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Turkish soldiers killed at border today...
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:05 pm |
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Glad to be able to say I am proud to be a Brit. Well done Gordon Brown
(Turkish news on Gordon Brown's meeting with Erdoğan,at no 10 Downing Street, followed by joint press conference where Brown condemned the PKK. Brown said, "We will stand side by side on terror. We will continue to strengthen our relationship with Turkey. We condemn the PKK, and will work together regarding the PKK.")
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:13 pm |
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This is the difference between a man who knows what he is talking about...and others, who talk through their hats...
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:13 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: Janette,
That is exactly what I mean, when I say people should not be talking out of their depths. Or if they have to talk, they should be using a more modest tone
The concept of race or color discrimination is an element of Western culture and was not even heard of in Turkey, until we were flooded by American movies. Such discrimination as Westerners displayed against native Americans, colored people of Africa, Indians etc..is clearly and strictly banned in Islam and even looked down upon among Turks.
Halfbreed in Turkish is "melez" and carries no insult. In fact the general belief is that melez are physically stronger and esthetically better looking.
Anatolia, our homeland, is not an isolated island like UK. Scores of civilisations have flourished here, remnants of all are still clearly identifiable; you can count more than 20 ethnic groups with equal number of languages (never mind dialect differences within the same language) and just as many different religious beliefs. While you can meet blonde people with green eyes here, it is just as easy to see high cheek bones and slanted eyes of Middle Assia in certain areas..
The word "melez" can not be derogatory in such an environment. How many people, do you think, can rationally claim to be a pure blooded Turk or a Kurd or an Armenian etc. here...
What ever happened to Hittites, Ionians, Frigs, Sumerians, Greeks, Arabs, Persians etc.. who lived on this land? Do you think they were deported to planet Venus upon arrival of Turks?
The word Turk may imply a certain ethnical origin, But it also means people (citizen) of Republic of Turkia. The founder of this republic defined Turkish Nationalism, for those living within the boundaries of this country, by saying HAPPY IS THE ONE WHO FEELS TURKISH (Notice he did not say HAPPY IS THE ONE WHO IS ETHNICALLY TURKISH).
As opposed to separatist racist nationalism like once followed by Germans or what is supported by PKK today.... Turkish nationalism is a unifying umbrella trying to unite people of different origins into a single solid national identity.
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Dear alpha,
Sorry to butt in, but, please do not defend our dividing nationalism here.
-Are you not aware, with the entire Europe. we embraced the nationalism in mid 19 century?
-Are you not aware, we said 'there are only turks here, no kurds at all' (please dont make me dig to archives of 1980s politics)
-Are you not aware how our nationalism changed into some kind of racism in 1940s(Nihal Atsiz etc)
-Are you now aware most of the mottos we use are racist (Bir Turk dunyaya bedeldir;kahraman irkimiz; etc- I can give you a very long list here-)
-Are you not aware our racist party has more than 12 % vote.
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-how can we forget what happened to H Dink and what slogans were chanted in Trabzon Stadium?
-how can we forget the reason why O Pamuk is not living in Turkey?
-how can we forget what happened to 3 missioners in Malatya?
-how can we forget our own ex foreign minister said 'I was too embarrassed to say that I was Kurdish-Hikmet Cetin-'
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And how can I forget personally, my own mother!, still tells me that 'ah..All dark Kurds filled up the entire town-referring to imigration to the west part of Turkey-)
My own uncle! tells me that his son married to a -beautiful- Kurdish and let Kurds mix up with our family (he is still very upset about it).
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There is no excuse for our nationalism.
We have to accept our nationalism and fight against it.
Because of it, we have this current problem.
Because, racism breeds racism.
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:19 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
There is no excuse for our nationalism.
We have to accept our nationalism and fight against it.
Because of it, we have this current problem.
Because, racism breeds racism.
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To quote another poster here..."This is the difference between a man who knows what he is talking about...and others, who talk through their hats.."
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:24 pm |
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Quoting AlphaF: This is the difference between a man who knows what he is talking about...and others, who talk through their hats... |
If you mean Gordon Brown, he talks through his arse!
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:26 pm |
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Quoting libralady: If you mean Gordon Brown, he talks through his arse! |
I see you have lost none of your eloquence LL  
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:28 pm |
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Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: If you mean Gordon Brown, he talks through his arse! |
I see you have lost none of your eloquence LL |
He is a yes man - that is it! Bows to public opinion. Slimey git! How is that for eloquence? 
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:35 pm |
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classification humans for their races,colours,beliefs.. any worse mind sick?and i think thats always better to trying find trues on valuntary things.Thats really bad to look at life with blinkers and when we take of it easier to understand we each one the memeber of a same large wonderfull family with our own specialites....
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:48 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting libralady: If you mean Gordon Brown, he talks through his arse! |
I see you have lost none of your eloquence LL |
He is a yes man - that is it! Bows to public opinion. Slimey git! How is that for eloquence? |
OK. Still proud to be a Brit 'cos that means British public opinion is anti PKK terrorism.
Condy Rize is asking for 3 days to make their minds up about what they want to do. I reckon THAT is slimey...
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:50 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting AlphaF: This is the difference between a man who knows what he is talking about...and others, who talk through their hats... |
If you mean Gordon Brown, he talks through his arse! |
oh  libra!
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23 Oct 2007 Tue 04:52 pm |
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thehandsome has surprised me again, very untypical to a turk!
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