My feeling is whatever wrong a human being has done we do not have the right to kill him or her.

Wether the death of saddam will help the Iraqui people- I do not think so- the withdrawal of the occupying forces - and of Israel from Palestinian lands may be a starting point

Good grief- well Bod I'd love to go Istanbul in February but having to wait until May to go to Olu Deniz- maybe Istanbul in Autumn 2007!!!

I will travel to Turkey still.The whole bird flu thing is being hyped out of all proportion just as Sars was-to create a lot of fear in people.

London is not the Centre of the Universe Waseem-I suggest York or Manchester!!!!

I think oience last post was very useful-it is true we need to develop empathy as individuals and I liked what you say about empathy as a world. I think I said before that I have been reading alot about NVC (non-violent communication) .It puts a lot of emphasis on interpersonal things like empathy. It is helping me a lot in personal and working relationships. They have a website if people are interesed.

Ah Cyrano I understand it.

It confused me as Roxanne is a very popular girls name -as in "Roxanne" the song by Police.

I think not everybody has the same experience even of being gay. It is not something to "find a cure for". I have perhaps six friends (I cannot be bothered to count) who are gay, happy with who they are and one of them does have a child who he fathered for a lebian couple we know.

I am not sure about the chromosome thing. I do not trust research and science it has been used for social control purposes so many times. Even if it were true scietifically it does not change that being gay is just another aspect of the rich tapestry of being human. Is someone with Downs syndrome any less human because they hav a difference in their chromosones-I think not myself.

-I go to sleep now-sweet dreams Sui baby!!

a lover Sui - a lover!!!

Well there might be a lot of skirtwearing and bumming going on!!! (joke)

Its getting late after all!!

Roxanne is a he ??

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I had two before the funniest thig is when they won't start and they actually have a cranking handle.I used it many times!!
But the best advice is to park on a hill!!

I have a VW Polo very old and very red.

I would like a 2CV - the cutest car ever and it runs on fresh air!!

You surprise me boddy- how eco friendly is a discovery!!

I have three cats and four kittens!!!!

No Bod my observations so far tell me Sui is an ok person. But it pi**es me off that people think if a person is gay they gonna be touching up anything that moves!

All felines like their fur stroked every now and then!

Why do you think a gay person would be so keen to touch you!

You should be so lucky Sui

book a room!!!!

Roxanne is your girlfriend Cyrano? I think from the dialect she is Yorkshire. Southern girls don't say "owt" and "nowt"

be careful bod-the lioness might bite off your head!!!!

owt is Yorkshire dialect

owt =anything
nowt = nothing

London it too far for me at this time of year-If your meetup is a success and you have another one in the Springtime then maybe i will have a weekend in London.

There is a new Turkish resteraunt in York I am told-it may be a good place for a Northern rendezvous.

I am going over Xmas to check out the menu and ambience so I will post report afterwards.

Well sometimes we're attracted to the guy just because he's HOT!!!!!!

It is fine Miss C- I want to reply to you I have sent a PM to you.

I will answer this in a PM-the discussion is perhaps getting very heavy and I'm not sure how people feel about that.

but Kirsty some people do meet that way

I love how you put your points across Lyndie.I enjoy reading your posts.

I think control and domination is not just a Turkish "man thing" my Mother was regularly beaten, raped and humiliated by my Father. Woken up when he came home from the pub and made to get up and cook for him and his man friends.We ran awy in the middle of the night and he recently died a lonely old man!

This is 2005 nearly 2006- women should not have to put up with such treatment- in the UK, in Turkey, in Eygpt in any place or country.

teşekkürler

I think she should not boast about what the States are in control off many of us do not like the extent of US dominance -it is to be ashamed of I think

no no Cyrano the goose does not equal idiots - it is just a reference to gender so what is good for a man is good for a woman and vice versa

Well she needs to kick that one right out of bed- baths once a week he'd be sleeping in the garden shed if he was mine!!!
They have to at least smell nice even if they're not too good in bed (they can always be taught a thing or two in that department he he he)

All the laydees who're independent hold your hands up at me!!! Listen to Beyonce and Destiny's child-they know where its at!!

Laydeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees - they are always ideal in the first six months or so- some can keep it up for a year or two. The key for us is to know that we can move on when its no longer good for us just as easily as they do.

Well Miss C-I'm a woman who likes to be on top--in more ways than one!!

Can someone tell me how to do the quote thing-is it by cutting and pasting!

Bravo Catwoman I refer you to my posts in Turkish men and attitudes to women.

the saying "what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" comes to mind !!

Can someone translate into Turkish that phrase-I am a beginner !!

Your teacher is not quite right.

You could easily say about myself for example:

Amanda is from England, infact she is from Leeds.
or
Amanda is from England, actually she is from Leeds.
both are acceptable uses.

Oh - that would be no good for me-I like my man to cook and clean and sometimes I like to go out with my girlfriends and get very drunk and then come home late and demand that he wake up and satisfy my needs!!

This would not go down well with the Turkish male then????

Well done L I was thinking to reply to this one but I couldn't work out what the difference was as they are interchangable. You explained it perfectly!

Of course every life needs balance.
When I am with my children I am with them totally and everything I do is for them.
When I am at work I am completely absorbed in a job I love.
If I am with friends I am there with them completely.
If I am with a lover I am there with abandon.

Everything is important work, home, play, study I wouldn't want to give up anything!! Why should I just because I am female

How boring !!!
I have four children sometimes seven but I still need to party otherwise life would be just waiting for children to grow up and then waiting to die!!

I am trying to get it together to come to Turkiye for the Solar Eclipse. I have found one tour with "Fez Bus" but it is a seven day tour so with a stopover night in Istanbul at each end of the tour it will be nine days and I am looking to spend less time as I want two weeks in Olu Deniz in eraly Summer.
Does anybody know of any guided tours that last maybe three days so I can spend five days in Turkiye-two nights in Istanbul and two nights at a good spot for Eclipse watching!

Why Miss C he is already a slaphead???

i know !!
Less hair usually

Difference between a girla t 17 and a woman at 37 ramayan??
Well twenty years a whole lot of experience, learning and common sense.

Difference between a boy of 17 and a boy of 37 well erm...let me think now.....erm.......well this may take some time..........

Sack the toilet seat I'll have Ben Affleck thankyou very much!!

Well I just came back from doing a Christmas assembly at a nearby primary school - the children all brought gifts for me to take back for the children i work with at a Centre for disadvantaged children. They sang a hymn "This little light of mine, I'm going to let it shine" and they all laughed at the assembly I prepared for them. So I'mn feeling happy - all warm inside because children give out so much energy wherever in the world they are-they made my day today!!!!

My answer will be easy to guess- olu deniz,oludeniz, oludeniz !!!!!!!

I hate shopping so much- my daughter tells me I'm not a "natural" woman. Winter-cozy nights in front of a blazing fire, mulled red wine, lovely smell of pine from the Christmas tree, being the first to get your footprints in newly fallen snow, hot chocolate with a drop of brandy11
It has lots of lovely things about it!!!

I agree with Miss C - I also cannot bring myself to eat fish. The acupressure thing works well with me but also I find it helpful to sit very quiet with some calming music and go into a meditative state and then to imagine a healing white energy coming down through the crown chakra and slowly follow it in my minds eye through my body, along my bones, my muscles into each of the chakras healing and energising. This done on a regular basis keeps energy levels high and illnessess away!

Oh and for those who like it is ggod to focus on kundalini energy-lower chakra where sexual energy is strong!!

Oh I thought maybe you were swearıng at Ramayan and my curıosıty got the better of me!

mıss ceyda I am followıng thıs thread but my Turkısh ıs begınners*can you repeat ın Englısh babe!

Ok. I am a Reiki practitioner and as well as using Reiki for healing it can be used to send positive energy to situations so every moment I remember I will send Reiki to you and your friend!

I saw Ayvalik on a website-it looks ver beautiful has anybody spent anytime there? Can you tell me about it
Is there many tourists
What is the climate at different times of the year
Is it worth me forgoing one of my trips to oludeniz next year to try this place?

I never wanted to go abroad for my holidays-I always liked to explore the places in the UK that are beautiful-Cornwall, Welsh mountains, Scottish Highlands etc. Then after much nagging from my teenage daughter I asked in a local travel agents for reccomendations of a place abroad where there is natural beauty. I wanted no McDonalds or Burger King, no English bars and fish and chip shops and no tacky amusement parks. He stated that he thought oludeniz would be just what I was looking for. So with trepidation in May 2002 I boarded the plane to Dalaman with my children and indeed oludeniz was incredibly beautiful. We loved it so much that we cried all the way back to the airport and when I got home I immediately booked for September 2002. I have been now six times in four years.The place is beautiful the people are respectful and friendly and it has been very safe for my teenage children as once people got to know us they would look out for my children and if any man was hazzling my girls the guys we have become friendly with sent them packing.
We have been invited to sit and eat with the families who run the shops in the resorts and treated so well-Turkish hospitality !!!
I am waiting now for Spring 2006 to get back there!

I see so is it that the military service is compulsory for males but optional for females.

I would like to know if women do military service in Turkey.I never heard of it but wondered about it.

I would like to know Admin if the moderators and admin are viewing peoples private messages-if so they are not "private" are they and people should be made aware of that.

I will try to write something in Turkish!
anlamiyorum

I studied world religions as part of my degree and like to have discussions with people about their beliefs and practices. I have a lot of respect for Islam and increasingly think I may study more in depth and perhaps convert. It is actually a very peaceful and respectful religion and really too many people in the West misunderstand Islam it is good to discuss things so people can be educated.

I don't know-I am new to this Website so I do not know how it works if it is possible to change the decisions.I just feel it is a rather over the top reaction to what was clearly a very heated debate Konat.

I understand that Attila but I ask you are we adults or small children that we cannot have such a discussion.

It gets boring just reading all the women talking about their Turkish darlings etc!!

i just wanted to express that i feel sad that you feel the need to impose a rule that no discussion is allowed about politics and religion.

I have a great interest in both these subjects and it is a shame that they cannot be discussed in a respectful way so that people can share knowledge and opinion without becoming aggressive and offensive.

I agree with everybody-you have only one life and you deserve to be happy as does your baby. It would be different if your husband was being a good man to you then maybe you would have something to feel guilty about but he is treating you badly so does not deserve you. My Father was an abusive man-I won't give all the details but for ayear my Mother secretly saved money and when she had enough she waited until he went to the pub one night and then quietly took myself and my brother and travelled overnight to get away. Take control of your life if you start planning now you could have the chance of a life filled with love and joy-instead of tears and pain.

Your darling in Turkey sounds a good man- sit very still for long time listen to your heart and it will tell you what you should do!!!

If this man di really love you he would work hard-extra hours extra jobs to get the money to come see you. I think you are lonely and vulnerable at present time. Enjoy chatting with these guys but take time to get to know him better and if he is angsy towards you when you will not send the money then I do not thing he can be a good person.

Is it just basic possessiveness-ownership.
Or maybe -I have seen the way some European girls behave in Turkey-maybe it is beleived we all are capable of such behaviour