It is very unfortunate that totally innocent civilians suffer in a fight with terrorists. This is the nature of terrorizm where terrorists cohabit with civilians: it sometimes becomes hard to make a clear distinction between the two. Turkish Army, if they are bombing at all, aim at very specific targets. Even Serdaro knows KANDIL MOUNTAIN houses the terrorists, and that is where the shells fall.

No terrorist group can forever hide under skirts of innocent civilians and hope to survive.

What is unfortunate is while everybody knows where the terrorist are, after scores of bombings in Turkey killing many civilians, and after Turkia declares that- in the absence of cooperation fron USA or Iraqi Government - a unilateral solution will be found to destroy the terrorists, at whatever the cost...no local authorities, neither Iraqi government nor the local bandits, appear interested to cooperate in solutions that woukd endanger less civilian lives. THAT SOLUTION CAN NOT BE "LET TERRORISTS LIVE", PKK has to go...

People here in this group can perhaps now understand why the Ottoman Empire had to force the non-terrorist Armenian citizens to leave the problem area, when rebel Armenians donned French Army uniforms/weapons and took to mountains, against their own country.

I have read this thread with great interest but its getting a little deep now for me to follow lol.

However, i will try and word this question in a way not to offend or insult anyone. Please write and tell me, if it has in any way.

Here in England, some people not all might i had, see Muslims or should i say asian people as Terrorists. This is down to lack of education about the Asian community here and peoples ignorance too

Do the Kurdish community have the same problem because of the organisations causing problems.

my question is: will turkey end the problem with pkk if it enters iraq today?
is pkk only in iraq?
what about other neighbouring countries where pkk hides?
if entering iraq solves the problem for now and ever, and pkk will disappear for ever then why not?

I hope that PKK problem will find its solution soon

We have been discussing this in other Turkish forums as well. It is a very hot topic. And, somehow, it always ends up somebody is accusing others as traitors.

First of all some facts :

-We have around 15 million kurds in Turkey.

-Their social economical conditions are pretty bad comparing to what we have in rest of Turkey. (GDP 500$ to 7.000-8.000$ in avg)

-The recent conflict started earlier around first part of 1980s (Military times! in Turkey) because of military regime was extra harsh on Kurds changing the village names, forcing the Turkish names etc. (They were harsh everywhere but specially in the southeast they really showed their teeth)

-First reaction of the military for the rebels was 'they are handful terrorists.we will finish them'

-was it finished? NO

-Later on officials tried to describe kurds by saying that 'there is no ethnic group in Turkey called Kurds. They are mountain Turks'. It was a quite pathetic description!

-Harsh approach continued towards the mountain Turks. The theme was same as today. 'There are terrorists. We dont have kurdish problem'.And PKK flourished.

-During this period, many villages, somehow, destroyed. Many cases went to EU Human rights courts. Kurdish population become thin in rural areas.

-PKK was so strong at some stage. They would stop and search coaches.

-Governments changed tactics and started to cooperate with the local tribes, arming them against pkk. The result of that was blood bath.(In the end, a huge war machine has been created with local militias and everything. Of course, each war machine needs fuel to continue!)


-Capturing their leader was a turning point in this war. Because he is the undisputed leader of pkk, he started to soften his group. (that is where my comment 'I still think pkk is in the passive/defensive position. ' is coming from!! and everybody, who has a little bit of knowledge about politics in Turkey, knows that)


-The official line has always been the same :'we have terrorism only, we dont have Kurdish problem'

-Turkey performed several incursions into Northern Iraq in the past. Did they finish the terror? NO. Did those hot pursuits damaged them? NO

And now, most of the intellectuals in Turkey realize that we have a problem.
And the problem is between our borders. Not somewhere else. The problem we have is generating the terrorism. And the terrorism wont go away unless we deal with the problem.

I am against the hot pursuit into northern Iraq because it will achieve nothing as far as the terrorism is concerned.
I simply, dont want any of my country men dying for this problem anymore. Enough is enough

Maybe my post is somehow different but I am sure it's going on the same line as this thread!
Somedays ago in one of Learning Turkish and cuture forums I suggested to post some learning materials in Turkish- Kurdish language especially for those in North Iraq that are fond of learning Turkish. But the moderators of that forum afraid and appologized that if I posted a thread in Kurdish hundreds of Turkish members will leave that forum,
Now I can ask, the Turkish Army and government saying there are about 3500 terrorists of PKK in North of Iraq. How about millions of Turkish and Kurdish in this world you want to creat enamity among them???????????????
Who will get all the benefits from that?!

i dont think that entering iraq will solve any problem. there will always be terrorists among kurdish as long as the governments ignore the problems in east. 80 % men in southeast are jobless!!! only about 10% people have computer!!! there are lots of problems...

imagine ..you are a kurdish in one of the towns in the east of Turkey and seeing beautiful lives on TV..in TV series..wonderful houses..beautiful cars..beautiful women..Istanbul..bosphorus..and you turn the TV off..and you look around..you realise how different your life is to lives you see on TV.. this make them think life in this country is unfair to them..this make them think that the state is not equal to its all citizens.

the next day..you get out of house..and suddenly a soldier or cop stops you on street and ask your ID card as if you did something wrong. he asks you questions like ' why you are here'.. then you go somehwere like cafe which all your friends ( most of them are jobless) sit until evening. you have nothing to do..no money to buy anything for your family..

i cant belive that our clever generals and politicans think the problem will be solved by a military campaign:S