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Why should Turkey restrain from entering Irak?
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 03:52 pm |
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What does an economy sanctions mean for you? Can they control not apply that on innocent people or they are considering all who live in North of Iraq are PKK supporters?!
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 03:55 pm |
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OUESTION
Why do Turks seem to hate Kurds?
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This is a stupid question. Equivalent to "Why do Americans hate blacks?". Turkia's problem is with PKK, not Kurds. As events become clearer, we shall see that PKK is not only Kurds.
QUESTION
Why the Kurds who are also Turkish citizens and who hold a seat in Turkish Parliment, do not openly denounce PKK as a terror group?
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You certainly got me on that question ! 
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 03:57 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: OUESTION
Why do Turks seem to hate Kurds?
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This is a stupid question. Equivalent to "Why do Americans hate blacks?". Turkia's problem is with PKK, not Kurds.
QUESTION
Why the Kurds who are also Turkish citizens and who hold a seat in Turkish Parliment, do not openly denounce PKK as a terror group?
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You certainly got me on that question ! |
I told you he would answer 
Unfortunately, like most Turkish members here, he only answers a question with more questions!
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 04:03 pm |
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Then let's be clear and more open...
We are against war and killing.
Then kurds in north of Iraq fought sholder to sholder with Turkey Army against PKK in 1993 and 1996 and also 1998!
Many Kurdish families in Iraq suffered from what PKK did for their teenager when some PKK members were cheating them and made them to join that group.
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 04:10 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Why the Kurds who are also Turkish citizens and who hold a seat in Turkish Parliment, do not openly denounce PKK as a terror group? |
My mothers cousin was killed in an IRA bomb attack. Many USA politicians at the time would not openly denounce the IRA as a terrorist group for fear of losing the Irish vote. Many Irish Americans sent the IRA more money. Many IRA terrorists are still being given sanctury in the USA.
This does not make me hate Northern Irish people or American Irish people. It makes me hate extremists and terrorists.
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 04:21 pm |
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Quoting Serdar07: What does an economy sanctions mean for you? Can they control not apply that on innocent people or they are considering all who live in North of Iraq are PKK supporters?! |
I hope they dont apply it strictly. it is worse than turkish army entering the region.
It looks like, you -northen iraqi kurds-,again , got caught in the middle. Not between pkk and turkey though, turkey and usa.
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 04:32 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: OUESTION
Why do Turks seem to hate Kurds?
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This is a stupid question. Equivalent to "Why do Americans hate blacks?". Turkia's problem is with PKK, not Kurds.
QUESTION
Why the Kurds who are also Turkish citizens and who hold a seat in Turkish Parliment, do not openly denounce PKK as a terror group?
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You certainly got me on that question ! |
your question prompted me to another question
why Turkey in recent negotiations objected to the presence of officials from Iraq's Kurds?
Do turkey think that iraqi kurd supporting PKK??
of course no, but there is a fact , When Saddam was removed from government , the Kurds became racists and showed hostility to our friends Turkmen in Iraq Perhaps this reaction because they suffered from the scourge of Saddam, but also Turkmens have been persecuted by Saddam, i think this fact infuriate my friends Kurds, but that not mean Iraqi kurds supporting PKK
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 04:43 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III:
The US were quite happy with Saddam's killings for years - in fact they PUT HIM THERE! How many innocent people have been killed since the US and UK went to Iraq? Do you know?
And, strangely enough, I seem to remember that Bush's reason for being in Iraq was originally because of their "weapons of mass distruction" NOT because of Saddam's killings! Incidently, whatever DID happen to those weapons? Did they suddenly just disappear into a puff of smoke?  
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 AEnigma, i think only you , who understand it well
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 05:10 pm |
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Quoting elham: Quoting AEnigma III:
The US were quite happy with Saddam's killings for years - in fact they PUT HIM THERE! How many innocent people have been killed since the US and UK went to Iraq? Do you know?
And, strangely enough, I seem to remember that Bush's reason for being in Iraq was originally because of their "weapons of mass distruction" NOT because of Saddam's killings! Incidently, whatever DID happen to those weapons? Did they suddenly just disappear into a puff of smoke?
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AEnigma, i think only you , who understand it well |
Just waiting for Catwoman to come online and tell me again that I am being anti-American, anti-Teaschip, unpatriotic and unsupportive of my own country ...
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 05:34 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting teaschip1:
I agree we shouldn't be in Iraq, we should have just sat back and let Saddam continue to kill thousands of innocent people. While their neighboring countries did absolutely NOTHING. |
Teaship this is utter crap, and you know it! The US were quite happy with Saddam's killings for years - in fact they PUT HIM THERE! How many innocent people have been killed since the US and UK went to Iraq? Do you know?
And, strangely enough, I seem to remember that Bush's reason for being in Iraq was originally because of their "weapons of mass distruction" NOT because of Saddam's killings! Incidently, whatever DID happen to those weapons? Did they suddenly just disappear into a puff of smoke?
Quoting teaschip1: As far as Israel goes, let palestine and Hizbullah continue to bomb eachother. Before long we won't have to worry about anything in the Middle East, there won't be anyone left. |
This is so ignorant. This problem is AGAIN caused by the US and the Allies. The continuing problem in Israel is now caused by American citizens who fund Israelis millions of pounds to build townships further and further into Palestinian territory. These "kind" citizens (mostly religious groups/churches (of all donominations)who are brainwashed into thinking they are doing a good thing) also funded the IRA terrorists and paid for their bombs in the UK. When former President Carter tries to speak out about this, he receives death threats from these "kind citizens"
Quoting teaschip1:
Yet, most Americans I know still give money to help the unfortunate in other countries. I believe we have one of the biggest hearts in the world. So don't think you can play that card with me. |
Again, this is utter crap! You dont have the BIGGEST heart - just one of the BIGGEST COUNTRIES! I don't have figures for all charities, but I do know that PER HEAD, the UK citizens gave double the money that American citizens gave to victims of the tsunami. Maybe the US citizens were too busy giving money to fund terrorism or building work to cause more conflict in Palastine?
With regard to foreign aid, please remember that the US is the richest country in the world. You think foreign aid is about being kind hearted? You are naive, MONEY is POWER Teaschip. |
In 2006 alone 200 Iraqi civilians were killed by American bombs and weapons. In 2006, 16,000 Iraqi civilians were killed by Islamic terrorists. Where is the problem, I ask?
Even this statistic is highly exaggerated, since the enemy there is not known to fight in uniform. In all probability, the immense effort of coalition forces to avoid civilian casualties was quite successful and the true number is between 2,000 and 3,000, perhaps lower.
The ridiculous figure of 650,000 was published by the same people who lumped victims of terror together with casualties of war to come up with the claim that 100,000 had been killed.
George W. Bush never claimed to have been to Iraq. Rather, both he and Tony Blair deferred to intelligence reports and, at the same time, complained that their sources were limited by the fact that Saddam would not allow inspections under the agreements that ended the Gulf War; nor would he respect numerous UN mandates to allow unrestricted monitoring.
Though rare, there are some in the world who allege that Bush knew the reports were wrong (in some mysterious fashion), but went to war under false pretenses anyway. This would certainly qualify as a lie, but it also defies common sense and probably speaks to the ignorance, delusion, or dishonesty of the person making such an assertion.
For obvious reasons, first-term American Presidents do not send troops into combat with a primary justification that they know will be proven false before the next election. Neither do second-term Presidents for that matter, since the fallout would have devastating consequences for their political party, to say nothing of personal conscience.
Ironically, those most critical of America over the relative absence of WMDs also happen to have been the most sympathetic toward Saddam?s manipulative shell games that made the war necessary in the first place. Their shallow and unbalanced moralizing gave the dictator confidence that the American President would never follow through with his threats to hold his government accountable under the WMD inspections agreements that it signed. Saddam never believed that he would wind up in a spider hole or in a hangman's noose.
Had the world united against Saddam Hussein and required that he honor international law, then the war would never have happened and the good people of Iraq would still be living under his sublime and gentle hand.
Anti-war activists often pretend that the killing in Iraq began the moment American bombs started falling, and will end the minute coalition troops leave the country, but mass graves uncovered from the Saddam era, and present-day terror attacks against ordinary Iraqis are clear indicators of the odd mixture of insincerity and ignorance that characterizes the peace movement.
In fact, true sympathy for the Iraqi people would have to run pretty thin among those pressing for the premature removal of peacekeeping forces. Leaving innocent people exposed and vulnerable to the forces of terror or a bloody civil war hardly qualifies as a humane gesture. Neither did these activists appear visibly moved by the plight of more than 300,000 - 600,000 missing and murdered Iraqis under the Baathist regime.
Foreign aid crap? Take a look at the numbers then.
US 22,739 million
UK 12,607 million
Japan 11,608 million
France 10,448 million
Germany 12,351 million
So, please don't tell me this is all crap!
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27 Oct 2007 Sat 05:39 pm |
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I am not going to argue today because it is LOVE DAY ! However, I cannot agree with any of your statements Teaschip.
With regard to foreign aid. I didn't say it was crap. I said your comments about the USA being "kind hearted" were crap! Foreign aid is not about being kind hearted - it is not PERSONALLY donated by citizens of that country. You cannot deny that foreign aid is used as a tool. The USA rarely gives it without "conditions" to their advantage. Please check what I say next time you "google".
Incidently, when you compare the population of the UK compared to the USA, I would say that the USA are definitely not giving enough foreign aid!!!!!
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