Does anyone have any useful info on hotels. I have had a looked at a couple of websites, but the hotels seem limited and mostly appartments and villas.
Have you tried Patara, 15 min cab ride from Kalkan. Quiet village, fantastic beach. Can recommend viewpoint hotel Patara A++++
saygilar
Andy B.............
Thanks I will take a look, lonely planet is not too complimentary about Kalkan, but I know people who say it is lovely. I only want to go for a week, so I need sun, sea, bed and food
I am planning to travel to Istanbul in november but my parents and family are concerned about the latest problems with the PKK.Is it safe for me to travel now or should i wait till things calm down?I am not going to travel alone but with groups of tourists and we're travelling by bus.
Maybe your parents have some other reason on their agenda for not wanting you to go, but use this as an excuse!
I went to Istanbul a couple of weeks after a Dutch tourist was killed by a bomb in one of the small restaurants on the Galata Bridge and we walked along the place where it happened. If you always worry about what might happen you will never do anything - there will never be a good time!
Sorry but when was it not safe? What gave them the idea it was not safe?
If you mean crossing the road, then no it is not safe or getting past the carpet sellers It is no less safe than other big city, and I would not think twice about going again - but I would think twice before travelling to London.
I hope to get in contact with him, I do not know why the topic turned to irony rather than help you ,i feel sorry for your suffer
Good luck
Bcs of attitude of some to internet exhibitionism.we are all in matrix with this kind of virtual contacts.I really,personally feel sorry for the author of this post...as I know how hard it must be for her!unfortunately women are able to love more and are able to have more emphatic skills than men!Men are just too self conscious and egoistic to understand it!Hubs of universe!!!with everything revolving around them!
Anyway,be strong!It is not a crime to love and trust in a Turk but a nuisance!wish you all the best!
And exactly who has been the most emphatic in this thread ?? Not the women and there is a saying 'no news is good news' so I hope that will be the case soon.
I recently was forced to watch a lot of CNN (being the only English language speaking channel available in my hotel room!) and was amazed at high profile of Turkey in commercial breaks!
The Turkish government is spending a FORTUNE on advertising on CNN. Without fail, every single commercial break featured long and expensive ads for US investment in Turkish companies and Turkish airlines.
With Turkey recalling their ambassador from the US last week, it begs the question....are Turkey cutting off the hand that feeds them?
Somewhere in the forum, I don't remember where or when, there was a post / article about the amount of money Turkey is spending on advertising itself! I suppose CNN is a good place to start as it is available all over the world and especially in foreign hotels when you are fed up and with nothing better to do, and it is the only English speaking channel!! What I like is the lovely Turkish Tourist symbol - they use it everywhere, even on a towel I bought in Oludeniz!
Whether we are concerned or not is irrelevant......
Global warming has nothing (or very little) to do with human beings - and therefore there is nothing that we can practically do to change the situation.
I am not trying to pick a fight, but how did you come to the conclusion that global warming has nothing to do with human beings? Am I mistaken? Please explain...I am honestly curious. Thanks, Bod.
Me too! Bod you suprise me. How can you say that we are not responsible for Global Warming to some extent? And when I say "we" I mean the individuals that live on this earth.
Or do you mean we are not responsible for Global Warming (or cooling) but we are responsbile for Climate change and I see these as different.
I agree that climate changes over time and that has been proven with the research that has been carried out especially in the artic.
But surely belching out fumes as the industrialised and emerging economies do, this must have an effect like no other throughtout time.
In the last few years, we have seen some of the most extremes of weather and I believe that "we" are responsible to some extent for this.
Think about going to Kalkan next summer. Does anyone have any useful info on hotels. I have had a looked at a couple of websites, but the hotels seem limited and mostly appartments and villas.
Having been away a few days, I must admit I am suprised to see that there has NOT been deep discussion about the subjects floading our news lately. Have the topics been deleted?
Where is discussion about the Turkish government's request to send the Turkish Army into northern Iraq?
Where is discussion about US House of Representative's vote on Armenians?
Is this it?!?!?!
Well now you are back, perhaps you would like to start a new thread? to satisfy your suprise!
What, economics?
What's that?
We are too busy, writing love letters here...
In the main yes !!! However, my reason for not replying was simply that ...it's a fact that there is huge economic growth in Turkey. What else can I say?
Bir şey değil Melek,
From what i know Birthday celebration is not a big deal for Turkish.
Many dont celebrate it.
Can't say I blame them either!! I think we make far to much fuss with birthdays when you reach a certain age, you wish they would go in reverse, instead of being reminded by cards! But I am forever 21 in my head
Dear Teaschip1 Here's a netiquette source. You will find there are links for many other netiquette resources as well at the end of the page. Do have fun!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
I think it is not Tea that need this One or two others sprint (yes sprint) to mind
So what you are saying...Turkish women are human beings... Who would have thought? No one can answer the question in this post! All of the descriptions of the Turkish women can be found in the U.S. too. 1 obsessed with looks (check) 2. university only to find a man (check) 3. smart and career minded (check) 4. act silly so men won't be put off by her smarts (check) I'm sure all these types of women live in Russia too. Urban vs rural makes a big difference too ( for example: Istanbul vs small town in Cappadocia), socioeconomic status, liberal vs conservative. As many have said, all people of a certain country cannot be lumped together and generalized accurately.
It is a strange phenomena - these woman live in my town (rural Norfolk UK town too!) and guess what, they are English - well well!!
Shame on me? Excuse me catwoman, what do you know about my personal religious affiliations, and what business do you have bringing them into this thread? What do they have to do with my comment? In the post you quote, I did not mention anything regarding Islam or my being an adherent to it.
Alameda, and what do you know about me? You attack and bash me based on your impulses and prejudices yet you claim to dislike this attitude!? I'm not saying that I never say the wrong thing, but clearly you're not a saint either. I was guessing that you're a Muslim, but it doesn't really matter, even if you're not, your attitude is one of stereotyping and attacking and worsening conflicts not alleviating them - at least at certain situations of misunderstanding where it would especially be helpful. I'm sorry if I'm wrong about you, but I don't appreciate your angry attitude towards me.
I don't know how it may sound to you, Libralady, but i shure do know what i ment here!!! That is why i clarified. Honestly, i should have checked a dictionary for a better word than this kitchen - robot. Now, i am the turkish man-hunter mercyless tempting girl here, or whatever, but looks to me like your mind is working... multifunctionally in this topic of the eversleeping waking foreign girls, which you did not read over before intervening on my comments.
Hope that i there are no more doubts about what i meant: orange squezzing. Here where i live, sex-shops are only entering the market(i think)...what is a bed implement?
Bedroom implement - you have not lived yet, oh but you live in America not in the seedy East!
People often complain that TC is not like 'the good old days' but my personal opinion is that recent new female members have added considerably to the site. They are strong, ballsy, funny and clever...long may they stay
(Maybe that's why certain male members are getting so upset lately! )
I hate Bossy Insecure Temptuous Caddy Highminded Yelling women...
who are these women
Don't think she means me! Although I do meet most of the criteria except I am not new! Especially the strong and the clever, but sorry I dont have balls! and never do I want any - not of my own anyway
Im turk, I dont know Im a real or not, but Im feel myself as a turk. I dont wanna change ur point of views coz u are being boring with ur insulting posts. not only me, most of the old turkish class members think like this. we really wonder, what are u trying to do? are you trying to change turkish men? if you dont like it, there are millions of forum sites. I advise you to join these site and send ur insulting posts there not here.
Who insults who here? Dear?
everybody knows them we are just laughing at them coz they are silly.I dont care about their thoughts coz I know that there are many ppl on this site who they love turkey, turkish culture and respect the religion they believed in. that s why we really dont care! Go on ur posts.
I disagree with a person having a nick he is not fully aware of. And when he is asked about, he gets rude, as hurted in his feelings and tells you to get out from forum and site. Than becomes ironical and tells you you can go on.
More than that, i do not think that i, or some of us are really silly here.
Furthermore, i do not take much credit on a guy who PMs me i do not have a suitable nick, because i make him hungry during ramadan...
And for the end, i would like to add that i still disagree with casual affairs. And that for a tango takes too. Both partners should change attitudes.
If this is offensive to Kirsty, Yuz, or Janissary... i just throwed the gloves! We could do the fencing sometimes this year in Cappadochia, probably.
Now that everything about psychology is crystal clear in your mind just like gravitational laws are. Then please explain what extraordinary psychological conditions caused you to discontinue as a moderator? After having stirred conflicts among users, you really need the help f some academy to validate your own psychology.
Dont worry, Libralady is here to add some wisdom, agree with the Turkish and then insult them - all in one post
Being a little on the dim side, please tell me how or where I insulted the Turks? And that one goes to Chantal also, and anyone else who thinks the same, and then I wonder...... of what f***, another glass of wine
Im turk, I dont know Im a real or not, but Im feel myself as a turk. I dont wanna change ur point of views coz u are being boring with ur insulting posts. not only me, most of the old turkish class members think like this. we really wonder, what are u trying to do? are you trying to change turkish men? if you dont like it, there are millions of forum sites. I advise you to join these site and send ur insulting posts there not here.
Who insults who here? Dear?
everybody knows them we are just laughing at them coz they are silly.I dont care about their thoughts coz I know that there are many ppl on this site who they love turkey, turkish culture and respect the religion they believed in. that s why we really dont care! Go on ur posts.
I disagree with a person having a nick he is not fully aware of. And when he is asked about, he gets rude, as hurted in his feelings and tells you to get out from forum and site. Than becomes ironical and tells you you can go on.
More than that, i do not think that i, or some of us are really silly here.
Furthermore, i do not take much credit on a guy who PMs me i do not have a suitable nick, because i make him hungry during ramadan...
And for the end, i would like to add that i still disagree with casual affairs. And that for a tango takes too. Both partners should change attitudes.
If this is offensive to Kirsty, Yuz, or Janissary... i just throwed the gloves! We could do the fencing sometimes this year in Cappadochia, probably.
And what makes you think he know's nothing about his nickname? Or why he chose it?
I agree that the first post of this thread is sterotypically offensive, and has been posted SO many times it is boring and no I don't have to read it, and most of the thread I have not. Yes the west gets bashed on here, but we deserve it to a point, for being so bloody right all the time!
everybody knows them we are just laughing at them coz they are silly.I dont care about their thoughts coz I know that there are many ppl on this site who they love turkey, turkish culture and respect the religion they believed in. that s why we really dont care! Go on ur posts.
Very well said. I totally agree with you Janissary.
BBC Radio 2 - 40th year birthday celebration on listen again. They played Kenny Everett's Saturday morning show from 1981. I am listening to that now and it hilarious.
I heard that too but last weekend, not sure exactly when as Saturday I was in Hamburg, and Sunday was my birthday and I was suffering a hangover - they even got the time checks exact!! Fantastic! Kenny Everet was an icon of British comedy!
In some ways I miss not being able to log on to TC so much these days, but then I see a thread like this and I am glad I don't log on so much!!!! Reading the opening post was enough for me...................... the "here we go again" sort of post
You Turkish guys - you should be so glad you are unique in this world!!!!!!! No other male species like you
I forgot to add, all you dumb European girls, come and read the threads on this site before you embark on a "unique" relationship with a "unique" Turkish guy.
Veges
Broccoli-boiled with butter & cheese
Salad-in a bag with lots of dressing
greenbeans - lots of salt
corn-salt and butter
potatoes - mashed with butter
Strawberries - usually in a milk shake or with sugar or a pie or cake version
Grapes- I do eat these plain
Ditch the butter, cheese, dressing, salt and milk shake and pie and that should make all the difference!
I steam my veg, brocolli, cauliflower, carrots etc etc, boil rice and pasta - with no butter or oil, and I hate mashed potatoes.
Jut dont add unnecssary fat to any cooking, and too much salt is of course bad, high blood pressure and water retention.
Try and avoid cornstarch, it is what the USA puts in diet drinks and it is addicitve according to research and makes you want to eat more.
Why do asian women stay so skinny? Anyone out there who can give me some advice on dieting? What works what doesn't. I am committed to giving up fastfood, which means I have to cook now. I have no idea what to buy, what's healthy and tastes good at the same time. Help me! Where do I start?
Simple equation! Eat less and exercise more!
It is a little bit worrying that you don't know what to buy - is that because you are limited in choice? Like no fresh veg or fruit, no butcher shops etc etc? From what I have witnessed in the USA, these shops were hard to come by, fast food after fast food and the portions are HUGE!! so I feel for you Tea! Maybe drink more tea??
I joined the TC since late August my only aim was to learn more Turkish... But now I want to record thanks to this nice website I have known some kind persons whom I consider friends
1. kafesteki kus ... a kind lady from poland our chatting about poetry, life and hopes.
2. Trudy... a nice person from Holland.. do chat about life and expirences
3. Sunflowerseed... A turkish guy and intrested in poetry and literature , I hope to see him one day in Istanbul.
4. Elham... My friend from the same country, Iraq. She is nice and I hope her all the best.
5. Ayla and Marionin.. sometimes we are exchanging something about translation
Those people we are still contacting each other and they are great for me.
Finally I hope to get more friends from this website who are getting useful time from the technology of being online.
Share the love Serdar!! Hope it catches on.............. this could be the start of something beautiful
The belly dancing I have seen in Turkey was mind boggling! I could not stop watching, I was amazed at the womans agility and strength, and the gracefulness and beauty with stomach muscles to die for. Nothing sleezy about what I saw. Maybe the ones who don't like it are a little jealous and insecure?
Vineyards has the right to defend patriotism and femme has the right to criticize it. I don't understand though why vineyards feels the need to bash her personally in his post. Would that mean something about himself as a person?
Don't see why Vineyards post amounts to a "bashing". I have seen many much worse.
On many ocassions TC members have been "bashed" quite viciously at times but not a word to the "basher".
One of my informal thoughts on TC "it is OK for some but not for others"!
Don't walk under a ladder
Don't walk on the gaps in paving stones
Don't cross on the stairs
Upturned horseshoe is supposed to be lucky
Friday 13th is unlucky (some people are so superstious they stay in bed all day)
Don't have a cylamen in the house if you are pregnant (supposed to make the woman miscarry)
That's all the rubbish I can think of for now.............
Here is an old "Good House Keeping" Article from 1955. It talks about how to be a good housewife.
The Good Wife's Guide
From Housekeeping Monthly, 13 May, 1955.
Have dinner ready.
Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal ready on time for his return. This is a way of letting him know that you have be thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they get home and the prospect of a good meal is part of the warm welcome needed.
Prepare yourself. Take 15 minutes to rest so you'll be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your make-up, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh-looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people.
Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him. His boring day may need a lift and one of your duties is to provide it.
Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives. Run a dustcloth over the tables.
During the cooler months of the year you should prepare and light a fire for him to unwind by. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift too. After all, catering to his comfort will provide you with immense personal satisfaction.
Minimize all noise. At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer or vacuum. Encourage the children to be quiet.
Be happy to see him.
Greet him with a warm smile and show sincerity in your desire to please him.
Listen to him. You may have a dozen important things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first - remember, his topics of conversation are more important than yours.
Don't greet him with complaints and problems.
Don't complain if he's late for dinner or even if he stays out all night. Count this as minor compared to what he might have gone through at work.
Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or lie him down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him.
Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soothing and pleasant voice.
Don't ask him questions about his actions or question his judgment or integrity. Remember, he is the master of the house and as such will always exercise his will with fairness and truthfulness. You have no right to question him.
I had Kellogs Special K (similar to cornflakes) for my breakfast this morning with cold milk and a cup of tea, which I have since spewed up all over my desk after reading the rest of this thread! Glad to see everyone on form and TC tradition is not being veered from - have a nice weekend everyone amd enjoy your breakfasts
Just a thought - what would a "formal" breakfast be?
The sort you have at a posh business type hotel, where you help yourself, and no-one talks to anyone else and the crisp white napkins are the size of a bed sheet!!
I think your story is a very interesting! I picked out this single line because I really recognize this, for my self and for other woman I know.
Turkish lovers are far more possesive than western lovers. Possesiveness is seen as something bad within a relation (at least in Holland). So everybody does his best to be as less possesive as possible. Jealousy is seen as something to be ashamed of.
But: me and other girls I spoke who have/had a Turkish lover in some way like this possesivness! I think it feels like protection! When we talk about this with eachother we're supprized about our own feelings, because it's in our values not to be possesive: because of the freedom, equality and independent values (wich are the most important ones, at least in Holland).
Are freedom and protection paradoxal?
I personally think that possessiveness and jealousy are big problems in a relationship, what ever the country of origin and something I will never understand! Why have you just quoted Holland? Possessiveness and jealousy are personality traits which maybe more prevalent in some countries than others. Some people think you can't have love with out either of the two, but I believe you can't have love with them!
I don't understand Aenigma why you said that this video is anti-Islam? It said nothing about Islam, but about somebody deciding what he will do despite his job duties. We can question the bias of Fox news, but there is no question that the UK is probably the best example of how the West failed to defend its values and is becoming dangerously radicalized. There are MANY other sources that prove this. I'm sure you've heard of Londonistan.
I have to agree with you to a certain extent, but to tell what is really going on in our country would not really benefit anyone and we would be labelled racist. Sadly we have to learn to live with it, changing government would not do a thing!
But, I do agree with the facts of the story. If cop doesn't want to perform his assignment, he should be suspended from duty...
Please read my post Keith - he did perform his assignment.
Sorry Aenigma, but what you say is correct!!!! The facts have been cleverly (or not so cleverly) massaged ....................
It was his line manager/s (as we call them these days) that made the decision - not him. And it was not that much of a news story either, but Britian has gone mad, many many years ago and that always makes me wonder why people want to come and live here. You will only find one country that is more politically correct and that is USA!! It all went wrong for me when they banned the word 'golly wog' .....
I am pleased to say that I did not see any CROCS for sale in Oludeniz!! I hate them!! They are so ugly, the footwear of the surgeon originally, I used to wear something similar when I worked in an operating theatre years ago!
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks that crocs look ugly!!!
When we were on holiday this summer, all the females we were away with were trying to get crocs and I was just thinking "WHY???"
Myself, I have just found that eBay has lots of cute boots and shoes in my size
ANYWAYS! You can respond to the previous post and what not, but hmm... Let's see. Anyone got any game ideas? ^ ^
And please don't compare me to another. I don't even know anyone except maybe one. Ok go wild! I'm gonna explore Turkey with all my heart!
There should not be an 'S' on the word anyway!!! Dictionaries have added it because so many people say it with an S but it is wrong, wrong, WRONG!
Just a pet peeve of mine and since we can discuss ANYTHING here....thought I'd comment on it.
I thought this "anyways" business started in English slang, from some TV programme we have here! Something like "neways" and "yous" just meaning you, and aks instead of ask.................... grumble grumble grumble!!!!
I'm a teenage american girl who does not want to learn the Turkish language(s) for I am taking Spanish right now. I do not want help on my Spanish for it would distrupt my schooling, but if anyone could please give me any info on Turkey such as the best sights, ruins, and especially history. Most preferably of Mursili II about his ruling and the wars that went on, like links or anything. I'm facinated about the history, the ruins. I'm more of a natural gal so I don't usually like busyy places, but they can be fun. I want to know of the Turkish people that live there and such. Please let me know and if you need help with english(you have to know enough to speak it at least a bit) I can help with that. Any other random thoughts you would like to put in, feel free! This post is for anything, but if you want me to input and understand please try to speak English. Lol. ok bye
I think everything you ask for is on this site somewhere, and more............ have a look at the essays for a start, then try searching which you will find in the TC link on the left. In the meantime, I hope you find what you are after.
A non-speaking department?????? EEEEEKK! Heard of non-smoking, like most of UK now and no moblie phones, but NON-SPEAKING?? WOW
Yes. It has the word 'Silence' on the windows, and you can only whisper if you're lucky I had a man pointing at the sign when my and Ferman started talking!! It is meant for people who want to sleep or study, but it really sucks because the trains are so full that you cant pick where to sit, so you end up in a silent environment when you want to talk and in a noisy one when you want to read.
The funny thing was that there was a man in business class talking so lou don the phone, you could here it in the silence department loud and clear
Now if there was a "no farting" sign I could understand.............
First they displayed the coming train wrong, so I took a wrong one and had to change rails (how doyou say that in English?) after half an hour, to end up in a train that was delayed so that by the time I arrived at Schiphol my next train had taken off. After waiting and getting on the next one, it turned out I had missed the bus aswell. Its just a 15-minute walk, but the bus is just in 2 minutes when its on time.
On the way back me and my friend accidentally ended up in a non-speaking department of the train, so after half an hour of not speaking I had to get off to catch another train, which was so full that there was no place left to sit for half an hour!
A non-speaking department?????? EEEEEKK! Heard of non-smoking, like most of UK now and no moblie phones, but NON-SPEAKING?? WOW
3) NO to posting messages just to get up the TC scoring system
I've heard this comment before but it always makes me laugh. Why on earth would anyone want to 'get up the scoring system'! Is there a big prize we are all unaware of?
NO to obsessive use of smilies - just to jet up the TC scoring
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Cat Stevens (1967)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by The Koobas (1968)
First Cut Is the Deepest by Keith Hampshire (1973)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Rod Stewart (1976)
The First Cut is the Deepest by Martin Simpson (1983)
First Cut Is the Deepest by Bad Manners (1993)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Haddaway (1995)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by The Countdown Singers (1996)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Bonfire (1998)
First Cut Is the Deepest by Eddy (200 The First Cut Is the Deepest by Scott Laurent (2001)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Sheryl Crow (2003)
And where is my version? You have forgotten to add it!
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Pagliaccio (12 Sept 2007 Wed)
Complain to the internet! They have missed you off - so have ITunes. But at least we all know now ........... please put your version on YouTube without fail hadi!! hadi!!
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Cat Stevens (1967)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by The Koobas (1968)
First Cut Is the Deepest by Keith Hampshire (1973)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Rod Stewart (1976)
The First Cut is the Deepest by Martin Simpson (1983)
First Cut Is the Deepest by Bad Manners (1993)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Haddaway (1995)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by The Countdown Singers (1996)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Bonfire (1998)
First Cut Is the Deepest by Eddy (200 The First Cut Is the Deepest by Scott Laurent (2001)
The First Cut Is the Deepest by Sheryl Crow (2003)
Blimey, Paglia, how old are you? I thought I was old and I don't remember the Cat (Yusuf) Stevens version, only Rods! But here is the list of who and when!!
Should I feel honoured that I am first to be mentioned?
Yes, yes! Because you, as fas as I remember, are the first cut, hence the deepest!
Puzzled, enlighten me
the first cut is the deepest
i would have given you all of my heart
but there's someone who's torn it apart
and she's taken just all that i had
but if you want i'll try to love again
baby.. i'll try to love again but i know
the first cut is the deepest
baby i know the first cut is the deepest
but when it comes to being lucky she's cursed
when it comes to loving me she's the worst
i still want you by my side
just to help me dry the tears that i've cried
and i'm sure going to give you a try
and if you want i'll try to love again
baby i'll try to love again but i know
the first cut is the deepest
baby i know the first cut is the deepest
but when it comes to being lucky she's cursed
when it comes to loving me she's the worst
i still want you by my side
just to help you dry the tears that i've cried
but i'm sure gonna give you a try
'cause if you want i'll try to love again
baby i'll try to love again but i know
the first cut is the deepest
baby i know the first cut is the deepest
when it comes to being lucky she's cursed
when it comes to loving me she's the worst
cat stevens
Ahhhhh we are talking songs!! Then how about Rod Stewart? Who was first - Cat or Rod, I am off to find out!!
Coming down some steps today from an office into the street, (in London), I majestically caught the heel of my shoe in the other trouser leg and had to leap from the step into the street, (to avoid landing flat on my face) in front of several workmen! Not one made a comment and I walked away smiling at myself ...............
Let's describe one another under this thread! The first one is from me:
libralady - the detective, executive director and viewer of and the London reporter responsible for the events in the "Deleted User Section".
Should I feel honoured that I am first to be mentioned? As it happens I have been to London today,. and I have nothing to report expect everyone is out running in London, in their lunch hour
09:30 The opening speech by pagliaccio
11:00 Coffee break
12:00 Dance show by aenigma
12:01 Lunch
13:30 Tea break
14:00 To Understand Pavorotti's Ugliness by Libralady
15:00 Tea break
15:30 Fashion show by Bod and his team
17:00 Coffee break
18:00 Unforgatable songs by gezbelle and girleegirl
20:00 The closure speech by pagliaccio
21:00 Pavorotti's Concert (at the Hell Stadium)
Bod's fashion show!! I can't wait - would the team include Flossdog??
I think you have your information slighltly wrong there! 29 hours delay going out and 22 hours coming home and BA staff that could not care less - and yes they do have their own terminal, but I flew from Terminal 4 and it was worse than a cattle market on a busy day. I will never ever fly with BA or their franchises again. You get free drinks on any flight outside the EU that is over about 3 hours, so that one gets knocked on the head.
Please tell me what superior service is made up of? I failed to notice any............. when you have been sitting on the runway for over 4 hours waiting to take off in a broken down plane, you expect a little more than superior service - at least have a crew member that speaks Turkish or Arabic! Instead don't rely on a passenger to translate. And now I have to 'be patient' and wait at least 28 days to see if I am entitled to compensation. A big OFFFFFFFFFFF to BA
And to top it, one girl and her sisters lost ALL their luggage!
p.s. I have to negotiate about half of M25 before I get to the airport - it can take anywhere from 2½ hours to 5 hours!!
(And Aenigma,. you wonder why I had the hump when I came back - now you know!!!!!!!)
God - you really are "on one" lately aren't you. Well how can my "information be slightly wrong" when all of us can only talk of our OWN experiences!! I have always had great flights with BA, check in online, dump baggage, no queues, nice staff etc. However, I had horrendous experiences with Thomas Cook airlines, which other people really praise here. It's the luck of the draw
Anyway, you seem to be one of those people who are only happy when they have something to complain about, so your experience should keep you happy for months!
Personally, the best airlines I have flown with are Cathay Pacific and Virgin - but then both of those were first class
Actually that is only a small part of the eventful journey we had, and the best airline I have flown with "Cathy Pacific". By the way, I love your analysis of me!!
Apparently I am in the bathtub with another man - I now have blonde hair and he looks about 20 years younger than me - so there is hope for me yet!! (yes I checked up on myself)
yes BA do have a pretty bad record when it comes to losing baggage.I would not like that to happen to me!I am flying from manchester to ankara via istanbul with turkish airlines on wednesday.Personally i find it annoying that i can only get a direct flight to ankara from London which obviously increases my travel costs not to mention the inconvenience of it so i end up doing one stop in istanbul.How rude.
Offfffffffff its the norm for ME Everytime I have to fly it means an hours boat trip and 3 hours taxi trip before I even reach the airport! Count your blessings
BA are still great (despite the luggage 'problem'). They have their own terminal plus you get free drinks and superior service in economy! What more can a girl ask for
I think you have your information slighltly wrong there! 29 hours delay going out and 22 hours coming home and BA staff that could not care less - and yes they do have their own terminal, but I flew from Terminal 4 and it was worse than a cattle market on a busy day. I will never ever fly with BA or their franchises again. You get free drinks on any flight outside the EU that is over about 3 hours, so that one gets knocked on the head.
Please tell me what superior service is made up of? I failed to notice any............. when you have been sitting on the runway for over 4 hours waiting to take off in a broken down plane, you expect a little more than superior service - at least have a crew member that speaks Turkish or Arabic! Instead don't rely on a passenger to translate. And now I have to 'be patient' and wait at least 28 days to see if I am entitled to compensation. A big OFFFFFFFFFFF to BA
And to top it, one girl and her sisters lost ALL their luggage!
p.s. I have to negotiate about half of M25 before I get to the airport - it can take anywhere from 2½ hours to 5 hours!!
(And Aenigma,. you wonder why I had the hump when I came back - now you know!!!!!!!)
Let's not get Pavarotti out of context! He certainly DID NOT have the greatest voice in the world, he was not the best tenor. He was also a rather unpleasant man, particularly in his later years.
However, he did bring opera to the "masses" so he deserves credit for that.
He is the most well known tenor in the world maybe..but certainly not the greatest
Knew him personally did you? I thought he was fat and ugly but I loved his voice! Listen rather than watch sort of chap
Uhmmmm........... So now God is a woman and there was me thinking that he was a big fat man, a bit like Pavarotti with a big white beard and lives in the clouds :-S (cuckoo, cuckoo!!)
galvanneal - to coat steel surface with zinc-iron alloy (çelik yüzeyini demir-çinko alaşımıyla kaplama)
English word is "galvanise"
Ah, wait! You mean "galvanneal" isn't an english word? Actually when I learned its meaning, I exactly remember "galvanise" as well. But then thought they might be synonymous.
Not one that I have heard of but then I am not in the steel industry - I will check for you later.
It is not an English term but an American term meaning "to galvanise something" It has been galvanealed! In England we just say "galvanised"
galvanneal - to coat steel surface with zinc-iron alloy (çelik yüzeyini demir-çinko alaşımıyla kaplama)
English word is "galvanise"
Ah, wait! You mean "galvanneal" isn't an english word? Actually when I learned its meaning, I exactly remember "galvanise" as well. But then thought they might be synonymous.
Not one that I have heard of but then I am not in the steel industry - I will check for you later.
This is the email I received - just found it so I thought I would post!!
British Airways' franchise agreement with BMED finishes on 27 October 2007, and I would like to let you know about how this will affect your future travel arrangements on these routes.
Until 27 October, all BMED flights will continue to operate as normal.
From 28 October, all BMED services will be operated by bmi and will move from their current base at London Heathrow Terminal 4 to London Heathrow Terminal 1. BMED flights arriving at London Heathrow on 28 October will arrive into London Heathrow Terminal 1. British Airways will codeshare with bmi when the franchise terminates* and its flight numbers, currently listed as BA6500-6699, will change to BA7500-7599.
If you have booked a flight on or after 28 October we will contact you separately to advise you of the changes to your journey.
For further information please visit http://www.ba.com
BMED already did have a direct flight, a franchise of BA, but that franchise is now being dis-banded - guess when!! 29th October, so I guess the new franchise is with BMI. And bearing in mind that BA have a horrendous record of losing baggage and delayed cancelled flights, beware!!!!!! Turkish airlines also fly direct.
'X's long-term forecast was lower at around 600m t/y.'
'lower' and 'at' confuse me! Please help. Can anyone re-write this by changing the order?
Tahnk you in advance,
This is fine.
'X's long-term forecast was lower at around 600m t/y.'
The 'lower at' is OK, just means the X's long-term forcast was lower (than Y's forecast) at ...........
or it is lower than a previous year or month
It assumes the reader knows what the forecast is lower than. It is probably stated somewhere else in the text, maybe in the previous sentance or paragraph.
Thanks, but please point out that I NEVER wrote the phrase you have quoted! And this is just the thing that makes you feel you have come back to a big sink full of dirty washing up.
Dont worry LL, anyone who knows you would guess that you would NEVER say such a thing to me . Glad to see you have come back from your break in good humour....
Anyway, its great to be back from my 2 week break - I really missed you AEnigma. I wish I was part of your gang . I am so curious about it... curiosity killed the cat............
Awwwww that's very nice of your LL - I know you want to join my gang, but unfortunately you are just not "up to scratch" yet
What????????????????
Thanks, but please point out that I NEVER wrote the phrase you have quoted! And this is just the thing that makes you feel you have come back to a big sink full of dirty washing up.
Why all the fuss, you don't have to look at it. It is only a photo.
But how would you know whether or not you want to look until you have looked......
Puzzle of the day for Sunday I guess!! Maybe there is a hint in the opening post "new picture", so immediately everyone has a look! Curiosity killed the cat............
is there any difference showing picture here or going around beach?
Actually there is a BIG difference! If I wear a bikini its for the purpose of getting as much as my body tanned as possible! I dont wear it to show others what wonderful body I have
Don't you see the difference?
I surely can see the differnce especially seeing the european women taking off the tops on beaches in Bodrum, trying to get much to get tanned. What a world.
Why all the fuss, you don't have to look at it. It is only a photo.
My indulgence has been severely "clipped" since I started a new job on Monday! No MSN, no gmail, no yahoo, no Turkish Class, in fact nothing except to do with work. Good thing the job is not boring
If an American guy or woman tells you he loves you after a few days, he is considered PSYCHO and you drop them immediately. Or you figure they are saying that to get you to have sex with them.
i'm going to turkey next week and my friend asked if i could bring her some bacon, can anyone tell me if am i allowed to bring meat into the country? thanks!
I haven't read the whole thread, so this could have been answered in total already, but you are not allowed to take meat into ANY country!!!!! Or dairy products, seeds (as in germinating seeds) and many other things, of which there are signs posted in all airports.
I am sure you can buy bacon in Turkey, there is plenty of bacon from Asda or Tesco's in resorts, to satify the need of the UK holiday maker, desperate for his daily bacon fix!
Inspired by a thread about taking bacon to Turkey, here are 5 foods food I would miss, if I lived in a different country and it could not be bought there (in order of importance).
1) Marmite
2) Cathedral City Cheese
3) Branston Pickle
4) Bacon (for those bacon sandwiches that are used as hangover cure!)
5) Thick cut marmalade
I don't have a head for heights either, but I ski black runs, and hike high mountains, and I can run off a mountain and fly like a bird, but I cannot climb a ladder or stand of the edge of a cliff, or look over a high bridge!
Funny thing is, head for heights or not, it does not matter paragliding. You do it once and you want to go again!
Here is a footy fact from the UK premiership! The Premier League Currently has 330 foreign players with Arsenal at the top with 22 (two wholes teams of foreign players). The UK FA are spending more money and effort in attracting overseas players and scouting for young talent in other countries rather than our own, therefore we will never ever win the World Cup again. The latest Man Utd signing, a 9 year old Australian Boy!!
I think LL mean't the English Premiership. Up here in Scotland my team play in the Scottish Premier league and finished 3rd last year behind Celtic and Rangers.On Sunday we used 14 players 13 of whom were Scots and 1 Englishman.Our opponents fielded 9 foreign players.Mind you we have only 1 point from 2 games
Yes English, sorry slip of the keyboard! And now Rooney has broken a bone in his foot again..................
That was an interesting video, goes well with Libralady's new essay.. Thanks for posting it. I wonder how much it costs...
LP says it costs between 78 and 111 euro, depending of the experience of the pilot in Oludeniz, in Kars they charge 100 euro for 20-30 minutes. I couldn't find a price in Kayseri.
Prices were in sterling in Oludeniz, and we paid about £60. Our pilots were very experienced and mine was an instructor too. We were quoted prices from £40 to £80. We chose our company because we got the best attention from them, felt they were more honest than some. The flight lasted me 50 min and my husband flight was about 40 min, because he was longer taking off and he wanted a spin, which takes you down faster. The price also reflected where you took off from, and in our price we took off from the highest point possible, 1980m.
I am pleased to say that I did not see any CROCS for sale in Oludeniz!! I hate them!! They are so ugly, the footwear of the surgeon originally, I used to wear something similar when I worked in an operating theatre years ago!
Here is a footy fact from the UK premiership! The Premier League Currently has 330 foreign players with Arsenal at the top with 22 (two wholes teams of foreign players). The UK FA are spending more money and effort in attracting overseas players and scouting for young talent in other countries rather than our own, therefore we will never ever win the World Cup again. The latest Man Utd signing, a 9 year old Australian Boy!!
Major Find at Sagalassos August 2, 2007
Photos courtesy Sagalassos Archaeological Research Project
Colossal statue of the emperor Hadrian discovered
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A huge, exquisitely carved marble statue of the Roman emperor Hadrian is the latest find from Sagalassos, an ancient Greco-Roman city in south-central Turkey. Archaeologists estimate that the figure was originally between 13 and 16 feet in height (four to five meters). It is, says excavation director Marc Waelkens, one of the most beautiful portraits of Hadrian ever found.
The discovery was made by archaeologists from the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven (Belgium), who, under Waelkens' direction, have been investigating the site since 1990. Last month a new excavation campaign started, and the Belgians resumed work at the Roman Bath, focusing on the southeastern corner of the complex.
On Sunday the first fragments of a over life-size statue, a foot and part of a leg, were unearthed. The foot is 31.5 inches (0.80 meters) long; the leg, from just above the knee to the ankle, is nearly five feet (1.5 meters). The elaborate sandal depicted on the footed indicated to the archaeologists that the fragments were from the statue of an emperor. On Monday, the almost intact head of the statue was discovered, revealing that the statue was of Hadrian, who ruled from A.D. 117 to 138. The head measures more than 27 inches (0.70 meters).
Construction of the bath complex in Sagalassos was started during Hadrian's reign, though the building was finished only several decades later. The bath complex is one of several major building projects at Sagalassos that can be dated to the time of Hadrian and the city had a sanctuary of the imperial cult dedicated to Hadrian and his successor Antoninus Pius.
The statue probably dates from the beginning of Hadrian's rule. For updates on the current excavation campaign, including any additional finds related to the Hadrian statue, see the Interactive Dig, City in the Clouds.
There was a big article in the Independent about this. And of course, Hadrian was responsible for building a wall across the top of England to keep the Sasanacks out. Alot of it has been destroyed, as much of it has been stolen! But there is an undamaged section in the middle. You can also walk the distance.
What is left is now a UNESCO world heritage site. The original wall as some 80 (Roman)miles long, 117 km and was built at the narrowest part of England, from the east coast, Wallsend to the West Coast, Solway Firth.
I agree with your correction and suggest-
(1) Dear Sir/Madam
(3) Yours faithfully
If you use Dear Sir, then you shoud match it with Yours Sincerely. "Yours Faithfully" should only be used when you know the name of the person you are writing to and start the letter "Dear Mr name".
Traditionally "Dear Sir" has been the correct start (where the person's name is not known) but recently "Dear Sir/Madam" has become more common although personally I never use it.
Oooops Bodkins! It is the other way round - Dear Sir / Madam = Yours faithfully and Dear Name = Yours sincerely
The moral of this story is dance with a stilt and not a false leg
havent seen any false leg! have you?
the morale is: dont moan, carry on, do better!
Actually, Heather Mills McCartney (once wife of Sir Paul McCartney once of the Beatles) was dancing in a competition on TV and her false leg came off and slide across the floor.
My admiration goes to anyone with disabilities who carries on and achieves in a world of able bodied people. Then there are the ones that get no regonition at all, in fact they are forgotten because they are disabled..............
My son works with two Polish lads that have come to the UK to work. They are great lads, despite their over indulgence of vodka that is strong enough to clean your silver.
There is a great allegiance with the UK and Poles, since the Second World War.
My sister-in-law used a dating site to find her current husband, in the UK and two years later the marriage is on the rocks! But then who ever she married would regret it.
Space, we like our personal space, not like Chinese people who like to crowd together. If someone stands to close to me, I step back.
How we relate to each, we are either individualistic or collective to some degree or another, a very wide spectrum to choose from. From memory, Americans (not native Americans) are the most individualistic and Chinese / Japanese are the most collective.
Ask the Chinese in Hong Kong: do you like to be crowded?
I think most of us will tell you, we don't like to crowd together, but we have no choice! You know how small our city is! We like space very very much, which is so precious and priceless here in Hong Kong.
I can only say that Chinese are very family-oriented. Don't know whether this kind of strong family tie or relative/folk bonding is the "collectiveness" you were referring to.
Being crowded and being close together are separate things. When I say space I mean personal space. Yes that is what I meant by collectiveness.
Yes, I would identify myself as coming from the East, while hearing someone having difficulties in drawing the line.
Hong Kong, having so long history of being a British colony, is in fact quite "westernized". Though the majority here is Chinese. We are privileged to have both western and chinese festivals...that mean quite a lot of holidays and celebrations.
New Year, Easter, Christmas as well as the Valentine's, Mother's or Father's days are very much celebrated. On the other hand we have Lunar New Year and many other traditional Chinese festivals(e.g. one having dragon boats' racing) are also major holidays. If you got a chance to stay in HK for one year, you will be very impressed about the above celebrations.
We enjoy both Chinese and Western cuisines here. In fact you can say we have all kinds of "fusion" dishes which are so good.
Ummm, there are many to talk about...so what would you all like to know?
This is a very good example of "alculturation", how one culture changes another, quite extremely so. But if I am not wrong, the culture in Hong Kong is changing slightly back again? And two cutlures sit comfortably side by side - Western Culture with Eastern culture?
İ dont want to fully understand a culture LL,i dont want to study it,i want to live it from your words,from what you live day to day life,what you feel about it,the warmth the people talk about it here,the good things that you live it and cant read about it.
As femme said,i could've google it,but i wouldnt believe everything i read,i asked because i couldnt believe all the bad things i,ve read too,and saw in YOUR Media.
İ said our Media because its our channels,but its your movies and your programs.
İm here making same mistake again,and saying yours,its USA movies and programs,not UK.
İf you opened the satellite,and watch any foreign movie, you wouldnt see anything except the American ones,we've brought up on them,even we cant see others now without feeling we watch a strange movie !
And you know something,you have hit on a huge button here LL
What is the West to us ?
You know what,the West to us is USA,and all other countries are just alike.
Short minded thing to say,because there is even differences in each country,but,what we know about you,is what you send to us,so we know alot about USA 'maybe not all true,but its alot'
We know some about France too,she got its own Media 'movies...ect'
We know much about Italy and Greece,because somehow they are similar to us ,'Mediterraneans'
mmm but come to think of it,that is it, we dont know about other countries except they are similar to USA.
I have given this some more thought, I am not at work you see, so today I have some time on my hands!!
When I said about studying culture, I did not mean you spefically, as 'you' means anyone! Sorry that sounds a bit confusing but I am sure you know what I mean.
When I did my business degree I had a whole module on Culture, because when you travel abroad on business you have to understand some of the idiosyncrasies of that country.
Alot of the above posts relate to traditions often relating to specific religions, such as Christmas, Easter, etc, but culture is much wider and it is also how someone relates to each other, to time, to space, to colour, body language and so on.
So on that note, in the UK, we are obsessed with time, when you watch the news, they tell you the time every few minutes, to the minute on the radio too. We are generally very punctual and hate being late for anything, always on time for meetings (oh yes there are exceptions!!!)
Space, we like our personal space, not like Chinese people who like to crowd together. If someone stands to close to me, I step back.
Colour, mourning is tradionally black, red roses are for love, white lilys signify death, but in Islam, I believe mourning is white?
How we relate to each, we are either individualistic or collective to some degree or another, a very wide spectrum to choose from. From memory, Americans (not native Americans) are the most individualistic and Chinese / Japanese are the most collective.
Then you have the sub-cultures within a specific country, for instance, as I mentioned, indigenous groups such as the Native Americans, Aboringines, Maoris, Gipseys and other ethnic groups.
Then we have the influence of one culture onto another, as you mentioned your English speaking films are all American, the influence such companies as MacDonalds, Coke a Cola, Pepsi, Nike, etc etc have on a country causes alcuturation as the host country takes on those new concepts. Their culture is subtly changed.
I hope that has given you an idea of what I meant!
Well I have exhausted myself for one post - my record I think, never before have I written one so long and some of you I guess are saying well I hope never again!
You have hit on a huge subject Canli and to fully understand culture, you need to have studied it. No-one here can give you a full understanding of their culture and I am even suprised to think that you consider the "West" to be all the same. Who are the west?
İ dont want to fully understand a culture LL,i dont want to study it,i want to live it from your words,from what you live day to day life,what you feel about it,the warmth the people talk about it here,the good things that you live it and cant read about it.
As femme said,i could've google it,but i wouldnt believe everything i read,i asked because i couldnt believe all the bad things i,ve read too,and saw in YOUR Media.
İ said our Media because its our channels,but its your movies and your programs.
İm here making same mistake again,and saying yours,its USA movies and programs,not UK.
İf you opened the satellite,and watch any foreign movie, you wouldnt see anything except the American ones,we've brought up on them,even we cant see others now without feeling we watch a strange movie !
And you know something,you have hit on a huge button here LL
What is the West to us ?
You know what,the West to us is USA,and all other countries are just alike.
Short minded thing to say,because there is even differences in each country,but,what we know about you,is what you send to us,so we know alot about USA 'maybe not all true,but its alot'
We know some about France too,she got its own Media 'movies...ect'
We know much about Italy and Greece,because somehow they are similar to us ,"Mediterraneans"
mmm but come to think of it,that is it, we dont know about other countries except they are similar to USA.
I didn't mean it quite like you have taken it!!!! But there nevermind.
My parents and I moved from Surheim, Bavaria to a small village town west of Minneapolis a month before my 5th birthday. It was at that time made up of all German immigrants, my family being one of the last German families to immigrate there. Then and to this day, most of our community life revolves around the church and the outdoors. Sundays, you went to mass in the morning (still in German) and afterwards, either my mother or another relative would make sunday dinner for 20-30 people. Was always 2 meats, a ham and a beef roast, several hot dishes (known as casseroles in the rest of america), homemade bread and desserts. The women would be in the kitchen, the men would be in the garage or the backyard and the kids would be everywhere.
During the week, mother would make 3 or 4 meals everyday. We started each day with a breakfast of bread, cheese, eggs and jams before my father went to work. My mother would then start cooking for dinner about 1.00 for the nightly dinner which was always meat, potatos, a vegetable, homemade bread and dessert. We would usually eat this about 17.00. We would then have a small dinner each night before bed (between 10.00 and 11.0, much like breakfast. Bread, cold meats, cheeses and coffee. Most nights, we would have friends over , a neighbor or other family members.
The area was full of lakes and woods, so then as today, our daily life was greatly affected by the outdoors and nature. We fished year round, 3 or 4 days a week in our canoes or off shore. In the winter, we drilled holes in the thick ice and built small houses on the lakes so we could fish in temperatures as cold as -40 and -50. When we werent fishing we were skating and playing hockey.
Holidays were much the same as Sunday dinners except rather than 30 people gathering, it was closer to 60. Christmas and Easter was always ham, with German style sidedishes. And of course our traditional Thanksgiving dinner was Turkey like all other Americans. During the summers, our area of minnesota was one festival after another, almost always with a German Theme. Every town had 2 or 3 festivals in the summer and fall so other than our own, we would go to other towns on saturdays for events such as bayernfest, sommerfest, zummerfest, Stiftungsfest, Oktoberfest.
Well AEnigma,that is really lovely,we do this too,we make big family dinner and gather everytime in a different house too.
How about food ? what is your Traditional food there ?
Assuming you are talking about traditional English food?
Roast dinners such as lamb beef and chicken and pork always used to be eaten on a Sunday, because people were very poor and could only afford one good meal a week. Normally it would be eaten with some vegetables what ever is in season or grown at home and potatoes, mashed or roast.
Fish would always be eaten on Friday (something to do with religion).
But I still cook traditional food, Shepherds pie, toad in the hole (sausages with yorkshire pudding), beef stew, pork chops, lambs chops, fish pie etc etc and I also cook continental food too.
I forgot to mention the most traditional dish of all - Fish and Chips wrapped in old newspaper with loads of salt and vinegar!!
Now traditional food is gradually becoming none existant - Indian, Chinese, Italian, Turkish take-a-ways, fast food from the USA MacDonlads, Pizza Hut, Frankie and Bennies. Kentucky fried chicken as now some people staple diet - that is why obesity is a massive problem. Go into any supermarket and buy your meals already done for you, just put in the oven or microwave.
Traditions in my country (England) have been erroded over many years, mainly I think due to changes in our society and our values, and mass immigration, which is now esculating. I recently saw a programme about Slough. A typical middle England town, close to what we call silicone valley, and one school had 70 different nationalties in it.
Everytime some nation comes to our country they bring a bit of their's with it. And then there is the goernment pally pally with USA and the stores, such as B & Q and WallMart who are trying to change our shopping habits to become more like American and you know what? We succumb to it.
You have hit on a huge subject Canli and to fully understand culture, you need to have studied it. No-one here can give you a full understanding of their culture and I am even suprised to think that you consider the "West" to be all the same. Who are the west?
I think you share hicrans's differentiation problem.
Maybe because I am not in the slightest religious and to me it is a discussion about another topic. So long as no buns get thrown......................
I have not been around here much recently - lack of motivation as I could not forsee another visit to Turkia But now we are definately visiting next summer I have revived enthusiasm! We might even be visiting Turkia before next summer
Glad you are back with renewed vigor! Your sense of humour has been missed (by me anyway : )
hicran,
You obviously can not differentiate between what is insulting, and what is not.
Can you pls keep religious issues out of this panel? That will be much safer.....
I dont think he/she has been insulting. Certainly not me anyway.
I half agree with you Alpha, but at least this discussion has remained just that, not a few weeks ago, all hell would have been let loose, with hurtful and spiteful remarks being tossed around. I think this discussion is respectful and people are asking questions because they are interested. I am happy to read such a thread, so long a people who answer the questions do not become too pious. But like all good discussions, they reach their conclusion.
my father doesn't like rings. as far as I know, he never had ring.
I don't like them too. In my previous marriage I had one on my left hand when I was out, but the moment I arrived home I took it off (no problem with my ex who disliked them as well - so why we ever bought them, beats me...). So I guess no more engagement or wedding for me?
Same here! I only wear my wedding ring and that is it. My husband never had a ring, we just bought a carpet with the money when we got married. Far more useful. Anyway, in the UK, it is only in the last 20 or so years that men started to wear wedding rings, but still not common.
These contests for memorizing the Koran is one of the problems the military has with the AK Parti and Erdogan. They don't feel that this should be taught and encouraged in public school. Only privated schools.
I guess you must have read that somewhere, and felt compelled to share it on this thread. How relevant.
I take this as Keith making a comment and that is all. It is part of the understanding of us non-Muslims. Broadens our horizons. If you think this is not relevant, then you have a look at some of the old threads!!!!!
I would be interested to know how much pressure is on a child (not sure at what age) to memorise the Koran. It is a choice that is made by the individual? I am talking about Turkey, not other Islamic countries.
Sure we can have insurance for any thing, but the main problem is shortage of dentists! We just don't have enough to go round. If you need to change your dentist because you move, no hope!
We have private dentists who charge extortionate fees and we also have national health dentists who charge, but it is like a conveyor belt system, one in one out!
I had heard the Turkish dentists are some of the best in the world.
We have a big problem in this country with Dentists. We just don't have enough of them. Also it is very expensive. Just for a check up it will cost in the region of £20, a check that last all of 30 seconds. Root canal treatment you are looking at £hundreds. Implants, £thousand's.
People from the UK are willing to travel to Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland and Turkey for dental treatment.
I was wondering what the dental treatment in Turkey is like and example of costs. Might be a good excuse to make a trip
so other than being a rep, what jobs can english people get in turkey? i have tried searching the internet but its only english teacher jobs that seem to come up!
It might be wise if you research into the work permit siutation first before you try and get any jobs. That then my lead you to your solution.
Some jobs I have heard English girls getting are mostly working in the tourist industry, anything from a rep, selling property, selling tours, working in a shop, doing nails - that sort of thing, and then it would only be seasonal. Or working in their husband business, if he has one. I think if you tried to get a job in say on office or something like that, you would need fluent Turkish.
This is all hearsay, so some in depth research is necessary I think.
But I think your other question is why would you want to live a long life? You are young so have a different outlook than me. I am closer to 40 than to 20 so I assure you I want to live another 40 years at least! Inşallah...
May I ask why you want that long life? Anything that you wish to do in life ahead? Do you think you will enjoy it?
I saw in the States many elder people...can't imagaine if I were one of them...
If I could be happy, maybe another 5 years more would be enough...hahaha
I for one would be happy to live until 100 so long as I had my health.
In the UK you must have life insurance if you have a loan or mortgage, just in case you die whilst you are still paying it off. It is also sensible to have life insurance if you are self-employed.
After you are 65 you can no longer have life insurance as a separate insurance. Normally if we have a pension, then this is covered by life insurance and my salary is also covered. If I should die then my husband would get twice my salary, as he is self-employed, and also my pension. If he died then I would get nothing, only what his pension would pay out.
Life expectancy in the UK is something like mid 70's and I know in Turkey it is around 65 ish, but there are always those who go beyond that. All except one of my grand parents died in their 90's and my great grandmother was 98.
Trouble is when you can least afford it you need it and when you can afford you don't need it! Catch 22!!!!
bir şey değil serdar
well, we know everyone knows only sad and unfortunate news about Iraq so I wanted to publish this joyful news
I agree and they managed this with death threats, I believe one of the coaches was kidnapped and has not been seen since, also the car bomb after they reached the semi's which killed 60 people. I call this success through adversity in it's extreme!
I am pleased you mention Hong Kong - I love it equally to Turkey! It is a fascinating place, full of intrigue, mystery and excitment! But it is of course much smaller and can easily be explored in a few days! To me the things I miss most about Hong Kong is the smell, the sound of the crossings, the bussle of a busy business day and even the suit sellers!
But Turkey being such a huge diverse country, there is so much to explore with such beautiful geology and geographical wonders to see. I don't think I would ever move to another country as I love Englad too much despite the enormity of the recent flooding and other social problems we have.
Besides it is nice to visit somewhere, have a great time, and then go home and tell everyone.
Glad to have you as a guest in HK. Come again! I agree with you that to visit and explore a nice touring country is one thing, to move to that country is totally another thing. I do like Turkey, I will visit again for sure. Yet I will still go back home. It is an irony that while hearing some westerners despising about Turkish (quite a number of them) don't go home when having gone to the West, there are quite some Westerners trying to move to Turkey....
Strangely enough, had it not been my love for Hong Kong then my love for Turkey might not exist now! I met a Turkish man (actually five Turkish men) in Hong Kong at the electronics fair about 2½ years ago. I was invited to visit Istanbul with my husband and from then on my love of Turkey and Turkish people began.
The most important part of travelling alone, is be preared, do your research, look positive, even if you are unsure where you are going. Enjoy the experience!
hi howdy I am really surprised to hear you say there are turkish merhchants and suppliers to the american army in iraq. My bf told me that turkey is against the iraq war, so why would they make money from it?
I guess it is about new establishment
Even though Turkey is against the war, they still have a vested interest. Remember, Turkey and the US have been allies for a long time now. Both countries need each other, like or not. They may not agree with the war, but US & Turkish soldiers have worked together on missions in Iraq in the past. So, it doesn't surprise me at all that there are suppliers.
Fact of life is that many Western countries have a vested interest in various wars around the world, like it nor not, but the original poster is new to this site and I am sure he will not want his post to get embroiled in further war related issues. So please lets give him a welcome.
I don't think it is a case of loving Turkey more than our own nations.
Just loving it a lot, and differently from our own nation.
It is a fascination for the way Turkey manages to mix east and west, and constantly surprise us.
I am curious about those loving Turkey so much that they want to move to Turkey. Despite the cultural, political, religious...difference and the honest advice of some Turkish friends here...
BTW, Hong Kong in also a good example of mixing the east and west. Welcome, and you'll find it also fascinating.
I am pleased you mention Hong Kong - I love it equally to Turkey! It is a fascinating place, full of intrigue, mystery and excitment! But it is of course much smaller and can easily be explored in a few days! To me the things I miss most about Hong Kong is the smell, the sound of the crossings, the bussle of a busy business day and even the suit sellers!
But Turkey being such a huge diverse country, there is so much to explore with such beautiful geology and geographical wonders to see. I don't think I would ever move to another country as I love Englad too much despite the enormity of the recent flooding and other social problems we have.
Besides it is nice to visit somewhere, have a great time, and then go home and tell everyone.
The amusing phrases above are male related, sadly my Turkish is not so good, so perhaps some kind lady who speaks Turkish can come up with some 'useful' excuses, sorry phrases, for the ladies! (I forgot, we don't make excuses )
summi,
you sound like no men ever looks at blonde beautiful women in your country. Then men in your country either have different sexual orientation or must have a genetic disease disabling their testosterone productions..
Another question. How would you feel if men ever don't look/stare at you? Wouldn't that be depressing when you feel you are not attracted to men? Or is there something else with you that makes you hate being stared at by men!?? If you feel that information would be private, then don't worry we would still understand. Private is always private..
How do you know that women never stare at men?
and is there something wrong with that?.. No i don't think so. Men would love to be starred at by women. I would , as a man, personally feel much better when women stare at me.
Am I being a pervert here or just being honest by saying all these??
well, you seem to be young. My recommendation would be
enjoy your hormones while you can. Life is short
If I stare at a man, I make sure I am wearing sun-glasses
Welcome to the site and I hope you manage to learn some Turkish (as difficult as it is ) as there are many topics on here that end up taking up your time
The lessons are very good tho' ............... and there are many helpful people here willing to translate or correct.
Orhan Pamuk! An extraordinarliy boring author.............
I take it as you read only Istanbul, that being the first book you read from his hand? It is a more tough read than all the others I have read, which are most definitely not boring. Istanbul is beautifully written, but I get why some people would get bored from his looong monologues.
You are right! It is so melancholy (his words, not mine ) I am determined to finish it, but I fall asleep after a few pages
How many men would really want 4 wives!! I am sure for most of them, one is sufficient! Just think, all those headaches
Actually maybe it means less headache Wives maybe so occupied with giving headaches to eachother that they may not bother you at all
Seriouslly, just joking ...
Handbags at dawn - it's your turn tonight, no it was my turn last night, so it must your turn tonight. But I have a headache, so perhaps you will take my turn ..............................
Orhan Pamuk! An extraordinarliy boring author............. I am still trying to finish one of his books, about 9 months after I started it, and have read several others (not by him) in the meantime.
I think he's a good writer but I have to admit that I started one of his books and it waits to be finished for months
Quoting aenigma x:
Your country's best selling novelist may be able to return from his exile in the US some day - who knows?
I did not know he was in exile in the USA, because there's no restriction for him to come to Turkey and maybe he's in Turkey, I thought he was in İstanbul. The trial dropped in 2006.
Not saying he is not a good author - just a boring one (in my opinion)! I also read he is exile in the USA but maybe the only person who knows where Orhan Pamuk is is he himself!
For sure Turkey's elections interest foreigners. And it will go on to be like that as long as Turkey is a part of that globe.. -1 Yilgun
Yes maybe they interest us, only because we are interested in Turkey, but I think it is more of a case that it is non of our business. Same as any election in any country - it is the business of those who live there.
Your country's best selling novelist may be able to return from his exile in the US some day - who knows?
Who's he?
Orhan Pamuk! An extraordinarliy boring author............. I am still trying to finish one of his books, about 9 months after I started it, and have read several others (not by him) in the meantime.
The idea of having 4 wives may seem very tempting at first glance, but not if you take time to also consider the 4 mothers-in-law that will come along.
o for 4 wifes but never for 1 mother in law even
Mother-in-laws are the brunt of many jokes - so I am glad I am not one yet!!!!!!
How many wives can a man marry at one time in Turkey?Someone said a Turkish man can marry 4 women.Is it true?
Thank you for your reply.
How many men would really want 4 wives!! I am sure for most of them, one is sufficient! Just think, all those headaches
But more seriously, I know that it is possible to have more than one wife under Islam (but not in Turkey). More likely in countries like Afganistan, Saudi Arabia etc etc. And the wives must be treated fairly, i.e time and money spent on them. In some Islamic countries it is now illegal, Syria and Lebenon and maybe others too.
I read a true story, "Book Seller of Kabul", when the first wife became to old to bear children, the husband then chose another wife, but the first wife also had a say in his choice. And if I remember correctly, she could not bear children so he chose a third.
askim bende öle dusunuyorum ve seni cok sveiyorum gel turkiyeye seni amile tanistiryrim ben senile evelenmek istiyorum senile olmak istiyorum askim aksam ben sana msj atim msnye gir ok alsklin Korkunç bir yolculuk bu...
Dudaklarnda, boynunda, koynunda, gözlerinde, nefesinde dolaşmak ok angel puss
im not sure what it means, but i think it says that im not supposed to message him right now?
Being no expert but am I right in thinking this is a little "risque" in places?
Anyone already bought the newest (latest ) Harry Potter? I haven't yet (no time to read) but I surely will do it in the coming weeks. And yes, I know the end....
Several thousands (not me!) have in the UK, queuing for ridiculous lengths of time, many dressed in "Harry Potter" style outfits - it makes a changed in the news instead of the continual flooding around the country.
finally virginity can be as a holy wealth for some cultures while it hasn't any meaning for others...
Some people may not find this enlightening, but I think this is pretty good: On Culture
And guess what, I am one of those who does not find it enlightening. This person has a bit of an attitude problem I would say! Culture to me is one of the most important aspects of indentity any country can have and makes one country different from the next. It is like people, if we were all the same then how boring would it be, and why do most people travel? I travel to experience different cultures and embrace them. I think it is very sad that countries are losing or having their cultures altered because of globalisation and westernisation.
I ask myself that question everyday. There is a rap song (many perhaps) which says "we want a lady in the street but a freak in the bed". I think that speaks for the way many many man think (sadly including my husband).
thats really sad, I get the feeling it really bothers you. I do know that porno can be no big deal and just something men do when they are lonely, but there are points where it becomes an addiction, just like any other addiction, and it is very common nowadays with everyone having the internet. I also know that it doesn't matter how sexy, or "freaky", or how often you have sex with your man..... it is NOT your fault, it's just an aweful addiction, and the only way to stop it is like any other addiction, the person has to realize it's a problem.
I agree, it has made me feel sad, there is a sadness in the post.
teaschip - I have commited genocide somewhere unknown, seen many dead bodies lying on the ground, and just come here. I am now fearing, suffering, and suffering twinge of conscience. I am losing my balance and hardly standing. Take me by hand, will you teaschip?, or I will fall.
put down the raki bottle Quasi...
Somehow I can drink raki and I can still stand, but red wine?????????? now that is a different story, Keith I need picking up I dont know about have my hand held.......
ouh me too... i wasn't sure if it was spam cuz I thought it was a female.
And being female makes a difference in these days of equality? It is easy to be who ever you want to or pretend to be on the internet. No doubt someone is have a good ol' laugh.
Do you always write about yourself in third person, Charlotte?
I dont know about Charlotte, but Aenigma does it! She is such a beautiful, smart, clever humourous classmate. I really love Aenigma and her posts are the best thing I have ever read...
Aenigma, yeah, Aenigma, but that is su-uch a special person....
Libralady is correct Keith. Its something that she, and a few others here, like to call us when we agree on a topic and when THEY have lost an argument. Its kind of playground rules - when they run out of things to say, they throw a few insults!
Thanks - but you show me where I have thrown any insults are anyone. I take this sort of comment as an insult.
I want to give my opinion just about one point.
Do you consider a man who watches porn as a pervert?
If we're gonna consider the men who watch porn as perverts, then I guess the number of perverts will be very high.
It's open to discussion but according to me watching porn cannot mean necesarily that that man degrades woman in his life.
My opinion too! I would like to know as this thread seems to be on this subject, about women who watch porn and how about women who watch porn with their partners? Are they all perverts?
Anyway, after we had a nights sleep and before we began to travel, he went and bought a gun!
Is there a particular reason why your English friends bought that gun?
I completely agree that the gun laws are extremely sick.
I think he thought we would be easy targets (no pun intended!) and it was to protect us (so he said). But he was encouraged by a police officer, that is the worrying part!
General knowledge to me is all about what you are interested in and I am not interested in that particular subject. Therefore it does not automatically store in my brain. And I wait for the sarcastic response about age etc etc
No sarcasm - just shock. General knowledge is only what you are interested in? Hell! That must make for a very narrow-minded view on life....
Oh well, so be it! Only I know how far my interests go...........and I dont have time to write all about them here
to be parent,migh the most holy but hard mission of life,so have to think thousands times be4 get this great mission,things goin so worse day by day,noone of us don't have any right to give more trouble to society with our a few minutes enjoy.....
I have never had reason to read the bible, and I am an agnostic so therefore I have not encountered these words before. Now I know!
Haven't you ever heard of General Knowledge though? I never had reason to read Harry Potter, but I know its about a wizzard kid
General knowledge to me is all about what you are interested in and I am not interested in that particular subject. Therefore it does not automatically store in my brain. And I wait for the sarcastic response about age etc etc
Maybe I am old, and may I look stupid (gomorrah what is it? :-S ) but I have successfully brought up two sons! The reference above was me and my brother and we were brought up in the 60's, by ultra strict parents when social life was very different to now!
'sodom and gomorrah!' - they say (some shout) seeing a chaos. search in wikipedia.
how can you be sure of bringing up children succesfully?
cant you be modest? cant you say: "i strictly brought up children and i do hope they are good people?"
At 27 and 29 they have never been in trouble with the police, don't take drugs, both went to university and got degrees and are both successful in their jobs. And I was not strict, my parents were.
However your comments regarding getting guns and going to jail and blah blah blah were really a waste of your typing fingers. That was pretty stupid considering I think those things are same all over
A waste of time? Most countries DO NOT have your laws on hand guns! There are few countries which have such a lax attitude to guns as the US. It is very easy to buy a gun in the USA. You must be 18 or over. When you buy a gun from a registered dealer, you have computerised background check. This only takes a few minutes, and you are free to go and shoot who the hell you want!
I will add my experience of going to America to visit Engish friends who have emigrated.
We were going to travel through 10 states, from where they lived in St Louis to Florida, Punta Gorda (actually does not hardly exist now due to the hurricane).
Anyway, after we had a nights sleep and before we began to travel, he went and bought a gun! Just walked into the shop, produced his drivers licence and came out with this magnum! It would blow your brains away. And who suggested to him the model? A police officer friend of his. And is coment was, don't get anything less as it would only tickle the receiver of the bullet.
This loaded gun kept us company in the glove compartment and then in the hotel rooms, as we travelled. I was more scared of that bloody thing than the prospect of being robbed!
Actually I hated America and would never go back. We met some VERY STRANGE people.....................
However, I think if a woman chooses to wear things which are a little more revealing, of course she will get more people looking whether it's her intention or not.
+1. And...equally..if a man were to walk along the street wearing just a thong, he would get comments and attention too.......
Well, when I think of a nation, I think of one nation under God. My mistake! As for international hereos, I think we maybe in the presence of a few here in Turkish Class.
Classic post!
and Aenigma, in your International Heroes list, how come no women in these times of sexual equality, I suggest either:
Marge Simpson
Wonder Woman
or Pamela Anderson (in Baywatch of course), for daring to wear such a swim suit
libra
as a parent you do all your best,
but for goodness sake you are not your child.
if your child chooses wrong things, then... nothing you can do, it must be his/her nature.
you cannot ban everything around you! you cant turn all evil into flowers for the comfort of your child. the world is tough, they will face the evil things soon or later.
but i should admit i do agree with you: there is too much of evil going in mass-media (in public), it simply became sodom and gomorrah.
Oh so you agree with me then!!
Maybe I am old, and may I look stupid (gomorrah what is it? :-S ) but I have successfully brought up two sons! The reference above was me and my brother and we were brought up in the 60's, by ultra strict parents when social life was very different to now!
so one of our main don juans was deleted from TC because of insulting ataturk?
does then TC function as per the turkish laws in turkey?
You-tube was temporarily banned in Turkey for crimes against the constitution earlier this year. If TLC did not enforce this rule, it too could be banned in Turkey.
what engima says, would of course be ideal.
but?
parents must raise children teaching them about sexuality.
And of course all children take notice of their parents and also those parents themselves have to be role models along with the society they grown up in.
And that means, everywhere you look, TV, advertisements, newspaper, magazines, films, games (computer sort), internet, shop windows, shops themselves........................... and of course some governments (particularly ours) make it easy to be promiscuous, handouts, housing, free this, free that.
Everyone has a responsiblity for their own society and how children grow up.
but parents are the most responsible ones.
there are parents in those societies who raise their children properly in so called sodom and gomorrah.
the thing is that it is parents themselves buy them agresive games or dont control children's PC, dont know what type of books or magazines they may have. maybe in general they absolutely have no contact with children? maybe they are too busy or selfish to communicate?
And being a responsible parent yourself you would know how easy it is to keep your children from the sort of rubbish displayed daily - once your children are at school you only have control over what is in the home. You have no control over pier pressure, or what is taught and how it is taught.
I agree, first and foremost children are the responsibility of the parent but as a parent there are many hurdles and outside pressures to overcome.
Social exposure is everywhere and you dont really have control over that, all you can do it hopefully train your children in the rights and wrongs and hope it all sinks in. But children have a lovely habit of doing the absolute opposite to what there parents say or do.
Take a family of two chilren both brought up the same by very responsible parents. One does well at school, does nothing wrong; the other, gets into trouble at school, with police, drugs, and ends up in prison - now explain that?
what engima says, would of course be ideal.
but?
parents must raise children teaching them about sexuality.
And of course all children take notice of their parents and also those parents themselves have to be role models along with the society they grown up in.
And that means, everywhere you look, TV, advertisements, newspaper, magazines, films, games (computer sort), internet, shop windows, shops themselves........................... and of course some governments (particularly ours) make it easy to be promiscuous, handouts, housing, free this, free that.
Everyone has a responsiblity for their own society and how children grow up.
Kurtlovesgrunge, is this your sort of holiday venue? As one of the younger ones here, is this the sort of holiday young Turks go for? I would be very interested to hear. I was told that a lot of Russians go to the all-inclusive holiday club type hotels in Antalya too.
There is a beach club in Oludeniz, but just far enough away so that you cannot walk into the town at night, it was a dangerous walk back, if you partake of too much falling over water!
I prefer to do my own thing, have the freedom of eating where and when I want. Climbing a few rocks and finiding a secluded beach etc etc
I call these all inclusive resorts, tourist prisons. They are fine in places where is is impossible to eat out, or even dangerous to leave your hotel. But I dont understand why they are posular in Turkey - there is so much choice.
unfortunately, it is still seen that unless you dress man-like, be a plain-jane, to "fit in" with the boys, for people to take you seriously, you won't get far in this industry.
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Big assupmtion! About the dress code I mean ..............
will you at least have some decent pension later on?
or will you be forced to live out your savings?
Dont even get me started on pensions......
Vote New Labour - and carry on living in the manor to which you have become accustomed! Those people who work hard, look after the people who cant be arsed..........
Sorry to admit this, but Aenigma I am behind you 100% on this one, and my blood boils too just at the thought.........
I have to agree here as well I lost over 25% of my private pension after Gordon Brown's tax grab and subsequent stock market collapse
How has he got the audacity to treat a fellow scot in such a manner!!!
will you at least have some decent pension later on?
or will you be forced to live out your savings?
Dont even get me started on pensions......
Vote New Labour - and carry on living in the manor to which you have become accustomed! Those people who work hard, look after the people who cant be arsed..........
Sorry to admit this, but Aenigma I am behind you 100% on this one, and my blood boils too just at the thought.........
Males target females for purposes other than marriage and vice versa. If the male is Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt all his motives are perfectly justifiable because there is an element of opportunity in it. Then those expensive weapons of visual and scented sophistication are drawn and those usual make-believe attitudes are taken up.
I don't want to make a comparison but I see that you have already started making some yourselves: so tell me who represents you women globally today? Who is the most prominent woman in the world today? Is she Paris Hilton?
Before you try to come up with another answer remember:
1. She is not better known than Hilton.
2. It is this corrupt capitalist culture that turns males and females into what they are.
I have my views on sexism, but not necessarily in the same format as the "gang of three" above. I just find this continual debate about equality so boring. When it is no longer "when it suits" sexism I will support it. Whilst there are millions of women happy with their "sexist" situations, and whilst sexism has never affected me personally, then I will look after number one.
The three of you are giving out the wrong vibes to me, that you all hate men with a vengance.
hello people...
are there anyone coming to Turkey???
Did you get an answer to your question? I was there in June, sorry! I hope to be there again soon.............. Forgot to mention, I had a fabulous time!
No Meltem, don't worry, the Turkish tourist workers are all yours!
No, in fact, I meant you're married or something.
Quoting aenigma x:
Ahh no, I just remembered, you don't date Turkish men either
I do not remember such a thing
There are plenty to go round, apparently resort workers are "anyones" according to the 5 million other threads that always lead to resort worker discussions!
Reminds me of a girl that likes to date the "bad boys" but only wants to marry a rich guy.
What is wrong with that? Perfect I would say!!! Have your cake and eat it So long as the rich guy is old and one good "session" would finish him of course and the will has been written
Sexism is the route of all ills I gather! I am afraid, whilst there are two sexes walking on this planet some one will always blame sexism! I feel the issues around violence by men is a far more complex issue. I have personal experience which backs this up, that I would rather not write about here.
Yes, where else could they find a guaranteed virgin
You talk as if you made a virginity test to all the turkish girls.
And it's not all about virginity, they see that they have more common things with the girls of their own country.
Yes it is not all about virginity. Me being me, I asked if they had sex with Turkish girls and the ones I asked said yes. So I queried the virginity theory and they told me, more and more, Turkish girls (particularly in major towns and cities I expect - less so in the country) do not remain virgins until they marry.
Yesterdays lightening blew my phone and internet connection to bits!! So I have no internet connection at home
And I dont know how long I will have to wait for a new hub to be sent to me...............
This is turning into a saga, just like the opening post of this thread! How many times do you have to ring BT (our telephone provider in UK) to find out what is going on? Each time you have to repeat everything, you speak to people in India, who bless them, have very good English, but the line is always so poor you cannot hear them. And it is so difficult to understand their accents over a bad line. So you spend 20 minutes on the phone saying 'pardon?' 'what was that' ?
Still no sign of my new hub
But I have a plan, a cunning plan I turned my computer on last night, and opened wireless connections and there is a connection, someone elses, so I just need to find out which neighbour it belongs to and then beg and plead to see if they will let me have their passcode. And I dearly love all my neighbours
Finally the saga has come to an end and I received my router today! One week later, now I have internet access at home and GRRRRRRR 366 emails to go through.................
So, YTL is the best right?
But what about prices? Is Turkey cheap place? I live in North-Europe and life is quite expensive here.
Compared to our prices in Europe, UK, France, Germany, Holland etc etc Turkey is cheaper but I would not say cheap. We noticed that eating out is cheaper but some of the gifts etc are not that much different.
We had several conversations with various resort workers from waiters, to sales men, to paragliders and uhmmm they all seem to have a string of girls, English, German, Dutch, whatever .......... but then two of them told us they were getting married in November. "Oh yes I said, and would that be a Turkish girl?" "Oh of course they replied!"
The Arctic Monkeys were invited to play as well, but didn't want to join for the above reasons.
http://www.nme.com/news/arctic-monkeys/29467
I like them even more now
Me too! News says today that only 4.5m viewers switched on in the UK - out of 25 million potential households, maybe the message did get across. Save energy and don't watch!!!
As no one has mentioned it yet, a huge concert was organised in various venues around the world to highlight global warming. Around 70,000 people attend the concert in the UK, held in Wembly Stadium. Other concerts in Tokyo, Johannasburg, Hamburg, Rio, New York oh I forget the rest............
Absolute and utter hipocracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many of the 'performers' were jetted around the world to the various locations and how many of the 'performers' own their own private jet, fleets of cars and massive mansions over the globe! And how many of the 'performers' really give a shit!
The awareness raised - turn off your TV's etc from standby, recycle your recycable waste, change a few light bulbs to energy savers, insulate your loft better........bla bla bla bla
The message sent out - it is OK to travel the length and breadth of the world to see some arthritic perfomer, do a couple of 'sets' or to see an over hill 'queen of pop' writhing over a speaker as if her life depended on it. And yes, I did have the mis-fortune of turning the TV on just in time to see Madonna!! Turning the lights off at Wembly (oh sorry, non-essential lights) for about 30 seconds will do the trick.
Hey? Uhmm I didn't start the thread, Loverprague did, and I am not offended, just pointing out the obvious as has been done many other times. I think "bounce" is a good word, or ever "batter" each other comments might also be appropriate I aint that bovered............
I know. I was quoting my post to Loveprague. And...Libralady, its very easy to acuse ME of battering and "pulling people to shreds" but have you ACTUALLY read this thread? I am not the one doing the "battering" !
Sorry that was not clear, I wil stop stalking now! and get on with some work, just ticking over before I leave this god forsaken job and start my new one in 4 weeks time
"I do understand that you may feel in some way offended that conversations go "off topic" and the normal reply to this is "that's nothing unusual at TC!" or "some people always spoil threads".
My opinion is that this is not unique to TC. It can happen in any conversation where the subject matter is of interest. People "bounce" off eachother's comments, maybe say something that another doesn't agree with, and the conversation flows into different directions.
You shouldn't take it personally just because you started the thread. I think you had some interesting and helpful replies to your question and alhough the discussion went off on another tangent towards the end I dont think it affected your thread by then. "
Hey? Uhmm I didn't start the thread, Loverprague did, and I am not offended, just pointing out the obvious as has been done many other times. I think "bounce" is a good word, or ever "batter" each other comments might also be appropriate I aint that bovered............
maybe nationalism not to much meaningfull about money or language,but have to be when needed i think....so thats kindly to use sterlin in Uk and to use YTL in Turkey
I think it is more a case of materialism! or lets see if we can escape from paying so much tax, by getting as much sterling cash as we can...........
When you offer to pay in YTL and they say, have you got sterling? Who am I to reason why? I just wanted to goparagliding
I also used sterling, and I asked for the calculator and worked out my exchange rate at the best one I had seen in the town! Which incidentally was better than the one I had got in the UK.
Aha! Canny lady
However, I do like to use local currency wherever I travel. It seems a bit arrogant to expect everyone to accept sterling, dollars or euros.
European visitors to the UK are the same. They find it strange that its hard to use Euros, but ITS NOT OUR CURRENCY!
I used sterling to pay for my paragliding because they asked for it, not because I wanted to!!!!! Like that, they can exchange it whenever the rate is good. I use YTL the rest of the time - but I can guarantee that they LOVE sterling in the resorts!!!!!!
I noticed that someone has been deleted for "stalking". Now this is a new one on me, can anyone explain exactly how you stalk someone on the internet?
I would imagine "stalking" would consist of persistently sending unwanted PMs (even if you know that person), following their every move on threads and commenting, etc.
When you pay with dollars or euros, prices will almost always be rounded off upwards.
Exactly! You also have no idea what exchange rate they are using!
I also used sterling, and I asked for the calculator and worked out my exchange rate at the best one I had seen in the town! Which incidentally was better than the one I had got in the UK.
This is turning into a saga, just like the opening post of this thread! How many times do you have to ring BT (our telephone provider in UK) to find out what is going on? Each time you have to repeat everything, you speak to people in India, who bless them, have very good English, but the line is always so poor you cannot hear them. And it is so difficult to understand their accents over a bad line. So you spend 20 minutes on the phone saying 'pardon?' 'what was that' ?
Ouh . Deepest deepest deepest sympathy LL! Been there, got the tshirt...
I have an appointment at the doctors later, to get my supply of valium!
Well, here is the irony I was up at 5.10am, spent all day organising a conference, dashed home at 6pm to cut my lawn because house is for sale and being viewed tomorrow, dashed back to set up the conference hall for tomorrow, got home around 9pm, had fruit for dinner because I forgot to buy food, wrote up a quick report, did laundry.... need I go on?
I just have my PC on ALL THE TIME at work and home so I can come here to bug YOU
Again you didn't need to tell all your day, but anyway, I envy you, what an energy.
But that was just ONE day, ALL mine are like that I find eating dried fruit from Turkey helps (p.s.I dont have my PC on all the time)
Yesterdays lightening blew my phone and internet connection to bits!! So I have no internet connection at home
And I dont know how long I will have to wait for a new hub to be sent to me...............
This is turning into a saga, just like the opening post of this thread! How many times do you have to ring BT (our telephone provider in UK) to find out what is going on? Each time you have to repeat everything, you speak to people in India, who bless them, have very good English, but the line is always so poor you cannot hear them. And it is so difficult to understand their accents over a bad line. So you spend 20 minutes on the phone saying 'pardon?' 'what was that' ?
Still no sign of my new hub
But I have a plan, a cunning plan I turned my computer on last night, and opened wireless connections and there is a connection, someone elses, so I just need to find out which neighbour it belongs to and then beg and plead to see if they will let me have their passcode. And I dearly love all my neighbours
why do you insist on marrying in a church if you are not a practicing christian? My mother (christian) and father (muslim) were married in France but they did not do a christian marriage nor a muslim marriage. It was completely a secular marriage Though I guess church marriage is also something traditional nowadays in UK.
Not so much these days, but why not have a non-religious marriage in a registery office or a place that has been licenced? I recently went to one in an old mill /hotel, no hymns, no prayers as such i.e. not the Lords Prayer, just the vows, and readings (i.e. poems and family remeberance of those not with us anymore) from family and friends. Only took around 20 minutes and then PARTY TIME!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like a marriage made in heaven - don't have to sleep together or wash dirty socks
I may have to seek a Virtual Husband myself...imagine, when he starts to get boring you can just turn the sound off
sounds really cool ,no socks no troubles
And a rabbit in the bedside cupboard!
Libralady!!!!!!!! I normally think of you as the "older and wiser" member of this site (much like George Bush....) but really....this is too naughty! For example, who would feed this poor rabbit...
4 AA batteries! Older and wiser? Where did you get that misconception from? And if you think George Bush is wise, then give me strength!!!
I also think it is inappropriate, cruel and unkind to "have such a go" at Lovebug for doing something, she thought was OK. This "thoughtless act" is merely a lack of understanding of a culture. I am sure the family would not show any offence publically.
What about it the tables were turned and the Turkish family gave Lovebug an "inappropriate" gift would she be offended or insulted? I doubt it, because at the end of the day we mostly understand that those from different cultures miss out some of the finer detail and can easily make a mistake.
It does not mean that anyone is "purposely" causing offence.
Ouh! No offence intended Libralady - just taking part in the discussion forum Is giving money to strangers ok in any culture?
I am not offended and I am not saying whether it is right or wrong, but the tone of the response was, which I don't class as a discussion.
it is not about our rules, yours. I think u cannot carry 1 lt. either they made my husband leave his shaving foam.
this is ridiculous. on what basis? could it be the health and safety issues or anti-terrorist rules if you carry it in your hand bag? otherwise its quite weird.
Travelling from the UK we are not allowed to carry any liquids over 50 ml. in our hand luggage. However, once through check-in and security checks, liquids of any kind bought in the Duty Free Shops (perfume, alcohol, suntan cream etc.) can be taken on board the plane. And yes, this is an anti-terrorist measure. Same rules apply when travelling from the US.
The same rules apply when traveling anywhere in the world I believe and in China, if you have water you have to drink some first if you want to take it with you.
Can considering how serious the threat of terrorism is, I think it is a small price to pay, not being able to take liquids, etc.
I witnessed a ridiculous argument between a British man and Turkish security in Dalaman airport. The idiot had a knife fork and spoon on him. They tried to confiscate it and he went beserk. Lucky not to be arrested. They kindly accommodated his temper trantrum and took the cutlery from him and gave it back to him when we landed. Now me? I would have refused the ignorant git!!
I also think it is inappropriate, cruel and unkind to "have such a go" at Lovebug for doing something, she thought was OK. This "thoughtless act" is merely a lack of understanding of a culture. I am sure the family would not show any offence publically.
What about it the tables were turned and the Turkish family gave Lovebug an "inappropriate" gift would she be offended or insulted? I doubt it, because at the end of the day we mostly understand that those from different cultures miss out some of the finer detail and can easily make a mistake.
It does not mean that anyone is "purposely" causing offence.
Just wanted you to join my party ! Seriously, why are you planning on drinking it? Gallstones?
We should start an OLIVE OIL thread
I thought you already had!
Dont forget, in my mothers day they used it when you had an ear wax problem, drip a few drops (warmed) into your ear, leave for a few minutes, get some cotton wool and have a poke around and sooner or later the nasty wax problem will disappear (or so I was told )
oh yeah, its all your fault, showing your "tanned" tits out everywhere, i tell ya, your fault, drunk, horny bitches ruining the image of pure innocent men.
britland - bitchland?
You have been sucking too many lemons lately Try a nice glass of Merlot or two - French of course or Italian if you cant get French
You are so so so so so right (first part of post - can't speak for second part)!
No, sorry, but you are so so so so so wrong! What Azade is talking about is normal relationship issues. The problem, unique to Turkey, is about conning women out of money.
I lied!
Women get conned out of money ALL OVER THE WORLD! and so do men...........................
While I am personally disgusted by the behaviour of some men and women in these resorts, I think in most of the cases both parts are very much aware of what they are doing. They are playing it like a game - so let them do it and take the consequences.
But at the same time I have seen a few examples of both men and women who were really hurt when the summer romance ended, because they were looking for something more than the other part was.
You are so so so so so right (first part of post - can't speak for second part)!
Edit: I am ducking out of this one now it has been wrung out to dry, got soaked and being wrung again and again and again...................
How come is everybody to quick point out the "horrible behavior of western women", but defend so fiercely the turkish male scumbags? Are you all worshipers of the female virginity and "men are men" backwardness?
There was not a generalization of western women. There are millions of western women coming to pass their holidays in Turkey and do not experience anything like this. The morals of these men for sure are very disgusting, if they listened to what the book of İslam said, they would not do so many immoral things (I said this because you noted that they are muslims).
But I usually feel that while you wrongly blame us defending these men, you have a tendancy to protect the women. Most of these women do not have morals either (there must be exceptions), but I do not judge them, it's their lives, they have fun, but they are not victims at all.
Anyway, during summer the natives of these resort cities are not happy to see these people (both men and women) either. I'm happy that I live far away from these places.
As been said, I also want that some measures be taken by the responsables, and these workers work in a more disciplined way.
I agree with MLTM - the women are just as responsbible as the men and whilst there is a supply there will be a demand! And whilst the supply is increasing so will the demand - simple economics!
A big favour, could someone please translate this for me.
Dear ?, here are the photo's we promised. Thank you very much for taking us to your home. It was lovely to see your new baby and to meet your wife again. Please thank her again for welcoming us. We hope you are all keeping well and coping with the heat.
Take care
We will see you again one day - we will keep in touch.
Video camera would not work on holiday
Digital camera went wrong on holiday
Broke printer last night - yes I mean I broke it, in an attempt to get an inkjet cartridge out
Can I just say that while European woman and in particular British women, flash their underwear, and get their "tits" out (and I dont mean on the beach) at the slightest encourgement (all witnessed on more than one occasion) and make it blatently obvious that they are willing to have sex with one or more men (in a night) then it is also pretty obvious that this situation is going to be taken advantage of by resort workers.
All true! But...why then does this "problem" not exist in other resorts? Are you saying that european women behave differently in other resorts?
It exists in other resorts - believe me! My niece was a rep in Rhode for 3 summers and you should see the photos - it is enough to make your hair curl, and have you not seen the Ibiza Uncovered and Corfu 18-30 holidays on TV?
Plus England............. in any town on a Saturday night you will girls flashing it all about, and I mean ALL!!
And we are supposed to defend this behaviour? Not me!
Can I just say that while European woman and in particular British women, flash their underwear, and get their "tits" out (and I dont mean on the beach) at the slightest encourgement (all witnessed on more than one occasion) and make it blatently obvious that they are willing to have sex with one or more men (in a night) then it is also pretty obvious that this situation is going to be taken advantage of by resort workers.
I dont see it as cultural either - just a statement from Greenpeace about climate change but I think there are more effective ways to demonstrate, like bricking up the doors of the White House with all the US government inside lol_fast: !! Nice project for the Turkish carpenters tho' !! :
Funnily enough there is no English Language Organisation, as such.
Hmmm, interesting indeed... I didn't know that.
So, for example, who decides then which words can be put in an official dictionary and which ones can't be?
Come to think of it, there can't be an "official" dictionary either then..
I think the Oxford English Dictionary is recognised as the official, and no I did not know that either, about the language organisation. Not really something you think about until new words are added. I will try and find out who decides to add new words.
Funnily enough there is no English Language Organisation, as such. The French, swedish, spanish and many other countries have ther official 'language purity preservation' organisation. English, apparently, is the fastest changing language, with as many as 10 new words being coined per day (esp. in the US). Food for thought
Yep! And the two latest words being added are
'WAGs' = Wives and Girlfriends and refers to the England Football teams' big spending wives and girlfriends, born in Germany 2006 World Cup by the Gutter Press in the UK.
and
'hoodie' = a hooded sweatshirt, seen as a 'uniform' for hooligans so that they can hide their faces whilst carrying out their crimes
and here is one for good measure:
'man-bag' = a kind of over the shoulder bag / satchell carried by a man as a fashion item, and generaly perceived by the British to be carried by gay men although I believe they are quite popular in many European countries and carried by straight men
I think Turkish is difficult if you are a native English speaker. I found French and Spanish much easier and by knowing those languages, makes basic Italian possible to understand with out learning. I find the suffixes and remembering which ones and how many you need to add to a word to form another word complicated.
I would say exposure to the language is by far the best way to learn, as some of the others have said, which is something I find very very difficult in the UK and I guess similar in the USA.
I would try and enlist the support of Turkish speaking family members to help you.
Sadly I have just counted 6 contributors to this thread, Femme you are one of them so what do you class yourself as? Assuming I am Miss Naive I am flattered Well that is enough childishness for one day.........
you have just confirmed your intillegence level (which is childish). you seriously go for another eye test, dear.
i was speaking of 3 people here, you're ms marathon, i dont call elder women miss. are you still flattered?
Actually I prefer Ms Marathon, as it confirms, I have much more energy than you young whipper snappers!
Are you being serious LL?? Wouldn't you do some re-reading?
I think we are reading different post. I see it in the post quoted, she (Catwoman) is talking about other people not herself?? Perhaps I am going stir crazy and should give up the ghost now, and have another beer. Oh well, nevermind, be back in a couple of weeks
Sadly I have just counted 6 contributors to this thread, Femme you are one of them so what do you class yourself as? Assuming I am Miss Naive I am flattered Well that is enough childishness for one day.........
You need to understand a little bit of Turkish culture and the conflicts they are struggling with to see how it is related. And by the way, did you understand the writing in turkish?
And lastly, just because you didn't see a political agenda, it doesn't mean that there's none. So just let people discuss what they feel is important.
maybe she speaks turkish better than turks and understands their reality better than turks? catwoman, we dont know. it sounded like she indeed knows the language. maybe thats why she keeps insisting on that theres no political message on there?
she claims she doesnt see, maybe she indeed doesnt see, or cant read?
or maybe she needs to go another eye test? maybe after that a different test of a different part of body that fails quite often?
does her post make sense to you?
Assuming as you quoted Catwoman you are referring to her as "she"? Then if that is the case reread her message (the one you quoted) and you will see that "she" is actually saying opposite of what you are claiming. Or are you referring to me as "she" cos it was me who mentioned the eye test. or maybe too much of the falling down water consumed
and they "promised" they would pay you for the work you have done, but they still haven't?
have you ever met these people face-to-face?
i'm sorry to say, if you haven't signed a work contract with them, that states when and how much they will pay you, you may never see the money that is owed to you.
this has more to do with business etiquette than where the people are from.
Wow, that is unbelievable. Libralady, is this the kind of arguments you didn't like on TC? Surprisingly, you're part of it .
And precisely who am I supposed to be arguing with? Making a couple of statements does not constitute an argument, and having a joke about life outside TC...... ??
Me? Silent? No I have have a life outside Turkish class.............
What? Who? Where? When? and How? :-S
When = most of the time, especially weekends
Where = bars, restaurants, shops, (then there is the boring stuff like housework and gardening)
Who = me and my friends, and husband and family and anyone else who wants to tag along
What = booze, more booze, clothes, food, and not wishing to sound too materialistic
How = jump in my car, foot to the floor, and away I go! Oh and switch off the computer before I go, then there is the fortnights holiday coming up ..............
What I am staying is that I am tired of seeing the same message continually posted here which then results in an argument.
simply, dont read.
Simply once again I will do as I please!
Perhaps it would be a good idea if I stopped reading altogether and just left the site like many other have done before, because of the continual bickering and arguing. It is those threads that turn this great site into an unpleasant one.
it almost sounded like a threat, dont be childish, dont act like a little girl who didnt get a doll and therefore now will be upset with others.
many left and many joined. some of them were even heros. some dedicated them posts, some deleted their posts as a protest! how stupid! how childish!
i possibly give a drop of tear when you leave the site. maybe a wish of good luck, too?
Having had my eyes tested at the weekend I still do not see a political agenda in the photo's! Only the one that is being raised by members of Turkish Class.
I think what libralady's point "might" have been is that, nobody at this site is in favor of oppressing women. The people that need to hear this message are the ones that don't care. This website might not be that venue is all she is saying. maybe.
Oh yes, I "might" mean that those people who do not care are not on this site! They are in governments and hold high office somewhere, like China for instance, or Sudan, or Saudia Arabia, bla bla bla bla, not here on Turkish Class (oh did I mention Turkish? well well )
What I am staying is that I am tired of seeing the same message continually posted here which then results in an argument.
simply, dont read.
Simply once again I will do as I please!
Perhaps it would be a good idea if I stopped reading altogether and just left the site like many other have done before, because of the continual bickering and arguing. It is those threads that turn this great site into an unpleasant one.
It is very sad that a few harmless photos on YouTube can provoke such unreasonable behaviour. Opinions will differ but does that mean everyone is wrong?
It is very sad that a few harmless photos on YouTube can provoke such unreasonable behaviour. Opinions will differ but does that mean everyone is wrong?
the subject of opressed, beaten, murdered women never can be tiresome.
you have two options: you stand up against it or you ignore and pretend things are alright.
the other thing you can be completly blind and deaf so that you dont truly see and hear.
the website has written my mind.
thanks catwoman
What I am staying is that I am tired of seeing the same message continually posted here which then results in an argument.
Sorry Catwoman but all this feminist stuff and women rights is getting rather tiresome in my opinion. I think you made your point more than once - some agree and some don't and it seems to cause more arguments than enough.
This was the temperature in the UK yesterday - reached an amazing 7 deg C!! It was the wettest and coldest bank holiday for years! Colder than Siberia.
Problems with indigenous peoples occurred in the USA into the the 20th century, even into the 1960s.
Now we allow them to operate gambling casinos and distribute the wealth among there own tribes.
Now they are all to rich too rebel.
???????????????????
Native Americans are still the poorest group in America. Too rich to rebel? Where in the world do you get your information?
This is really going off track, but Keith I have to agree with you! I saw first hand in Cheroke how poor they really are and how they are "dumped" in a high flood risk area. I will stop now as the above post makes my blood boil.
Where I live, there are a lot of migrant workers and there are regular checks by the Home Office - fines are big and deportation is the result for the worker.
Maybe there is a difference in usage between English English and American English?
And.. considering we were already mixed up, imagine how many others just might have used it wrong..
There is quite a differnce between English English and American English, to most English people's annoyance!!
For instance - English first then American:
Car - automobile
Boot - Trunk
Bonnet - lid
Rubbish - trash
Policeman - Officer
Mobile home - Roving Vehicle (RV)
And spellings are different, they use a 'z' where we would use an 's' as in organize / organise and other simlar type of words. We say 'programme' and they say 'program'.
This is really weird indeed, they ask for the plane ticket for the visa application, so you should book it before applying for a visa, but it is not guaranteed that you can have the visa and they don't pay you for your plane ticket if you cannot get the visa or you cannot get the money refunded if you cannot get the visa from the airline.
A stick with all two ends are dirty, nowhere to hold it, as we say in Turkish. You have no choice but to follow the rules.
Well, I am giving examples from my life, but I had a similar occasion yesterday. I paid 2 times, 20 Euros each for delaying my departure from Korea. But yesterday, when I went to the airline's office and applied to delay my ticket for another 3 months, they asked for 100 euro that time. The reason was my ticket was out of delayable period and it should be extended. So the money I paid was extension money. I didn't understand why but had to pay the money to get my departure day delayed for another 3 months. So I paid 140 Euros for delaying a ticket for 9 months. Usually a plane ticket is usable for 1 year(as far as I know), but they asked extension money when I passed 6 months. I was careless to check the usage time for the ticket when I bought it. But I had asked what could happen if I want to delay the date and they answered that I need to pay some amount of money for delaying the date when I bought the ticket. But I didn't know that the ticket was for 6 months and they have never told me that.
Anyway,
Be strong ! Bright days are closer than you think !
My prayers are with you.
You do have to read the small print (as we call it) and I too found out to my cost once. I needed to cancel a flight to Istanbul, but I could only delay the ticket at a cost of £50 (GBP) and fortunately for me I was able to use the ticket within the year. Just had to phone when I wanted to rebook and that was it. But then you never expect to have to change your flight.
Everyone is behind you Loverprague and we all wish you success. Hang in there! Be strong and you will succeed.
Sorry!! But on a more serious note, make sure they are working legally!! Under the Imigration and Ayslum Seekers Act 2003, you can find details on the DTI website about requirements. You need this proof before you take anyone on.
Well it is a long time since I had an English lesson, and I stand corrected, I have checked my BIG dictionary tonight and low and behold there they are. But I can truely say, we would never use countable or uncountable when referring things you can or cannot count in a conversation.
Monies is also used in the UK but normally to do with something legal when referring to money. For example when selling or buying a house, or money exchanging hands in a divorce settlement. It is a term that solicitors use.
so what about "countancy" word that I made up.
Actually I stole it from libralady's "accountancy" word.
Possibly a wrong word but I think you got the meaning.
I really wonder what is the correct word for that wrong one ??
Yeah, "countancy" does not exist. But I don't know either how you'd say it then. And yes, I did get what you meant I'd say "a different interpretation of what's (un)countable" maybe? Anyone help us out here? A native English person maybe? LL?
There is no such word or words in English as "countable" or "uncountable". We would say "It can be counted or it cannot be counted".
Further to my "silly" error above , accountable and unaccountable has nothing to do with the profession accountancy.
A person is accountable or unaccountable for their actions.
And countancy, sorry again there is no such word. I have done quite well in confusing you all Hope I have cleared it all up now..........
May be I am being dumb, but what are "accountable" and "unaccountables" - only time I have ever heard this is in accountancy! Do you mean when counting (accountable) or using numbers (ie. 3 ducks) or when not counting (unaccountables)?
Sorry Libralady, I couldn't get your question ...
accountable ???
EDIT:
If you mean countables and uncountables; Turkish doesn't have a similar countancy as English. They are thought differently in either languages.
Example: Money, water etc is uncountable. They don't take plural -s. But they can have -ler/lar in Turkish.
I don't know if "countancy" is the correct word here.
Yep!! that is what I mean - countables and unccountable - the "a" was typo error!! Thanks Elisa too!
And thanks, I see what you mean - not something we say in English that is all.
May be I am being dumb, but what are "accountable" and "unaccountables" - only time I have ever heard this is in accountancy! Do you mean when counting (accountable) or using numbers (ie. 3 ducks) or when not counting (unaccountables)?
I have just read this too on the internet news. It is always sad for those caught up. We are not safe anywhere these days. And yes, it is life, at the moment, hopefully in time peace will prevail.
what is non-biological powder? What about using detergent for infants? This is generally the mildest.
You don't do the washing then ? Biological powders get your whites, whiter than white where as a non-biological powder leaves your white less than white
Yes that is correct - we (UK) have members of parliament for all regions across the country, who are elected to become our government. A member of parliament does not necessarily belong to the current government, they may be of a different party. But if you "lobby" (write) to your local MP they should always try and help their constituents (local citizens) sort out any problems. There are also clinics where you can see you MP face to face.
I am afraid that England has a very bad reputation for football violence - but tops is Italy. It is a little more than men behaving badly, this is often organised by extreme right wing factions. In the UK it was the National Front (right wing facist organistion) who started the trouble but then swiftly left the scene. Even "reputable" business men were identified. Thankfully the police and underground organisations have gone along way to stamping it out, but mud sticks.
Does a person really have to know someone in the country that they holiday in? I have never heard of this!
never. Is this a new law?
It doesn't apply to all countries, but it does to Turkey. It's because they fear loads of turks will floof the country and stay there illegally
Unfortunately it is true, but generaly they are men, and they have been known to come in lorry's and sadly many die on the way. But yes here are plenty of illegal Turks and many other illegals living in our country.
Myspace is considered to be a site here in the U.S. for teenagers not adults. Yes, I do agree that it is how you use the site. However, just like anything else it can be addictive even for the most level headed person. I think for some people they are living dual lives and in a fairytale. I just recently saw a profile of a myspace page and it was pretty much what I thought. A bunch of kids with explicit pictures and too much time on their hands. No wonder kids are becoming obese. I guess if it was used for the proper intent, to contact friends ect.. it would serve the purpose. However, I just think it's another site that opens doors to the freaks in this world and puts our kids in compromising positions. What ever happen to phone calls and personal letters?
absolutely I agree with you 1000%, perfectly said. I think we already have plenty of forms of communication so I don't really see the point. I ran into a friend of mine at the market yesterday and she was saying that the reason she used it was so her friends can see the pictures of the kids on there, at first I thought "oh how nice", then I thought.... "well geez, so can every pedophile out there". To bad we have to think that way but its the truth.
Only people who you invite to be your friends and who accept can see your private pictures - so this is not strictly true. The trouble is when you are invited to be their friend and you accept do you allow this.
By the way, I am not a myspace fiend, but my neice is.
love is not only joy nd its pain sometime even,so have to be ready for all when you let ur heart to sometings new,also you have to be ready for untimely farewells
What is happening to home buyers here (UK?)? Are you talking about the rise in interest rates? What protest? Where? Why do you want it translating to Turkish ? :-S
Well we will have a nice new Prime Minister soon (if not already!) and I am sure he wont do a thing to help house buyers - unless you want to buy an Eco Home ...........
I am sorry to hear this too and it appears that fairness is not a word in the Home Office language. Did you keep history of your MSN chats? If you do, and it is possible, you could print them off?
Would anyone tell me whether Turkish citizens need a visa to go to China and Macau? Thanks a lot!
Everyone going to China needs a visa! If it is just for a holiday, then I would think it is straightforward, but if you need a business visa, then you have to have a letter of invitation from a Government run organisation (which is most businesses). And apply for the visa through either an agency or the Chinese Embassy in Turkey. If it is anything like the UK, it is a nightmare to get a visa from the Embassy, I always use an agency.
Macau is possibly different, and would be like Hong Kong. You would most likely go to Hong Kong before you go to Macau as there are regular ferries so therefore you would not need a visa. If you were travelling internally for instance, flying from Shanghai, you would be able to fly to Shenzhen or Tanzhou airports which are both still in China. From Shenzhen to Macau you can get a ferry. From Tanzhou it would be a taxi ride but there might be special taxis.
You can buy single trip visa's at the border crossing, but these do not allow you to travel in and out of China/Hong Kong/Macau more than one trip.
There is plenty of information on the internet and if you go to the Chinese Embassy website in Turkey it should tell you there the requirements.
The above is all from my own experience and granted I am British, but I believe the visa requirements would be the same.
This Eurovision contest was the biggest gay i've ever seen! omg half singers were gays or lesbians or bi it was funny as.. hmm... And by the way Serbian singer it was she or he? Kenan was good but the song..idont know...his song cakkidi is much better. anyway i dont think that i will watch it ever again hhhhrrr im angry... u think that serbia deserved 1st place?? i dont think so i wont talk 'bout Lithuanian song at all it was omg...
Wow, this is such a horrible, homophobic post! Where did you learn this Viktoria?
It's sad though that she chose to dress like a man, obviously because the idea of female beauty is so sickly defined that she would probably be criticized about her weight.
It reminds me of the women from countries in which they are oppressed that say that they wish they were born men . It's really sad what kind of world we've created again... .
Actually I read in the paper this morning that this is her style and it is pure speculation about her sexuality. She has been given a hard time because of her parents divorce. If an artist wants to dress a certain way and create their own style, it is surely up to them - I prefer her style to that of the Ukraine offering or the embarassing Moldova singer who was nearly displaying her........... and looked like something from a sex shop window - well leave it at that
No-one has mentioned the absolute death defying acrobatics, and the strange man in the egg thing who came out and promptly swallowed a fluorescent tube! all whilst the voting was taking place, certainly the highlight of the night for me! Yes I lead a dull and boring life generally
Not only myspace, but also hi5, icq, tagged, etc, etc. I say most of them can even sabotage some of the most loving of relationships unless you avoid going into these sites.
Sorry, it is not the site that is the problem, it is what you do with it. Someone added you as a friend and you don't want that? Refuse. Someone put a comment next to a picture and you don't want it? Delete. I use some of those sites too, just to chat with people all over the world. Messages I don't like I do not answer and they are right away in the trash can. Members who spam, I block. It is all that simple. You cannot blame a site - a thing cannot think for itself - for having troubles in your relation.
Same here Trudy! I use to keep tags on my neice who is in New Zealand and for a start I got drongo after drongo wanting to add me - DELETE DELETE DELETE! Those sites are only what you make them. I have confined myself to facebook only now - much safer bet!
I look beyond the person, and I thought Serbia deserved to win. She/he whatever, has a good voice and it was a nice song. So you are all OK with the virtually porngraphic outfits and display from Moldova? The eurovision is known for the wild and wacky - remember Dana International from Israel? A transexual. And now it is also known for the block voting by neighbouring countries. We watched the voting and guessed at who would give the final points to whom!
I AM HAPPY THAT THE ADMIN OF THIS WEBPAGE CHANGED HIS MIND. BECAUSE LAST TIME HE DELETED MY POSTS WITHOUT ANY NOTICE. I SEE THAT THIS TOPIC IS HIGHLY POLITICAL TOO BUT THE ADMIN ALLOWS IT. THANK YOU ADMIN
There is no need to broach the subject on a different thread, and also no need to talk in capitals.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE TURKS THEY TRY TO BAN EVERYHING: TALKING ABOUT POLITICS, HEADSCARF, WRITING WITH CAPITAL LETTERS AND SO ON BUT U SHOULD KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE FREEEEEE....
Interesting topic but writing in caps is so very frustrating to read properly and it also appears that the person is shouting.
Bebek çok küçük henuz yürümüyor.
The very small baby (child) is not walking yet.
Did you translate it TR-ENG or did you write this sentence? Because I think a comma would be appropriate here in Turkish:
Bebek çok küçük, henüz yürümüyor
The baby is very small, it isnt walking yet.
Çok küçük bebek henüz yürümüyor
The very small baby isnt walking yet.
I copied it and yes I missed the comma! Well spotted. Yes I realise now about the first sentance. My mistake! I keep trying to switch between English Keyboard and Turkish keyboard.
It definately is! Years ago I spent blood, sweat and tears to get the Spanish R right because it's totally different than the French R that I'm used to. But it's way too hard for the Turkish language. So now I have to adjust again.. :-S
But of course, I'm working on it
I have never been able to master the rolling "R" as the Spanish but I too am a little puzzle by the sound of the Turkish "R" at the end of a put. When I am trying to write dictation I miss it.
Can somebody tell me if there is a (simple) way to split the yellows from the whites from an egg, without having any special tool for it? Im always ruining 1/3 of my eggs in this process so an advice would be welcome!
Thanks!
make two holes in the egg at bottom and top of it ,so one will be for getting out the white and the other is for the air,that simpl.
besides girl what this topic has to do with turkish learning, ah i guess the egg is turkish
Dont you use eggs in Turkish receipes? And we are all learning Turkish.............
i dont use turkish eggs
Did I say Turkish eggs? I said eggs in Turkish receipes!!
Can somebody tell me if there is a (simple) way to split the yellows from the whites from an egg, without having any special tool for it? Im always ruining 1/3 of my eggs in this process so an advice would be welcome!
Thanks!
make two holes in the egg at bottom and top of it ,so one will be for getting out the white and the other is for the air,that simpl.
besides girl what this topic has to do with turkish learning, ah i guess the egg is turkish
Dont you use eggs in Turkish receipes? And we are all learning Turkish.............
3 big size onion
4 big size tomatoes
1 kg. green beans
150 ml. virgin olive oil
1 tb. spoon salt
1 tea spoon sugar
Clean up the sides of beans. Cut each bean two or three pieces. Put them on a pot. Add dice chopped onions and tomatoes, salt, sugar, oil. Do not add any water. Cook for 1.5 hours in low glow. Stir it after cooked. Serve cold. Bon apetite
These are just a nice served warm! I cooked this and served with fish - yum yum! (but I didn't cook for 1.5hrs, only about 30 min)
HI,
Please try this one coz i've been doing this everytime i will prepare desserts made of eggyolks
Crack the egg that is make a hole on the tip of the egg and put it upside down placing a fork on the hole. And surely the egg white will slowly get out of the shell.
goodluck
I think you need to prick the thin end of the egg as the yolk is in the fat end - is that right Pizza? Never heard this method before. Sure there is not a video on YouTube?
yea ur right then and im so sure its not in the youtube video
I guess us "domestic goddesses" will be trying out the methods over the weekend and reporting back on Monday
HI,
Please try this one coz i've been doing this everytime i will prepare desserts made of eggyolks
Crack the egg that is make a hole on the tip of the egg and put it upside down placing a fork on the hole. And surely the egg white will slowly get out of the shell.
goodluck
I think you need to prick the thin end of the egg as the yolk is in the fat end - is that right Pizza? Never heard this method before. Sure there is not a video on YouTube?
I completely agree with you, if transalations are such an issue then those with the 'issue' should avoid that part of the forum.
I dont find translations an issue per se, but it does bother me about the content of some translation requests. You can actaully unravel someones whole life in a few posts. Is that what you all really want?
Why does it BOTHER YOU what contents are in some of these translation requests? Everyone here has the right to request a translation and everyone here also has the right to either help with the translation request or not, it's their choice. You don't have to read it if you don't want too.
I personally feel that it's not such a big deal for these women to post some of their personal issues, sometimes it can help another to avoid getting into the same situation or just to be cautious. Also this is a hard time for them and what would be better then to share this with someone who knows what you are going through and has been there herself and If it helps to ease their pain then so be it!
I don't read the posts and you are right if someone wants to let their lives be public then so be it. Just not my style. Looks like we have reached a consensus.
Crack the egg (making sure you only split the egg in two) and tip the white into one half of the shell while the yolk stays in the other.
Or alternatively you crack the egg and poor the whole egg into one hand and let the white trickle through you fingers (into a bowl) whilst keeping the yolk in your hand. That is the way chefs do it.
Both need a bit of practice - and I wish I could show you
P.s. I forgot about using the bowl - nice you tube vid!!
I completely agree with you, if transalations are such an issue then those with the "issue" should avoid that part of the forum.
I dont find translations an issue per se, but it does bother me about the content of some translation requests. You can actaully unravel someones whole life in a few posts. Is that what you all really want?
Anyone else have a Turkish boyfriend in a Holiday Turkish resort?
You must be the youngest girl to have a boyfriend in Turkey
There must be a lot of girls who do have boyfriends in holiday resorts and I bet there are many more who 'think' they have a boyfriend in a holiday resort :-S
No no no!.. the very other way around! Her Turkish, or better the impression she has given about her Turkish is great, which caused me to miss the two points! It is for this reason that she should apologise!
No apology! But maybe you should have "analised" my answers with a little more care!!!!! Dont take anything for granted, even the "corrections" to my answers!!
The first thing that strikes me about this man is how young he was to be in a serious relationship, married and with a child. No excuse for him running off. But as already mentioned, there are always two sides to a story and I would guess he felt trapped and could not express himself in English to explain.
But as I have said in other threads, if I was in his position and knew you were putting your story here for everyone to read, then I would have left too.
I personally think this is something that you have to find a way of sorting out without using this as a translation service for all your problems. And I dont mean that to be cruel and I dont know what other methods of communication you are using.
Have you tried to visit him in Turkey since he left? It is something I would have gone out of my to do.
There is no answer here I am afraid, but the anwser only lies with the two of you.
ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa come on libralady apoligize for your sloppy turkish
I must not write sloppy Turkish
I must not write sloppy Turkish
I must not write sloppy Turkish
I must not write sloppy Turkish
I must not write sloppy Turkish
I must not write sloppy Turkish
I must not write sloppy Turkish
I must not write sloppy Turkish
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And really do I care? I still have my opinion and yours will not change mine! I am a private person when it comes to relationships and I just think others should be a little more conserative too. Finito!
You sound to have gotten offended, libralady, which really disappoints me and makes me sorry.
Not offended, just bored and meaning I have nothing more to add.
Well well Panta rei, this is the first time I have had one of my posts analysed!
What a pity! That follows this is the first time you seemed to be right; in other words, one of your posts was for the first time regarded to be worth being analysed!
Ah good point! So in the past they have been inconsequential!
According to your former post, they have been so!
And really do I care? I still have my opinion and yours will not change mine! I am a private person when it comes to relationships and I just think others should be a little more conserative too. Finito!
Well well Panta rei, this is the first time I have had one of my posts analysed!
What a pity! That follows this is the first time you seemed to be right; in other words, one of your posts was for the first time regarded to be worth being analysed!
Ah good point! So in the past they have been inconsequential!
I agree with you panta rei You wrote everything that should be said, so there's no need to write more.
They're cruel because they do not have a man whose texts they could get translated here.
Haha how bloody hilarious!!! You know absolutely nothing about us (cruel heartless women). Well I do have a piece of software that will do it for me, and I would NEVER EVER post a private message to get translated here, I would rather pay a private translator if I had to.
I just cannot understand why anyone would post such personal conversations for the whole world to see!
Don't be cruel that much! The fact that they post their personal and private, yes sometimes even private, conversations -with your words- for the whole world to see, is not their choice and wish, but their absolute necessity. And I won't even mention that the whole world doesn't and can't know actually whose personal posts it sees!
Call me cruel and heartless too but I agree 100% with Girleegirl and it is just testment of the relationships we are talking about. The same people sharing their personal relationships with all the members of this site, and anyone else who wants to look in (you dont have to be a member to see the posts only to reply). I personally dont feel any sympathy either.
How can you have a relationship based on "getting translations" to sort out your problems, which judging by the repeat requests, never get sorted out. Why is it an absolute necessity?? And what about the man in these cases? How would he feel if he knew his private life was being posted on the internet? Most guys would say goodbye to any possible relationship there might have been.
The site "how to learn a language" is really useful and give you a bit of confidence to! It is not about Turkish but just how to go about learning. I have decided on a structure, similar to going to night school and that is working better for me.
Please tell me, how does a car "fall" into the Bosphorus I was told by a native of Istanbul that many people drive into the Bosphorus or the Marmara Sea, usually they are drunk, or their relationship has broken down and they are trying to commit suicide.
And as someone who lived next to a river, and is surrounded by a river system, I can say that the chances of getting out alive are very slim, even if you do follow the rules to the letter
Our May Day is not May Day until next Monday - we always have the first Monday in May off. But that does not stop the rally's happening. Dont know of any today tho'.
I believe that traditional marriages succeed more than marriage by love, as evidenced by marriage of parents who is grow
In my opinion it is a breach of human rights! You should be able to marry who you want. It is up to the persons to make it succeed. Arranged marriage is outdated.
As a hot headed 17 year I would have been the same as you, and defied my family - but on the other hand, as a parent I would be the same as your parents. So there is no easy answer.
Train! Look on the national rail website for times. I would say it takes about 1 hour from Kings Cross. It is easy once to get to Stansted. A well laid out and easy to use airport, more than I can say for Kings Cross station.
a powerful economy
a powerful democracy
a powerful army
our enemies are not greeks, americans, arabs, or europeans, the real enemy is the enemy inside that is who are against economic and democratic stability and who supports military intervention in politics...
now all the people make fun of us because in our country government is warned by armed forces which is supposed to be under civilian control...
Thanks, that makes more sense but I am sure no one is laughing at you (Turkey), at such a serious issue.
our economy is not good, our democracy is not good but we do not care because we have a powerfull army and we can kill our enemies.
This is a powerful statement and I have read on another thread that someone stated that Turkey has lots of enemies. What is it about your enemies? Who are they? As far as I am aware Turkey has many allies. It concerns me that you are saying because you have a powerful army you do not care about democracy. A powerful army is not the answer to democracy, as has been stated in another related thread.
Thats not a powerful statement, that is the fault of politicians after the time of Kemal Ataturk...Our economy cannot be good, but people want honour not money u cannot understand this. In Turkiye Turks are being abased. Also our democracy is fine. Our enemies are imperialist countries who try to divide Turkiye's unity like in independence war...I want both democracy and powerful army maybe u undersyood wrong?
Forgive me but you are not Kaddersokak?? No I dont understnd that is why I ask. But it is a powerful statement when one says they have a powerful army and will kill our enemies!! What I am saying, who are these enemies? Who are these imperialist countries? Maybe I am being naive and I should know but I am on the outside looking in.
our economy is not good, our democracy is not good but we do not care because we have a powerfull army and we can kill our enemies.
This is a powerful statement and I have read on another thread that someone stated that Turkey has lots of enemies. What is it about your enemies? Who are they? As far as I am aware Turkey has many allies. It concerns me that you are saying because you have a powerful army you do not care about democracy. A powerful army is not the answer to democracy, as has been stated in another related thread.
I absolutely agree with you, reBooped! We should have more quality, classic poetry at our forums.
This poem reminded me to a great topic we had once in Poetry Forums, RUSSIAN POETRY, you must remember it, it was one of the most visited and the most successful topic in Poetry and Literature Category. Unfortunately, this great topic is now roaming somewhere in a deep of General/Off topics Universe, removed there during the cleaning Cultural Forums of non-Turkish topics. Pitty, now we have in those forums so many topics that don't deserve to be there - requests for translations, literal tries of our memebers, pop lyrics - and such a topic exiled
I would like to hear other members' opinions about introducing Turkish speakers to world poetry, here, in Poetry and Literature Forums, not in General/Off topics, where, respecting strictly rules, such topics belong.
I agree with everything you say and I am in support of this too. I must say that exiling some topics is a great idea not fogetting the life history of someones relationship
A poem by Nazım Hikmet, you can find it at the poems section, I just copied the translation from there:
Seviyorum Seni
Seviyorum seni
ekmeği tuza banıp yer gibi
Geceleyin ateşler içinde uyanarak
ağzımı dayayıp musluğa su içer gibi
Ağır posta paketini
neyin nesi belirsiz
telaşlı, sevinçli, kuşkulu açar gibi
Seviyorum seni
denizi ilk defa uçakla geçer gibi
İstanbul'da yumuşacık kararırken ortalık
içimde kımıldayan birşeyler gibi
Seviyorum seni
Yaşıyoruz çok şÃ¼kür der gibi.
I Love You
I love you
like dipping bread into salt and eating
Like waking up at night with high fever
and drinking water, with the tap in my mouth
Like unwrapping the heavy box from the postman
with no clue what it is
fluttering, happy, doubtful
I love you
like flying over the sea in a plane for the first time
Like something moves inside me
when it gets dark softly in Istanbul
I love you
Like thanking God that we live.
i have seen this poem many places i like it but i just dont understand - like dipping bread into salt and eating
You never tried bread with salt and olive oil??? Yum Yum!!
Atleast, you get to go to Trabzon whichever one you choose, i LOVE trabzon. be sure to go to a trabzon spor football match!!
Football? Sorry, I'm on a holiday, not detention.
hahahahah
I like football, but last year in Turkey we had to endure all the "English" football fans watching the world cup - most of them have never kicked a football in their lives and they could manage England better than any ex/retired professional. How can I tell then have never kicked a football? How about 3 stone over weight gives you a clue
but i am a little offended with a comment relating to how quick the clothes come off
Well...the poem is titled 'I can't wait'...
Good point!! How would the intended like to see it 'splashed' sorry no pun intended, on this site for all the world to see (not just members) ooooops no not another pun
i'm really trying to learn turkey but all my methods failed,i'm not pleased by the results...so i hope someone can tell me an easy method..i mean how to start...I know words but i dont know how to make sentenses....please friends help me
Easy method? There is an easy method? Let us know when you find it :-S
It is a shame some times some people are only wanting to see the negative in every thing and need to lower the tone to there level. im sure you would not want to judged so harshly
Already have been! Several times in fact Water off a ducks back
By the way, the tone was already pretty low, I would never write something like this for someone (special) then put in on public display and NOT expect a bit of ribbing
I always find this sort of question interesting, as we in the UK like our space!! If anyone (a stranger that is) talks to me and I feel they are too close, I step back to allow myself more space. With a sort of "hey you get back" look!
Anyone else see the Boğazici Bridge on Monday night? It was lit up in red lights. I have never seen that before on previous holidays. I took the ferry home form Kadikoy on monday night and the site was really beau.tiful. Dozens on the boat were getting pictures with their cell phones. One of the few times I wish I had a nice, new phone...
Time to treat yourself Keith, or maybe wait until your birthday and then you can have as many virtual phones as you like.
Are you still at the birthday, libralady? Already promoted we to other fields (e.g. -reBooped's- intrigues), and a lot of water has passed under the bridge. Anyway, you, too, are our invited guest to our wedding ceremony on that bridge, under which a lot of water has passed, in Paris!
An honour and privilege - I wait for the tickets in the post! Eurostar from Waterloo would be nice
Merchandises are allowed to travel without visa or whatsoever. So is done work force. If you are considered as work force, namely, merchandise, there exists no border, nor bloody visa process for you. You wouldn't of course care all these as long as you can travel without visa wherever you like, but they don't care, either, you enjoy your travelling as long as you are walking money (with one head, two hands and two legs). The question here – whether we, too, will be considered as marchandise by the EU. Or better, whether we will like to be considered as such. Hopefully we will never, and will never join in the EU.
However, just for the sake of nostalgia, "let them do, let them pass".
(I think we need also a "let them pass" smiley. )
At the moment it is a bit of a one way ticket (for "merchandise") - everyone from the less affluent EU countries are making their way into the UK (France, Germany etc) thinking that life is so much better and it is becoming what is known as a "brain drain" for those countries. For instance we are employing many dentists from Poland because they will work for less money and consequently the Polish dental system is suffering. And we are taking advantage of cheaper labour. We dont seem to see floods of UK citizens making their way to work in Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Rumania, Bulgaria etc etc. for considerably less money than they would earn in the UK. But they seem to forget that cost is relative.
So whilst is many ways it is good for individuals to be able to travel from country to country, it is not so good when they all flood into a few countries clogging up their systems and resources.
Where as once I though the EU was a good thing, it is now too big and it is full of red tape, bureaucracy, legislation, rights for this that and the other.
I've heard of some sites setting up IP bans. I don't know how complicated that could be, but it could be one solution.
it also doesn't work if the user has set up dynamic ip address configuration on their computer...meaning a new ip address is generated everytime they log on to the internet.
I've heard of some sites setting up IP bans. I don't know how complicated that could be, but it could be one solution.
Not really, you could set up on one computer with an IP address and then use on another computer with different IP, as I do!! So you could go into any internet cafe set an account and then use on your home computer.
Thank you CHARRY,that is very nice of you really İ would like to know them too But not missing my old group,wont make me miss my new one,right ?
İts nice to know new people,but not wrong to care about old ones too,right ?
You are SO SO SO SO SO right!! You build a raport and that is what we miss with the ones we know so well that have gone. It takes time to know the new ones, when all (most of) the new ones want are translations.
Does this mean there are not planning rules for new buildings? I am interested to know about modern architecture and how it blends in with traditional and old architecture in such an important town.
I would be interested to know, if any new buildings have to be in keeping with the original features of the older buildings? In other words, new building have to look and be built in the same way as in the past. If so, are the trades men specifically trained?
This subject has been raised before. There are lots of sensitive issues to be resolved (which I will not mention here for reason I wish not to divulge) and it will be many years before Turkey will be able to join the EU, around 10-15 I think.
yea i tend to agree but if u went on the site and found your man on the list ı should ımagın one would be greatful.
Turn the tables - what about if your man went on a site like that for cheating women and found you on there!! And you are innocent, then what??????? Think about it ladies!!!!
Thanks for your replies. Yes I know the turkish alphabet well, that wasnt really my point in the post. My point was that people have said that in order to learn turkish you must know their alphabet, but they didnt sit and learn the english alphabet they just learnt english from speaking and listening. Turkish doesnt seem that easy to pick up that way but maybe that is just my impression.
Motivation as someone metioned is definitely a key factor
See what you mean!! When you learn to speak as a child you do not learn the alphabet - you do that when you get to school and I can remember kids who still did not know the alphabet when they went to secondary school age 11! It is all so much harder when you are older, so motivation and determination and plenty of spare time required.
Start a topic yourself! Ask other people their opinion. You (and many other 'old' members) know what was going on in the times you are longing for. With only saying 'there is no interesting topic to reply' nothing will change.
BTW - Enjoy your trip (business? holiday?) in China.
But surely if you know the English alphabet, you will know the Turkish alphabet? There is not that much difference, same with French, Spanish, Italian etc etc
Please explain (with details) what is wrong with the people who were deleted.
Well - my point was that there ISN'T anything wrong with them :-S
Exactly and might it be a good idea to take a look at those reporting spam? Are they multiple spam reporters and just report anyone who sends them a PM? It just seems like a game to some people judging from some of the above posts.
Spend far less time on websites (specifically this one!), and far more time outside in the beautiful sunshine - walking, running lounging around, whatever, enjoying my life........... Goodbye
I am shocked by some of the "spammers" that have been deleted today! Some of them are long term users of TC, are they really spammers in the true sense of the word??
Are you superstitious? Friday 13th is supposed to be unlucky for some countries, England, Germany, Poland and Portugal and also a variation on the theme is other countries.
So what do you think to Friday 13th? Anything unlucky every happened to you?
I once checked into the wrong flight on Friday 13th, but that was just careless on my part and the checking in clerk!! Ended up on the right flight fortunately.........
Vineyards, there is not much to add from that repose - it is what I would say 'put in a nutshell' a bloody big nutshell at that in an extremely articulate way.
It's -8C and snowing!!!! What happened to my spring?????
Poor you, Capoeira. Here it is 17 degrees with a nice sun and until Sunday it probably will get warmer to about 22 degrees. Where do you live that its that cold?
I will join the gloating!! It is the same in the UK too! 18 deg today and rising............... wey hey!!
Of course we know that she was talking about Washington DC, but what interested me was that she was intrigue with DC and I wanted to know more of her views of this city through her eyes!
paris, berlin to me were just like london, dirty flea ridden cesspits...
i'd most like to visit istanbul,dubai, marrakech, cape town, johannesburg , rio de janeiro and of course puerto de la cruz (but i've been there already hahaha) hehehe
Depends which bit of London you are talking about I don't like the rudeness, you are a faceless object in London, taking your life in your hands on the underground at rush hour
1) Cambridge UK, a very cosmopolitan city with beautiful achitecture, historic universities, lovely river with punts to hire, great restaurants and bars.
2) Istanbul - city of intrigue and fascination, historic and awe inspiring architecture.
3) Hong Kong - mystical, with a great mix of oriental and modern, a 24 hour night city that never sleeps!!
I had said for "libralady"..If you look at that page that you would see what I mean..that exhibition is intending for the "campaign for recognition of the Armenian Genocide"...
But that is not why I posted this, it is for other peoples interest or not as the case may be. I am not here to argue for or against something I know nothing about.
Libralady I am not a cop. I have no authority over anyone of you. I just explain my idea. Why do you feel restricted?
Anyone having an idea is free to post his/her idea here. Anyone is free to criticize it. Some of us call some others self-rightous. Well this is not very polite. I would prefer that you write your own version of the truth and we might criticize your arguments rather than your personalities.
A number of times I have declared the basis of my opinions. I attempted to systematize my thoughts. What I got in return was criticism directed to my personality or culture. Please, answer opinions with opinions, I suspect some members here don't know how to discuss. Because they easily abondon the subject and begin attacking the personality of the other party.
Can anyone help me with this translation, I am a little confused by the sentance. (It is taken from a conversation in a restaurant about ordering soup and fish). is something about soup and 4 blue fish.
O zaman çorbadan sonra dört lüfer.
I am unsure of the meaning of "çorbadan" because of the suffix "dan"
I think the difference here now is the sensitivity levelamongst the users. Before, all topics could be discussed with an open mind, an no attempt to be self-rightous or hurtful. I think we are seeing alot of both of these qualities in people the last few months in the posts they create and their responses to others.
I do think that the better monitoring of the chat room is a great idea and can only bring the site back to where we all want it to be. Inşallah...
Keith you are spot on!! Where as once I would have a say, give my opinion, I now think that I am going to offend someone because I have an opinion, which not everyone agrees with and vice versa.
And because I am not Turkish I should not comment or have an opinion on Turkish subjects. I am also wary about starting up a new topic for fear of repercussions. So yes, it is a sensitivity issue.
To me this discussion is rather like the Turkish reading our newspapers, and thinking what they read reflects what is a normal way of life in Britain today. (In particular what I call the "gutter press" Daily Mirror, Sun, Daily Star - you know, the ones adorned with hugely inflated breasts and liposuctioned thighs aka Jordan)
And thinking that all British women have illegitimate children by four different fathers, we all live on social security, we are all racist, that we all love Tony Blair. That all women will have sex with any man walking, or that we have no morals. All men stay in the pub til' all hours and drink themselves to oblivion on a daily basis and they are all football holigans.
Judge the person you know as you know them and not on what you read about a nation.
Sorry if this has gone a little off track.................
Would someone be kind enough to check my translation homework for me.
Turkish Homework for correction
Türkıye’de pazarlar, geleneksel bir alışkanlık. (Bazaars in Turkey are traditional and custom) Pazalarlar her yerde. (Bazaars are everywhere). Her şehirdei semtte, lıçde, koyde. (Every town, neighbourhood, district, and cove). Her hafta belli bir günde. (On every day on the week). Bu pazarlarda neler mi var? (What is this bazaar?). Daha doğru bır soru. (That is the question). Her şey var. (They are everywhere). Öncelikle yiyecekler; sebze, meyve, peynir, zeytin, yoğurti, tereyağı ve digerleri. (Fırst foods; vegetable, fruit, cheese, olives, yoghurt, butter and so on). Başka bır bölümde çeşit çeşit eşyalar var; Giyercekler, mutfak aletleri, hatta ayakkabi, bile. (There are various other sections; garments, cooking utensils, even footwear as well). Ustelik en güzelı her şey çok ucuz. (Everything is nice and cheap).
and what if i tell you that i know turkish boys and men who listwen to tarkan and appreciate his music? let everybody be happy with his/her own preferenes
We are!! Just a few personal opinions, nothing offense!
Moving on from Darwins theory to human intevention affecting the environment, the poisonous Cane Toads were introduced into Autrialia in 1930's in an attempt to kill of the cane beetle. Ooooopps!!!! It failed to work, cane beetles still exist and now the cane toad has grown to monsterous proportions in numbers and size. Some cane toads are now the size of small dogs.
An extraordinary amount of money has and is still being spent by the Australian government on genetically manipulating a disease to kill toads. This is a very risky project which will have cataclismic consequences if it goes wrong and severe consequences even if it works correctly.
It is being billed as Austrialias worst environmental mistake.
leander - how on earth did you get these lyrics? they are really beautiful.
Google for 'Scorpions Still loving you'.
Btw, thanks Quasimodo, the song is in my head everytime I see the title of this thread, and errm, I'll watch my words, I rather dislike this song Then again, it's always about "les goûts et les couleurs", n'est-ce pas?
I wouldn't bother with a PC phone, but use a headset with microphone instead. If your PC has a bluetooth connection then you can use a wireless headset. You can also get a bluetooth with USB to fit into a USB port to enable bluetooth headset. They are expensive but of very high quality. You can also use them for listening to music from you PC or if you have a new fangle stereo system with bluetooth you can use it for that as well.
Basically, do your research before you go and buy to make sure you are getting compatible equipment.
I am a gadget sort of person, but I always check what I am buying, and I have not made any silly purchases yet.
Ok thanks, im wanting to go from Manchester to Dalaman (then on to marmaris), does anyone know what flights do weekends? or where i could get a good deal?
Thanks again
Thomas Cooks do flights to Dalaman, but I think you are asking something to get a cheap weekend flight!!! There are plenty of "cheap" flight sites, but they are never quite what you are lead to believe.
You can always try Expedia, Lastminute.com etc etc or even you local travel agents (you never know!) - fraid it is a bit of leg /finger work for you!!
çok çok teşekkür ederim libralady........ now tell me more" anybody here to talk to me "......
There are many people here to talk, but these are forums where you post questions, or subjects to discuss and in return you get help, opinions and answers etc to the questions.
Maybe think about giving up smoking and for three packets of cigarettes you can visit the wonderful Van Gogh museum!
But , after food and accomodation, Amsterdam can be appreciated for little money, the picturesque canals, the quaint shopping areas, the strange and intriguing architecture, nice parks to walk in. Out door cafes, sit with a cup of coffee and people watch. It is quite fascinating, the speed at which the Dutch people cycle around is frightening.
I need a structure to learning a language, so I have decided to use an distant learning course. I also use other sources to suppliment that course, such as books, this site, dictionary and I have found a really good one, English/Turkish. It is a Milet large portable dictionary. ISBN: 1-84059-495-0
It is not easy, but perseverance and determination is essential!! Good luck, there are plenty of helpers on this site when you get stuck.
libralady, of course you are right that most people are here to learn all about Turkey but there are many entertaining or enlightening topics which have nothing to do with Turkey...many of which you have been involved in.
I dont disagree with what you are saying!! And I agree there are plenty of very interesting and some fun non-Turkish threads. But by adding the photo's just for effect, or to provoke some remarks and then not like the reaction, and please tell me, who really has those sort's of photo's book marked???? I don't think any needs to be reminded about those brave individuals who have given their lives for a cause.
Yep, plenty of times I have contributed to the senseless threads as well. So I will shut up now :-S
I am really sad, for you took my post that way. Such a picture would be one of the last things to be laughed at. Please be sure that I am always aware very well of what I post. The fact that my first two posts were funny, might have given you the impression that my subsequent posts would be funny as well. But this is the case totaly related to you, not to my post itself. In fact I put "random" into the title, instead of "funny". Otherwise I would have written "funny things from my stumble upon bookmarks". So, I think it is your above post that needs modified.
Yes I expected the thread to follow the tones of light heartedness. And why not, there are enough troubles in the world.
I am entitled to my opinion and to voice that opinion and I cannot for the life me see what you can gain by posting picture like this (and now pictures these).
I (and several others it seems) came to this site to learn about Turkey, Turkish culture and the Turkish language hopefully from Turkish people, but unfortunately this seems to have become lost in a myriad of senseless threads (just like this one), threads for the sake of posting something. It bores me.
It is not something British people are very good at. We dont show our emotions so easily as the Turks. We dont generally grieve publically and even privately some of us find it difficult. Some people find it hard to deal with someone elses sadness or grief. They dont know how to react if someone cries. When I was younger, I didn't think men cried - at all!!!! I thought it was only something children or women do!
How grief is dealt with in different cultures is very interesting and I also think it is important to understand, especially when there are cross cultural relationships.
The monastry at Trabzon is amazing! It always intrigues me how these places are built. When you think of architecture of today and how much technology is involved.
Bod's story reminds me of a rep I was dealing with once - walked away with his hands in his pockets, revealing RED underwear from the split in the rear of his trousers that he obviously did not know was there!!
There were two finalists and he said the WRONG act had won. Fern Cotton quickly corrected him. Everyone looked everso slightly embarassed. And the poor girl who thought she had won, sort of ambled off, confused.
And for us we have Terry Wogan's dulcet tones, mockery and foreboding when introducing each song! He is the chap at the beginning of the clip above and is a British Institution!!
And for us we have Terry Wogan's dulcet tones, mockery and foreboding when introducing each song! He is the chap at the beginning of the clip above and is a British Institution!!
I have to admit, I did watch the contest again a couple of years ago, replaced my family by friends and the coke by wine and watched it on BBC because of him
I used to love the Eurovision song contest when I was a little kid because that was one of the only evenings I could stay up all night and drink a lot of coke and eat chips and stuff
But now I really couldn't be bothered Even if they paid me money to watch it I'd still need to think it over
Same to me. But: Sweden - twelve points, Suede - Douze points, it has something, don't you think?
And for us we have Terry Wogan's dulcet tones, mockery and foreboding when introducing each song! He is the chap at the beginning of the clip above and is a British Institution!!
Robyn - Lately you have seemed to be so frightened. Please, my dear poor Robyn, please don't fear! Nothing can harm you. I am here beside you. Just try to confess... don't ever fear!... confess, Robyn...that you prefer mine, not libralady's... that you adore my poem rather than hers.
It took as long to think of it as it did to type it - about 30 seconds!!
Well we picked out entry last night (not me personally of course as I still have my hearing). If this is the progress that this country has made in it's contribution to the contest, I think we should give up now!!
Actually, I think "Hopeless" just about sums it up!!
Uhmm... I would prefer to wait and see the demond of the void's approach to the function of "Hopeless" there since it is he who is the only expert of poetry around here and thus capable of indicating the function of it.
lost, forlorn, having no hope.................... courtesy the English dictionary
Like a snowflake resting on your nose,
like a raindrop trickling down your cheek,
Like a sunbeam reflecting in our hair
Like a lazy wind, searing your bones
They forget to add the part that the man manages to distribute half of his bubbles up the wall, all over the glass shower door and flick all over the bathroom! Also why do men use three times as much shampoo as women but only have a fraction of the hair!
Yep!and they walk around the house, half naked leaving a wet trail behind them, still scratching their a*se and playing with their best friend
Unfortunatley we have a saying "turn the other cheek". It happens, not necessarily always between a man and woman, but a crime such as this between any individuals in the this country, people are afraid to get involved. You watch crime programmes and the incident is filmed on CCTV, passers by just look and walk on.
Stone? UK sizes? Can you convert them to kilo's and European sizes please?
8 stone -55 kilos
9 stone - 60 kilos
10 stone -65 kilos
11 stone -70 kilos
approximately anyway uk size 8 european 36/0 us 4
uk size 10 european 38/1 us 6
uk size 12 european 40/2 us 8
uk size 14 european 42/3 us 10
my attempts at sizing and kilo conversion are not 100%accurate please don't sue
8 stone = 112Lb = 51kg
9 stone = 126lb = 57kg
10 stone = 140lb = 63½kg
11 stone = 154lb = 70kg
Oh but I do bow down to he who can write in such a form,
that one doth believe that he must be Shakespeare reincarnated,
that the mere hump must only add to his writing and ingenious prose
One with such ugliness and ungainliness must pull from the depths of his soul,
words unkown to others
One who writes in this way,
can not suffer fools gladly and can only appreciate those who interpret his prose
If you must know, yes I have been on the red wine!!
Oh, well quoting from Cyrano de Bergerac doesn't make one a poet.
I doth protest, in a polite manner, I do not quote the prose of Monsieur Bergerac!!!! It cometh from thy own pen, (with the help of a couple of glasses of red wine ) Hic! Hic!
Hmm, learning something new in English and Turkish now.. but what kind of day is that exactly?
it a day were you wear red to raise money for charity
Not exactly, it is a day, for comedy and wearing a red nose, or red ears, t-shirt with RND on it, badges etc. There is a big TV programme, of comedy, but it also shows films about raising awareness of poverty and funds for projects in Africa and also for good causes in our own country. Money is raised by people buying the red noses, t-shirts etc and telephoning into the programme to pledge donations to the cause. I think it is also in Austrialia and Germany.
AS an older memeber of this site, I would like to add, when I was 16 or 17, I weighed around 8 stone and was size UK 10. (In fact into my forties I only ever weighed around 8½ stone) Now someone my height and around 8 stone would be a size 8 or even a six. I am now a size 12 which really would be a have been at least a size fourteen, 30 or so years ago.
What we have to remember is that sizing has altered to suit the changing shape of women and I agree with Robyn (on this occasion, there is always a first and a second ) anyone who is a UK size 6 should not be thinking about losing weight, and neither would someone a size 10.
Why are you all so hung up about your size, when you get to my age you have to accept a little more of what you are. As your metabolism natually slows down, you dont get a lot of choice, it happens over night.
Everybody talking to Quasimodo, please remember that he's a POET therefore, he never actually means what he says and it doesn't necessarily have to make sense. Please, try to take it as entertainment, but if you just don't get it, don't worry - it's normal.
Oh but I do bow down to he who can write in such a form,
that one doth believe that he must be Shakespeare reincarnated,
that the mere hump must only add to his writing and ingenious prose
One with such ugliness and ungainliness must pull from the depths of his soul,
words unkown to others
One who writes in this way,
can not suffer fools gladly and can only appreciate those who interpret his prose
If you must know, yes I have been on the red wine!!
The fact that this is the only "really" nice day this week and people are already driving around with their convertable tops down and I'm stuck in this dark dingy office!
..... and I'm trying to quit smoking
Come and live in Norfolk then!! We have had this weather since Friday and it looks set to continue! 17 deg today.
Depends what you call "fluff". My current read is "Istanbul Memories of a City by Orhan Pamuk and it is heavy going, although I am enjoying it, just taking me a long time. Some would call that shite!
I read it too, in about 8 hours from Ankara to İzmir in the car because I couldnt put it away. It was indeed great, but veyr different from the other things I read from him.
Uhmm!! Better pull my finger out - if I am going to get it finished in 8 MONTHS I have a book about Cuba waiting in the wings - nearly too much to resist.
I think restaurant etiquette is an important thing to know about. The type of behaviour that goes in one country certainly does not in another. For istance, what is the best way to attract the waiter, do you call him Garson, do you wave you had whilst trying to catch his eye, do you click your fingers?
It may be different in resorts restaurants where they are used to English people or other foreigners, than in say a city such as Istanbul where maybe they are not so used to English people etc.
When you cath his eyes, you can show your finger, instead of clicking. As you said, it is about the etiquette of the restaurant.
It is the way we have always attracted the attention of waier, no matter where we have been, so it is nice to know that we are doing it right
One more thing, you are a couple, man and woman, is it OK for the woman to attract the attention of the waiter (no joke intended here ) or is it better for the man to do this.
Depends what you call "fluff". My current read is "Istanbul Memories of a City by Orhan Pamuk and it is heavy going, although I am enjoying it, just taking me a long time. Some would call that shite!
Going to Turkey? it is cheap if u are rich and it is expensive if you are not rich.
And if you're not rich, it still can be cheap!
Yes that's right! If your cost of living is high, like in the UK, Netherlands etc Turkey for us is cheap. It has nothing to do with being rich as in our countries we are not rich, just normal working people earning a reasonable living.
When I worked as a waitress 25 years ago, people doing that were customers I ignored. They just didn't exist.
Yes, it puts your back up! I noticed it the most when I was in Hong Kong, and the Americans do it all the time and they shout at the waiting staff too. There were so rude. It made me angry.
It is just nice to know what the correct restaurant behaviour etiquette is.
Does that mean this is a bias article? It also said that the Turks are looking forward to an increase in tourism from the Cypriot side. I suppose you only know the truth if you live there.
Very interesting! I was reading an article only the other day about the identity crisis in Turkey and how Nationalism is on the increase, quoting young disillusioned males living predominately in the less well off areas of Istanbul.
It was because of this devastating earthquake, that made me want to become part of a "rapid response team". Unfortunately I could not join because of work, you have to be able to go at very short notice. Most rapid responsers have a case packed ready.
Spending 8 hours of my day, three of which were in Heathrow airport, the worst Terminal possible, collecting my Taiwanse guests. Queuing to get the lift, queuing to pay for the car park, queuing to get out of the airport, and crawling in my house last night at 10:30, exhausted, one glass of wine and asleep!!
don't forget that whilst you were waiting you were apart from TC
Yes of course, how could I have missed that out of the list, it was on my mind most of the time!! They will think I have left
When I was in Turkia I used sağol be waiters when they brought the food/drinks I had ordered.
Was that too informal/wrong???
I did notice that when I said teşekkürler I got a reply in English or simply an acknowledging nod. But when I said sağol the response was mostly afiyet olsun.
I think restaurant etiquette is an important thing to know about. The type of behaviour that goes in one country certainly does not in another. For istance, what is the best way to attract the waiter, do you call him Garson, do you wave you had whilst trying to catch his eye, do you click your fingers?
It may be different in resorts restaurants where they are used to English people or other foreigners, than in say a city such as Istanbul where maybe they are not so used to English people etc.
Spending 8 hours of my day, three of which were in Heathrow airport, the worst Terminal possible, collecting my Taiwanse guests. Queuing to get the lift, queuing to pay for the car park, queuing to get out of the airport, and crawling in my house last night at 10:30, exhausted, one glass of wine and asleep!!
Let us hope that you will not be dissappointed this time. By making a stand as you have done, encourages other to do the same. At the end of the day, this is a website and the only thing people (sad, shallow people) can beat you with are words.
Trudy the earthquake epicenter was in Izmit. I remember it well. There was a documentary on UK TV about the geological fault, the devastation and the thousands that were killed. If I remember correctly they pulled someone out of the rubble around 10 days after the quake.
I know it was felt in Istanbul, as my friend who now lives on the Asian side, was living near the airport at the time and his building moved around 1m.
It is all part of the same geological fault and runs through Istanbul. Therefore Istanbul itself is at great risk of a major earthquake.
I too would be interested to hear about peoples personal experiences of this quake.
Trudy, I tried to add a link here but it did not work. You can find much about it just by googling "Izmit Earthquake"
The wall dividing the Cypriot side from the Turkish side, in Ledra Street, Nicosia was bulldozed in the early hours of yesterday morning, to the complete surpirsed of all concerned.
This is now the sixth crossing to be opened but the first in the city centre.
The Greeks welcomed the move, but there was a slightly more reserved response from the Turkish side. The Greek Cypriots have asked for the Turkish troops to be removed from the crossing.
Maybe if the "Spammers" were informed of the reason for their deletion before they were deleted then they would not attemtp to come back, or promise to change their ways. I think some of them genuinely think they are doing nothing wrong.
It is like bringing up children, if you dont tell them what they have done wrong how will they ever learn what is right or acceptable.
I am currently doing an exercise in my turkish book, and this phrase has no translation.
Sağ olun.
All I know is that sağ means right, but what do the two words mean togther. In my book they are used in formal context, like person to passport official, person to garson
just came back from my walk and I really enjoyed it!
If I'm honest the reason I'm so upset about this is because when I was younger I was always teased and bullied at times over my weight, I was always the skinny kid.
The children at school used to tell me to be careful or my legs would snap!
As I've grown older well since I've got married especially I've slowly been putting on weight. I feel for the first time in my life like a real woman! I love having an inch to pinch so to speak!
I've finally got curves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And now due to the press etc I'm BIG! My head is totally messed up!
I have a constant battle with this....... I always have this little voice warning me of how I used to look and how I don't want to be skinny minny as I was known before. I used to struggle to find nice clothes.
My mum was round earlier and she said that I could do with losing a few pounds and exercising. My husband loves me whatever. My colleagues at work think that I'm perfect and often say they wish they had my figure. Some people in Turkey called me fat.
WHAT THE HELL???????????????????????????????
See what I said? The mind.......... ignore everyone and listen to yourself. If you are satisfied then tell everyone else to shut up!
My experience of go from European side to Asian, is that the traffic was so bad, we missed the first part of the wedding we were attending
But we went to some restaurants on other occasions on the Asian side and they were brilliant. I loved the Asian side and I would like to visit more.
But I know from my friend who lives on the Asian side and travels all over Istanbul with his work, dreads the rush hours and tends to work strange hours to counter this.
But is anyone perfect? I dont think so, no one is ever completely happy with they have got, hair, eyes, body shape, weight, legs, etc etc and then there is the mind......................
I don't understand the sizing system you're using (is there some kind of converter anywhere?) but I understand what you're saying, except in my case it's the other way around. When I'm in Turkey people constantly tell me I'm too skinny yadda yadda but in Denmark my family tells me I shouldn't eat too much, watch out you don't get fat etc. Mostly it doesn't affect me because it's obvious that the only person who can judge you is yourself. If you feel comfortable in your own skin there's nothing people should tell you. Unfortunately it does affect me sometimes but I'm trying to learn how to laugh about it.
Size 0 is USA sizing, which is the same as size 4 in the UK. No idea what it would be in other European Countries. But at a guess, it would be someone who weighs around 6 stone or around 40kg. When I was a comfortable 55kg I was a size 10 (UK size) now I am a tad over that and a size 12.
Having had a classic white night. I feel as if I'm on some kind of high now, but I haven't really figured out yet whether it feels good or bad
I am intrigued as to what a "white night" is?
me too....
Well there are two possibilities:
1. A sleepless night; hence the French phrase "Passer une nuit blanche"
2. A night without full darkness, in areas such as St-Petersburg
And since I'm nowhere near St-Petersburg, the answer is easy..
ps: I promise not to make a habit of nagging about my occasional insomnia
I know the feeling as a sometimes insomniac myself. My normal waking hour is around 2:00 and hello ceiling!! But now the days are getting longer, I dont suffer so much, I am more relaxed and sleep better.
I have noticed another section added, Deleted User Section. It is useful to see who has been deleted, but I have noticed some users that I have been speaking to via PM deleted for SPAM and this suprises me. How many times does someone have to be reported for SPAM before the account is deleted and are they warned first?
I flooded someone's house, in the days when I was a cleaner!! The house was empty and I was looking after it. It was mid winter and the owner had asked me to make sure the house warm. It was an old house and not very well insulated.
I went into the house, realised the heating was not on, and found the water had been turned off. So I turned the water back on, so the heating could go on.
We had a sharp frost, the water pipes burst in the roof and the house flooded.
The Turkish community here should be so happy to have such a racist, egotistical,rude, ignorant person on this site..if anyone would care to look at chat right now you will see the way that Reinhard and a few select others act towards non Turkish members everytime he is in the chatroom
Quite frankly its pathetic
Messages have been forwarded to admin as earlier racist and death threats..yes death threats were made by this member.//Long Live Turkish Chat huh..
Thank you Admin for answering prayers..now maybe we can get on with learning and chatting like normal people
It was a little rude from your part Robyn, but nevermind well done
Why was it rude of Robyn? I think what she has done, she has followed her conviction. If this person or these people had been reading the recent posts, they would surely understand the strength of feeling for such matters. If these people want to make abusive comments, then they can do it through PM's and not done publically offending or insulting genunine members of this site.
Take all your chances while you can
You never know when they'll pass you by
Like a sum the mathematician cannot solve
Like me trying my hardest to explain
It's all about your cries and kisses
Those first steps that I can't calculate
I need some more of you to take me over
Take me over
If I had the chance to start again
Then you would be the one I'd come and find
Like a poster of Berlin on my wall
Maybe there's a chance our walls might fall
It's all about your cries and kisses
Those first steps that I can't calculate
I need some more of you to take me over
It's all about your cries and kisses
Those first steps that I can't calculate
I need some more of you to take me over
I know I because I cant calculate
How to respect you
How to start again
How to start again
How to start again
This is where the fight for womens rights, NO human rights is!!
Yes I agree now let me ask you how did you help with this. twice a year i donate my art to be auctioned for a woman's shelter and a woman's transition house i will be happy to post on my personal pictures today : )
what have you done to make a difference....or do we just talk about .... I ask
Of course, as you imply, I do nothing, I just talk the talk without walking the walk.
The Turkish community here should be so happy to have such a racist, egotistical,rude, ignorant person on this site..if anyone would care to look at chat right now you will see the way that Reinhard and a few select others act towards non Turkish members everytime he is in the chatroom
Quite frankly its pathetic
Messages have been forwarded to admin as earlier racist and death threats..yes death threats were made by this member.//Long Live Turkish Chat huh..
Thank you Admin for answering prayers..now maybe we can get on with learning and chatting like normal people
are u assuming that we are all beautiful women or is it the old cookie that everyone's beautiful
Why not? Every woman, not only ones at TC but woman in general, is beautiful (on her own way). For my part, I could say that I would be ready to marry and would marry you whether you consider yourself as beautiful or not- since it is me, man, and in fact must be me who can consider you as whether beautiful or not. Well, to cut a long story short, are you willing to marry me?
Why are you so keen to be married??? We nag, we spend your money, we argue, we want our own way, and we very often have a headache and of course if you go for a drink we want to know who you spoke to, and why, how come you smell of smoke? what is that pink mark on your shirt? and that is just Womens day!! But we can be fun to, if you know which buttons to press, the woman is your oyster
everyone's jumping on the 'leaving tc' bandwagon maybe we should start posting messages about jumping off cliffs and putting our heads in ovens then we could all do that too
I'm leaving TC too!! Around 9:00pm tonight there is something I want to watch on TV!
ooo no the travesty..im devastated.how will i ever replace you..oh yeah i'm leaving at 9:00 to watch 'in her shoes' oh well
Actually I will watch Babylon and then Benidorm!! My weekly sauce and cheese viewing Glad you were going to miss me
I think we should not think about the activists or feminists, they are able to do something for themselves. Whilst women in the west fight for equal rights and equal pay we should think about the women who cannot fight at aill.
Think about the women in the developing world that are no where near as privilidged as us. All the women who are murdered by their husbands, all the young girls as young as three that are raped in Africa, all the women who have not help during childbirth, all the women that have no access to any sort of assistance, then have to put up with their lives, if you can call it that. Read and weep!!
Two-thirds of the world's 800 million illiterate adults are women as girls are not seen as worth the investment, or are busy collecting water or firewood or doing other domestic chores.
* Two million girls aged from five to 15 join the commercial sex market every year.
* Domestic violence kills and injures more people in the developing world than war, cancer or traffic accidents.
* Seventy per cent of the world's poorest people are women.
* Violence against women causes more deaths and disabilities among women aged 15 to 44 than cancer, malaria, traffic accidents or war.
* Women produce half the world's food, but own less than two per cent of the land.
* Of the more than one billion people living in extreme poverty, 70 per cent are women.
* Almost a third of the world's women are homeless or live in inadequate housing.
* Half of all murdered women are killed by their current or former husbands or partners.
* Every minute a woman dies as a result of pregnancy complications.
* Women work two-thirds of the world's working hours, yet earn only a tenth of its income.
* One woman in three will be raped, beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused in her lifetime.
* 43 million girls are not able to go to school.
* Last year, one million HIV-positive women died of AIDS-related illnesses because they could not get the drugs they needed.
* Human Rights Watch, in reports on 15 countries including Afghanistan, Brazil, Morocco, Papua New Guinea, Togo and South Africa, has identified violence against schoolgirls, child domestic workers and those in conflict with the law as on the rise.
* Women across the developing world are the victims of systematic abuse.
Taken from an article in todays Independent.
This is where the fight for womens rights, NO human rights is!!
everyone's jumping on the 'leaving tc' bandwagon maybe we should start posting messages about jumping off cliffs and putting our heads in ovens then we could all do that too
I'm leaving TC too!! Around 9:00pm tonight there is something I want to watch on TV!
It is a race, and will attract a strong field of sub 30 minuters! I was overtaken on my first lap by the winner finishing his second!
It is the GEAR in King's Lynn, Norfolk and places are filling fast. Great venue, through historic parts of the town, great atmosphere and more importantly a flat run!!
Personally I think that a healthy body shape is more important - different genes and metabolism mean we all are naturally different and we should make the most of what we have and enjoy being unique.
I wish that were true! However, there are beauty standards and documented cases of discrimination based on lacking. There was a recent report, trying to find it, where 'beautiful' people out earned average looking individuals. I don't believe it is something that women make up in there heads!
I think the earnings side of things is more to do whether you are confident or not and how you portray yourself. As someone who regularly interviews, if a woman or a man for that matter are happy with themselves, then this comes over in the interview. And same goes for promotion.
Thanks!! I didn't even know such a day existed! Better rush home, put my feet up, watch telly with a bottle of nice red wine, and order myself a handsome waiter to serve me with ice cream!!
ouh sure u deserve but not the ones who acts the pure innocent mummy....do u want any drink dear?
no alcohol please
Who said anything about being innocent and I am not a "mummy" now as my fledglings have flown the nest and hey whats wrong with a bit of fantasy anyway? Make life tick over.........
Yep I do that, but I did the 10K last October and doing another in May. It is a lot of fun the 5k races as they are women only!
Yeh, I also enjoy the fact that you can run in memory or support of people ahnd the atmosphere is good especially during the warm ups hehe where do u do the 10ks?
I have done the cancer research 10k race for life at the Queens Royal Estate, Sandringham!! the May one is not for charity.
Thanks!! I didn't even know such a day existed! Better rush home, put my feet up, watch telly with a bottle of nice red wine, and order myself a handsome waiter to serve me with ice cream!!
Sorry but I have to disagree to a point! Whilst I find the size 0 issue abhorent, it is a very small minority of girls that are actually acheiving this, mostly anorexic models and film stars. How many girls walking down our high streets are size 0? Most of them are seriously overweight. Why is it that 20% of all pregnant women are obese before pregnancy. Obesity is far more of a problem in our society (UK and USA at least) than anorexia ever will be.
I don't attribute this (size zero) to feminism at all, it is more likely that women are trying to out do women. Women, as we know, are very critcal of women. How often has you been aware of another women eyeing you up in a most critical way, sort of "what the hell does she look like, what is she wearing".
In the 50's, my parents day, women were generally much slimmer, had slimmer waists, etc etc, and more hour glass shape. Now waist lines have increased and clothing sizing has been adjusted to take account of this increase in female shapes. Average waist in the 50's was arond 22" or 23" and now it is more like 26" or 27". (Apologies to those who work in metric)
I do think that much of has to do with magazines, even health and fitness magazines are responsible too. But I do not think that is has anything to do with pornography, it is womens choice to partipate in this, most of the time, but granted there are exceptions.
With the modelling situation, some countries are banning size 0, then the girl create because they say it is discrimination. But how often do you see a model over a size 10?
Just to make something clear, I modified my previous post. I am leaving but not deleting my account so I will drop by now and then.
Also I owe someone an essay and I made a promise and promises must be kept.
So for now, take care and farewell until I see you again!
Love you all!
I always find the topic of winning money a difficult one, as it so often leads to a destroyed life rather than a better one. Loverprague, you will have heard of the Lottolout? He lives near me
But if I won a enough money, I would give up work, I would give to charity, go to a deprived area of the world and see what difference I could make, I would make sure my sons were comfortable, and I would help my nieces and nephews too (money would be put into trust until they reached a certain age).
Then maybe I would buy a yacht and moor it somewhere nice, hot and sunny...............
As I started this thread, and it has now become a bit 'nit picky' I thought I would draw it back to it's original title. I have done some searching to try and find out why the books have been banned and by whom!
It appears that anyone, individual or group, can make a request for a book to be banned. Who actually makes the decision on that ban I cannot find out (or I could if I spent more time looking). Many books have either been challenge or have been banned for ridiculous reasons.
Then sorry about the misunderstanding. For me, Prima Donna
refers to such great sopranos like Callas, Tebaldi, Fireni, Sutherland, Milanov etc. And I believe the uses you are referring to are vernacular variations. Prima Donna is originally Italian and everybody knows what it actually means.
I prefer to speak international English. I am not a native speaker of this language. So if by chance my choice of words is improper in some countries, I apoligize for the inconvenience. If I am making a mistake about the universal meaning of that word I would be indebted to you if you correct me.
Other than that I am not curious about local connotations. I use English to communicate. If I break someone's heart because of ill use of words, please at least consider the effort I have so far made to be understandable by you.
You have a very good command of English and Prima Donna actually means "First Lady" in Italian and it started with female Opera singers and I think moved swiftly onto those who want their own way!! Ill mannered, egotistical, with a high opinion of themselves, but not shared by others.
Libralady is right. No personal attack.
I used it exactly as she described. My use of the preposition there maybe wrong but there is nothing confusing in the meaning. So, cheer up...
By the way, even if that wasn't my intention what is wrong with being called a Prima Donna?
PS. In many of my postings I use 'you' in a literal sense. It means 'everyone' or 'anyone' it is a habit transfered from my native tongue.
Wooooohooooo!! I defended you!! NO ONE likes to be called a Prima Donna in the UK at least!!! Makes you think of spoilt, over paid footballers who roll around on the floor for the least little tackle, or people who like be famous, and walk around as if they have a bad smell under their noses. I am sure there are some people who are willing to name names, but I abstain from that!!
I had a very close friend take her life last friday after talking to me. I was the last person that spoke with her and a week and a half later and a thousand people trying to tell me how it isn't my fault cannot remove this guilt in the pit of my stomach that I could have offered just a couple words to change her mind
You cannot see into the mind of another person. You were a friend and that is the important part.
Why is it that when I am waiting to turn right, on my way to work, that no-one can see me? As the cars slowly crawl past me (yes they are in a queue!) I am invisible. I decided to do my own straw poll - who is most likely to let me out!!
1) Lorry drivers
2) Van drivers
3) Male driver
4) Old people
5) Young people
6) Lastly female driver!
Thank you for the photographs. Yes, I can now see how vitally important it was to cover up an 11 year old and ensure she was not sexually attractive to men.....
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I think you need to calm your tongue, but I understand that you are a little perturbed by the "morrons" on this site that have dared to challenge your opinion. I happen to agree, why should an 11 year old girl have to cover up to save herself from being attractive to men, is that not just a little perverted?
And do you know that Tõmer is also available through Distance Learning. I am now assessing whether it is worth while as the lessons are very structured. You can have a look at sample lessons (Units) on the site.
Tömer has more than one branch in İstanbul. When some students/learners, especially the spoon-feeding kind, haven't managed to learn any subject they tend to blame their theachers, schools for their own failure as they just can't admit it is their own failure. There are, of course, unqualified teachers too.
Maybe this is cynical, but I'm convinced that Alltoohuman had a good understanding of the meaning of the word he used. His other posts show that he had a good grasp of the language, just take a look here for example. People who don't have a good understanding of the language also don't argue that they're right despite being officially warned! He's just a sexist manipulator with a dirty mind who thinks that he's smart enough to get away with anything he wants to, despite continuously violating all boundaries.
as far as i know fifa banned metal spikes, it is now plastic stubs only..
And when they make skin contact, they still rip through skin...
Sorry I had to add to this. Football boots have studs on them and they are made of a similar material to the base of the boot - plastic and yes they will scratch the skin or even cut the skin, when a bad tackle is made. But a scarf, you can actually choke yourself on it - bit of a difference here I think.
Uhmmm still going? Not been locked yet! Well I am suprised.............. This could not have ended a more mud slinging religious debate if anyone had tried.
in essex every other word from someone's mouth is c*unt so it depends on how you were raised and the usage in your area as to whether you take offence or not to, so it is usually easier to err on the side of caution.
Robyn, I just noticed this too, sorry but I had to laugh out loud, you are a gem girl!!
Soccer's ruling body has backed Quebec officials who banned a Muslim girl from playing in a tournament near Montreal because she wore a head scarf.
CTV.ca News Staff
Asmahan Mansour, 11, was ejected from the game for not removing her hijab on the field.
The International Football Association Board -- FIFA -- held its annual meeting Saturday in Manchester, England.
The board was asked to make a ruling on the plight of Asmahan Mansour, the 11-year-old who was told last weekend that she couldn't play in the under-12 tournament in Laval unless she removed her religious head-covering known as a hijab.
Brian Barwick, who spoke on behalf of the board, said it is important to be respectful to "people's thoughts and philosophies,'' but added that the rules of the game must be followed.
"We believe our football to be inclusive. It's part of what we believe our football to be," Barwick said during a news conference.
"But of course if you play football there are basic laws. And law four outlines what the basic laws are concerning gear. I think it's absolutely right to be sensitive to people's thoughts and philosophies but equally football has a set of rules it has to adhere to."
Law four lists the items a player is entitled to wear and head scarves are not mentioned.
Goalkeepers are allowed to wear caps and protective headgear.
The Quebec Soccer Association said the headscarf violated a no-headgear rule set down by FIFA for safety reasons.
The soccer referee who ordered Mansour to remove her headscarf was also a Muslim.
When she was ejected from the game for refusing to remove the covering, Mansour's coach withdrew the team from the tournament in protest.
As one of the prospective "morrons" are you saying here that you think she should wear her scarf or she should not? I can't be bothered to search through the rest of the posts to find out.
I will reiterate, so the rules say she should not wear a scarf, simple if you want to play football, you dont wear a scarf. Anyway, as a Muslim, now come she was being allowed to play football, I thought this was a no no for Muslim girls. Now that smacks double standards. Want to wear a scarf and play football, but dont want to play by the rules.
But I will also reiterate, when in Rome do as the Romans do!! In other words you respect the society you have decided to live and you abide by the rules and laws of that society.
We (UK), and many other European countries allow many imigrants into our Countries, some legally but some illegally, with Italy have a huge problems with illegal imigration from North Africa. And as you know, European countries are Christan countries. What is happening is a sort of reverse racisim. Our countries are trying to accomodate other religions, Islam, Hinud, Sikh etc etc some successfully and integration has worked relatively well. But when religious groups start to dictate to the host country that is when I have a problem.
So now please explain to us why we are morrons? Maybe I should shut my mouth now.
in essex every other word from someone's mouth is c*unt so it depends on how you were raised and the usage in your area as to whether you take offence or not to, so it is usually easier to err on the side of caution.
Are all Essex people that rude? They never learned that some words can't be used in public? Poor Essex.
Shame is Trudy is it not just Essex. But that is a good example. Sadly I have a brother who thinks it is fine to use these words in conversation with his only sister (apparently last Sunday I was f**k**g miserable c**t), infact they are more frequently used in all of his conversations than normal everyday words and if I know he is on the phone, "I am not in" as I find it extremely offensive!!
Sadly he also used to talk to his daughters in this way (similar to the way we were spoken to as children by my father). Thankfully they have managed to grow up fine, (without him as he abandoned them) but he still has not (grown up).
In my opinion, how you were brought up or spoken to has no bearing on how you decide to speak as an adult. I consider it to be down right ignorant.
In addition to what I previously said, we must actually be talking about ethnic hatred which is of course quite different from racism.
How?
How for sure? I feel that ethinic hatred is maybe worse than so called racism, which often ends up with a genocide. I could quote a few but I am on my way to the pub!
I dont know why you distinguish between the too. Ethnic and racial hatred are BOTH racism surely?
I distinguish between the two only to point out that they share the same country, fellow country men! I don't see a difference, may be a poor use of words.
I think another point that ought to be considered here, is why do people not respect the rules of that country? Regardless of religion. We are bending over backwards all of the time, especially in England to accomodate all religions, to the extreme of actually discriminating against Christians.
I don't go a lot on any religion as I feel that is causes far too many problems, but I do think that if a rule is applied and other children abide by it then NO the headscarf should not be worn whilst playing football. The first thing I would have considered is the health and safety side of it. No jewellery is taken taken for granted so why not no headscarf. I cant think how ridiculous that must look. Have you ever seen anyone play football in a Turban?
Perhaps a compromise could be reached and she wear a scull cap similar to the patka that Monty Panesar wears (a Sikh Cricketer in the UK).
Why can't everyone apply a modicum of common sense these days! Why cannot people try and integrate into the society they have chosen to live in, but instead of that try and get the rules changed for them.
Nothing at all well, there would be a few things that I could moan about but nothing is bugging me today because of something that happened yesterday that kept me smiling all day today.
Even after working for 10 hours from 7am, trying to teach the basic routine of the cashier to a hungairan who's english and memory isn't the best, and walking home in a storm and ending up at home soaking wet and freezing cold I am still smiling and happy
Sorry Kai, but you should not be working 10 hours, it is illegal in the UK for anyone under 18 to work more than and 8 hour day!! Who the hell do you work for????
Well, I have an hour break, and 2 15 mins breaks to....I'm just there for 10 hours....so I guess I work 8.5 hours, though a few times I haven't had my secong 15 minute break, so not too much over.
Doesn't matter, it is illegal and your supervisor or manager should not let you work more than 8 hrs!! So do you get paid for more than 8 hours? Afraid that Inland Revenue will pick that up and your Company could well be in trouble!
Nothing at all well, there would be a few things that I could moan about but nothing is bugging me today because of something that happened yesterday that kept me smiling all day today.
Even after working for 10 hours from 7am, trying to teach the basic routine of the cashier to a hungairan who's english and memory isn't the best, and walking home in a storm and ending up at home soaking wet and freezing cold I am still smiling and happy
Sorry Kai, but you should not be working 10 hours, it is illegal in the UK for anyone under 18 to work more than and 8 hour day!! Who the hell do you work for????
Carter was in office in the cold war era. He was first known as the peanut king. As far as I remember he has a farming background. He adopted a peaceful approach but became a victim of the circumstances instead when the other pole (Soviet Union) wanted to take advantage of his passivism. A series of hardliners were in power than and the President's consultants were in favour of responding to stern policies with stern policies. On the whole, he cannot be compared to the Bushes or Clinton. Interestingly, Carter was succeeded by a series of hardliners whereas in Russia a serious of more moderate leaders were in office.
Yes he was definitely one of the better presidents and maybe one of the only ones that did not have a history either, or affairs etc!
In addition to what I previously said, we must actually be talking about ethnic hatred which is of course quite different from racism.
How?
How for sure? I feel that ethinic hatred is maybe worse than so called racism, which often ends up with a genocide. I could quote a few but I am on my way to the pub!
If it were not for the early extreme "bra burners" you would not be enjoying a lot of the freedom that you currently enjoy now
You may not realise it but I am of the AGE of the bra burners!! And I remember it all very well. Anyway all I said was that I do not like the WORD feminist or feminism, but I prefer to call it equality!
This morning I opened my computer, opened Turkish Class and before me was a new thread which I felt compelled to reply to, whilst thinking, AllTooHuman you are a gem, a jewel in the crown of TC
When I come to Turkey in June, I want to buy a couple of rugs. Does anyone know of reputable shops, who can ship to the UK, in Fethiye or the locality?
If anyone does have a name, and doesnt' want to leave it here please send me a PM.
i think everythings will be nicer and world will be more livable when we all feel our problems to others to,so world need more humanist politicans away from selfish nationalist ideas..thx for the nice link vine
I hate the word 'feminism' it reminds of the days when groups of women banded together and burned their bra's. A feminist to me is a woman who is not satisfied with herself. I am not a feminist, I like men too much for that man hating stuff. I prefer to think of myself as an equal, not physically as this will never be possible, but mentally, intellectually and competitively in business, DIY, etc and on a lighter note, drinking games. Treat a man as an equal and they will treat you the same - in my experience anyway!
Under the choice panel there is a counter which seemed to give number of seconds it took - or perhaps it was linked to something else. Mine always seemed to say 9 seconds. Pehaps I better put my glasses on and have another look.
Are you talking about:
http://www.boddison.com/cgi-bin/turkish/vowelgroup.pl
If so - you should be aiming at less than one second per vowel!!!
Under the choice panel there is a counter which seemed to give number of seconds it took - or perhaps it was linked to something else. Mine always seemed to say 9 seconds. Pehaps I better put my glasses on and have another look.
Just got 100% in the vowel harmony section - however the clock just about ran out of time!!!!. Will keep practising until I can do each one in less than 5 seconds per answer
- I run each teen me?
- A wet each team.
- I run each make is tea your sun each.
- Higher them in each team.
- Catch bar duck each teen?
- On bar duck each team.
- Why high one why!
I can't get anything from above sentence.
What are they?
Words?? I am not suprised you can't get anything from the above sentances - sorry words :-S . Is it something to do with american football as they dont make any sense at all?
a gifted singer???? hahahahahaha you really need to hear me sing!!! I don't even sing infront of my partner....actuallly make that especially not infront of
Partner? Does this mean you have moved out and now living with a man??
It goes without saying that both quotes were posted not to take aim at you. And you know, except for several, none of who is a Turkish learner, no Turkish learner comes here to check out what you are eating, drinking, wearing, listening, telling today; this site is none-the-less where people can learn Turkish, right?
Nike
Reebok
Coca Cola
McDonalds
Disney
Apple Walmart
Gap
and these are the ones I can think off the top of my head.
Apple???
How so???
There was a huge article in the Mail and also from a contact I have in Hong Kong who investgate social and ethical activities in Chinese factories, it was discovered that they were not paying the minimum wage, the dormitories blocks were locked at night (a dangerous practice) they were not paid overtime at the right rate and the were fined for breaking disciplinary rules, to below the miminum wage which is illegal.
This is the Ipod factory (Foxcom)where they employ something like 200,000 workers.
But if you really investigated, many large organisations have unethical practices and I mentioned once before that if we boycotted every unethical supplier we would never buy anything.
You are so hung up on Mircosoft that you must have nightmares about them,
'Bill Gates creeps into your room at night, he opens your computer, shock horror, you don't subscribe to Microsoft, but you have some other (sorry I have never heard of it)software. EEEEEEKKKK what shall I do :-S , (check that AllTooHuman is sleeping ). Sleeping like a baby, HeHe, I will remove the Linux software and replace with Microsoft'
Oh no AllTooHuman has woken from his dream, just in time it seems, a cold seat running from his brow.......... phew! I still have my trusty Linux software, I better sleep with my computer, just in case
The photography is far too beautiful to close your eyes - the first time, but the second time, drift away, my imagination takes me on a journey ................
I am afraid that Condoliza Rice is only there because it is convenient for George Bush, woman, black, in power! She is no more than one of his poodles. Remember the conversation had between Blair and Bush, that whould not have been heard?
As for sexism, that is just another word for political correctness gone mad.
By the way, I am a successful business woman, a Senior Manager in a family owned manufacturing company only reporting to the Director, and I have made my own way here.
I can't stand Condelezza Rice, but I have to beg to differ. Her knowledge of several languages, education level, prior accomplishments, leadership ability and public speeching skills should NOT be overlooked because of her political association. Yes, she is a political pond just like EVERY man in G.W. Bush's cabinet, advisory board, and his appointed Supreme Court Judges. To pick on her and say she needed a man because she is a woman is SEXISM! You should also be pointing out that every man associated with G.W.Bush is used by him and has used him to get something as well! Double standards should not be tolerated!
They are beautiful. However, it made me wonder something. How do Turkish muslims react to such portraits? I always understood that paintings of "live beings" were forbidden in Islam? Is this true?
Yes you are right and that is why Islam art developed the mosaics, with a debate as to whether mosaics from thousands of years were produced with compasses.
By the way, the paintings and photo's are beautiful.
I grew up in an area where they didn't teach languages until high school either and when I moved and went to high school most of my new friends were taught french from a young age becuase they were from an area that taught it at a young age.
Half of my high school was taught German and Spanish and the other half (me included) was taught German and French. I wasn't very good at French, ecpecially with my friends already ahead of me. Thankfully I made up for it in German, with the help of my German nanny I still wish I was taught Spanish instead of French because spending a long period of time out in Spain (Costa Del Sol) when I was younger (couple of years before I started high school) helped me to be ahead of most people in that but I wasn't picked to do it but now I am making up for it by studying it now.
Having half my family being Turkish I used to speak a little when I was around 5/6 to my favourite uncle (who I have lost contact with now) as he used to teach me and loved it, and laughed when I couldn't pronounce some words right .
Anyway I grew out of it and spoke to him in English all the time after and forgotten what I learnt which is a shame and then I went to Turkey last year and I just wanted to learn it again for the sake of it but ended up giving up ....well, slowly giving up
At the moment I am concentrating mostly on Spanish and hope to become fluent in it as I hope to do a college course in it. Also, better because I have my own private tutor Then I hope to learn Arabic, though it will be a long shot because of its difficulty, so I know that will take a lot of studying to do. A friend of mine has also offered to help with Arabic when I begin learning which is helpful.
At the college I will be attending to this year they teach soooooo many languages....chinese, japanese, russian, sign language (I know a little of due to a deaf friend), spanish, french, German, Polish etc but the two languages I wanted to go into (Arabic and Turksih) they didn't teach and the closest school they did teach it was in the central of London and 2 hours away. I am tempted but wont apply until I finish my other courses. So a couple of years at least yet
Kai learn to walk before you run!! Dont take on so much, and did you know that sign language is more or the same all over the world?
Quote Robyn.... wish languages were taught earlier in english school.they are not even started until secondary(high school) age ...
not so, I was taught french from the age of 5...
well its not the case in essex schools.
Or Cambridgeshire or Norfolk - maybe in private schools, but definitely not in bog standard primary schools. I learnt Spanish for one year age 11 - 12 and French from 13 - 15 that is it! The rest I have taught myself.
I am afraid that Condoliza Rice is only there because it is convenient for George Bush, woman, black, in power! She is no more than one of his poodles. Remember the conversation had between Blair and Bush, that whould not have been heard?
As for sexism, that is just another word for political correctness gone mad.
By the way, I am a successful business woman, a Senior Manager in a family owned manufacturing company only reporting to the Director, and I have made my own way here.
Not sure what message is being sent to us here, it is rather disconcerting that nearly all the most powerful women are from USA and now doubt, if the truth be known they have a either powerful man or a rich man behind them. It would be better to know how many of these "powerful women" are actually self made.
I like to write an ode or rhyme
It’s a fun way to pass the time
After many years of composition
I am here is this strange position
The hardest part of the whole process
And the least enjoyable I must confess
Unless of course you pay a mint
Is to get the bloody stuff into print
It is a puzzle for us all to solve, especially as they are now on offer by the Independent News paper for the next 25 weeks! I already have a Clockwork Orange, free with Saturdays issue. The rest you have to pay for.
And I still back up my former remark- the USA and the UK will remain monolingual, for the very language of their own will sooner or later be, if not by now, virtually the second language of all other countries. This is what I have observed from the way things are going; I may, needles to say, be wrong. But at least this is what I intended to refer to.
After my error from earlier, English will always be the official language in UK and USA. UK does not border with any other country, and most countries that have more than one official langauge border another country (or more) or am I digging a hole for AllTooHuman to dump my feeble post into!
I know French, Spanish and Italian as well as Egnlish but I would never claim that I can speak them, until I am fluent and can be clearly understood in those countries.
By the way, I must say I envy of you in this respect!
I have read this again and realise how dumb it sounds! Of course, I can hold my own in English
There is a big article in the Independent this week outlining 25 banned books and the reasons why. But they range from to much sexual content, too much violence, arguments for and against various religions, politics etc.
It also talks about those authors ahd journalists that have been murdered because of their writing. For instance, Hrant Dink(we all know why), Anno Politkovsaya for her dogged research into the Putin governemnt, Litvinenko was about to publish a book about the provocation of the 2nd Chechnian war. Then there are the threats to life of Salman Rushdie and Orham Pamuk.
And of course freedom of speech is probably a far more dangerous proposition in this day and age. Anyway, here is the list of books (in no particualr order):
1) A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess
2) A Farwell to Arms - Ernest Hemingway
3) Lolita - Vladamir Nabokov
4) Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
5) Metamorphasis - Franz Kafka
6) Bortal Boy - Brendan Behan
7) Madame Bovary - Gustave Flaubert
8) One Day in the Life of Ivan Deisovich - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
9) All Quiet on the Western Front - Erich Maria Remarque
Ten) Beautiful Losers - Leonard Cohen
11) Cry, the Beloved Country - Alan Paton
12) I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings - Maya Angelou
13) Lady Chatter's Love - DH Lawerence
14) Naked Lunch - William Burrooughs
15) A Boy's Own Story - Edmund White
16) The Ginger Man - J P Donleavy
17) Slaughterhouse-Five - Kurt Vonnegut
18) The Adventures of Tom Sawyer - Mark Twain
19) Last Exit to Brooklyn - Hubert Selby, Jnr
20 The Prince - Niccolo Machiavelli
21) Sing from the Well - Reinaldo Arenas
22) The Vatican Cellars - Andre Gide
23) Tropic Of Cancer - Henry Miller
24) Shame - Taslima Nasrin
25) Fahrenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury
Now is there not a little something inside us that makes us want to go and read these books.
What I dont understand, and will findout, is why Tom Sawyer was banned when it was a series on TV when I was a teenager. I saw the film Clockwork Orange when I was 17 and read Lady Chatterly's lover (unexpurgated version) when I was around 17 too. Also that has been made into a TV film.
I know 'going off topic' is a TC tradition but how the hell did Brad Pitt and Jude Law end up in a forum titled The Most Powerful Women in the World??
:-S
Ummm I dont want to tempt fate, but aren't we missing someone lately???
See what you've done
thats exactly what i meant by saying at least rain was straight to the point
I think it is quite straightforward - they are using a part of their brain that is only know to a particular breed of person, those with a sense of humour!
What AllTooHuman is getting as is as individuals they are monolingual, in general, not as a nation.. The UK has many different languages spoken too, but normally only one language per person!! I know French, Spanish and Italian as well as Egnlish but I would never claim that I can speak them, until I am fluent and can be clearly understood in those countries.
I suddenly have this vision of Catwoman in a black all in one Emma Peal style suit, complete with whiskers and tail Glad you cleared up the "picture" business Mr Q!!
Not a recent embarrassment but funny all the same. Walking round Tescos on a summers day, I didn't realise I had the zip of my thin summer dress undone all the way down to the top of my knickers (before the days of thongs fortunately!)and it was a great deal colder in there than I had anticipated and I wondered why everyone was staring at me..............
Dear everybody,
I apologize to those who feel offended by my posts. I don't understand why it would be the case, but I realize that I'm blatantly making fun of certain things, sometimes in aggressive ways, and that - understandably - might be uncomfortable to people on this web site. I suppose I was assuming that these things aren't personal, I hope you will understand. Thank you .
catwoman, may be people on here aren't used to seeing you making fun of anything, but have seen you arguing in an amazonian way all the time, whenever you came onto the stage from behind the one-way mirror where you prefer staying. I am not entitled to speak out on behalf of the others, however personally I would like to see a catwoman the way she looks in real.(A few weeks ago I happened to see you and were very suprised.) You are a totally different person from the way you look in real.
I actually agree with Qdemir (except I haven't seen you , I always thought of you as someone who does not see the funny side of things, and I would never have guessed you were joking!
My relationship has come to an end. I went out to Istanbul to see my boyfriend. Before I went I learnt a bit of Turkish. He never encouraged me at all, in fact he didn't seem to want me to learn at all. I did it so that we could communicate better and also to show that I was willing. When I got out there one night i was talking to one of his friends in turkish, just jokingly he was saying how are you in turkish, and i answered him etc. He told me to go in the hotel then when we got in the hotel he was angry with me. Told me I looked stupid. When I asked why he said "you know just 5 words. It look stupid. You say just same 5 words to everybody"(actually its more like 25 words I now know) I said:"But I am proud of myself for learning" and he said "But you say, I'm learning turkish, not say the 5 words". He said in turkey it is very bad to say turkish to someone when you are not turkish or cannot speak it fluently. He has finished with me now cos we argued about this.
Is he right in saying this?
Whether is is right or wrong, good ridance I would say. If anyone ever did that to me they would feel the full force of my boot, where the sun don't shine! Carry on learning Turkish, don't let that put you off.
Yes, I also would like to join the "Don't Go Joey Campaign" with just a small request from Joey to please explain his decision instead of just threatening us and making me look bad .
Is that sarcasm? Whatever, I would be happy to start the "Don't Go Joey" campaign. I am sure I am not the only member who would be devastated if he was driven away...
Not at all! I agree, we dont need to lose valued members............. I nearly started another thread
As this is probably my last post in TC I would like to thank all the members (even Fener fans )for the fun I have had over the last 16 months.Kendine iyi bakınız
Dont worry Joey - if you get 'deleted' just reinvent yourself as 'joey x'
Know one would ever know that you were rejoining! You could disguise it further, Joey or Joey or JoeyWeresYaTroosers
what an eloquent 'speech' everyone tries to make, is it a simple show off? or real brilliance of minds?
anyhow, i bet everyone is right here from his/her own part... i like reading this kinda posts, people thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Absolute brillance of course! Burrowing into the depths of our sense of humour departments. (Brainy smilie required) Glad we can be of service and keep you entertained!
Austrialia has announced today that it is banning incandescant light bulbs for them to be replaced with low energy fluorescent bulbs over the next couple of years. This could cut green house gas emissions by 4 million tonnes by 2012.
Such a simple thing with a huge effect. I am glad to say that my house already has energy saving lights bulbs.
catwoman you say you do not laugh at 'shallow jokes' yet you post a thread like '85 rules of a real(Macho)man'
Great, Joey! Let's unite against women! Let's not forget we men had been oppressed by women in matriarchal societies of the past!
So we are a bit like elephants then, some in more ways than one , or meercats, the female dominates the group and you know why this is? Nothing wrong with a dominant female, most men seem to like, uhmm, enjoy it- even pay for it
By the way, we only laugh at shallow jokes when we post them
I have it! I find a bit "so so". OK for single words, sometimes but not so accurate for a sentance. That is translating either English to Turkish or Turkish to English. It does have a good dicionary tho'. You can trial it for a month or so, I think, free of charge.
"For instance, if one of the spouses continuously refuses to have sexual intercourse this may be considered as grounds for divorce. Other grounds that have been accepted in precedent cases include revealing family secrets, insulting the other spouse, humiliating activities against the other spouse, bedwetting and having bad breath."
These seem rather flimsy reasons for divorce (except maybe bed wetting YUK) - does incessent snoring count too??
I would open the conversation by saying " can I have a word with you, I need to talk to you about a pay rise"
There would be no speech, no beating around the bush, just straight to the point. If you have a good relationship with your boss why do you need a speech?? And even if you dont have a good relationship with your boss a speech sounds like you are crawling to him/her.
Anyway, it is not up to and should not be up to one individual to make a difference to world poverty problems but up to governments to get it sorted and stop fighting and creating more poverty.
Well.. Put aside the jokes, I have a common sense and am quite aware of what you stated, too. Perhaps it is worth to mention that people could help the refugees by not using Micro$oft products, too. You know, last month Micro$oft released its BadVi$ta. According to a research published by a business magazine in Turkey (Cost of WindowsVista (in Turkish) ), by upgrading all the computers in public institutions in Turkey to Windows Vista, 620.000 computers (%64,6 of all) will have to be thrown into trash, cost of which is about $310.000.000 (excluding those will require hardware upgrade.) This huge amount applies to only Turkey, and you can spread this case to all countries in the world. And what can be done with some $310.000.000 I will leave you.
Solution? Here is one:
I am sorry, but more fool them for installing software that they dont really need. I certainly wont be. Unfortunately Microsoft have been allowed to create a monopoly and most computer users have to put up with that, and I guess you run your computer on some other system other than windows.
I can't really see how not using Microsoft software/products will stop poverty, by putting people out of work all over the world, tell me the economics of that?
Again, there is money wasted all over the world and one of my biggest bug bares is the amount of money spent on sending people into space - tell what use that is apart of designing a bit of kevlar.
I have been searching for this thread for ages, in an effort (or not as the case may be!) to increase my vocabulary,so here it is to help anyone else. Natlisa did a fantastic job, where is she now??
Girls, girls, girls... a lot of posts about girls uffffffffffff What about boys, what are they,
who???
Because girls are by far more complicated or, with catwoman's words, 'evolved way further than men'. We are, unlike women, as simple as not worth being dealt with, without trouble, worry, pain, complaint. Just simple! Happy are we!. See the picture below.
And take note that the man switch is in the 'on' position ............... ready for action but see how small it is?? If a man had really designed this machine I am sure he would have made the switch much bigger
Anyway, it is not up to and should not be up to one individual to make a difference to world poverty problems but up to governments to get it sorted and stop fighting and creating more poverty.
Microsoft will contribute to ninemillion.org. All contributions will benefit ninemillion.org to support educational programs for refugee youth.
What a campaign! It almost brought tears to my eyes! Is this just another confession of Mr.Gate$? What if Micro$oft itself is one of the main reasons that there are millions of refugees on the earth? How the refugees, I am sure, to be able to see the world through completely different Windows.
Hehe! "Microsoft will contribute to blah blah..." Pah!
I think you will find that Mr Gates contributes considerably to charitiable causes.
Modified after reading the rest of the thread seems like no-one cares whether he contributes or not, but you certainly enjoyed a good argument all the same........... All the buns been thrown?? or are there more to come........
Thanks Aslan, but I think I have to read this a lot of times to really understand it. :-S Your explanation is good but I am not that fast in getting it in my head.
I am with you on this Trudy! It is complicated :-S
A successful man is the one who is able to earn much more than his wife can spend -and a successful woman is the one who can find such a husband.
I hate to be a party pooper, but I hate this kind of joke implying that women are all looking for a husband (AND a meal ticket!). I can take care of myself thank you!
Me too Aenigma!! Actually I earn more than my husband so am I the meal ticket??
I loved Wild Swans (Jung Chang). I dont know why but of all the harrowing things that happened, it was the grandmothers foot-binding which really stuck in my mind!
Ouchhhhhhh!
It was heart rendereing in places and that lead me to stop reading novels and start reading about people and their lives - so Patricia Cornwall was out of the picture or off the shelves!!
Another Chinese related book was 'Falling Leaves: The Memoir of an Unwanted Chinese Daughter
by Adeline Yen Mah' and I am not ashamed to say this one made me cry not something I admit to lightly
one book I could not put down, was "Silence of the Lambs" by Thomas Harris.
this is another good story that is perfectly screened in movies...
heard that 4th one of that series is coming...
Having read the book first made the film even better. I am not sure I think there is a fourth film, something about revenge and I dont think this time it is Anthony Hopkins.
Having scanned through the tread I am ashamed to say that I have not read hardly any of the books listed except Jonathan Seagull which I loved! and Lady Chatterley's Lover, the unexpurgated version of course.
My literary list are mostly biographies and true stories(for example Wild Swans, The mysteries of Olga Checkova)and I used to be a Patricia Cornwall fan (no classics here! just blood and gore) and one book I could not put down, was "Silence of the Lambs" by Thomas Harris.
I am well and truley sitting on the fence on this one! But I will say that this class represents quite accurately class 4S - that was my class age 15!!
I am well and truley sitting on the fence on this one! But I will say that this class represents quite accurately class 4S - that was my class age 15!!
Other than buying cards...Why is valentine's day silly?
Is it anymore silly tha Christmas presents?
The principle of the day is not silly but what it has become is!! You just want to walk around the shops in the UK and then you will think 'this is silly'
Well-said! Here is the key expression revealing the meaning and importance of the day! But we, as lovers, should not be satisfied, I think, with only goods of that kind, we must also rush immediately to the chemists or any other places where we can buy condoms; so that only then could we wholly comprehend the meaning and importance of the day.
Nobody say that a condom company didn't make up this day first and cover it with so-called Valentine story.
Quoting Capoeira:
Nobody should be without chocolates on this day!!!!!
I somehow read this as 'Nobody should be without condoms on this day!!!!', but don't know why.
Well I am hard pressed to think of anything more 'romantic' than rushing to the chemist to buy condoms! Why are you not prepared for the 'special day' I was going to mention flavour - oh why not
What a very strange survey Does it actually tell us anything or is it not about the same the world over?
Think it depends how you define "love" at the age! All the boys I knew (and some girls for that matter) thought that love was ........... well I will leave that for you to guess
+1!! although this can also happen above college age too
I sent myself some flowers and a card! hehehe Being married for nearly a century (or it seems like it........) valentines day is just another insignificant day
What a very strange survey Does it actually tell us anything or is it not about the same the world over?
Think it depends how you define "love" at the age! All the boys I knew (and some girls for that matter) thought that love was ........... well I will leave that for you to guess
My husbands, cousins daughter got a pulmonary embolism through a long haul flight and was very ill for quite a while, as it was left undiagnosed for sometime. She was 28 at the time and has not flown long haul since, 6 or 8 years ago. She was initally not allowed to fly anywhere for at least a year and then not long haul for quite some time after. But she does not want to take risk, so does not now fly long haul at all.
But Doctors are the best to give advice on this sort of thing. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!
@ Joey..... if women = problems...then what on earth do men equal?
(men not allowed to answer)
You obviously have lots of experience of men, in order to qualify to answer!! WOMEN=PROBLEMS you only have to look at some of the threads on this site to confirm it.
because I get up at 5am to go to work and come back home around 6pm and then having to shower, cook dinner, go shopping etc...it just took its effect after a while :-S
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This bothers me! You get up at 5 to go to work and you dont get home until around 6. I hope you are not working more that 8hrs per day, if you are then your Company are breaking the law for young workers. A worker between the ages of 16 and 18 are not allowed to work more that 8 hrs per day and 40 hors per week. Tea breaks and lunch breaks are different also.
If we boycotted every Company that did something we don't like we would not buy anything.
Ok I don't like dog fighting and cock fighting, they are disgusting 'sports' and make me sick, but I bet you all buy Nike trainers and sports wear, stuff from Walmart, stuff from Logitec, Reebok, Disney etc etc well these let illegal practices go on in their factories in China and other parts of Asia, fining workers, below minimum wage, unfair dismisals, locked in dormitories at night, forced and bonded labour. I am not saying they are guilty of all of these, but many Companies are, even Apple. These Companies I have mentioned have all been caught out and the CEO of Walmart was publically exposed on TV over child labour.
Child Labour in India working in smelting factories with absolutely no persoanal protection, lucky if they are wearing any shoes, or making rugs chained to their benches. You buy stuff from Companies that have their factories in the Maquiladoras in Mexico - forced abortions and I could go on all night............. need I say more
Actually it is not stricty true Robyn, see the news today. I don't care what religion or race people are, but this is a very worrying extremist action and these people are supposed to be our fellow countrymen.
It is a very small faction of extreme Muslims, so why do the rest of the Muslim society in the UK get so offended? Surely they should be pleased that these extremists are being weedled out of society, I know the one's (Muslims) close to me are.
And so I did.. Of course it's all a matter of making profit (in this case, the lack of it), people preferring THY or low cost airlines, only peak moments were July-August, blablabla..
Oh well I'll fly THY then, I always loved them and they have that interesting Skylife Magazine
Funny that, I have just looked at flights to Istanbul in August and it is cheaper to fly THY and not Easyjet. Trouble with Easyjet the prices get cheaper closer to the date, whcih don't make it easy if you want to book ahead and tak a chance.
Source of the Bird Flu in the UK has been determined. It has been contracted through imported poultry from Hungary, where the disease is prevalent!! So why the hell transport birds, across Europe, from a high risk country to one where there no bird flu
I am getting married in May in Gumbet to my turkish fiancee. I am wondering wot the blood/medical tests are for? And does anyone know the cost of all in all wedding in Gumbet? including papers/ tests/registra etc
Many thanx i dont know if this is the rite place to write the message
You deserve an answer and I apolgise if I started the melee.......... I hope you found what you was looking for in the two threads that Aenigma posted
mmmm a whole thread ruined by people moaning about people's english language skills..this is TURKISH language class and noone is being assessed by examiners in here in regards to their command of english language.
i understand that slang can be annoying for some members and that some members might not understand but to turn every post into a dispute about slang..come on im sure we've all got better things to do.
You can blame me for starting it, if you already haven't, but in this instance I was pointing out the use of the wrong word, "rite" as opposed to "right" or is "rite" used as slang? As I dont have a degree in slang I wouldn't know
sorry i was just asking a message i spelt one word wrong, dont sue please
Just the one word, then my maths needs brushing up on and no I won't sue ...... not my style - just straight to the point no beating around the bush, and yesterday I chewed one to many wasps,.............
Please lets move on and stop this nonsense... i dont even think that the person get the answer to her question in her first post 'difficulties for a foreign wife in Istanbul'...
Very true - does any thread started ever get the answers they are looking for? In my experience no!!
libralady, I am just asking this question to you for knowing a rule in English. I mean I am not accusing you for anything.
In your post, you wrote the first letter of the name of a bird with capital letter (Turkey). Are the country Turkey and the bird turkey are written same in English or my writing for the bird (turkey) is correct?
I can answer that for you metehan - it was a (rare!) grammatical error from Libralady The bird turkey should never have a capital letter - you are correct
The bird "turkey" is spelt the same way as the country "Turkey" in English. Sorry, the capital letter was my mistake perhaps because I type too fast (and to cause confusion). Turkey is an Aemrican bird that was brought to England, so I don't know why it should be spelt the same as the country. Maybe someone can answer that.
Sorry to repeat myself, but the written use of my language by my compatriots! And before anyone has a bash about dislexia, it is just as hard to spell "wot" as "what", "rite" as "right", "thanx" as thanks", "u r" as "you are", "cos" as "because", it is just lazyiness or is cool to write that way??
its just habit 2 write in that way on the internet..not cool..laziness maybe
Have to agree with robin on that one. If you saw my proper writing, the way I write (sometimes) to my mates this sentence would look like this:
hav 2 agre wit robin on d@ 1. if u saw my propr writin, da way i rite (sumtyms) 2 my m8s dis sntnce wud lk lyk dis.
Anway, it's a bit like asking why do people talk the old English as in representing themseleves as "one" when others use the modern English such as "I". It's also saying if people don't talk proper English it's annoying....in that case, you should talk to some of the people I used to live near...init
Either way I don't mind how people talk, I agree it does get annoyig if you are trying to learn a language but alot of the time it's not us "youngsters" who use slang and not just in English either.
For example: hsg - Hoşgeldin(iz), kib - Kendine iyi bak, slm - selam, tsk - teşekkürler and so on
But this site is not just for lazy arsed English people who can't be bothered to write properly; people from all over the world visit here. So If I can't understand (no! don't want to understand!) then how are other supposed to? That is it, I have chewed enough wasps for one day!
Just so that our Turkish and other non-English members are not confused - "rite" is a religous ceremony, as in "the last rites" performed when someone is about to die, but in this case is really means "right"
Just so that no one is confused.
Shall you or I perform the last rites for the English Language?
I think there are plenty of others doing that without our help!
Just so that our Turkish and other non-English members are not confused - "rite" is a religous ceremony, as in "the last rites" performed when someone is about to die, but in this case is really means "right"
Sorry to repeat myself, but the written use of my language by my compatriots! And before anyone has a bash about dislexia, it is just as hard to spell "wot" as "what", "rite" as "right", "thanx" as thanks", "u r" as "you are", "cos" as "because", it is just lazyiness or is cool to write that way??
Basically it is a transsexual, came to England to have it done as at the time it was not accepted in Turkey. He was a singer actor at the time and then became a bit reclusive, became depressed and tried to commit suicide If I remember rightly.
Then he went back (oh sorry) she went back to Turkey when the laws changed and carried on as a performer, but unfortunately a sex changes does nothing to improve the voice! She still has a mans voice. So there you have it in a nutshell, no doubt someone will point out if I have gone wrong!
Dilara~ Did you like any of the female artists I mentioned earlier in this thread?:
~Aynur Haşhaş
~Gülay
~Ebru Gündeş
~Safiye Soyman
~Candan Erçetin
But a Transexual is never going to sound like a woman so how can you compare?
It's not suprising that they think that and there is no need to lie.
Because after most of the prostitution operations (fuhuş operasyonu), the passage is like this:
"In the police bust to the x place, ukranian, moldovian and russion origined 20 women have been arrested and sent to hospital for disease check up.."
It's not coincidence, it's a sad fact that a lot of women of the old soviet union countries came to Turkey expecting to earn some money to send to their families or just a better life, but ofcourse because of the language problem, and because most of them don't have a longterm visa, the jobs they can do are limited to cleaning, babysittig and in the end prostitution. While some of them start it half willingly, some of them are forced to do it.
And the result is unfortunately the prejudices which are very difficult to erase.
Turkey is not the only place, England too and in my town they have a growing industry......... sorry but it is true
Yep! Spanish is one of the fastest growing languages in the world and I learnt it at school then refreshed again a few years ago. Can translate but unfortunaltey cant speak a lot.
I saw that clip while I was trying to see if I actually liked her voice or not! I thought someone was wearing squeaky leather pants! It came across a little too unreal for me........
My poor hubby is ill and my brother keeps on openong the windows, because he doesn't like the smoke, we are sitting here freezing and closing them as quickly! :-S
Hmmm I wonder which is best if you are ill..fresh air? Or smokey room?!?!?!
As this is on my local news, I will keep you all informed of developments.
They are saying that the farm can be back in full swing in a few days as it only take a few weeks to rear a Turkey for slaughter.
Personally I would not like to see the farms closed down, despite the ugliness of rearing animals in this way, as there is the lives of some 4000 workers and their families, not to mention the satellite businesses and their families, to think about,and where in Norfolk / Suffolk can accomodate that many people.
Bird flu has been identified on ONE farm, which belongs to Bernard Matthews, the biggest local employer, who produces obviously Turkeys but also Turkey related products. 160,000 birds have been slaughtered and incinerated. And as far as I am aware no one is panicking just yet. Exclusion zones have been set up around the site. One slightly worrying thing is how the virus got there in the first place, when all these birds are contained within huge building and never see the light of day.
I tend to read real life stories or biographies, here are some recent and not so recent ones I have read that I would recommend:
Wild Swans by Jung Chang, she has written this book about the life of her grandmother, her mother and herself and their lives in China pre and post Communism, charting the history or China and the opression of Mao. It took me a long time to read but was well worth it.
The Mystery of Olga Checkova by Antony Beevor - an interesting story of a very intriguing woman, full of mystery.
Forget you had a Daughter by Sandra Gregory. A true story about an English woman, and many of you might remember her, who got caught trafficking drugs in Thailand. But read the book and you find that not is all at is seems. This woman ended up really as a scape goat.
Call Me Elizabeth by Dawn Annandale. A true story about a woman who became a high class prostitute in order to get enough money to care for her children in the way she wanted and to send them to private school. Although the authenticity of the contents of the book has been questioned, after she has been involved in a false rape claim.
finally,
The Long Way Round by Charley Boorman and Ewan McGregor. A travel diary of their epic journey by motonike around the world. I loved this book as you see two very ordinary men and their feelings. It is written individually. I also have the DVD.
My current book is Istanbul Memories of a City by Orham Pamuk. I am finding it hard going, not my usual book in a couple of days or so. But it is a book you can put down and pick again so long as you stop at the end of a chapter!
Yes you are right, but until the USA, one of the biggest polluters in the world actually recognise global warming and ratify the agreement many of us are what we would say "pissing in the wind".
Also we have to think about what we purchase and where it comes from. CHINA!!! We subscribe to their pollution because just about anything material you buy comes from China and has to be transported half way round the world to get here (or where ever you live).
I go to an electronics fair in Hong Kong every year and there is nearly every country in the world represented there, so good are being shipped worldwide.
As a regular visitor to China to check factory conditions environmental impacts is also part of the remit. And you should see some of the factories polluting, poisonous fumes billowing into the atmosphere, rivers are black with fuel, rubbish, dead animals and even humans (and I have ssne one being pulled out of a river). Swarf from milling machines and hydraulic oil poored into the drains.
It was good to hear about France etc, but there was just a small mention about what France was doing, not that is should happen here as well, and by that time the moment had passed. Perhaps all the UK TC memeber should write to Tony Blair and ask why it was not publisised in the UK. Oh but then he has other issues...........
i know this will sound really dumb..but it suddenly occurred to me last night about eggs. i knew that chickens laid eggs and they hatched obviously, but i always wondered how we had eggs that we could eat and what the difference was..so i asked okkes if different eggs were laid for food and babies..he explained(whilst laughing) that the eggs we eat are eggs that were not warmed by the mother and so are in fact are undeveloped chicks..does the thought of that disgust anyone other than me?
AStham is caused when desensitisation occurs and that can be anything that irritates the airways. Work related asthma, can be caused by desensitation to solder fumes for instance. Once desensitation occurs you can only relieve the symptoms by removing the cause.
Other cause of desensitation is household dust, bedmites, animal hairs, dust particles in the atmosphere and pollution can make the symptons worse.
Lots of research into the cause of asthma going on.
I think nuclear plants are actually very safe (the waste is DEFINITELY another matter ). Chernobil was due to human error and poor management as far as I am aware. Keith will know
thats why i was saying too risky, humanbeings tend to make mistakes, so it needs perfect unit of control... you know nothing is too simple
And a cover up! Poor maintenance caused the first pipe to burst and lack of expertise and ignorance for the rest. Ignorance in as much as they kept it quite when they should have evacuated the town.
We could move on from this a little, does anyone know what there carbon foot print is? Now that is altogether more difficult and how would you offset your carbon usage.
Your carbon footprint is made up of travel, by car, plane etc, energy use, size of property I think, what you purchase and how far that has travelled across the world.
Industry pay a carbon levy according to how much energy you use and there is carbon trading as well, which mean you some how buy unused carbon points from developing countries for instance Africa to offset your own carbon usage in this country.
What really bugs me (and perhaps this is the wrong thread) is the number of people that complain about wind turbines. The most easily captured source of green energy we have. There is a small town near me that has two wind Turbines, enough to power nearly the whole town. I know of industrial estates, one in Lowestoft for the English folk, that powers the estate. We have further wind turbines of the north norfolk coast and then there are others around the country. What is so difficult with wind turbines.
It is all a matter of education and that is down to governments, and our government is bad at that. To little to late.
This is how much of the electricy is produced by burning fossil fuels which emit CO2 gases.
We noticed that many houses being built in Turkey had solar panels installed but we were told that this would only be to heat the water.
So how is electrity produced in Turkey? Nuclear or fossil fuel power stations?
Then there is the methane gases produced by grazing cattle (yes apparently they fart alot), and from landfil sites, and this is controlled and burnt off otherwise there would be explosions if the site became unstable.
I am yet to research Turkey's environmental policies but I suspect they want to preserve such a wonderfully beautiful country.
Great!! Come on everyone, join in. I am always switching lights off!! and my heating is set at 18deg C, if I get cold I put on a jumper.
As someone who is heavily involved in Environmental issues and legislation at work, over the years I have done much within my Company to reduce our environmental impact.
My biggest problem is PACKAGING - please buy vegetables loose with dirt on and not in packaging! Just as a start. How did we survice without it only a few years ago.
If you think products are being over packaged - complain. There is actually a law against it, although it is widely abused because it is unenforcable, within the EU.
Does kžz çocuk mean "daughter"? This is Travlangs word of the day. I looked it up on the Turkish dictionary and the translation is different. It is kiz.
Can someone clear up my confusion please? Is the ž really an i ?
Perhaps someone forgot their pants or even worse, had a hole in them or maybe got arrested and had to go to the police station and underwent a strip search, only to reveal no pants or holes in pants, or even worse had sock suspenders......... sorry I am getting carried way now with 13th January
Getting your head round the sentance structure and the adding on of suffixes I find the most confusing. Time is a factor for me too! I dont have enough. And another problem I have is I tend to compare French and Spanish with Turkish although not so much now.
And in the UK, the selection of books, dictionaries etc is non-existant! The Red Book dictionary is so small I can't see the words properly - even with glasses.
But I will also persevere and hopefully be able to hold a conversation when I go to Turkey in June.
The man isn't an ordinary man like us. He isn't thinking of what he will eat for lunch or dinner, or which club to go at night,or fooling online on TC.
The guy's mind is very busy with how he could help those in need in the world. He might not have noticed the holes on his socks while putting them on in the morning.
We have a saying in Turkish: Başına çorap örmek / to get someone into trouble.
Adam dünyanın başına çorap örmekle meşgul. Kendi çoraplarındaki delikleri görmeye vakti mi var sanki.
But he is an ordinary guy, doing an extraordinary job. We are all ordinary people but it depends on what you do with your life which makes you different.
Oh yes! he had his own business show called The Apprentice (like donald trump) in the UK. He hired a certain amount of people for a "test run" to see who was the best employer and just said "your fired" every time he got rid of one of them.
Sorry but since when does Richard Branson say "Your Fired" in the Apprentice? Forgive me if my eyes are failing but that is Sir Alan Sugar!
It is not only those learning another language that get it wrong - but many an English person can get their words wrong. There was even a play written and the main character being called Mrs Malaprop after the word "malapropism" the comical misuse of words.
How come you are not at school Kai? Are you playing truant and who the hell wants to get up at 05:00 to go to work
School? LL I've finished school I'm studying to be a Dr in the future ...and 5am? yeah maybe I am crazy but nothing like an early start to the day No one WANTS to get up at that time, but hey life is not all about what you want
How will you study to be doctor if you have left school at 16? My nephew is studying to be a doctor at Nottingham and he is nearly 24 and still has about another 4 or so years left. And that is after GCSE' and 'A' Levels, degree and masters.......... so it will be a long haul - all I can say is good luck
I am always amazed at the amount of personal information people are willing to disclose on this website! Lately we have had medical problems, financial details, very personal relationship matters and...the most unbelievable...the full details of a company where someone had applied for a job (before they even knew if they had got it or not ).
I find it really strange and amazing! I am not saying it is right or wrong to give out so much personal detail, but as far as I am concerned I wouldn't even tell friends details of a job interview unless I knew I had the job "in the bag". You never know who is reading...
Woman after my own heart!! It bugs me too that so much personal relationship information is posted here. Especially in the translation section, you can follow the ups and downs of a relationship. And then there is the "posting this on behalf of my friend" information. i think the moral of this post is "think before you post", this is a PUBLIC FORUM and anyone can be looking at it, imigration officials, tax official, who knows........ and have a thought for "your friend" whose private information you are sharing with strangers .......
Are you using the correct method to inform Admin of anything you don't like? Use the contact form on the TC Website link.
In the end it is up to Admin if they delete a thread or not. I don't think you always get a message, to say that action has been taken, so it is not just you!!
There was a message on the home page for about three weeks before hand, saying that pictures were going to be removed if you did not remove them yourself.
I personally think that Muslims have not had such a bad deal out of films and media etc, as the Germans or the Japanese have over the years. Such unrivalled hatred was generated for those two countries from the Second World War without considering the innocents. But as intellegent humans, that I hope most of us are, we should not allow ourselves to be brainwashed by the media and films.
I also think that in the UK we are very lucky that our media does in general give a wide range of views to the public to digest and make their own decision. With the wide range of newspapers we have from gutter press to the broadsheets it is easy in my opinion to make an informed decision.
I know you're not saying they know HOW to speak English because they're from the UK versus English from the US.
'Cause if that's the case...I BEG YOUR PARDON!
We don't want to start that debate do we?
I meant they are English actors, in an English film (I belive Robyn was referring to Bridget Jones Diary) with and American Actress trying speak with an English accent. I am not saying in the gramtical sense but in the accent sense.
Don't look for reasons! That is my problem, I need a reason to explain why. But it is not just in languages (for me). It is a habit hard to break, but the explanations given above for not looking for a reason actually give me the reason. Hopefully you will understand what I mean.
Hoody and diesel jeans - (if we are going to mention labels) and a black leather belt!! But my jeans are fake, bought in Turkey last year for a few quid.
Despite my name being pretty unique - there are a scary number of references to me on the web They cover a variety of subjects but half of the references on the first serch page are on the UK Parliament site!!!
No it was meant as an "oooooooooH" to the underwear description - saucy!
Underwear? I didn't mention my underwear. Unless you think a top and panties are,...
Today: brown top, beige linen blouse, brown colbert, brown checked skirt (again above the knee), brown panties and pumps. Fitting watch, earrings and necklace.
So when you say "panties" you mean trousers!! Oh, we call sexy underwear "panties"
thts nice idea dude...i really like it...but would u be my referance? and what would you write der?
Dear Sir,
This man is perfect for the job as he has considerable experience, with duvets and pillows. He is quite happy to spend 8hrs a day testing and all night if required. will he get food and drink delivered?
I thought this thread was about a bloody film, and how it over dramatised a situation, not to start another "you are all critising Turkey" which of course no one is. So can we all move on please before this thread gets locked.
WOW, I have 11 hits on google! Actually I am very amazed, there are newpaper articles I have been involved with, 2 environmental case study's that I am mentioned in, a online charity donation and various genealogy sites. It is quite scary really.........
Who did the survey go to, ordinary people or governments? I think ordinary people would understand, but I can see that governments would not understand, purely because they don't live in the "real world".
I must say though, it seems rather a ridiculous survey and it does appear at first glance to be some sort of joke :-S
Stands to reason it was dramatised and at the time it upset the Turks quite a lot. But all in all, putting that aside it is one of the most brilliant films of all time! The young actor who played the lead, died of aids several years ago.
And also the prison is now an excusive hotel, The Four Seasons I believe.
If anyone did this to me they would get a short sharp answer and I would never dream of doing it to anyone else. Ex's are ex's are far as I am concerned. No-one elses business.
Thanks so much for that link Roswitha, I want to buy some turkish rugs but I am not sure what to buy. I am not keen to go to any shop because they try it on - price wise! I was considering buying on line, but again you don't know what you are getting.
I wonder what prompted the Turkish government to count every marriage between Turkish citizens and foreigners..
either way its an interesting article .although I was surprised I thought the number of marriages betweens turkish people and foreigners would have been higher...
It is called "keeping statistics" and most countries do it! We have a whole government department.
Trudy, Joey is being all coy about what there is under a kilt. I can assure you (from visual experience!) that the rumours are true! It is only a cowardly Scot who wears underwear and even less would ever own up to it! Am I right Joey???????
We had a strange phenomenon at work yesterday. I work in a beautiful place with only trees dividing the office from the sea. Yesterday afternoon I happened to look out the window and saw enormous chunks of "snow" in the trees. On closer inspection I noticed it was foam!!!
I started to wonder where on earth it had come from - the whole of the area was covered in enormous lumps of white foam - some as big as 20ft square, floating in the air and sticking to trees and laying on the grass. Then someone explained - because of the high winds the sea has become so rough it was producing FOAM heheheheh! Amazing!
Perhaps you too have been at the bottle (hehe) Living on the North Norfolk coast, we have foamy seas too! It is to do with all the fairy liquid (I am sure ) that is going through the sewerage system and pumped into the sea.
Why are people so up in arms about Spam? Isn't it just the same as watching annoying commercials on T.V. or getting unwanted advertisments in the mail? I mean if you don't like the content just push delete. I personally find spam funny. And if I do not reply after a few attempts they just go away. And actually I got one spam message that was so funny I had to reply and have since been exchanging great jokes with the person. Turns out we have the same nerdy sense of humor! Go figure!
Needless to say, it isn't the pictures that attract them. Spammers send messages to EVERYBODY. Otherwise it isn't spam!
I think you will find that "people" over exagerates the number who are bothered about spam, can count them on one hand, even maybe one finger
Since the people mentioned above have no problem with mentioning the PM spammers' names in public, I think they won't mind seeing names of public forums spammers?
Huh? how does that work exactly? The people who said about putting spammers up were to throw them a hint to stop using this site for the one reason of hoping to find "love" or as a dating agency!
Also after several cases to posting more than one spam to the same person as well as sending it to others do they not deserve to be showed in public?
As for the people who suggested it, they haven't done anything wrong. They just want to be a member of this site without being poked at to "be my gf/bf" etc because unlike spammers they have reasons to be a memeber of this site....like trying to learn Turkish for a start.
But it is a bit like saying "hey look at me I am popular because I get loads of spam" I think it encourages more spam. Who really cares who gets what spam, do as I do and deal with it, no fuss. If someone spams you more than once, maybe they have forgetten who they have spammed - hint for spammers, make a list of who you have spammed!
My dream job is to be an overseas doctor because I love to help people and travelling whilst doing so just adds the icing to the cake Anyway I know that won't happen so without further thinking I dreamed of becoming a fire fighter (helping people again) but then asthma got in the way so I decided to work as a police officer (also helping people) and I am already working towards it but lately I have been dying to become a paramedic (also to help people)
Which reminds me....if anyone has any information about becoming a paramedic (in the UK) such as degrees/qualifications you need etc and whether you can transfer those skills into another country and be a paramedic there too.
Thak you very much to those who can help, I appreciate it very much!
So no-one has actually read what makes it sexy then? I found an article about it ages ago, and yes there are battery powered objects and themed rooms etc. They encourage wife swapping and have key parties too. I will have to try and find the article and post it, it is nothing to do withthe look of the hotel but what will be or is gonig on inside!
I think it is the battery powers objects that you will find in the bedside draws that make it sexy and the themed rooms.............. :-S whips and all
Created havoc in my garden last night. Electricity went off about 7:00. Oh right, get the candles, then one almighty bang. What the hell was that!! It was the electrical junction box that is on the pole in our garden, exploding, sparks, flames more explosions. Fire brigade turned up and they were there for three hours, as the pole was on fire and us and our neighbour have sheds next to the pole. Power still off this morning and I expect it will be off the rest of the day while they fit a new junction box.
So to eleviate boredom, drunk a bottle of wine and now have a hang over
why not have a seperate section for people who are wanting to date.Then there wouldnt be aproblem with the profile.just a thought.bye the way i think this site is brilliant.thanks
The forum rules clearly state this is not a dating site (thank goodness!), so I guess that answers your question.
Yes, I agree Turkish Class is brilliant and I think that is because of the unique classmates it attracts. If you turn even part of this site into a dating one it will ruin this wonderful website.
The Turkish newspaper Zaman has started a new English Newspaper: Today's Zaman. You can reach the full content for free by the internet website: http://www.todayszaman.com or the Zaman's translation ex-website: http://www.zaman.com
Thanks! I have since found a childrens magazine online too - which is even better!!
Childrens magazine
Anything to help with sentance structure and vocabulary
Here is a nice little story! Sort of revenge.......
"A man called home to his wife and said, "Honey I have been asked to go fishing up in Scotland with my boss & several of his friends. We'll be gone for a week. This is a good opportunity for me to get that promotion I've been wanting, so could you please pack enough clothes for a week and set out my rod and fishing box? We're leaving from the office & I will come by the house to pick my things up" "Oh! Please pack my new blue silk pyjamas."
The wife thinks this sounds a bit fishy but being the good wife she is, did exactly what her husband asked. The following weekend he came home a little tired but otherwise looking good. The wife welcomed him home and asked if he caught many fish?
He said, "Yes! Lots of Salmon, some Rudge, and a few others. But why didn't you pack my new blue silk pyjamas like I asked you to do?"
You'll love the answer...
The wife replied, "I did. They're in your fishing box.....
You certainly have SusieK!! We flew with Pegasus last year and blow me if the pilot landed too fast and missed the exit runway at Norwich airport, granted it is a small airport, but bloody hell you dont go so fast! Everyone were grabbing their seats ready to brace and we all clapped when he finally stopped feet from the grass and turned the plane around on a sixpense and headed back to where he should have been!
Very interesting article and congratulations to Turkish Airlines researcher. I have come across some very interesting articles in their inflight magazine and I must say with all the travelling I have done, it is one of the best, most informative and the only one I have ever taken off the plane.
From my experience in Istanbul, it would be a problem with a stroller! You would certainly get plenty of exercise pushing the thing up and down the pavements and the hills. If I was honest I would not have taken my children to Istanbul at such a young age but then Istanbullus??manange. Perhaps a native should answer this one.
Whare are all the men out there??? Give it up...tell us what you have done! I KNOW women are not the only ones coming up with evil revenge schemes (arabianofelix doesn't count since it wasn't his revenge)
Either a woman has never cheated on me or I was never clever enough to find out...
Clever enough ( or not stupid enough) not to be found out! But I do know someone who s**t on their own doorstep only to blame their husband - now that is low!
One of the posts above has reminded me about a rather nasty revenge attack, by a wife to her husband.
She found out that he had been having an affair and she super glued his penis to his leg, when he was asleep! He had to go to Addenbrookes to get it unstuck!
Wish I had seen that... the man's face I mean..
Especially first thing in the morning (you know what I mean )
One of the posts above has reminded me about a rather nasty revenge attack, by a wife to her husband.
She found out that he had been having an affair and she super glued his penis to his leg, when he was asleep! He had to go to Addenbrookes to get it unstuck!
Yes, Rose Hips or Dog Hips, dry them and open them up and the little seeds inside create the itching powder. Needs to be dry to work best.
Sounds like you have experience with this....
I lived in the country (and still do) and Rose Hips are common in our hedge rows. I learnt about this when I was very young. The country side is a great place to grow up - absolutely nothing to do but find your own entertainment
Ok here is the least worst of my revenge stories....
My sister kept wearing my clothes and all the time I said "will you stop wearing my clothes!" she would just say "oh sorry" (sarcastically)
Anyway I went on this science trip to this wildlife reserve place and we were walking past lots of trees with these kind of big red berries on. One student asked what they were and the scientist said, Oh they are a high form of itching powder thats inside them, so I wouldn't recommend opening them.
Of course with that the whole class got ideas, but mine was going to get me my clothes back
Every time my sister wore my clothes I would put itching powder in her bed so it looked like it was my clothes....and it worked like a charm!
Yes, Rose Hips or Dog Hips, dry them and open them up and the little seeds inside create the itching powder. Needs to be dry to work best.
oh really flippin heck maybe i should get rid then :-S
No you just need an Anti virus system on your computer just in case
I had two anti virus scanners on my system and it got through so do be careful. You will know if it attacks as it says right away whilst the download is taking place. The virus scanner is only OK if it up-to-date.
Woman suspected husband was having an affair and when he brought his secretary home one evening on the pretence that she was upset as her boyfriend had just left her, wife thinks Uhmm I bet it is her! So she strained the spaghetti through the knickers she had been wearing all day.
That is NASTY! but SOOOOO FUNNY!!! Tell your friend from me....nice one
It was a Steve Write in the afternoon story! Before you time
Woman suspected husband was having an affair and when he brought his secretary home one evening on the pretence that she was upset as her boyfriend had just left her, wife thinks Uhmm I bet it is her! So she strained the spaghetti through the knickers she had been wearing all day.
i think the majority of the time 'cyber love' is a bunch of poppycock.
And we are to take it that you are an authority on this subject? If that is the case why do so many people take that route these days? And why are dating sites on the increase? And I think there is a clue to this on the home page of this site - we can only have two personal pictures now because the site is increasingly becoming used as a dating site.
I wouldn't do it simply because it's too risky and as sweet as it sounds to fall in love without physical contact, you may get negatively surprised when you end up meeting.
I do, however, admire those who have formed a genuine relationship via the internet. It takes a great deal of trust and courage.
But you are in it together. So long as both parties enter into it and make an agreement that if and when they met and things are not as they expected then they can call it a day. But a word of warning, always make sure, who ever you are going to meet, someone else knows what you are doing, where you are going, and when you are expected back etc etc. My sister in law has had just this type of replationship and has been married for 18 months to the guy.
Just so long as common sense prevails I see nothing wrong.
That I'm feeling ill again... coughing, sneezing, fever etc. I was ill in October and I don't want to say to my boss tomorrow I won't come but I do feel terrible.
Trudy, join the fashion - me too! I have been off work since Thursday and wont be going in tomorrow either! As I have been in been since then, only getting up properly today, I need tomorrow off to get the housework done Did I say that?? :-S
That I'm feeling ill again... coughing, sneezing, fever etc. I was ill in October and I don't want to say to my boss tomorrow I won't come but I do feel terrible.
Trudy, join the fashion - me too! I have been off work since Thursday and wont be going in tomorrow either! As I have been in been since then, only getting up properly today, I need tomorrow off to get the housework done Did I say that?? :-S
Any by they way if anyone HAS got some sensible answers please let me have it in a PM! Stuff this thread. I have already had one very helpful message - thanks!!
I got to page 5 of this thread and I really cant be arsed to read any more. Wot a load of bollocks you are all writing and thanks for the assistance - next time I wont bother asking.
Can anyone help me with (easy level) online newpapers and magazines in Turkish please? I have decided I need some reading material other than the rather useless book I have currently!
I agree with much that has been said and if I were to move to a country to live I would absorb myself into the culture of the country and learn the language straight away. I would not want to live in the pockets of loads of Brits although it would be nice to know that they exist!!
Holidays - one thing that really puts me off is the sound of Londoners who own bars (Mojaca in Spain is one such place) the walls adorned with pictures of the Krays and the Richardsons (as if they were Gods and not murderers), boxing pictures and you might as well been in the East End. Worst holiday ever!
A fortnight is never enough to do and see all the things you want to see cos another of my pet hates on holiday is organised trips! More and more these days we organise our own holiday.
Point about the skiing - yes all I do is go up and down a mountain for a week and hopefully I come home in one piece
I think one thing emerges from this, we dont want to go abroad to be greeted by Britain!
Tell me, how many of you who have visited a country have seen the whole country??
I still think it is a "place" within that country. I have been to Italy something like 10 times, skiing and to Lake Garda. Except the peace and tranqulity of being in the mountains, Lake Garda has to be one of the most beautiful places I have seen.
I have travelled around most of France and the most beautiful part I have come across (except Mont Blanc) was Lake Annecy.
Cuba holds special memories for me, we travelled the length and breadth of it - I loved the people although Havana was scruffy but with that it had it's charm.
I dont think there is ONE most beautiful country as many countries have their own charm and splendid sights. For me, my favourite "place" (not country) is at the top of Mont Blanc where you can see the alps in every direction. Switzerland one way, France another and Italy also.
To have health and happiness - answers to both questions!
Health and a what?!? Ouh sorry, I miss-read it
Oh yeh, I forgot, to be paid $1.3m a week for 5 years. sod the happines!! I only need to be healthy to spend it.............. Oh no, one problem, I dont play football that well
well i'm sure you could learn or at least get up to beckham's standard..not that hard really just kicking a ball
Definitly do NOT bring wine as most of the participants and guests are probably Muslim and could not in clear conscience partake of it. You could bring sweets.
Oh you are right :-S How ignorant of me to advice that! And for that too.. i remember it from the film Gegen Die Wand now.. if you buy sweets, for instant chocolate, make sure they are not filled with liquor
Alcohol?? There was more Raki on the table than in the supermarket, wine flowing freely and Efes for the men (and me!)......... I just did the give money thing, putting it in the little bag that the bride carried around when greeting all the guests.
To have health and happiness - answers to both questions!
Health and a what?!? Ouh sorry, I miss-read it
Oh yeh, I forgot, to be paid $1.3m a week for 5 years. sod the happines!! I only need to be healthy to spend it.............. Oh no, one problem, I dont play football that well
I tend to agree with your friend! Money, visa, marriage, why do they always crop up?? There are just hundreds of stories exactly the same as yours. Why not keep contact via MSN and see how things go.
Ok, MrQ! Sounds very James Bond. I believe it very much depends on where you come from in Europe as to how we ladies "deal" with uhmmm, that sensitive area. Some like it tamed, some trimmed, some designed (yes designed) some nothing and some as nature intended. And I am not going to tell you which category I fit into
..i wouldn't have been allowed near a site like this at her age..i was supervised
I wish you still were....
Computers hadn't been invented when I was her age so no trouble for me there, tree climbing was more my penchance. The longest I ever sat down indoors was to practice the piano which lasted until my dad told me to shut the F* up and get outside.
I wore a brown satin evening type dress, short (knee length) and sleeveless. I asked the groom before hand and he said wear something as if you were going out for a nice meal and that is what I did. There was a range of outfits from scarved women to those showing their tattoo's off! So I think as long as you look smart adn relatively modest - not to the extreme - you will be fine.
By the way, many of the guests (Ladies) changed clothes netween the wedding itself to the reception. Some turned up in full length (sleeveless) evening dresses - all very beautiful.
You guys do realise she is only 14 right? so i dont think she is into that kind of stuff just yet
Earlier in this thread you thought it was Ok, cos you could block and delete, now you are agreeing with the rest of us.
and yes if I was her mother, then I would be putting restrictions on internet use by a 14/15 year old daughter.
I do know someone who came very unstuck with just this type of thing, the girl was 14, secretly chatting into the early hours, arranged to meet the "boy" who turned out to be a man grooming her.
I cannot stress enough the dangers of giving out email addresses willy nilly (at random in other words)
Felt sorry for the young ladies that were pregnant and pretty much going to have to go it alone.
If these girls are getting pregnant as a result of a hoilday romance There is more than one way NOT to get preganant, so feeling sorry? I dont!! I feel sorry for the child, who has the irresponsbile parent. There is a saying - leave your brain at the airport and collect on the way home.
Bridget - Anglicized form of the Irish name Brighid which means "exalted one". In Irish mythology she was the goddess of fire, poetry and wisdom, the daughter of the god Dagda. This name was also borne by two important saints: a patron saint of Ireland (also known as Brigid) who established a convent at Kildare in the 5th century, and Saint Bridget of Sweden (also known as Birgitta) who founded an order of nuns in the 14th century.
Why do people leave themselve wide open to abuse and spam mail by letting everyone see their address, regardless if you can have multiple addresses. Unless of course that is what you want. Be more wary when handing out your email address.
An email address is an email address and anyone can send an email to it - dont mean to say they will answer! There is even a warning on MSN somewhere about it - something about blocked users still being able to see you online.
Turkish guys aren't that different from other guys. If they want to be your boyfriend they make their feelings very obvious (and not just by cleaning the silver with you!!)
True! My silver has never been so clean !
'Cleaning the silver' will never sound the same again hehehehe! I blame Libralady - she has a smutty mind
If I was going to be really smutty I would say 'they are doing the washing by hand'
By the way, the cleaning the silver comment moved from one thread to another and I was not referring to anything smutty then........... aenigma?? more to do with being bored with childish threads
He thinks if he married me he wouldn't have to be apart from me any more.
But I don't think a marriage is that simple.
And as I said I suspects he only wants a visa from a marriage.
How can I make him understand I don't want to marry him yet?
Just so you dont get the wrong idea about me!! If found these sites when I was looking for a Turkish Language site and yes I agree, there is some serious Turkish basing going on. Deli_kizin you are right in my opinion.
In any situation like this, you should stay out of it. Disclosing anyone else's secrets (however morally justified you think you may be) only causes upset and argument. In addition, people DO tend to shoot the messenger
I was dragged into a situation once through no fault of my own (affairs, accusations, brother-in-laws, sister-in-laws) and I was shot with an oozi 9mm.......... I would keep out, it will only cause more problems
Mason is also a common surname in the UK - anyone heard of James Mason the famous actor? I guess it is also used as a christian name........... could be several reasons - unless of course unless he has made a huge mistake!
No!!! Where did you get that from? He is pulling your leg. The mason's are a group of "men" who belong to a type of club and you can only join by invitation. They are normally business men and professional men, solicitors, accountants, doctors. directors etc etc. It is a secreto society and they must not tell anyone else about it out side the masons.
Have you heard of masonic lodges? This is where the normally meet, similar to a hall really.
There are always jokes about the "Masons" for instance they have a secret handshake (I dont know if that is true but that is always joked about). If I remember rightly Monty Pithons did a funny sketch about it.
I am sure if you put Mason in google you would come up with the definition in Wikipedia.
Childish thread or what? This surpasses all of those that have gone before.
We are only joking around, yeesh no need be so nasty about it.....beside the person I voted for knows I am messing around and is probably proud to have this vote
Nasty? Add me to the aggressive list in that case........... I just find this sort of thread childish. I will go back to cleaning the silver
Enough with the smoker bashing...I'm sick and tired of people having a holier than thou attitude about it. If the companies would stop messing around with tobacco and just leave it alone, it would be much better. Who here in really looking at their life styles can say they don't pollute or damage something along the way? The some way people carry on about sniffing smoke, it'w a wonder there are so many people alive now.
libralady
What I don't understand is how a woman can kiss a man who smokes - YUK! And the teeth all stained, fingers all stained, clothes that stink, heart trying to beat faster, lungs trying to gasp for breath, veins struggling to pump blood to VITAL ORGANS
good point dear....with new law on tabacco ,the stickers that remind ppl about blood system to VITAL ORGANS (im sure and i know few of them)made many men to quit smoking and many women to change their choice
i dunno why i agree with u so much lately libralady
What I don't understand is how a woman can kiss a man who smokes - YUK! And the teeth all stained, fingers all stained, clothes that stink, heart trying to beat faster, lungs trying to gasp for breath, veins struggling to pump blood to vital organs (yes and that includes you know what!) blood being starved of oxygen, cholesterol building up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I'll stop there - NOW COME ON YOU FELLA'S STOP SMOKING It is not cool, hip or trendy and just think of all the money you would have............
If Ali Awalli has his way then the problems in Iraq will be solved with the help of surrounding nations including Turkey. And not with the help of the UK and USA who created this havock - lets hope he can restore some kind of normality with the help of his neighbouring nations. and lets hope that a bit of normality can be resored here too.
I am not going to quote the whole of Qdemir post but he does have a point - Femme Fatal, being a woman who seduces the male only to administer her "poison". The Mata Hari being one, although for me she was a heroine.
What I am trying to say here is that we all think our view is the right one and we should all give each other the benefit of the doubt and consider the other person may have a good point. Lots of us here come from different cultures and countries and of course for many of those, English is not their first language, therefore sometimes the true meaning is lost because of the grammar or use of words.
Being a Librian I like to see peace, harmony and balance and am often tryng to restore calm to disorder (Not normally here but in other aspects of my life).
Have a good evening - better than mine, nothing on TV (I only receive 5 channel!) so consequently I am here.......
Don Cossack - Is it a person or a regiment enlisted into the German Cavalry in WW2 - enlighten us less knowledgeable on the ins and outs of Cossacks, or were they Russians?
Not sure what is has go to do with Iraq? but then again that is normal for this site is it not.......
aslan2
[un-f**king-believable] if it is in izmit at yürüyüş yolu, I should have said.
what can i say... u r unbelivably funny
And you still haven't told us where this f**king 'Anhorage 5th avenue mall' is? Are we supposed to know it?
Are you quite well Aslan2?? Or just having a bad day? . The point Ramayan is making is that it was interesting to find Turkish brands for sale in the US. Perhaps you need a geography lesson if you don't know where Anchorage is!
Why are your posts so abusive? I am so sick of this trend for abusive posts here...
I just asked a simple question.
Are we supposed to know where 'blah blah' is?
I cannot see what's wrong with it.
And he couldn't be kind enough to answer that simple question.
your post was more than rude and the tone was quite offensive.
One of them or all of them?
Getting back to Turkish brands, unfortunatly Turkish electronics do not have a very good reputation in the UK, poor on quality, I believe Goodmans is made in Turkey, is it a Turkish brand name though? Or just manufactured under another brand............. now I could go on all day about brands but you will all find something else that is more important to do I am sure, like de-fluff your hairbrush or empty the rubbish.........
Apparently he only charges around £50,000 to entertain you on News Years Eve, as opposed to George Micheal who charged £1.5m to enterain a Russian billionaire on New Years Eve (and then lost a lot of his equipment in a fire later). It obviously pays to be a good singer.........
Expect a post asking where the 'f**k' King's Lynn is
Sorry I meant to say Broad Street, King's Lynn
Anyway, do tell me how such an innocent thread becomes so abusive and unnecessary? It is the sort of behaviour that you get an ASBO for in this country.............
ahhhh NOW that gives me an idea - Admin, introduce ASBO's to Turkish Class........ and before I get abuse as to what that 'effing' well means, Anti Social Behaviour Order
Sorry to be the bearer of doom and gloom to this thread, but to me it sounds like a "get out of jail card". There are so many stories exactly like this one on a MSN group site and various other MSN group sites to do with Turkish men and foreign women. Here is one if you want to take a look: English Girlfriends of Turkish men
I hope I am wrong and apologise if that is the case.
i couldnt read what u all write and think about this subject but here is mine
saddam is created by usa and again killed...he left hundreds of murders behind him but now in iraq...there r hundred thousands of ppl murdered...nobody can judge the murderers..just wish them to be judged one day...
that must be the way of the world...
Agree Rayaman - about the reading bit and the judging!! A monster has been created................ how will it ever be resolved? (no need to answer that - as far as I am concerned there is no answer!)
According to a report in todays newspaper(Daily Mail so it must be correct )in spite of a 4% increase in air travel there has been a 11% drop in fatalities.For planes carrying 6 or more passengers there were 156 crashes in 2006 against 178 in 2005.According to the report 75% of the accidents involved small light aircraft.
You read the Mail Joey?
Off course aenigma.I read a broad range of papers.It is the only way to get a balanced view
It was the same or similar report in the Independent this morning........ what a high brow lot we are!
well i'm all the way over here in australia...and it is daytime...when it is your nighttime.
i am at work...i should be doing work...but there is no work to do...perhaps i should be learning turkish instead
also, i know a few insomniacs (who shall remain nameless) that log on here when it's late night/early morning in the northern hemisphere
Remain nameless? oof I am offended! hehe I am an insomniac but its a good thing for me considering my man lives in the USA at the moment which is 5 hours behind the UK. so when it is 03:20am in the UK it is only 10:20am where he is and sometimes I spend the whole night talking to him. I just forget to sign out of here But I come back every other hour or so
Sorry Kai, but I think you have your times wrong - if it is 3:20am in UK then it is 10:20pm in USA (a day earlier). If it is 10:20pm UK then it is 5:20pm in USA (this is New York time).
Quite interesting with some very tricky section! Fortunately I am female but I do have some male brain tendancies - I am certainly not average on the score at around 20. I fell down on the 3D shapes as I was getting bored by now!
Sounds quite normal to me! You are still a teenager are you not?
I wish it was nornal libralady but my life is far from it! God I have been through hell and back and yes a teenager! oof why can't my life be simple, just once!
Allahim, Allah, inshallah! ya allah....sa'idni!!! lütfen!!
If I told you about my life as a teenager then you would think your life was very normal...........
listening
How often does your father beat you up??
Oooh same here! I'm all ears ...lets just see shall we?
This is a film based on a true story and the mother was blind. I remember hearing about it but not seen it. But things must have turned out OK as they played themselves in the film I believe.
Sounds quite normal to me! You are still a teenager are you not?
I wish it was nornal libralady but my life is far from it! God I have been through hell and back and yes a teenager! oof why can't my life be simple, just once!
Allahim, Allah, inshallah! ya allah....sa'idni!!! lütfen!!
If I told you about my life as a teenager then you would think your life was very normal...........
Working the maximum hours I can (overtime) to get enough money to travel to see loved one etc. Trying to give myself a heads up on studying. Above all, I am cooking, cleaning and the usual.
And to top it all off dealing with other peoples (friends) problems (I can't say no when I am the only person who can help them...I wish I could but I can't)
OOF I need some serious relaxation and I need to seriously unstress myself! I am not even living on my own, and damn do I wish I was, then I wouldn't be moaning that I have to work so hard etc.
OOF FAMILY!! I get moaned at when not having a job and when I do get one I either need to get a different one or I am still moaned at! and that is one of the very little problems!
AHHHH I CAN'T DAMN WIN!!!!
I wish I could get away from here!
Any advice? *yawns and slumps on keyboard with book in hand*
Sounds quite normal to me! You are still a teenager are you not?
i'd change personal appearance too..how shallow us females are ..as for personality traits i prefer the way i don't mix my words..much more fun..if people take offence when it is not meant..then..ummm..i'll give 50p so they can phone someone who cares..oh how good the days were when you could call someone with a 10p piece ..hang on.i'm only 22 and i'm moaning about how much prices have gone up..umm..bye
So you have changed your mind! You are back, only after one days absence............
To have 20/20 vision and not have to wear varifocals ever again!! The one part of me that I like and I have to cover them with glasses (and a new job )
I am suprised this has not been mentioned here yet! As 23,000 or so British Muslims have made the journey for the pilgrimage I wonder how many Turkish people (muslims) make the journey, and would it be difficult to make that journey considering all the visa red tape you have to endure to go anywhere.
I have seen such a picture today, aenigma x. She is neither in bikini do nor have such a user name, sexy ... etc. However that's definitely a torture for men.
Now you have me intrigued! Everyone will be going through all the pictures trying to work it out!!
I saw loads of stray cats in Istanbul, but then they can look after themselves, but sill I dont like it. It does not do much for the city or any city for that matter, when there are stray dogs and cats wandering about all over.
I know this will attract criticism but large cities are no place for dogs (in general).
There is so little green to begin with so where are these animals supposed to go and excercise?
For every 10 "good owners" who clean after their dogs, there is always the bad owner that leaves the animals crap wherever it happens to go. In winter, its bad enough walking up and down the hills in snow without having to worry about these "gifts" left behind by stupid pet owners.
And these animals bark when the owner works. So the people in the building are left to deal with barking animals while again, the stupid owner is out for the day.
(How many friends have I lost today?)
Definately not me!! I agree and in our Western Society we "dog lovers" dont appreciate the problems of other countries. I have a question - who has these dogs in the first place? why do they have them? The government has to do something about it - like a licensing system as we have, or owners get their dogs chipped so they can be identified.
I agree Keith, I would never have a dog whilst I work full time, and I DO live in the country. It is wrong to have a dog if you cannot look after it. They dont look after themselves.
I find myself agreeing with you Femme - is this a first hehe!
I cannot begin to imagine how you would marry someone and not until afterwards try to figure out how to get visas, decide where you are going to live etc. The most extreme cases are where I see girls asking for translations for their husbands. If they can't even speak the same language how on earth an a real marriage exist
You have done it again!! Mysteriously added to your original post
Can I have this translated for my husband please:
When I ask you to wash up 'this means everything'. When you say you have cleaned the walls so I can paint, 'this means you have left the cobwebs' When he says, you have been a good girl today, you deserve a treat this means ' .............. oh sorry you mean Turkish, silly me!
Surely if she had wanted everyone to know she was leaving the site she would have let us know herself. You can't hang around once place for ever - there is a big wide world outside TC.
For myself, I wish her well and thank her for the help!
Nope dont think family holidays count! So you are saying that you go to Majorca for a week you can't claim your family allowance? I think it is if the child is out of the country for more than 12 weeks.
It would cause absolute mayhem if anyone going on holiday for a couple of weeks had to stop their family allowance.
It is sad! and ridiculous. Someone owned these dogs or their descendants, so why aren't they held responsible as in the UK and other European countries. I have read about the culling of stray dogs in Istanbul before, I think in the late 50's early 60's. It obviously did not work.
We noticed strays in Oludeniz, although causing no problems, but there were visibly unkempt and not cared for.
Culling is one solution and probably the kindest but have another solution ready so as not to repeat the episode.
Bit like growing up in the fens then! Nearest house - 1 mile, nearest school 2 miles, nearest town 7 miles, and then there was the time the bridge fell into the river and we couldn't get to school, but then some dick head brought us a rowing boat!
Even better than that....nearest CHAV 25 miles
Nearest CHAV is about 2 miles!!! and guess what we have the FAMOUS one living nearby - Michael Carrol, the lotto lout
You can't claim child benefit whilst on holiday? Since when? new one on me.
This is after 3 months LL. Offfffff ya, I am supporting your kids too?
No my "kids" are 26 and 28 and support themselves!! And our holidays were only for a week at a time - thought that is what Robyn, the mine of information, was referring to - just a family holiday............ For me, once out of the country and living somewhere else, no family allowance or any other allowance for that matter!! I am with you on that one
Bit like growing up in the fens then! Nearest house - 1 mile, nearest school 2 miles, nearest town 7 miles, and then there was the time the bridge fell into the river and we couldn't get to school, but then some dick head brought us a rowing boat!
Yes, shame it has become so commercialised - collect your carrier bag, take off your shoes and carry them around, leave the bag at the door on your way out along with the donation. And it is difficult to appreciate the mosque from the outside, as you get bombarded by carpet sellers etc and those wanting to be your guide, for a small price of course.
Norfolk, East Anglia - London or Basildon are too far to bike and of course we grow lots of potatoes and driver really slowly ................ and we can boast the brilliant Great Yarmouth!! For the old folk there is always Cromer (that is where I tend to go )
We have completely changed the subject yet again ahhh TC wouldn't be the same if we didn't!
Anyway has anyone been into a London newsagents or some small little shop?
I love those shops! The owners or the people who work in them neway are always outgoing....For e.g. "how u doin love u ite?" or "Hows da life treatin ya"
London life if anywhere in the UK is "da best"
Even thy Queen Elizabeth lives there. Oh how one makes one laugh without even trying
No oi hent bin to a Lundin newsagent shop for a perpa - an the Queen also lives only 10 miles from my door step at Christmas - good ol'Queeny!! Anyone for tea?
may i ask y we hav to apologise? what exactly did we or i do wrong?
Nought bor! But how do non-Cockneys or non-Essex girls, or anyone from any other nation descipher your own personal language! I just have a "bee in my bonnet" about the use of the English Language and it's destruction.
just for the record,plenty of people understand abbreviations or internet slang such as 'neway,u(you),c(see)y(why) etc etc, just because we are from london or essex doesn't mean anything.it is not specific to essex.like aenigma noticed it is more specific to youth culture or perhaps chatrooms on the internet as well.its decipher not descipher please dont destroy english language
and here is breaking my "I hate quote upon quote" do I bloody well care! No I don't
may i ask y we hav to apologise? what exactly did we or i do wrong?
Nought bor! But how do non-Cockneys or non-Essex girls, or anyone from any other nation descipher your own personal language! I just have a "bee in my bonnet" about the use of the English Language and it's destruction.
When reading a thread and you come across - quote, after quote, after quote, after quote, after quote - what is the record?
It make a thread so hard to read - I can put up with one or two, three is my max and then boredom sets in!! Well it is the season to be merry.................
He made sure with his reduced education strategy and everyone had to read his book, (even before they took their driving test apparently) there was no one to follow him so now the country will be in a state of limbo. On the news this morning it said that Russia and Turkey were "watching the situation closely".
Narrow mindedness works boths ways - we call it "bury your head in the sand". Perhaps we are more exposed to the USA media in the UK and we see how single minded that can be. Yes media can be useful, but it can also be very damaging if it is taken on face value. There is always, yes always another side to a story, and often no one gets to hear that side - like I said "judge and jury"
By the way, I was laughing at the way you told the story!! I wish you all the best and hope all goes well. You can always have a blessing sometime with all the trimmings!
Hotel California touched on many themes, including innocence (and the loss thereof), addiction to drugs, death, the dangers, temptations, and transient nature of fame, shallow relationships, divorce and loss of love, the end results of manifest destiny, and the "American Dream". It was not a " real hotel" but an imaginary place where all these things went on (in one's life).
I mostly thought it as referring to drugs, LSD and the affects and debauchery.
Exactly what i was thinking when she said "dont worry, neither did I :-S" looks like someone had a lot of wine
Hehe - I notice she has suddenly disappeared. I have visions of her slumped over her keyboard still clutching her glass of wine ....
You were not far wrong there!! Except the glass was empty - not half full or half empty but completely empty and of course went into work today and EVERYONE is laughing about the lorry / forklift incident yesterday (reason for the wine glug glug............)
Stuff it!! Still another 8 days to go or is it 9 and the stupid lorry driver should have realised THERE WAS NO ONE AROUND, NO CARS, NO PEOPLE dooooh what a thicky
when you find you have locked a heavy goods lorry and driver in, get called back to work when you have finished for the day to let him OUT!!
First of course he has to be unloaded with no forklift driver - so I find one. Then the day gets much much worse when the forklift gets stuck, the lorry driver tries to pull it out and forklift topples over with driver jumping off!
You then have to get help to upright the fork lift, battery acid pooring everywhere and still lorry to be unloaded!
Shit what a day!
To top it off, I have to work tomorrow!! Because it is Christmas
Still no Christmas shopping, cards still to be sent, decorations to be put up, ironing to do, housework to do,shopping to do............................ hic hic
No we have billiards to but there are still pockets for the balls to drop into - just a slightly different game to snooker and not so popular! It is a sure way of falling asleep in the arm chair when the snooker champion ships are on
Snooker without pockets!! I was wondering where this was going until I looked at the video? Why are there no pockets in the table for the balls to drop into? What is the game called - dont tell me "three balls"
Some reserchers in North America have been analysing car accident insurance claims and apparently your birth sign can have a bearing on whether or not you have had an accident or been caught speeding. Librian came out worst with Aquarians next. So I thought about this and perhaps we could have our own research!!
So it goes like this starting with me:
Birth Sign: Libra
Number of years driving: 33yrs
Number of accidents: None
Number of speeding fines: 1
On the speeding thing, the art is not to get caught!
What is the point of naming and shaming spammers if they have already been deleted. I told one person who spammed me something like 7 times with different names but so ingeniously different (doh!!) why he was getting deleted and still it didn't sink in!
When you walk around Istanbul and particularly in this area, you don't tend to notice all the detail as described here. You walk along, looking where you are going, dodging the steep drops into the shops, the vans, the people and the uneven pavements. The only time I looked up was to check the street name!! Next time I go I will certainly take a better look around this area.
It is not just today, it has been slow loading for a few days now, it just took 3 minutes for me to open this thread and another 1 minute to add the message and no doubt another 2 minutes to load this message!!
I am waiting ages for pages to load and it is happening on my home computer and my work computer. I tried on my son's laptop and the same. When I say slow it sometimes take 2 or 3 minutes to load pages. I have not problem with other sites.
Christmas can be the loneliest time of the year for some people and for those of us who have lost close ones, it becomes a sort of pilgrimage to them.
I miss my brother in law as we always had so much fun with him and the children when they were young. and the silly presents we used to buy. Now they have all grown up and are doing their own thing.
For me Christmas has totaly lost its meaning - decorations and lights are going up in people houses on 1st Dec. When I was small decorations went a few days before or even on Christmas eve. It has lost it's magic or am I just getting to old and grumpy?? Answers not required
Dear sea-sun-air. If someone wanted to see real Turkish culture I would say Go to TRABZON!!!
Indeed, that city is beautiful but don't forget to explore the Karadeniz Mountains in that area as well! You will be stunned!
Trudy you are so right!! One of my holiday plans "you know the must do before I die sort" is to travel along the black sea coast and trek in the mountains. I agree with you about the waiters etc, although they are good fun and welcoming (for what ever reason or motive they have!) there is so much more to Turkey than package holiday destinations.
I think many of our regular Turkish classmates tire of translating sms messages after a while and move on to improve their English elsewhere, or just come here now to meet old friends – maybe that is what you mean?
I mean that hardly any Turkish members add to posts when questions are asked about Turkish related customs, culture, geography etc - whether they have left the site or not I dont know. I just know that when I joined this site there was a lot more activety from Turkish Members and as for spam, I find no difference. It is not something that bothers me anyway. Everyone gets an answer.
At the wedding I went to, there was no red ribbon around the waist and the gold bangles and coins were given straight after the ceremony whilst still in the registry office (or what ever it is called!) and all the guests were given a gift of the nazil as you greeted the bride and groom and met the parents and bridemaid.
All the guests then dissapeared for about 2/3 hours and eventually turned up at the huge restaurant. The bride and groom arrived about an hour after that. They then went round the tables and the bride had a little white bag and people then put money in. At no time was anyones name ever read out with the amount. It was all done very discretely.
After that we all began to eat and drink - raki, wine, beer, then the entertainment began. After a while the cake came and it stood around 6feet tall. I have never seen a cake so huge - around 6 tiers.
Next day - huge hangover!! It was the best wedding I have ever been too.
I went to a Turkish wedding in Istanbul and the tradtional gift of gold bangles had a small red ribbon as did the coins. The bride wore white with the only red being the ribbons.
I have only been to Istanbul and Olu Deniz, but I liked both equally for different reasons.
Istanbul is intriguing, mysterious and exciting. I love the atmosphere. I would recommend anyone to go there, unless you need help walking then it would be a problem. I went to the normal tourist places and only problem was being hounded by someone wanting to show you round but first you come to my carpet shop!!
Olu Deniz is beautiful. Very friendly resort because it is small. The cool bars - great!! And some fabulous restaurants. Plus you get to know everyone who are trying to sell! One guy called out to me "where are you going" I said "Swimming" - heading towards the beach but dressed to go out. On the way back, he called out again "where are you going" and I said "swimming" I left him in fits of laughter.
I will return next year to do the things I didn;t have time for........
Paragliding, white water rafting, quad biking and hopefully visting some historical sites to.
I plan in the future to take a treking holiday in the mountains...........
Please tell me, what the hell is a Turkish m/f and f/ms? And I am trying to learn Turkish? I dont even understand my "own" language sometimes.................
I have been here around 1 yr and yes it is addictive. It is a great site but lately it has changed with less about Turkey and more and more translation requests (which I dont have a problem with) but it would be nice to hear and learn more about Turkey. And I have noticed a decline in the number of native Turks adding to posts too, which is a shame.
Perhaps some replies from native Turkish TC members might be more help to this lady in finding her answer with regards to teaching in Turkish schools and qualifications needed.
As I deal with Employment Law in the UK I would really like to see the comparisions and if it is actually upheld. Second thoughts, I think I will search the internet instead.
I would like to know if there is a system in Turkey for aggrieved employees to take their employers to Tribunal for such things as Unfair Dismissal, Breach of Contract, Discrimination, Harrassment etc etc
Sorry Keith I was not referring to your individual post but the most of the thread!! I knew what I meant even if I didn't write it, but I originally thought you were talking in general - have I dug my hole deap enough??
Just like to add - I originally thought this thread was about Turkish - Turkish relationships between male and female "friends" and I think someone has already mentioned that.
But as it has discended into something else, I would just like to say that I have more male (close) friends than I do female. That could be because I was brought up in male environment (farm) and I was the only girl in my class at primary school. Work has always been in male orientated businesses to.
I have never had any sexual relationships with any of my male friends (nor any advances!) and never intend to - most of them are married and it has never been a problem to go out and have a beer with them and "chew the fat" - for either their wives or my husband.
Reason I prefer men? The dont talk about the latest soap of TV. or that they have just put their Christmas Decorations or where the cheapest loaf of bread is, whether or not they got their washing done and that the kids are playing up again, what is in the glossy mags etc etc and that all bores me senseless...........
Keith, this is the most useful piece of information I have seen on here for ages! Thanks. I would normally take Lira. But Makes sense using dollars whilst the exchange rate is in our favour (nearly $2 to £1)
I have just got the book after waiting about 2 months for it. And now I have ??? Well it reminds me of the type font used when typewriters were first invented!
Where do you get decent books to help learn Turkish? any ideas?
When someone asks a question on here about a particular topic or place, and whne I have done the same, I ask because I want "personal" experiences. It is very easy to get the information off the internet only to find it is one sided and bias.
Some one give the girl an answer and stop bitching
I can say that the best way to deal with this type of thing is head on. I hated it when people pussy foot around or avoided me. And since I experienced losing someone close, I find it much easier to deal with other people and I have supported friends in similar situations. Like I said, a few words of support go a long way.
It is a lovely poem, but not meaning to interfer are you sure that it is a good idea to send this when he is going to be grieving. I know what it is like to lose someone close in a traffic accident and it is so so difficult to say the least. Just a few words of support at a difficult time go a long way - I am not sure about a full blown poem ??
Thanks Trudy for you kindness. I will be OK in a day or two, but my colleague and good friend handed in his notice today. I will really miss him as we work as a team - no-one will replace him.
I am at a similar stage and finding the construction of sentances difficult. It is OK when you learn a phrase and can repeat that!!
My biggest problem is time factor - I dont have enough time to spend on learning and when you are teaching yourself often motivation (and one too many glasses of wine!) get in the way. Not being able to hear the language is a problem to - so I bought some headphones (still to be used for listening to Turkish )
The use of slang in some translations also throws me - I am then even more confused :-S
I remember a thread on here to do with ways of learning - if anyone can remember it post it here please
aiyooo u guys still talkng about same shit? .whn i read all those full of shit... anywy.. hope u guys enjoy with turkish man over there.. 1 night stand how many turkish man F.... girls in resort or how...wich position
hey our kind guy...i dont like this subject but ur way of saying ''hi'' is the worst thing i have ever seen in this site....i think you should moderate urself...or the moderators should moderate you...there is smthing wrong here
Ramayan, I think the whole of TC will be behind you on this one!
aiyooo u guys still talkng about same shit? .whn i read all those full of shit... anywy.. hope u guys enjoy with turkish man over there.. 1 night stand how many turkish man F.... girls in resort or how...wich position
hey our kind guy...i dont like this subject but ur way of saying ''hi'' is the worst thing i have ever seen in this site....i think you should moderate urself...or the moderators should moderate you...there is smthing wrong here
Ramayan, I think the whole fo TC will be behind you on this one!
My very good friend and colleague has decided to leave we have worked together as a Senior management team for 4 years and I will miss him a great deal. No-one will replace him, his wit, his easy going nature and his support in bad times so I am very sad and dont want to work or talk to anyone - I have retreated to my burrow (might be out later)
I have just checked and I found a few Francs some Deutchmarks and 4 TLR - you are welcome to put these in the Cyrano Computer Fund - ooooooh just found a £1 note too
Jackie, thanks for adding this post to my original thread. It is just want I was looking for - some real experiences! You sounded as though you had a wonderful time.
I had never heard of Atatürk until I joined this site! :-S And I have since learnt a great deal both about Turkey and Atatürk. I can't remember learning about Turkey at school only in geography, except I had this notion about Constantinople (loved the word) being a fascinating place and I found out later in life, why I had this fascination - my grandmother was half Turkish!
Yes he acheived a great deal for Turkey and it's people - and think that his model could be well used in other parts of the world too!
Canli, please dont get upset - this was supposed to be a bit of a fun thread and us British have a sense of humour that is unlike most others. We see the funny side of things when other see a dark side!
These ladies, one was of pension age having her nails done and the other was the manicurist, and they are not known for their brains!! Otherwise she would not be doing nails for a living
AAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH my poor eyes! Spare a thought for those of us who cant see so well these days and are to old to know all the tricks - the moving stuff, the colours boo hoo
Last week whilst wrapped in bandages in the beauty salon, unable to move an inch, I overheard a conversation from the next room. I was drifting in and out a light sleep when I heard "Istanbul". I was awake!! I was paralised!
Anyway, these two women were talking and one was saying to the other " I really dont know anything about Istanbul, I guess you can buy leather. I know there is a bazaar but I dont know what they sell. (to the other woman) Do you know anything about Istanbul?" She replied " All I know is they sell women and camels"
Well I was bursting - it took me all my time not to shou t out "hey you ignorant woman"
Tick boxes in the PM section, so that you can select the ones you want to have deleted and delete them in one go, instead of having to do them one by one..
Strongly I support this idea!
Also an (optional) e-mail notification when receive a PM would be smart.
How about an email notification when you get an offer of a new computer
having learnt through experience, as you travel the colourful journey of life you will find that not all failures or successes are down to your own behaviour. Therefore life is not that simple and not always as you want it to be.
This book looks very nice in blue colors of ceramik tiles.
I recently bought this book and I am not that impressed with it's layout inside, with the grammar being all over the place too! Very limited dialogue on the CD. But I will persevere - I am waiting for my 201 verbs to come.
Been having a look at this and it is a medical that is carried out in a Turkish hospital with the potential spouses, be they Turkish / Turkish or any other nationality.
Yep, pity we dont have the same sort of thing here, then perhaps they would have found my brain and warned me before I got married
Short and sweet - whoever is in power has a bloody hell of lot of sorting out to do and I will join you over a wiskey too!! In my life and the part of it that can remember or rather was remotely interested in American Presidents, I just remember there has always been plenty of scandal
the blood test is to check that u dont have diseases..then i guess its up to the partner if they marry u or not after that..but i dont actually know about that as im not sure if they are allowed to marry u if u have certain diseases.....quite a good idea though if u ask me...considering the prevalence of std's nowadays
Is it not more to do with hereditary genetic disorders than STD's or blood groups?
but i cant say that this is funny... this is just a shame... this is disrespecfullness... nothing more
I agree whole heartedly. I went to an all girls High School and if we ever acted in such a way, but then we would have not dared, we would have all been caned - and yes we have expected it.
I am very suprised that this is a Turkish class and I guess it is a set up.
MrX I understand what you mean about listening to a thread, I have been doing just that today on this one and it appears to have become a case of light blue touch paper and stand well back
For what it is worth, I never agreed with troups invading Iraq the second time round as it was on very flimsy excuses which have been unfounded. That is not to say I agreed with his regime either. But I am sure they could have done the job first time round when Iraq invaded Kuwait if they had really wanted to get Saddam.
What of the people America has killed in Iraq (about 650.000 as of November). I wonder who has killed more people, Saddam (in 35 years) or America (in 2,5 years)?
what a nice question is this?
my friend, they were bringing "democracy" to there you know...
I think "trying" to bring democracy. Democracy can only come from within the country and by the people of that country. Democracy cannot be forced by outside nations.
It is difficult to add any more to this thread except agree with much of what has already been said. But I do feel that the Death Penality does not solve the problems and the killing will go on in Iraq whether Saddam is hanged or not and in some cases may even increase. I feel that there is divine satisfaction in him being hanged coming out of some of these posts and also in news reports and I dont think we should feel like that. He is not the first or the last to be the perpertrator of genocide but I agree should be punished accordingly and if the dealth penalty is the desired method in Iraq, then so be it. Time will tell if this proves to be effective.
Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then travelling home, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV.
And the most British thing of all?
Suspicion of all things foreign!
Only in Britain can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance.
Only in Britain do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the back of the shop to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front.
Only in Britain do people order double cheeseburgers,large fries and a DIET coke.
Only in Britain do banks leave both doors open and chain the pens to the counters.
Only in Britain do we leave cars worth thousands of pounds on the drive and lock our junk and cheap lawn mower in the garage.
Only in Britain do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in the first place.
Only in Britain are there disabled parking places in front of a skating rink.
NOT TO MENTION..
3 Brits die each year testing if a 9v battery works on their tongue.
142 Brits were injured in 1999 by not removing all pins from new shirts.
58 Brits are injured each year by using sharp knives instead of screwdrivers.
31 Brits have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in.
19 Brits have died in the last 3 years believing that Christmas decorations were chocolate.
British Hospitals reported 4 broken arms last year after Xmas cracker-pulling accidents.
18 Brits had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth.
A massive 543 Brits were admitted to A&E in the last two years after trying to open bottles of beer with their teeth.
5 Brits were injured last year in accidents involving out-of-control Scalextric cars.
and finally...
In 2000 eight Brits were admitted to hospital with fractured skulls incurred whilst throwing up into the toilet.
Hey, after reading all you spirited replies, I have printed off the application form - the only thing that puts me off is " who will I have to share my room with "
The first one you mention is going to be faster. But now a lot of DDR is 800mhz. If you didn't know, mHz is the speed of the processor, how fast it can deal with information. 533mHz is quick. Is this any use? I can find out more if you like.
Because we dont really mean it! I remember one of my sons taking the top of a bottle of baby power and throwing it all around the room and I only turned my back for a couple of minutes. He looked so innocent I just laughed!
Because life needs to be lived and I like a challenge, I am considering cycling from London to Paris next July in aid of charity. It will take 4 days to cycle the 300 or so miles and then you finish in time to see the end of the Tour De France.
I have got to decide and then pay my registration fee of £99. I then have to get sponsorship of £1000.
Just to put you in the picture, as well as running I like cycling and on a nice sunny day will cycle anywhere between 30 and 50 miles, depending on how much is down hill
Just wondered what you all thought - is she crazy or what? Your opinions could help me decide
I came across this on the World Bank's website whilst researching and I thought for those of you interested in economics and social affairs there are some very interesting articles.
It would be interesting to know if the Turkish members are aware of some of the projects that the World Bank are investing in.
I was thinking about the tourist industry as well - what about tour guides? They must be needed for English speakers with all the cruise liners that come to Istanbul etc.
MY Turkish family taught me to grate the tomatoes, sounds wierd eh? If you just slice them in half skins intact then grate the sauce is lovely! They add garlick which is chopped very finely and pour oil on top! Delicious!!!!
You can also add some chilli flakes and salt if you like.
Or even add a bit of chopped basil, but then that makes it more Italian - but who minds if it tastes good
As it is coming up to that time of year when I don my ski wear and head for the slopes, I am considering Turkey for skiing next year.
Can anyone tell me what the slopes are like (and dont tell me they are sloped and snowy!! ) for example how hard they are? What the lift systems are like? and where the best places to go are.
What is the best time to go. For instance, Europe in January is often around -20deg C at night and the slopes get very hard and icy. I like a soft landing so we usually opt for February when you often get slightly warmer weather and more snow!
I would describe Pooh as a good-enough role model, but NOT an ideal role-model for children... it rather hinders them and prevents them from choosing other BETTER role models, more vital to us.
Well, unfortunately, you cannot CHOOSE role models for children. You may WANT them to have good role models, but the fact is you can do all you want and then they'll chose some air-head like Paris Hilton ( ) as their role model
My reasons for not liking the film are far more simplistic than those of catwoman - it is a load of old rubbish and completely unbelievable. I dont even know why I watched first time round.
When you have a public holiday in Turkey, for instance Cumhuriyet Bayrami which has fallen on a Saturday / Sunday, do you then take the following day off work? And what sort of celebrations do you have for that particular holiday?
This is how the majority of Turks understands this issue:
England > İngiltere
Scotland > İskoçya
Wales > Galler Ülkesi
Northern Ireland > Kuzey İrlanda
United Kingdom > İngiltere
Great Britain > İngiltere
Britain > İngiltere
United Kingdom of Great Britain > İngiltere
As you see the last four are incorrect. The correct translations would be as follows:
United Kingdom > Birleşik Krallık
Great Britain > Büyük Britanya
Britain > Britanya
United Kingdom of Great Britain > Büyük Britanya Birleşik Krallığı
If I know corectly (still a little confused) these are correct:
a. "United Kingdom" covers England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
b. "Great Britain" covers England, Scotland and Wales.
c. "Britain" covers exactly the same as Great Britain.
d. "United Kingdom of Great Britain" covers exactly the same as "United Kingdom".
Anyway the average Joe, "sokaktaki adam" (the "man on the street" we say) thinks like I have shown in bolds. They consider these as different countries (e.g they consider England, Scotland and Wales as different countries).
To be honest, I was surprised to read United Kingdom on my visa when I got my first visa. I was expecting to read England.
I work for the Tukish Government as a Turkish teacher and during all the paperwork, applications the word UK, Britain or their Turkish translations was never used. It was always İngiltere where they were sending us. Even in offical issues we use the term İngiltere only. For instance we say 'İngiltere vizesi'. We never say 'Birleşik Krallık vizesi' or 'Britaya vizesi'.
Thanks Erdinc - this is exactly the sort of reply I was hoping for - a way for me to improve my Turkish Language skills.
Turkish seems not to differentiate "British" and "English" much. "Britanyalı", except in particular cases such as historical and geographical, is hardly used. We use mostly "Ingiliz". After all most of you are the same and arrogant, regardless of whether you are biritish or english, or whether you speak the same english language or not.
Whats up with you cyrano? Though I am not English I am British so I suppose your comments are aimed at me as well. I think its time somebody planted "The Kick" in your profile on your posterior
Please let my ticking off be the only one required!
I am sorry but MOST of us are not arrogant! Please be more careful when referring to a society. We like you can be very touchy about our nationality - I am English, I have to put on my passport British. This means I could be Scottish, Irish or Welsh of which I am none. In fact I am part Turkish!
In Wales many people speak Welsh and part of Scotland and Ireland they speak Gaelic. Neither language is anything like English - it is more like Ocitan in France which comes from the Languedoc region.
I am sure if I said that most Turkish are arrogant you would be jumping up and down now.
I am not offended - just angry and I will calm down
Turkish seems not to differentiate 'British' and 'English' much. 'Britanyalı', except in particular cases such as historical and geographical, is hardly used. We use mostly 'Ingiliz'. After all most of you are the same and arrogant, regardless of whether you are biritish or english, or whether you speak the same english language or not.
Thanks for your kind comment! Thats how much you know then. All arogant are we? I have just deleted what I was originally going to put but know doubt someone will write it. Just dont bother to reply to any more of my postings thanks.
The term in the UK for such things is called "Politically Correct" normally a bunch of do-gooders actually doing no good what so ever. I could quote a few things that have been banned in the UK because they are not "politically correct" but I would be here all day! Long live the Gollywog badge from the marmalade jar!
I am attempting "Teach yourself Turkish" and it has occurred to me (from one of the units) does the Turkish people consider those from the British Isles to be English?
Therefore they would ask the question "Ingliliz misiniz? or is there another form to ask if someone is British?
I can see it would get a bit confusing as we all speak English - albeit very differently.
Well,bored,means getting sick of things and you want to change it,and anti_bored like anti_biotics, that things you do to resist that boring state.
I like this analogy! Anti-bored like anti-biotics. I am one of those people who get bored easily and then I have to move onto the next thing - unless my interest in continually challenge either by myself or someone else! For instance I got bored doing the housework, so I came here..................
So all in all you have had a busy week! First Bayram celebrations now your Republic day. Hope you all (Turks)enjoyed your celebrations.
I admire how you stick with tradition and celebrate when you should celebrate and not days or even weeks before the event. Pity the UK doesn't follow this example for some of our traditional celebrations.
Let me guess! I bet it the film about he very beautiful couple he falls in love with her and like wise. He is a photographer an she spills some fluid into her eyes and is blinded. He then donates his eyes to her. She thinks he has left her but then sees him on a park bench but he is now blind and she walks away. YUK!! To me this looks like traditional Hong Kong rubbish.
Now I am going to look at the film to see if I have guessed right.
I think it is turning into a traditional TC deviation........... I agree, it all boils down to culture and traditions of the country.
For instance in China they any thing that moves! Nearly literally. I have been to many restaurants where there are tanks of fish and you choose the one you want, tanks of snakes, turtles, trushed up frogs, live chickens in the cages outside, various shellfish, still live of course. Then there are the restaurants with nice pictures of cats and dogs - yes they are on the menu. I must say they do eat some rather gruesome things (to our taste anyway). I have eaten shreaded jellyfish, braised seaslug but I stear clear of the chickens feet (and believe it or not lots of them make their way from Bernard Matthews in Norfolk to China!) Has that given you an appetite?
And all because piglet is banned in Turkey, or should it be Turkia (to avoid confusion!)
Is it from one vinyard or from a region of vinyards! That makes a big difference. From one vinyard - good wine, from a region of vinyards then maybe OK but not so good. All depends on the vintage. 1996 was a very good year
As an avid wine lover, I must admit to being a wine snob. Although at the moment I am drinking a South African Pinotage, ( a present) I normally drink French, Spanish or Italian wines. I have tried Turkish wine but sadly I was not impressed, by the nose, the after taste and the afor taste for that matter.
Any wine tips would be appreciated for my next trip to Turkey so I know I am getting a good wine. A good wine needs to be reared in the perfect conditions, just enough rain, just enough sun,the right latitude and the correct method of fermetation.............. more details can be supplied if required.
I like my red wine to be strong full bodied, good with red meats and my whites I like to be crisp and dry good with fish and salads.
Aenigma, before you ask, I do not talk or look like Gilly Goulden
Take the ribbons from my hair
Shake it loose and let it fall
Layin' soft against your skin
Like the shadows on the walls
Come and lay down by my side
'til the early morning light
All I'm taking is your time
Help me make it through the night
I don't care what's right or wrong
I don't try to understand
Let the devil take tomorrow
For tonight I need a friend
Yesterday is dead and gone
And tomorrow is out of sight
And it's sad to be alone
Help me make it through the night
We are in İstanbul from 10th February until early on 16th February 2007 Just need to book a hotel now but we have lots of choices so that won't be a problem.
If anyone wants to meet up in Istanbul then let me know......
Here you are Bod, I think your post was well and truely hijacked! You deserve to be back at the top!
MOONCAKES! Am I the only person in the world who loves them? I bought them back as presents for people and then noticed them in wastebins a couple of days later
There is nothing like a mooncake and a cup of Jasmine tea...Ahhh!
Jasmine tea - yum, mooncakes yuk! but then I dont like any much that is sweet, including baklava
First of all I want to say that I respect anyones beliefs, but I have to put you all straight on this front (pigs)!
When I was young we kept pigs to sell for meat. I can categorically assure you they do not eat their own excrement! They used to pile it all up one end of the shed and feed at the other end of the shed.
They are an extrememly intellegent animal very close in physiology to humans - ever heard of pigs organ transplants ie, kidneys?
Getting back to the pig farm, one of the pigs was ill with meningitus (not like humans) and it could not be sent for slaughter, and me being an animal lover I looked after it. I called it Piggy and it followed me everywhere, just like a dog.
Anyway, the pig got better and it had to go for slaughter, so I never ate pork for about 15 years after, just in case it was my pig!
What an absolutely ridculous argument over what we should or should not call Turkey.
And I agree with Kai on this one. When we talk about Turkey in the UK it is generally in the context of either we are talking about our holidays or it is Christmas and we are discussing food. When ever I have mentioned Turkey, on-one has said to me "do you mean the country or the bird".
As for names many children are teased about their surnames regardless of what it is.
Poor Bod, fancy opening a thread about going to Istanbul and it breaking out into a war of words - AGAIN! Bod I am jealous - enjoy Istanbul!!
What is wrong with men,is same with what is wong with women,there are the goods and the bads in every race,and kind,not just between women and men,but also among women themselves and men themselves,
And İ will look that thread up for you
I am asking the question of Kadersokak hypathetically - why does she/he not trust men? I am saying dont judge all men the same. Therefore "what is wrong with men" meaning why does she think there is something wrong with men - I am not asking!!
In one hour... I'm going to the dentist But I know I need a filling Why does my dentist always want a chat when my mouth is wide open... suction thing in one side and his tool the other ( ).... no wise cracks... I meant his little mirror !
I have had the same experience today too and now my teeth are nice and white and shiny! No fillings for me except my dentist cant wait to get you out of the chair and to PAY the extorniate sum of money for one minutes quick glance at moi dents
I have just read this article and wonder how grumpy you are in the mornings? Me? Very grumpy - takes me at least an hour to wake up, and then DONT YOU DARE TALK TO ME for another half hour!!
smoking waterpipe is different in turkey not like holland coz you smoke it a historical places and you feel that u are with others who do same that means in a social community .sometimes you can talk about any subject with a people that u didnt met in advance without any prejudice...
Thats right - In Holland you are more likely to smoke it with hashish (or maruijana) in it I think! As the soft drugs are available in shops just like cigarettes and sweets. You have cafes in Amsterdam that you can choose the joint or coffee with canabis in etc.. That is a simplistic description, but what I am getting at it is different to what I imagine in Turkey.
I am now getting a picture of close friends sharing the nargile and relaxing, which is a lovely thought.
Dont be pushed by your problems, be led by your dreams................... my moment of sobriety
Ouh! That could have been for me But....I am sure it wasn't
It is a quote from a friend of mine who suffers a severe facial disfigurement and has to deal with some nasty people along the way - and with the topic of face transplants in our news I thought I would put it here. Many people will relate to it I am sure, hence the sobriety (I'm on the gin if you think this is a bit out of character!)
Unfortunately, nude beaches here in the states are not permitted.
We have three near my home !
We have one near us too - supposedly rated to be one of the best in the UK (Holkham Beach). I have been there before you ask, but not to the nude bit. The nudies are all old, fat and very unattractive,they play silly games like beach volly ball and rounders etc (in the nude argggggg! all those wobbly bits jumping around) so with that said I keep away!
But answering the question, I like to be tanned but only subtly - I stear clear of sunbeds. It is just so nice to lay in the sun and feel the heat on your body, nothing better to get rid of the winter blues, from which I do tend to suffer from around November to February. I am meant to be in the sun not the dark..............
I dont smoke any more and last time I had a cigarette I thought my head was going to lift off!! So I was just wondering if the nargile has the same effect. I will try anything once even shreaded jelly fish!
As I mentioned the book, Saudi Princess, yes it is about killing but it also indicates what little influence women have on the decision to subject their daughter to an honor killing. It is a compeling read and not all about death.
I have limited knowledge of this objects use in Turkey, and what the effects are on the person using it. Obviously depending on what substances are smoked.
There is plenty of information about the Nargile and the history of it is very interesting. My original perception was that it was associated with the use of hashish and opium, which historically it was in some countries.
When I was on holiday in Oludeniz, there was a section on the beach where you could go and be served drinks and a nargile, but I was not tempted to try as I am not a smoker (anymore!).
I am interested in hearing some personal experiences. And would it be frowned upon if a woman smoked one? Is it the same or similar to smoking a cigarette?
What kind of primitive act is this? And is still goes on? Really? Where in Turkey does this occur?
I think you will find this goes on in many countries. There have been some cases in the UK, not necessarily Turkish but with other nationalities where this still happens as part of their culture. You should try and read the book titled Saudi Princess.
I decided to go and get some more bags for my vacumm cleaner
ROCK ON! !
Yeh Baby!! Cos, I had my shades on and music full blast whilst I travelled the 3 miles to the out of town shopping centre, comprising of 4 shops! If I had got a convertable the top would have been down too...............
Easyjet are the cheapest. Depending on your dates they can be as little as £40 return from Luton.
But they fly to the Asian side and not Attaturk and if you are staying on the European side you need to consider the cost of the taxi fair. Also dont take the first price at face value - they add on airport tax which can be around £20-30 depending on where you fly from in the UK.
Going into Debenhams (for those non English - a department store) and they are putting up Christmas decorations. FOR PITYS' SAKE IT IS STILL OCTOBER!!! Have I missed something but Christmas is December 25th?
Not just Christmas presents for sale - I can put up with that but actual decorations being put up in the shop, garlands, lights, etc etc
Just one more post about he police in the UK. I am afraid I join the majority here with a very low opinion of the police force in England. We had a recent case where three young women were rammed in their car from behind by three men in a car. The girls stopped and the men got out of the car and beat up two of the girls. One week later the police had still not been to take statements because they were on the border of two counties - they couldn't deviced which police force should investigate. Therefore the men have got away with it.
Going into Debenhams (for those non English - a department store) and they are putting up Christmas decorations. FOR PITYS' SAKE IT IS STILL OCTOBER!!! Have I missed something but Christmas is December 25th?
Isn't life a little to short to worry exactly where a thread should be? I never understand why so many arguments occur on here over the most trivial subjects. And that is my Friday afternoon, I bloody bored reaction to this thread!
I now have my cook book and have been reading it with interest. Yes there is quite a lot to read about the chef who has written the book. I am slightly disappointed that he now lives in America (no reflection on America!) so I do feel that some of the recipes will be slanted according to the ingredients he can buy.
I also live in quite a rural part of the England and you really need access to an Asian food shop to get some of the ingredients - which sunny Norfolk does not have too many of .
Another disappointing thing about the book is the lack of photo's for each recipe. I like to know what I am cooking and I wonder if the book is aimed at people who already know what the dishes look like!
I am yet to try out any recipes, but no doubt I will soon, perhaps on my unsuspecting friends!!
The dictionary I was having so much trouble with when I first downloaded, I revisted it today after trying several times before. I dont know what I did, except try and download again and now it works!!
My limited experience of Turkey is Istanbul twice and Olu Deniz on holiday!
I had "shopping" experiences in both. Istanbul we had a carpet shopping experience and in the end I had to take control (as all good women do!) and thank them profusly for their hospitality but we did not come to Istanbul loaded with GBP and about the best we can do is buy a couple of cups of tea
Now Olu Deniz was something else! I bought a couple of pairs of jeans (of course fake designer sorts!) from a cheeky shop assistant who called me to the front of the shop to tell me he thought I was very sexy. Well for that I got a Tshirt thrown in and a pair of socks!!
Oh yes, I forgot to say, computer to computer should be free. If you skype to a land line or mobile phone then there will be a charge. Hope this answers.
We have the key to our neighbours house and about three weeks ago they were on hoiiday. The inevitable happened, their alarm went off at 2:30 am. So I pulled on my jeans and jumper, woke husband who emerged in pants and dressing gown. We ventured down stairs sleepily and opened the front door, peering outside, not sure whether it was safe or not.
Husband went first, I suddenly heard him shout "oi, you stop, dont run away you b*****d" He quickly called to me "there is someone behind the bushes". I shouted at him to come inside whilst I called the police, I could still here him shouting at the "burgler".
Whilst I was on the phone to the police, he shouted to me again " it is the effing wheely bin"
I had to tell the police it was a false alarm and apologise profusly whilst she was laughing her head off. Then I saw the funny side and started laughing.
He had mistaken the wheely bin that had been delivered that day for a "stationary burlgar". There he was in his pants, bear footed jumping around shouting at a wheely bin at 2:30 im the morning!!
A poor pidgeon flew into my office window and left a perfect imprint on the glass. You can see the shape of his body complete with feathers, his beak shape, where his eyes are and his wings!
Suppose it depends on the type of degree. I had a mix of exams and written work, but as mine was an International Business degree the whole of the written work had to be analytical and of a specific format. I have also done NEBOSH Health & Safety Diploma part 1 and this again was a specific format, conlcusion at the end other wise the whole lot was returned to you unmarked. It happened to me because I put it in the wrong type of folder!!
But if I was MissCeyda, I would probably ask as to where they would like to see the format of the writing to avoid marking problems. And besides, there are so many differing opinions I should think the poor girl is getting confused.
Dont lend anyone any money. Alarm bells ring for me too. I have read so many stories on other sites where women have "lent" money, never to see it or the fella again. One women lost over £20,000 and she had been with him a few years. It went through the Turkish courts but as far as I know not a penny was retrieved.
I dont have a problem with sex in magazines, but reading the American version - well it had not a lot to do with dreams or body language!!! (Maybe one of the American girls can empathise here )
As Turkish girls are said to remain virgins until their wedding (in general) and with high morals, I would be suprised if the content of the Turkish version was anything like the American version.
For instance in the Sept Issue (Christine Aguliera on the front)
Inside
Sex Articles
Bedroom blog
Sex tips from guys
Sex position of the week
Sexy suprises he will love
5 very hot things to do with ice
and on the front cover - 30 Sex boosters
so tell me, are the articles the same?? I am dying to know
Arriving at Ataturk is quite straight forward, get your visa before you go through passport control, the booths are on the left just before passport control - and watch all those people who dont know about it queue up and then get sent back (sorry shouldn't laugh!)
Arriving at Ataturk is a different matter when leaving as there is baggage control as soon as you enter the airport and then another couple of time before you get on the plane. But i think this is quite normal for Turkish Airports.
Thanks Duda and NormanB, your answers have been most helpful. Good old Wilkpedia! I find it amazing that such dramatic changes can take place in the very short time in life and everyone adapts so readily.
I would be interested as to what the topics are cos I recently bought an American version in Hong Kong airport to read on the plane. It was sex, sex and more sex! I lent it to a fellow passenger and asked if she had learnt anything
Since ramazan began, I have been to Nautilus, Capital, Profilo, Cevahir, Akmerkiz and Kanyon among other places in the city. The foodcourts to me seem just as full now (before iftar) as they are the rest of the year. Another unscientific way to guess is to look out the window at 4.30 am and see how many lights are on. I live in Fulya (very conservative) and there are not as many lights on as you would think.
One thing I am not sure about, when the Turkish language changed from Arabic to Turkish in the 1920's did the spoken language change as well as the written language? As it didnt evolve how did people learn it?
It is a pity that not more Turkish members have contributes to this thread. Instead of that only the indiviualistic selfish members from the west have. It is also a shame that we from the west have to keep defending ourselves and our countries for what we dont necessarily agree with or aspire to.
All we have here is the opinion of two Turkish person - Cyrano you are Turkish?
I think the problem with asking such a question in the first place is that most of us, whatever our nationality are responsible and intellegent enough to know that not every person from a particular country fits the stereotype of that country. You therefore find that there is no need to discuss what the Turkish think of us Westerners. If you are already friends with someone from Turkey you will already have that answer.
Two years hey? Congratulations! You have got a way to go to catch me up - it has been a long haul sometimes and sometimes fun. I dont know what the recipe is, I think you learn that as you go along
My first and foremost impression of foreigners is, they are too individualist and mostly lack of virtue. Those who aren't such are no longer foreigners(!) anyway.
Cyrano, can you explain with examples what you mean by 'lack of vÃrtue'? I'm not English and my dictionary says 'lack of decency'. I'm not sure if I know what you mean.
I assume it to mean the holiday resort syndrome! Women in next to nothing, flirting with every available (or even unavailable) waiter, shop assistant or anyone who cares to glance there way. The ones that leave their morals at the airport and collect them on the way home! Then end up in the STD clinic a week or two later
Just to let you know that I have purchased a bargain from Amazon just now. I bought the CD and Book Teach Yourself Turkish (that Bod recently recommended)with the CD coming in at £7.99 instead of £11.99!! There will be no excuses now
My first and foremost impression of foreigners is, they are too individualist and mostly lack of virtue. Those who aren't such are no longer foreigners(!) anyway.
Individualism is a western trait that is part of the culture of the country. We are not all so individualist nor do we all lack virtue. So like that then perhaps I am not so foreign
How come whenever you are absolutely sure that something CANNOT happen, not yet anyway, the world turns upside down and finally shows you more than one ways to do it?
(And whenever you plan something with every little detail, something happens in the last minute and you have to call it off? )
I understand completely and I bet it has just happened!
I have had nothing but politeness and respect as a foreigner in Turkey, or in any other country I have ever been (except America!) and I think this is because I always treat people the way I would like to be treated myself.
In America (we travelled 10 states so I witnessed a good cross section of the public) they were anything ranging from downright rude (the shop assistants not even speaking to us when we bought something - we had two heads I think) to the completely over the top (do you know Aunty Betty who lives in Cambridge?)
I am a great believer you only get out what you put in
OK I think we’ve had enough of this mad situation over here.
Where are you dear admins? Don’t you care about what your creation is turning into? This was supposed to be a website that was built out of love and it’s main purpose was to help people learn the Turkish language and collect info about Turkia and it’s culture. And the general forums, were like a meeting place for the members, where they could get to know each other better through a lighthearted humorous chat, or through friendly debates. Is that what TC is now????
Let me tell you what TC is NOW:
A low quality translation center, with hostile members who don’t lose a chance to argue with each other about almost everything. Even the most naïve comment, is enough to make members attack each other. The Turkish members are keeping their mouths shut and the foreign ones are chatting about their own countries. I m sick and tired of reading about U.S. and U.K. in a forum that is supposed to be about TURKIA! The only pieces of Turkish poetry and literature that I can see lately, are the parts of the poems that a Turkish lover is sending to his British girlfriend and their translation is requested. The only news we are reading about Turkia, are the bombing attacks. On the other hand, I can read a variety of posts about crime in the US, pervert political parties in Holland and so on. Should I start posting the news from Greece as well??? Yeah I know this is an international community with members from all over the world. But all those members should have one common purpose: to learn about Turkia. If not, then they should be members of some other site. There are billions of them out there in the net.
What I ve also noticed and only ONE member so far had the courage to point out (thx Robin), is that some of the newest members of TC don’t even know how to speak and write their own language (i.e. English), while they try to teach the rest of us how to speak and what to think. I am Greek and I m trying to learn a 3rd language, through a forum that is “speaking†in another language that also is not my own. It’s so difficult, but still, when I write, I try to write correctly and with the fewest mistakes possible. I find it insulting, when I see a British member, using words like “nuffing†for nothing, “I no†for I know etc etc. Why do I have to be careful when I type but they don’t? At least, I am the one who should be tolerated, since I m trying to speak and learn in a language that is not my real one. For God’s sake show some respect to all those who are trying to learn something here.
I am the one (together with my twiny and a few more) who used to ride the forums and spoil them. But even then, we were only trying to tease and light up the atmosphere using some good (I hope) humor. But even in my worst nightmares, I couldn’t imagine what is happening in TC these past few months, and more intensively the past few weeks. Fun is good. Nobody likes a site strictly educational and with no freedom of speech. But this is too much!
I would love to finish this post, with saying that I m withdrawing from this site (not that anyone would care….). But I won’t do it. Not just yet. I’ve loved this place like my home and I’ve considered the members of it like a family for too long, to quit just like that. But please! DO SOMETHING before it’s too late!
Thanks in advance
Sophie
(By the way, I m posting this message in the announcements' forum, only because I saw that admin is the only moderator here. Maybe this way I can catch his attention)
*****oooffff yaaaa! Had to get these off my chest!******
let me remind you again what she wanted to mean here
so as a result, lets be more understanding to eachother here and let use good english or turkish any language you want to express yourself... but lets please use words
Absolutely! About time this came to an end. What started as an honest and truthful appraisal of what is happening here has once again become a completely uncessary attack of various members here. As for the spelling business, I hate text talk, the use of abbreviations used for text messages, but please do appreciate that some people cannot spell for one reason or another which could be dislexia. I had this pointed out to me on anothe siter I used to belong to.
Tolerance is a virture, so please use it and take head of Sophies' original post.
Thanks for your answers. I know what MrX means - I think that social pressures one way or another account for a lot these days, but I also think that people do things for their own self satisfaction (if you can call it that). I know muslims that do and do not fast. My son's girlfriend is muslim and she does not but her father does.
For us (those of us for whom it is not part of our culture - I wont say religion!) it is difficult to understand, not the reasons, but how you can physically abstain from eating and drinking for what seems to me a long time!
I totally respect your fortitude and admire you all for it, whilst in this day and age many cultures and beliefs are being eroded.
For me life is for living to the full, but first of all my family (may be not so much now they are grown up!) Then there is me, and I like my space to be able to do my own things sometimes. Then comes my friends and some come before others. With out family and friends to enjoy your life with then what is there left? Life is like a big jigsaw, every thing has to be put in it's place to fit and become a big picture. My philosphy for today!!
As a non-muslim I am interested in but my understanding is limited on the fasting that takes place during Ramazan and would like to get some Turkish views on it. Here are some questions that would help my understanding.
What percentage of the population fasts?
Is it the same for men and women?
How old are you when you start?
What about women who are pregnant or breastfeeding?
What about the elderly and the ill (hospitals etc)?
Do you feel thirsty if you cant drink?
How do you cope during the first few days?
What is it like when you begin to eat during the day again?
Do you lose weight?
Another thing that I would like to know about: The fast food (kebabs and peanut/chestnut sellers etc) do they carry on with their business during fasting period?
I apologise if I appear ignorant but I am intriged on how you cope as I cant imgaine not drinking water during the day.
I learnt French and can speak it quite well, but I am rusty now as I have not had any practice lately. You need to learn verbs and tenses, to be (être) and to have (avoir) as these are used for most of the language in some shape or form. I find French quite easy, but then I also learnt Spanish which is similar but even easier. Then when you know those you can have a go at Italian!!
The advice above about the BBC is good. The lessons are good for basic. If you can sign up at evening school even better as you get to practice then.
A major people smuggling ring has been in court today. Trafficing people packed inlorries from Southern Turkey to London. The film shown on TV was horrific. Young men packed into lorries and when the doors were opened they fell out nearly unconscious because of lack of oxygen, food and water. For this they had paid upto £14,000 to the leader, who had made millions. From the news report it seems like this is the tip of the iceberg.
My great grandfather was a Turkish sailor, who met my great grandmother in London. She got pregnant and he left. Not sure at what point and even if he knew about it. Anyway my grandmother was born in 1903 with no father.
My question is where would Turkish sailors have come from, i.e. which port and where would they more than likely have lived.
Is there anyway of looking up ships from Turkey to London? I can narrow down the ships passage to about July 1902.
If anyone was wondering I am researching my family history.
Go to the airport website and you should be able to find what you want. Bear in mind the highjacked plane tonight from Albania to Istanbul, which was landed in Brindisi. I might be causing problems with websites.
Nice to hear you are getting on so well! Been interested in your story from the start! Just want to say, my friends son (English but lives in America now) married a Turkish girl (American citizenship now) but all her family are Turkish and they are doing OK. They have been married for around 4 years. I am sure you wil be successful as I believe you have the right attitude and of course you are and English gentleman!
When I wake in the morning I will be another year older but to make that better I am going shopping and then later I will be going out with friends for dinner Sunday I will stay in bed and watch the Great NOrth Run, (I like running!) and then later in the day I to will go for my 6 mile run then visit my sons new house! The weekend ends ..............
I went to a wedding in Istanbul in February and for me the Turkish / Westernised women of all ages where dressed beautifully and some were very pretty, even the older ones!
If you are already pregnant then there are just the two choices which you have already discussed above. If it was me I would have the baby regardless of circumstances because I could not bear to get rid of a child.
One thing you dont mention is how old you both are.
In an ideal world, it is not good to be a single parent. It will be difficult in many ways and more difficult in some cultures than others. For instance, in the UK there are so many unmarried mothers with not just the one child but several. It is not good for society.
It got me thinking, since it's so hard for me to fit because of my long legs, maybe I should go to the mens department. I just couldn't bring myself to doing it.
Why not???
Because men's styles are so boring I hope
Try Top Shop's Tall range - they do leg lengths upto 36" which suit me as I often wear very tall playforms and have long legs to start with
Stop bragging about long legs - I like to think I have long legs for some who is 5'4" (162cm) and buy 31" jeans
Why do girl's clothes shops sell "boy cut" jeans???
Surely girls who want "boy cut" jeans just buy them from a boy's clothes shop :-S
I was one of those that always needed "boy cut" jeans and I would rather not get my kit off in a mens shop!! If you are wondering what "boy cut" jeans are, they are for those of us who had boyish figures and not the volumtuous sort!
the most intersting thing is that my friend didnt buy alottary :d
they told him that they hoose his email by miCrosoft Company or some thing like that is that Could happen? or maybe its a joke?
Yusuf, I hope your friend has not spent any of the money yet!! I have heard of this as an internet scam
Could any one explain what does she mean??????????
There are many lottery scams about. You get an ewmail to tell you you have been selected at random and you have won a sum of money. They come from the Netherlands, Spain, South Africa. I had one once from the Netherlands and answered the emails until they asked me to send them money and then I replied that I had forwarded all the emails to the lottery scam authority!!
I don wear a,ot of make up - I was always such a tomboy ( for those who dont know what a Tomboy id, a girl that likes boys activities such as tree climbing, fishing, etc etc) I never did all those girly things, so today I am still much that way. And besides I cant see without my glasses so how do you put makeup on when you cant see ?? When I do manage, it is a bit of lipstick, eyeshadow and the minimum of mascara and I do it for myself not others!! Perfume is my weakness!
I saw a bit of it when I was travelling once - sort of a cross between "celebrity get me out of here" and Lost. It was a lot of pretty girls and young fellas and the programme maker hope that some of them get it together, so to speak.
Flight from Shenzhen to Shanghai cancelled, then had to book into another flight, Seemed like I was the only person to do that. then flight delayed. arrive Shanghai 10:30pm last night. Up early today to do factory audit and they failed because they fine there workers for mistakes in production which makes their wages go below kinimum wage (650RMB a month about £44 a month) and they get fined up to 350 RMB a month. So we pulled the business til they clean up their act.
So, are you saying if they make mistakes they fine the employee's, then their wages go down. Do all of the workers wages go down, if someone makes a mistake? Just curious on their employment laws over there.
Not all factories do that - it is illegal, even here! But that doesnt mean it does not happen.
From someone who IS married a word of wisdom! Dont marry unless you are 100% sure you love the person and they love you. You have to find them sexually attractive too (in my opinion) otherwise your life will be miserable. It is no good marrying some for money or someone who you have no feelings for. The same goes for both men and women, dont matter about the nationality etc.
Yes I like it really - something to talk about Mr X! Have good evening everone, I am off to be as it is late for me and another early start i the world of corruption and traffic jams to beat all trafic jams - even better than Istanbul!
Flight from Shenzhen to Shanghai cancelled, then had to book into another flight, Seemed like I was the only person to do that. then flight delayed. arrive Shanghai 10:30pm last night. Up early today to do factory audit and they failed because they fine there workers for mistakes in production which makes their wages go below kinimum wage (650RMB a month about £44 a month) and they get fined up to 350 RMB a month. So we pulled the business til they clean up their act.
I am in China, it is late, I am alone, bored with the whole of Shanghai to explore and no one to explore with me. So I have nothing better to do than get drunk - sorry folks (and come on here! ) excuse the postings for 19.09.06 - 23/09/06
We may agree but it is not for discussion here. I am in China and there are plenty of human rights issues to resolve that no one ever hears about. Look up Falun Gong and see what you think.
I think Admin will answer this question better, but what strikes me is that after downloading, you MUST have a "TurkishDictionaryv0.1.zip" file that you must explicitly extract. Then you get a new folder called "Turkish Dictionary v0.1", then you need to open this folder and there will be two different files - you need to click on the "setup.exe" file. That will initiate the installation. When the installation is complete, you'll get a purple-blue "Turkish Dictionary" icon. You click on it (and I think nothing explicit happens, but the program is running).
thanks for that, but I already have a new folder called Turkish dictionary V0.1 and I have the purple icon on my desktop. I have no zip file and the exe file is also there. When I click it the dictionary opens just the same as it does on this site.
Well my friends, I have a trip to China tomorrow for a week, visiting factories. I will be travelling alone so think about me dragging my case around and being stared at because I am a woman travelling on my own in China. For sure they wont offer to help me with my case - they look at me as if I am from another planet Uhmm but then perahps I am? Who knows?
I really dont know why you get upset by this sexist thing - give as good as you get that is my motto, having worked in male orientated business most of my working career i know "how to hold my own", so to speak. So dont get upset of a silly idea of a Miss Turkishclass, life is to short. Let Yusuf have his bit of fun, I am sure he means no harm.
Bye the way, I downloaded Babylon software today and that is "CTL Right Click" which works perfectly anywhere - emails, websites, word docs, spreadhseet you name it.........
It still wont work for me and I have uninstalled and reinstalled. Not a thing :-S All it has done has put an icon my my desktop. Must have done something wrong but cant figure it out.
Libralady, what kind of operating system are you using? If you're using Windows, then what version? So you extracted the zip file, clicked on .exe file which installed the software, then clicked on the TurkishDictionary icon and it doesn't work when you "Alt + Left click" on a word? What kind of message appears when you "Alt + left click"?
By the way, you must be connected to the internet for this to work.
I have windows XP professional version
the zip file opened itself - I have checked no zip file
The exe file opened as the various download boxes appeared
the software was installed as i had a message to say so
I click on the icon and only the dictionary opens as it is on left here
When I "alt left click" nothing happens, no message not a thing
and I am connected to the internet all day long, via our server with broadband at 100mps sec
It still wont work for me and I have uninstalled and reinstalled. Not a thing :-S All it has done has put an icon my my desktop. Must have done something wrong but cant figure it out.
I have downloaded it at work today, but it is no different to the dictionary here? Is that right? Do you have to be registered? :-S
No different?? The big difference is that you can use it with any Turkish (and English) word you see on any website on the internet. It runs in the background, and when you see a word you want to have translated, you alt+left click and the translation pops up..
In that case it is not working for me - I have to physically click on the icon to open it then put in the word I want. :-S I'll try and work out what I have done wrong
It is all to do with your blood group - apparently! Luckily I have the right sort of blood and dont get bitten, A Rhesus Neg and my husband who gets bitten alive is O
I just read the bit about not getting out of bed for 40 days!! Is this true? I had cesareans and I got out bed the same day! I was driving a car a week later and doing exercises to get my stomach muscles back in shape!
We have a guess at the sex of the child by how the baby is being carried. At the front a girl, spread around a boy. But again I carried one out the front and looked like a beached whale and the other more spread out.
When I say spread out I mean if you look at a woman from the back you see her waist. Carry the baby at the front and you still see her waist, spread all around the waist has gone!
It is not just MEN who cheat all over the world it is also WOMEN! and we have whole series of programmes about it in the UK and I dont just mean cheat in marriage or relationships but in all areas of life. There is always someone out their ready to cheat on you if you are vunerable or naive enough to let them.
I am getting slightly fed up with this notion that all Turkish men cheat.
Turkish men run,drink,sleep,eat,love,cheat...)they r not from another planet
I think Mr X is trying to say they are no different from any other man on this planet! And I must say I know plenty of English men that cheat (and women for that matter) with plenty being downright bastards . With divorce rate at about 1 in 4 marriages in the UK something is not right.
Because my stupid husband has his own little parties until the wee hours, it wakes me up (2:00am this morning) and then I was still awake at 4:00, so now I am tired and feeling rather grumpy (and he has a sore ear!)
Go to the Galapagas Islands to see those strange creatures that only live there!
Climb a volcano and look down into it - preferably when it is not errupting!
Go to Iceland
Go paragliding (again)
Help in a disaster - like those people who go to where earth quakes etc have happened
Do something life changing - yet to be decided (maybe above would be)
Go hiking in the mountains in Turkey
Learn Turkish and become fluent in French and Spanish
I am feeling a bit serious today so if I am full of fun tomorrow these could change!
6:00am is early! Unless you are catching a flight somewhere nice and then it is the middle of the day ! Or if you have had a night on the tiles then it is the middle of the night
In Scotland we have had a total ban on smoking in bars and restaurants for a few months now.Some of the bars have awnings outside with heaters but the real test will come in the winter
It is also a big money spinner for the environmental health people who come and nab you dropping your fag end on the floor - that'll be 50 quid sir for dropping litter of course!
I have a pair like that but they have more holes than there is material - although most of the holes were deliberate I wear them with stripy tights underneath but haven't worn them for ages.
Aren't tights a little restrictive in certain areas?? and especially under jeans
We went to Edinburgh in May where the ban is already in force - and what do you get? A club that has half the people in doors and half out doors smoking - right in the door way. So al lthe non-smokers have to walk right through a fog!!
But someone has come up with a brainwave beer mat - please leave my drink I have gone for a fag. Just leave it on your glass!
I am an anti hand luggage person full stops! Reason? Because I never take that much anyway and there are some people who seem to have case bigger than my normal case.
And I nearly missed a flight once because of all the handluggage and additional security involved, flying out of Germany - I ended up with my hand luggage on my knee becuase of all the other hand luggage, there was no room for my paulty bag.
I travel alot, probably in one year I will fly 6 /7 times often long haul to Hong Kong/China and my hand luggage consists of:
Book, Passport, money, tickets, hotel confirmation, Ipod, bottle of water. Although this time I reckon I will ditch the water.
If you want to buy anything in the airport, have it so you can collect when you return. If you want to buy a present you will have to do that before you fly and pack it.
Has anyone else sussed out that one person is responsible for the various postings in various names today? They give the game away - I spotted the link
Lots of pubs etc have separate areas for smoking and non-smoking already, but as from March 2007 it will be banned completely. Partly to do with the people working there being at risk of second hand smoke and related cancer. But then everyone has the choice where to work and whether to subject themselves to other peoples smoke.
I think it is a crazy law really, and I cant see how 1000 people in a nightclub want to go smoke at the same time - where will they go? they wil start fighting? they will spill out onto roads? and even more problems
Now let me spoil your fun! As from March 2007, in the UK smoking in confined or enclosed spaces will be illegal. No bars, pubs, clubs, restaurants will there be any smoking - you will have to go outside to smoke (:satisfied_nod. At work no-one will be allowed to smoke, unless they are in a designated smoking zone - not enclosed of course. Employers could be fined up to £5000 for allowing smoking in enclosed areas.
Smoking in the workplace has not been allowed for ages due to fire safety regulations.
I am not sure whether I agree entirely with the law, but being a non smoker I will be glad to go out and not come home smelling like an ash tray.
But I do think that gradually our freedom is being eroded by some senseless laws and controls.
Point taken girls - and yes when you develop the theory of what we spend on non-essentials and luxuries then yes we are also guilty and I suppose she is keeping several people in a job too
Dressed for business today and the current warm weather - smart grey trousers, sea blue/green top with sparkly bits on it, black sling back shoes and perfume (Boss intense!) No that is me not the perfume
that Pamela Anderson spend £4000 PER DAY on her makeup artists to keep looking "beautiful"! She obviously has more money than sense and reading this makes me so angry
Call me a killjoy, but surely he would not have known about Istanbul then? as it was called Constantinople - please correct me if I am wrong :-S
I'm afraid that Istanbul is correct because Constantinople is a greek name. Actually the first name of the city was Bizance. In 330 AC, was called Constantinople by Contantino Emperor, up to 1453, when türks got the city. During Ottoman Age, was known by both ways: Constantinople and Istanbul.
Thanks for putting me right - I must read more history
I for one am very sad to hear the news. I was always glued to the TV when he was on. I loved his sense of adventure and when you dice with death regularly as he did, then one day it will happen.
Just a thought, but perhaps recent events have caused the shutdown, to hamper any adverse activity with in the resort? The internet was shut down in the UK last July and then many sites were closed the other week when we had the terrorist scare.
Some bright spark has come up with map of "obesity hot spots" around the UK. Living in rural norfolk, about 60k west from Norwich on the the map, i live in a fairly high risk area. (Click on the link above!)
Now you dont need to be a magician to not notice that obesity is a problem in the UK. When I sit outside and have a coffee in my local town and watch world go by, you can see that obesity is an issue.
I wonder what Turkey's obesity map would look like, indeed if one was needed!
Some bright spark has come up with map of "obesity hot spots" around the UK. Living in rural norfolk, about 60k west from Norwich on the the map, i live in a fairly high risk area. (Click on link above)
Now you dont need to be a magician to not notice that obesity is a problem in the UK. When I sit outside and have a coffee in my local town and watch world go by, you can see that obesity is an issue.
I wonder what Turkey's obesity map would look like, indeed if one was needed!
Having just read the post from Erdinc in the Admimistrators thread, I wonder how many of us are addicted to the internet? Or perhaps more to the point, certain aspects of the internet! How much time do you spend on the internet? Is it disturbing/interferring your life in any way? Relationships, eat and sleep patterns, physically, psychologically.................
Like anything, I try to keep my use in moderation and when I have access during my working day, it is sometimes very difficult to resist.
But I also use the internet for research for my job, learn languages, book flights and holidays, buy things, etc so not all bad.....
I have only just picked up this thread and want to make a comment about the handkissing.
When I went the wedding of a friend in Istanbul, when he was receiving guests after the ceremony, I noticed that he greeted an old lady and he kissed her hand and put it on his forehead. Now he is 35 and a very liberal Turk.
I would assume that this is a custom between families and not one that an "outsider" would particpate in.
Some of the hypothetical girls mentioned in posts above dont have the benefit of experience and think they are the only one that has been asked for money or whatever else. From various posts I have read in other sites, as soon as NO comes into it they usually forget the girl and move on to the next suspect. Doesn't mean they are bad but they are just taking advantage of situations as they present themselves, and really who can blame them for trying. If they have been successful once or twice, why not try again?
I can´t say I have to much experiences of turkish men...I have only been in Turkey two times and both times it has been in a quite extreme environment - the tourism industry of Alanya. I can´t say that I am impressed of what I have seen or heard when it comes to turkish men and love...but of course I don´t want to generalize and say that all turkish men are the same. But if you are interested to read about turkish men in the tourism industry I recommend this link:
Here are some examples...
I actually find these sites repulsive - especially the naming and shaming ones. Sometimes the ladies forget they are really the ones who need to be named and shamed. Serial Turkish boyfriend collectors!!
When you reach the age of experience like me, birthdays are not such a big deal! In fact mine are now going backwards
I do think tho' that it gets a bit ridculous - we always collect at work for 18th, 21st and 40th. Now it is these plus 30, 50, 60. Then anyone whose birthday it is they bring in cakes!
Libra is the only inanimate sign of the zodiac, all the others representing either humans or animals. Modern astrologers regard it as the most desireable of zodiacal types.
Traditional Libra Traits
Diplomatic and urbane
Romantic and charming
Easygoing and sociable
Idealistic and peaceable
On the Dark Side
Indecisive and changeable
Gullible and eaily influenced
Flirtatious and self-indulgent
Likes:
The finer things in life
Sharing
Conviviality
Gentleness
Dislikes:
Violence
Injustice
Brutishness
Being a slave to fashion
Libra's ruling planet is VENUS.
Sapphire is the starstone.
Some famous people who are Libras; John Lennon, Christopher Reeve, Neils Bohr, T.S. Elliott, Julio Inglesias,Heinrich Himmler.
Me too, except I am not indecisive or changeable, but I get bored quickly, not am I guilable or easily influenced but I am flirtatious and indulgent (fine icream being my indulgence!)
And I am smack bang in the middle of LIbra 30th Sept. Dont forget friends!! shared with the Turkish Philospher Mevlana
Intersting!! Men are like supermarkets, plenty of choice, some are top shelf and some are bottom shelf and there are the ones in between. There is the meat counter with all the best beef, the fish counter (need I say more) the deli. Then there are the big packets and the small packets. Sweet fruit, sour fruit and fruit that is going bad, but when you get to the checkout you have to pay???????? Any girl pay a man yet? (i suppose they do judging by some of the stories about girls being ripped off)
Oh I forgot the special offers and the buy one get one free! 50% extra?? I could go on.......................
Allah is the only One who gives life and takes lives. "If he wishes something to happen, He just says "be" and the thing happens at the moment..." (Qur'an) He is Almighty.. After the earthquake in Adapazari, I know a person who survived around 35 days under the collapsed building stucked and without eating and drinking. So He is the only lifegiver, who can say a thing??..
So what about the thousands who died - perhaps he forgot them!
and as for the fishermen, they must have had great strength and presence of mind to live that long at sea or did they land on an island somewhere - surely you must hit land at some point, unless they went round in circles.
Wow Deli What spirit you have! I wish I could write to say I have done something wonderful for love - but sadly I have not. Perhaps I am too selfish or had one to many rebuffs.
I have tried raw egg on my hair as a conditioner and I have used vinegar in water as a final rinse to make my hair shine more and I have used lemon juice on my hair to get streaks in the sun! But as my hair is red brown the lemon juice turned it ginger! Then as an 18 year old I decided to add a touch of peroxide! Disaster I think henna is a much safer bet!
You are right MrX. I studied culture in relation to business when I did my degree.
When culture is affected by another culture, for intance the introduction of westernised lifestyles into Eastern lifestyles, for instance, McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken, B & Q etc, the culture subtly changes because of these introductions. This is called "aculturation".
Where this has been noticed is the intrduction of what we call fast food chains into Taiwan. Years ago the children did not get fat now there is an obesity problem because of the change in lifestyle.
This is where the marketing of products and services comes into force.
I would certainly welcome Tony Blair with open arms. Under his leadership he has proven to be proactive than reactive. I believe thousands of people should be gratious especially today for his forward thinking approach. I know I am!
I am sorry but he is on holiday and buggar all those around him. Well you are welcome to him then! He is a rubbish prime minister with no balls! Not just because of this but many other things in the UK. There is a lot more I could say but I would get this thread locked!
I decided to look up my name this is what I found! Not quite the meaning I have found in the past!
BRIDGET
Gender: Feminine
Usage: Irish, Scottish, English, Irish Mythology
Pronounced: BRIJ-it [key]
Anglicized form of the Irish name Brighid which means "exalted one". In Irish mythology she was the goddess of fire, poetry and wisdom, the daughter of the god Dagda. This name was also borne by two important saints: a patron saint of Ireland (also known as Brigid) who established a convent at Kildare in the 5th century, and Saint Bridget of Sweden (also known as Birgitta) who founded an order of nuns in the 14th century.
It seems that there are connections with Pakistan and those arrested at all British Muslims I am afraid - born and raised in our country then wanting to create havoc. There was also a paralell effort in PAckstan, Karachi, and people have been arrested there too. As for Tony Blair, pity he dont stay in the Carrabean or better still go shack up with his bum chum Bush! And may they live happily ever after, so that we can too
My name Bridget is Germanic in origin and can be spelt many ways - Brigitte, Brigit, Brigita, Bridy. There was also a Saint Bridget in Ireland who was (or is!) the patron saint of small birds.
My name means strong - and by jeepers I am in more ways than one! Stong in the mind and strong in the arm!
Hoping to bike from London to Paris next July so the strong bit does come into it..............
My son was due to fly out to Zankynthos from Gatwick at 05:00 and I awoke this morning to hear that there has been bomb scares and major flight disruptions. So I try to look up his flight on the Gatwick website and that has been closed down as has Heathrow site. Then I try the Zankythos site and low and behold, flight arrivals and departures also blocked!
Just goes to show how swiftly the security forces have got to work and thank god for that.
But I remain a worried UK citizen who just wants peace on the earth!
Thanks, I was somehow expecting this sort of reply!! I know boats are big around the coast and I have seen a boat moored up with a satellite dish on a tripod on the shore. There is a camping a caravanning site in Turkey but when I looked I did think it was aimed at travellers other than Turkish.
We do plenty of business in Holland and Germany! They are mad keen on their touring vans!
Never mind, perhaps not such a business idea after all - well nothing ventured!
I think Pinky probably missed the word "some" turkish men fall in love easily! I can agree with her to some extent from some of the stories I have read on various other sites.
I have had experience of this but he was British. He was a complete pest and it was nearly a problem to get him to understand. In the end I just had to be cruel cos he just did not get the message. How can anyone love someone the first time they meet or am I just a cynic!
Expedia, cheap flights, last minute - they wll have flights out of Dalaman. I know pegasus fly into Norwich weekly and back again! Most, if not all the flights out of Dalaman I reckon are flights full of package holiday makers, so it is quite hard to get a seat.
I wonder if anyone can help me. I am trying to research the TV Reception market in Turkey with a view to supplying TV reception products. In particular I am looking into what we call the leisure market. People with touring caravans who would park up at a campsite and still want to watch TV (that always suprises me ). So I am looking at Terrestrial TV, Digital TV and Satellite TV reception.
If anyone thinks they can help please send me a PM then I will give further details.
It was on our news this morning that tragically a young girl age 6 was burned to death when a fire eating show went desperately wrong. This happened in Izmir. My heart goes out to the family. What more can you say.
Perhaps I should try and be the perfect wife and put it in the bin or even not cook it all perhaps I should go out and not come back Leave a message "hey I have just popped out, nipped to Turkey for a few weeks, see you later"
It's three miles to the river
That would carry me away,
And two miles to the dusty street
That I saw you on today.
It's four miles to my lonely room
Where I will hide my face,
And about half a mile to the downtown bar
That I ran from in disgrace.
Lord, how long have I got to keep on running,
Seven hours, seven days or seven years?
All I know is, since you've been gone
I feel like I'm drowning in a river,
Drowning in a river of tears.
Drowning in a river.
Feel like I'm drowning,
Drowning in a river.
In three more days, I'll leave this town
And disappear without a trace.
A year from now, maybe settle down
Where no one knows my face.
I wish that I could hold you
One more time to ease the pain,
But my time's run out and I got to go,
Got to run away again.
Still I catch myself thinking,
One day I'll find my way back here.
You'll save me from drowning,
Drowning in a river,
Drowning in a river of tears.
Drowning in a river.
Feels like I'm drowning,
Drowning in the river.
Lord, how long must this go on?
Drowning in a river,
Drowning in a river of tears.
Thing is you really have to weigh it all up. These cheap flights might seem very attractive but when you find the airports are miles from anywhere and your flight leaves the UK at 07:00. meaning either an overnight stay or getting up at the crack of dawn, adding further to the "cheap cost", then when it all comes down to it, go with what you know!
You can always play them at their own game. When I was on holiday one Turkish guy called to me and I ignored him, he called again and said "where are you going". I replied "I am going for a swim" when I was dressed to go to a restaurant. When I returned later, he called again and again I ignord him. He called again " where are you going" and I said "for a swim"! I left him laughing his head off................
I thought a minimum wage operates in Turkey is that correct?
In the UK it is currently £5.05 pr hour but it is rising to £5.35 pr hour. The type of jobs where people get paid the minimum wage only is the service industry, waiters and bar staff, cleaners etc. manufacturing, production operators etc and agriculture - land workers (and of whom many of them are Eastern European, so to them the minimum wage is like winning the lottery)
I too visit China regularly, going again in September, but my visits are purely business related. if you want to know about anything work related, PM me and I will answer any questions I can. I have been travelling to Chinese factories for the past 9 years.
I always find that lighting a candle evokes great sadness in myself, I dont how others feel, cos to me it symbolises death or the loss of a loved one/ones. Always the white candles. What does it symbolise for others?
But then you get the occasion when you light a candle for romance (the sort that smell nice) and a romantic evening with nothing but candle light and soft music.
I like the idea of lighting a candle for someone or something. In England it is not something that is generally done like other European countries which I think is sad. The first time I saw candles lit was in Austria in the grave yard. Now it is becoming more common in England. When my brother-in-law died in a car accident we lit a candle for him. It somehow keeps the memory alive.
I have done it before, see pic on profile!! in France. I was scared as hell to begin with, but after the take off, it was fantastic! Something I MUST do again and Oludeniz is perfect fro that!
Why not have a look on the many tourist / hotel websites for Turkey, you can then get a balanced view. I personally would only stay in a hotel in a city, so that you get looked after a bit! When you say an appartment I assume you mean self catering like in a holiday resort. It is all downto personal choice in the end, as to what ever budget you have to spend.
I was talking to someone the other day whose friend decided to drive from the UK to the Istanbul Grand Prix last year. It took him two solid days of driving from 06:00 til midnight both days. He was relentlessly stopped in Bulgaria for some very stupid "traffic Offences" but you are aloud to drive as fast as you like! I have driven in several Europeaa countries, including Italy (and that is mad!) but the Turkish driving is much madder and even with 30 odd years unblemished driving behind me I would not like to attempt it - but then life is there to be challenged! Agree, flying is much quicker!
I have both real player and media player, but it a microsoft error message that comes up so I wonder if it is anything to do with my firewall. Never mind..............
If you think about driving after you passed your test (EEEEKKKKK!) you will need to make sure that a new driver is OK to drive through all the countries you would need to pass through and there might be age limits for foriegn drivers too (so know idea how old you are so no offence ment!) Good luck!
Depends what you want to pay! If you are from the UK, a flight to Istanbul with Turkish airlines is £200 and you can pay what you like for a hotel. I use Expedia.co.uk. But now Easy Jet fly to the other airport but dont know how much.
Address:
Sabiha Gokcen International Airport
34912 Pendik
Istanbul/TURKIYE
Tel
: + 90 216 585 50 00
Fax
: + 90 216 585 51 14
SITA : SAWOOYF
Located on the Anatolian shore of Istanbul at Pendik / Kurtkoy, at a distance of 40 km to Kadikoy, 12 km to Pendik and 50 km to Taksim. It has a really convenient traffic in terms of transportation with its 1.5 km connection to the TEM motorway.
Regular services are made to from Kadikoy Coast, Bostanci; Coast and Kucukyali on the Anatolian Shore, according to the flight times.
Located at a distance of 4 km to the Pendik Sea Bus Jetty.
Located at a distance of 4 km to the Pendik Train station.
There is a website http://www.sgairport.com/havaalani/eng/seyahat.asp
which looks quite good. So this is where Easy Jet are flying into then??
No it was more than one person. Anyway, never mind,just thought I was extremely popular Have a good holiday, just post some nice pics whne you get back - save on posatage (still waiting for mine to be loaded )
Not in Turkey, but I have in France! I was shopping in a rural area when they thought I had a forged franc note. That tested my French and when I had to go to the Police station that again tested my French..................but I coped they understood me and I understood them! Job done!
Why do postmen put letters through the door of a shop that is clearly closed down (I mean empty) and there is other post on the floor that has not collected?? I think I have answer to this one - they are too bloody lazy to take it back to the sort office!
Susie, You will have to tell them about the potato famine in Ireland and about all the people that starved to death because the potato crop failed! If you were or are a Black Adder fan, there was one episode where Sir Walter Raleigh brought the potato to Queen Elizabeth 1. It was so funny!!
Thank fully we dont rely on them quite so much these days, with pasta, rice etc. How we managed before Sir Walter Raleigh introduced them beats me!!
And thunderbirds are go!! You could always see the strings, but still thought it was real! What about Bonanza - anyone remember that? The wobbbly scenary and the echoy voices - UKmalemodel, you have certainly got us going ..................... Who went fishing? and did you make slides in the winter in the playground? Did you have snowball fights? Anyone old enough to remember the cold winters in the 60's? I learnt to ice skate on the river at the front of my house and there used to be skating competitions in the Fens (only (some) English folk will know this one).
Brilliant! and I did most of those dangerous things and survived. Plus I made bows out of willow tree branches (using a sharp knife to fashion the end) and arrows from reeds (that had been peed on by rats of course!)
Sad thing is, it is people of my generation that are causing children not to have a childhood like I remember.
Now you have started!! Are potatoes grown in Turkey? I have been to turkey now three times and not once seen potatoes on the menu? and if they do who introduced them to Turkey?
Wonder if he is on the dark side of the moon or will he be another brick in the wall! A brilliant Pink Floyd would not be here if it were not for him. Thanks
Do you have to buy them through university or do you have a website similar to our Amazon (in Holland)? If you do you can always sell you books via Amazon too. So like me who spent £100's on books I have been able to sell most of them since.
Sorry to add my two peneth worth but aren't European Lanugauges, French, English, Spanish, Italian derived from Latin and that is where the similarities occur with volcabulary? Sorry this is not to answer the original but perhaps to answer some of the thread below.
Sorry Carla! Portugal are nothing but a bunch of la la's and cheats!! I was all for Portugal but not now I have seen them play. The best game to date was Germany and Italy with the Italian winning 2 nil in last 2 min of extra time. It was end to end all the way. France have also come out with a good display and I hope they give Portugal a good tonking (English for well and truly beaten ) tonight. I will be glued.
It is glorious! What am I doing here then? Well I have to do some housework, and I put my music on and cannot resist a peak at Turkish class to see you is around! All those of you that are in England and basking in the hot sun, long may it last!
Words are not always necessary!! I often just smıle at a stranger and usually you get a smıle back. I have a habıt of just talkıng to the next person ın the queue and sometımes they ıgnore you others wıll speak. What ever the mode of language for hello! always smile with your eyes as well as your mouth! It is contagous
Found this information - might answer a few questions?
Depends on how you want to argue the case.... Seems to me you're all ganging up on Muslims. You need to checkout other cultures, traditions and religions that require similar obervances. That is amongs the Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and the Jews.
And I don't believe women should be subjugated.
I am not ganging up on muslims, far from it, I actually found this quite interesting - i believe the same (woman should not be subjugated) but it not going to change in the short term is it? And it is not just Turkey, it is all over the world including the UK. What about all the women who are beaten by their husbands or partners in the UK because they dont toe the line?
I think this thread has now lost the plot. Someone asks a simple question and it descends into a battle ground.
Are there any recipes on this site? If not would it be something that could be added? I have been trying to find a Turkish cook book in the UK and had no luck.
Hello is often not the first term to greet someone, it is normally "good morning" or "good afternoon" (formally) I always say hello on the phone at home but at work good morning or good afternoon. If I see friends I might say hi how are you, or long time no see. The more you think about it, really how often do you say "hello"?? What a puzzle
When I was on holiday recently, ... to the young woman who went swimming in a full outfit from hand to feet and with a tight bathing cap on . I noticed her husband, who looked a lot older than her, making sure none of her hair was showing.
They probably weren't Turks.
Really? There was a large group of them together including young children and older family members, and the ladies where not quite so cover head to toe.........
I agree with MrX67, safety comes first. I have read books of true lives both in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and believe me safety is first and clothing is second. The stories of these women and their lives are so controlled by men - I think there is more freedom in the lives of most Turkish women. Difficult subject but an interesting one!
I saw this in our local paper this morning in the UK and the headline immediately makes you think that it is a terrorist act, but then you read down and it tells you that some gas canisters expolded. Seems reasonable as they can be very volatile in heat. Lets hope that is what it was and not anything else.
When I was on holiday recently, we noticed that there are still young women wearing the scarf, but this was in our hotel as if it was a uniform. But on the beach there were Turkish women in various modes of dress from a skimpy bikini and enjoying swimming and messing about with young men, to the young woman who went swimming in a full outfit from hand to feet and with a tight bathing cap on . I noticed her husband, who looked a lot older than her, making sure none of her hair was showing.
It all sounds a bit vigorous for me! But my husband loves massage. Last year in Sardinia he bared all (unintentionally he told me ) and we have been in saunas in Austria where it is a no no to wear anything but a smile! Mixed as well ) So enjoy your hamman........ and smile whatevre, just think they have seen it all before I am sure
I agree with you! This is a very good site with a cross section of people that encourages some excellent discussions. No catty or bitchy messages, like some of the MSN Turkish sites I could mention
I think they have to add the mobile number to their details not the other way round..........if you know someone on MSN get them to try?? Just a thought
I think it is when you put someones mobile number into your contacts. Only supports some countries not all. I think this is right. On MSN messenger go to tools and you can edit your own mobile details and check boxes etc. Not 100% sure but I think that might be a start??
Marriage is very much give and take and depending on who has most energy at the required moment gives most!! Perhaps the energy bit is the physics of marriage? or even the physical of marriage
I was in Oludeniz last week and that was also quiet we are told. Our hotel was only half full although we had a job to get flights!! It is a truly beautiful resort and the people I found very friendly even though they are a bit pushy trying to sell their trips. But that is to be expected when it is quiet.
I think it is bird flu and terrorism that has caused the problem - the Brits have enough disposable income now as the economy is good and the exchange rate is excellent - £1 = 2.8TL
I believe marriage is a game of two halves (whilst the football is on!) with neither half being equal. It all depends on what your particular skill is. My husband does the garden and I look after the house. I look after the bills and money and I disciplined the children most of the time. He worked and I used to stay at home and care for the children. When it came to holidays we chose together. We have our own space, I like a lively night out and he doesn't so much. We give each other respect for our individual beliefs and occasionally break into a spectacular discussion. We have our own views and allow each other those opinions.
As for percentage of responsibility we take 100% responsibility for what we are best at and 50% when we share. But I would say this has varied throughout our marriage as we got to know each other better.
It must be a reasonably good formula as we will have been married for 30 years in October.
Sorry I dont know too much about quantum physics either!
I did some belly dancing whilst on holiday and it was very hard but a lot of fun! so I am going to move to Turkey and become a belly dancer............
To find them you need to go into MSN, people and Groups, groups home, places and travel, Asia, Turkey and there you will see all the groups that have been set up about Turkey.
http://groups.msn.com/browse.msnw?catid=264
Have a look and see what you think - some sites are for members only but others are public although you have to join to post.
I am just bringing this to the atention of the nice people on this site, just to let you all know that there are some horrible people about (unfortunately mostly bitter and twisted women) - if you read some of the drivel on there you will soon get the idea.
with the most beautiful beach in the world! Oludinez is like heaven! I have just spent ONLY one week there and wished I was still there. I am so impressed with the place, I know it is for the tourist, English breakfast with bacon from Tescos! That made us laugh. But it still has much charm and beauty which it will never lose because of the location - surrounded by mountains.
I am here and in one peice! Aching thighs but that is about it. I finished in 1hr 9min which is was quite happy with as I hadn't run this distance for two years! I was pleased to see that there were plenty of people behind me and the slowest one was 2hrs 1 min. The fastest was 29 min.
I came 61st out of 105 in my age group - I am known as a veteran
So I think I have caught the bug now and am going to enter some more and improve my time.
I find it ironic you shall cast the first stones, when you have never been to America. We have 10 million immigrants in our country today, what for? Because were a horrible country, I think not. Unless you have been to the U.S. maybe your watching to much tv.
I have been to America, I have been with my American friends all weekend. I did not say, if you are referring to me, that I say America is a horrible country - I just dont like certain things about it, same as I dont like certain things about the UK and they are physical things - shopping centres, fast food chains, the decline of our regional towns, etc etc not the people.
And that bunch of people who rule my country, can do nothing to persuade me that I should hate a whole nation, for the sins that they or we made in a distant past...
And the opposite is also true! We cannot be made to like a whole nation either.
It worries me how much we depend on the USA (in the UK) and how much we are becoming like Americans - in terms of shopping centres, fast food joints, obesity rising especially in Children, mindless violence (15 year stopped to death outside his school in front of his friends).
I would much prefer we align with Europe.
I personally think this choice business is more to do with what government wants to you like or dislike, not personal choice as that is something I hope you make up your own mind over!
I clicked on the picture (right hand corner) of the Bosphorus Bridge. What an absolutly fantastic photo! I have been victim to one of the queues on the bridge on my way to a wedding - and of course I was late and missed the ceremony!!
I love packing my case to go on holiday
I hate packing to go home!
I love the hot sun on my body
I hate cold rainy days (and there are plenty of them in UK)
I love lying on the beach with the sand in my toes
I hate a beach covered in litter and flotsom
Yes, it is on the left as you approach passport control. If you are like us, we were the ONLY ones in the queue as everyone else didn't know about it and started to go through passport control only to be sent back!! And they have always smiled when they take the crisp tenner and stamp your passport
Dont forget you are their guest!! I would take some chocs from Thorntons (get them specially gift wrapped) for the girls, or some tea from Harrods even a tea towel from your local area! Dont spend too much otherwise they might be embarrased. If you come from Gloucestershire then something from Stow on the Wold or similar - traditional! Enjoy what ever
When it is stated in poetry it is indeed very romantic. What I was trying to say is, love is a very important part of my life, from my sons, my parents, my husband, but love is not the only thing in life - there is self fulfilment and achivement which is just as important.
Marriage - I married at 20 and am still married 29 years later! But that does not mean to say that I have always been happy. Sometime it has bored the pants of me. I went through periods where I was close to having affairs.
I like Sophies philosophy - if only it had worked for me then my whole life might have been so different. I am happy with my life now and other things make up for me when I am not so happy.
No one is ever going to be 100% happy all the time and you cant tell me that you dont have a look around either!
I always say "you dont look at the dead trees in a forest, you look at the young healty ones"
It sounds very passionate! And typical turkish too. I see it as possessive and could not live like that as I need freedom. If someone told me they could not live without me I would run a mile! Someone did once and I finished with him.
It is great to be in love or to love someone - and I think there is a difference. When you first fall in love you are "in love" when after a few years you then "love someone". The difference is the passion you have in the early days which dies off with the years.
But love is also to let the other person have freedom - I dont mean freedom to go with other men or women, I mean freedom to do as they wish without being questioned.
Ambition to me has nothing to do with personal relationships but more to do with what you want out of life - education, position in your job, travel etc etc My ambition was never to be married for the rest of my life to one man, but to be successful with my education and my job. I also have ambition to travel all over the world.
You have to do what you feel is right. Romantic culture in Turkey is very different to romatic culture in England. People dont just have one lover, whom they then marry and stay with for the rest of their lives. They oftern have many lovers, before they marry and then marriage does not always last very long. Divorce in the UK is very high about 1 in 3 I think, but that is not necessarily right, expecially for children from a marriage.
So you must decide yourself whether you are right or wrong in your beliefs. Just be yourself
I am going to Oludeniz in June for one week only! I wish it was for longer. Ibiza is very cheap for us in England unless you go to a very good hotel. So you dont have to be rich! To travel from England to many parts of Europe is very very cheap as we have several low cost airlines. I went to Italy once for £15 and stayed with my son for 10 days - so only cost me food except I hired a car which cost me a fortune!
I think there is another airline opened up into Istanbul which is much cheaper than BA or Turkish Airlines.
Have a good one everybody and us in the UK and Holland need the sun and the warmth to stay alive
I am going to Olu Deniz in June for a holiday. I hope to go paragliding but I have heard (or read) that the safety record is not so good! That people have been killed in the past. Does anyone know if this is true and would you trust paragliding in Turkey?
I'm with Sophie on this one! Too much politeness can be a turn off!! But for me politeness means:
1) Saying please and thankyou
2) Opening the door for you
3) Not swearing or being obnoctious
4) Not forgetting what you drink
5) Commenting on your appearance (in a favourable way of couse!)
6) Not oggling other women when you are out together
7) Not standing with his back to you when in a group of people
In a nutshell for me politeness is just respect for another human being and it works both ways
I’m so sick of this racist place,
Maybe you can tell by the look on my face,
The teachers, the students are all the same,
They’re proud of who they are, where’s the shame?
Everyday I’m living this hell,
I’m not sure if others can tell,
Because I’m different and proud to be,
I’m detested and laughed at; Oh God! Why me?
Maybe I’m just a normal person,
But I don’t deserve this pointless cursin’.
How about finishing it like this?
Under this skin i'm just the same,
so lets end this pointless game
My view on the original post is this. If you are on holiday the natives of that country know you are a tourist and to some extent understand that you do not know their culture. Therefore you might do things that would not normally be accepted, but unwittingly so. Having said that I do believe it is wise to read about the country you are going to and know something of it's culture and religion, especially if you are going to travel alone.
If you go to a country on business then it is your duty to understand what the business culture is in that country. You may not like it but you should observe it.
I travel to China a lot on business and over the years our Suppliers have accepted that they do business with Women and it has become much easier for me to travel without being "gorped" at because I am a woman. The customs have become second nature to me now and I even find my self observing them when I go to a Chinese restaurant in the UK. My friends wonder what the hell I am doing, washing my cup and my chopsticks with green tea before I start to eat with them
Is there anyway of viewing "sent" private messages? I think I might have sent one which has been taken the wrong way. Want to see what I wrote. Can anyone help?
The total eclipse was only in Turkey (I think?), you would have been able to see a partial eclipse in UK had it not been so cloudy! Saw the one in the UK a few years back, eveyone stopped work and went outside - it was fantastic! Amazing how it confuses the birds and they think it is night time then suddenly daytime again!
Which is the best useful model of Nokia cell phone?
I have a 6111 - but that is a girly phone!! My other one was better, 7260 - a really smart black and red with silver numbers! My ring tone is Twister Nerve from Kill Bill, just in case anyone is interested
But arent different versions available in different countries?
Couldn't persuade anyone then?? Apparently 60% of the people who live in Norwich, England are registered on Ebay - hows that for a bit of useless information? And Norwich is in the countryside with lots of potential for Landys to cruise the greenlanes .....................
My neigbour has one and he has done Africa in his - has a snorkel and the works - flood lights, fridge, air conditioning (when it worked) and an automatic tow rope thingy to get you out of sticky situations when on your own, big tent on top and even rigged up a shower!!
Libralady, I’m sure it wasn’t told you by some old Anatolian man. If you have beautiful eyes, it is normal to be noticed and complimented. But we don’t talk about flattering here, but superstition.
My apologies - justing pointing out my slight confusion with the superstition. :-S
Is your phone a triband phone? This means it can be used in USA, Europe and Asia. In the UK you have to get your bar lifted before you can use your phone abroad, which is simple. Just call the network provider. Dont know about Turkish phones tho'. My Turkish friends uses an English phone when he comes here.
Is there an easy way to remember the structure of sentances in Turkish? I have posted this somewhere and now I can't find it - so sorry for repeating myself!!
I am slightly confused about the blue eye theory as I have blue eyes, albeit they are very dark (not bright blue). I was told by a Turkish man that I had the most beautiful eyes he had ever seen and that they would bring him luck. I have had people in Turkish restaurant comment on my eyes too!!
Well I do agree Boop, but surely here we were not talking about ALL MEN - only resort workers.
I agree, some girls can be blamed but, really, you only have to read some of the translations here to realise that these girls really believe these boys and are taken in by them? They mean seem cheap or easy - but most of these girls believe these boys when they start talking of marriage. English guys (GENERALLY!!!) are not so romantic and demonstrative, so these beautiful Turkish men seem like a dream come true to these girls!
Also, is it not important to stress the point that these resort workers are not typical of all Turkish men? Or, do we ALWAYS have to be politically correct on this site at the expense of truth?
What you say is very true. I am not for one minute suggesting that all men are the same or for that matter all women from the UK. I have not time for political correctness but then that is another story
We have these womens magazines and the tabloids that regularly feature stories about women going to Turkey ( and it is always Turkey!!) who pick a young fella. Most women will be flattered by some attention from a handsome your man, serving you drinks etc. But I am talking about woman who should know better, woman in their 40's, 50's and even 60's going with young men in their 20's.
My point here is that there is enough exposure for woman to be on their guard and they choose not to be and still end up wounded - mostly their pride and their purses!!
I think Erdinc's reply should be posted on the MSN site English Girlfriends of Turkish men! In their eye's anyone who acts in the way you suggest - ask for money, phones etc are rats. Perhaps a little deeper understanding of Turkish men from rural areas and their culture would not go amiss for some of these ladies. Can anyone blame them for living this way when so many English women go to Turkey on holiday and "lay it on a plate" so to speak.
That was sooo interesting - and really not SO different from family life in UK surely, Libralady?
What I meant was, we dont put so much emphasis on this type of family socialising the way the Turks do. Maybe it is just me, we dont have a very large famliy and there has been some fall outs too (which dont help!)
I eat with my immediate family everyday - for dinner and never in front of the TV!!
Very interesting - I am deparately trying to find similarities in the UK. But I am afraid the likes of McDonalds have detroyed much of this type of socialising for families and divorce is another contributor.
It is quite usual for friends to dine at other friends houses at a weekend, and you would normally take some flowers and some wine.
At holiday times, such as Easter but more at Christmas, you have family round for dinner which is normally a big Turkey with vegetables, roast potatoes, and christmas pudding with custard or cream.
We see picknicks more for families with small children and a limited budget or for a romatic day in the woods or at the beach for a couple - not so traditional these days.
We (me personally that is) also take our shoes off when entering a house because of the dirt that they carry (except we dont leave them outside - normally in the hall). It is only polite to do so, nothing to do with religion or tradidtion in the UK tho'. I have a huge pile of shoes in my hallway which we call "Shoe City". In our house we wear slippers - just look at some of the wayout slippers you can buy in the UK!! So we are not so different are we?
Could be anyone of those. They are generous though. If you have been invited then you are their guest and yes they do pay - but not everything, meals and nights out that sort of thing.
How can I forget,
Papillon - my two most favourite actors of all time and I read the book countless times, so that then leads me to the Great Escape!! Steve McQueen - YUM YUM
And I forgot, Cold Mountain which I thought was a beautiful love story ......... Oh then there is Witness with Harrison Ford again - Best stop here I think.......
Midnight Cowboy is mine all time favourite with Rain Man a close second. I am a Dustin Hoffman fan. Others are Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and more recently, Minority Report and the one with Harrison Ford in he plays a Doctor who gets blamed for something he didn't do. Also the new Alfie - sexy Jude Law sways that one!!
On the whole I find many new films a complete load of ol' horse***t
Oh I forgot - One Flew Over the Cukoo's nest - a classic ..................
It is very difficult to comment on any particular race's personality. Everyone is different and what one might agree with another will not. One woman might be controlling and coniving another might be submissive. What you are after really is nothing to do with general personality traits but more to do with the fact someone swipped your boyrfiend and you are looking for a way to get him back?? Forgive me if I am wrong, but that is the way it reads to me.
How do Turkish people ask marriage proposal then? I am interested to know. Do they always love on another or is the marriage just for convienience? Are they always sure they do the right thing? How easy is divorce if things go wrong?
Lots of questions I know but I would like to understand too!!
All I wanted to know was do you Turks go get pissed up the night before you get married - last night of freedom, that sort of thing........... You got no answer??
You basically have to ask someone to marry you, preferably someone you know, love and get on with and you have known them for a little time. To seal that proposal the man would buy a ring of gold and diamonds or some other precious stone and give it to the girl. Sometimes he will ask the father for the girls hand. This is the old fashioned English way.
Now days, the girl get pregnant and they get married (perhaps) then after a time they get fed up with each other and one leaves the other and they get a divorce. They then argue over the child - is it really mine he says? Have a test to prove or disprove - he might pay some kind of maintenance by which time she is pregant again by some else....................... This is the new English way (May I say this is NOT TYPICAL but it is not far off)
As an old hand, sometime you just have to learn to give up and let go otherwise you will just go on hurting. There are plenty more fish in the sea (I know your mother tells you that too!!) and some of those fish are far better looking,much more sexy......................
u know bird flue...so these days nobody does dis...hehehehehehhe
no hen no duck no dove...birdless life....
You really are a comedien -psml NOT
By the way a "flue" is something that lets out the fumes from a gas or coal fire in your house ( bit like a chimney).
libra...i like joking but have no intention to be a comedian or sth like dis.....sorry....why dont u try dis???
I joke just the same as everyone but I dont think Bird Flu is a joking matter when your country men are losing their children to it. If you like a joke then I can send you some via PM - too rude to put on here, let me know!!
Since no one really answered the question, here goes. It does depend upon tradition but woman often have what is generally called henna night. (Though my wife didn't much to her family's disappointment.) This is an all female affair where the bride's female friends and relatives sing to her and try to make her cry. They want to make her cry because she should be sad that she is leaving her family. The bride and guests mark the palm of their hands with henna. This is the general info I have and I have no idea what the men do. If you are really interested let me know and I will assign as a homework essay to my students and we can see what we get. (I'm an English teacher in Istanbul.)
thank you for your kind offer. I am going to a wedding in three weeks and wonder whether I will be invited to the "Hen Night" if there was such a thing and what to expect. Equally whether my husband would be invited to a "stag night". If you can find out then that would be great. Send me a PM if you go ahead!
nowadays we all know ,the world talking about that..wad do u think about dis?
wads freedom in expressing urself??wads statement expression.how should it be?..i wana learn ur ideas..
Freedom of speech is all very well as long as you do not impinge on the freedom of others. This seems to be happening a lot these days. One persons freedom is being affected by someones elses freedom.
This could be in war, journalism, street murders, etc etc, so where is your freedom if you are taken hostage, your freedom has been taken away. Who has the right to say what is one mans freedom and another mans jail.
You are only ever as free as your government allows unlessyou flought the rules and laws of that government (or unless you are that government!! then it is do as I say not do as I do!)
I live in the UK and I am relatively free to do as I please, but my freedom is threatened by terrorism as is many others freedom. Now who caused that freedom to be put into jeorpardy? I will leave it there cos it is too political as is freedom.
You can certainly have both! I enjoy my career and with out it I would be a bore. I need the mental stimulation much the same as I need sex Then after all that I need physical exercise - it all keeps the body and mind healthy and keeps the forthcoming years at bay What I am saying is that you need to fulfilling life to give love and receive love otherwise life becomes a chore
Can I just say that 20 years ago is not that long - unless of course you are only in your 20's!! . Gay's have been around alot longer than that. It has only beome a more recently open due to the law against being gay becoming obsolete (UK I am talking about).
I would quess that homosexulality has been around since time began otherwise why would it be ostracised in scriptures??
Further to the apologies for ignorant English and there are many of them!! Class and age does not divide!
In reply to one message - a lot of older women do not wash their hands after the toilet - I have been witness to this recently on a weekend at what could only be described an "old peoples camp" so the Turkish lady was in fact right to make that observation in a sense
Also the American thing. I was asked if I knew Aunty Betty in Cambridge and did I go to Stone Henge for the day after I told them I lived about 400 miles away.
Bonjour - French
Bonjourno - Italian
Güten Morgan - German
Buenos Dias - Spanish
Like the Chinese ones - the on of only two words I can speak in Chinese (Ni How) and Thankyou - (shi shi) oh I forgot (champay) like bottoms up, cheers, with a drink, you finish it in on go.
Thanks to you all for your replies. I am really looking forward to going to the wedding in Istanbul in about 6 weeks time. I will try and be elegant!! My dress is a lovely chocolate brown silk with net fabric and some very decorative beading around the midriff.
I have been invited to attend a Turkish wedding in Istanbul. It will be held in a "ballroom" type room (this is how it was explain to me!) and then the reception will be in a restaurant.
I need some advice on gifts, cards and mode of dress (I am female) Would a dress that shows my arms be appropriate (they are not particularly religious) and a suit for my husband? I could soon wear a shaul over my shoulders to start with.
Reading all of the above and considering your points, age should not matter that much. I think in England it becomes a big issue. The Turkish guy I met who found me attractive is 14 years younger than me. I asked him if it was a problem and he said that age does not matter. That was all I needed to hear!
The Turks I know too are very proud of the Ottaman emprire - and went to great lengths the first time we met to tell me all about it. And when you are slightly drunk at the time it all makes so much sense!!