You might have met lots of women, but another thing is whether you learned anything from those meetings or not!
Actually...by your writing, patience, you show the opposite - that you don´t know enough about women!

Maybe he knows about womans how he needed to know about them... so he doesnt want to know about them more huh?...

Why not? I agree with patience in what he said: women like to be protected, under the men's wings and like strong men.
Being protected and accepting his protection isn't something bad or something that makes you smaller.
Why don't you admit it to yourself and instead why do you pretend to feel and show that you're very strong without your men? I think it will hurt you more. Needing someone isn't something to be ashamed of, we're to complete each other. And men like to take your affection in return.
I can't respect a man if he cannot protect and own me. (don't misunderstand that here owning is like owning an object)

very brave...good for you mltm that you aware of the law of humanbeing nature... hmmm this reminded me the novel White Fang...

Well most women like their men to be strong, but strength can be shown in many different ways.

It is a strong man who can take the time to understand his girls feelings, it is a strong man who can put himself in someone else's shoes and see life from their eyes.
It is a strong man who can ask himself. How would i feel if I were that person?

Of course you want your man to protect you and take you under his wing (actually I rather like that expression), but taking someone under their wing doesn't mean you now 'own' them, like a car or a dog! People should be together because they want to be in the same place as their partner always. No one should be with someone because they 'have' to or just because they are married to them.

Patience, will you stay out all night with your friends, drinking and talking and then come home when you want. Wake up your woman to feed you and satisfy you? Will she get up to you because she wants to or because she has to? Do you care whether she wants to or only that she gets out of bed for you?

Will she make your food with love, or will she make it as a duty? Which will you choose? Which will taste better in your mouth?

Will she do all her wife duties with love and passion or will she just be a robot with no feelings. Will she look at the ceiling in your room and think that it needs painting or will she look into your eyes and love you? Which will feel better for you?

I think you might have known a lot of women canim, but did you really KNOW them? I don't think so....

i have heard so many turkish boys say that they don't like turkish girls because all they want is their money, well maybe this is because that is the only good they can get from their husbands.

Their is a great turkish idiom...
" aclik kapidan girince, ask bacadan kacarmis" translates as " when hunger comes through the door, love leaves through the chimmey. Well maybe real love was never in the house in the first place, and when the caveman doesn't come home with the buffalow, then cavewoman will go looking for someone who does!


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Yes, in countries where women are oppressed, they start to understand and accept that. 94% of women in Egypt unerstand (and agree) why their husbands beat them. If you brainwashed the woman that the men is strong and she is weak, then she'll subconsciously look for an overprotective, jealous caveman. I suggest that Mr caveman looks deeper then at the looks of the girls he meets in the clubs or in the villages. Maybe it's his ego that needs to feel that he is so strong and powerful that is looking for weak, naive girls and he thinks that all the girls are like that.

and of course Somalian men believe absolutely that it is their right to impose circumscision on their women to keep them faithful, and even worse. the mothers also sooooo believe this is the right thing to do, that they impose this on their daughters and so it goes on and on .....

I think the problem is everyone sees weakness and strength from different views.
When I talk about strength, it's definitely not using your physical power on the women by beating her. I'm against abuse. Or the strength of men I talk is not something like treating her like a dog or slave, giving her orders, preventing her from working or seeing her friends.

But there're always limits in romantic relations, and the roles are different. I can't demand for unlimited freedom, I should know if something disturbs him and I should respect his disturbance and try not to do it even if I would like to do it. But it's the same for him also, it doesn't mean that he should look at other women and come home late or something. It's mutual sacrificies. For me a man should feel disturbed and should not let her go to a bar or disco on her own, if he doesn't feel any disturbance, it disturbs me. Because there's a very obvious fact that there're a lot of men in those kind of places that annoy you. But if it's a very special day, there can be an exception.

If he doesn't feel any jealousy, it frustrates me actually. I should see my man ready to fight for me. Why do women like muscled men, because it means that he can protect you, this comes from your insincts. You cannot deny the nature, the testesteron or ostrogene, hormones rule our lives. A woman always desires for a good father for her potential children, and security is the most important thing for that, and security requires power, so women look for power in men.

I love how you put your points across Lyndie.I enjoy reading your posts.

I think control and domination is not just a Turkish "man thing" my Mother was regularly beaten, raped and humiliated by my Father. Woken up when he came home from the pub and made to get up and cook for him and his man friends.We ran awy in the middle of the night and he recently died a lonely old man!

This is 2005 nearly 2006- women should not have to put up with such treatment- in the UK, in Turkey, in Eygpt in any place or country.