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The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:18 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer:
(What about Islam, sorry, it just got to my head - if you want a divorce, do you have the religious one and it has a legal value or do you go to a court and it has a religious value?)
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You know divorce is trouble,its almots same as you have it there some how.
You can get a nice friendly divorce where 2 people make all the finiancial arrangemets,and then they have it civilian with a religious value
You can have the divorce in civilian office
But,if it gets messy,then its in courts but also at the end with religious value.
You cant have religious one alone,how,what do you mean ?!mmmmmm...
İ guess there is something you are messing here
Religious one not seperated than civilian one,you see in the past,people's number was little,they can have religious one only
But now,it cant ...we must have both...actually we just have one,and it have the religious value as well
Both in marriage and divorce.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:18 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
Where it written....i will have to look it up,ask someone who knows,because im not İmam you know 
Of course i can have divorce if he marry another women..
İts his right to marry another woman dear,but NOT his right to keep me !
This is MY choice,if i accept it or not!
So,YES,by the book,i can have the divorce.
You want me to accept what i dont feel it,or what i dont live it ?! |
You are an eternal optimistic CANLI..
However, it will be interesting to see IN which sura it is written that ' a woman can divorce her wife because his husband IS USING HIS RIGHT'. (btw, i m clearly stating here that the reason for divorce should be 'husband marrying to another woman'.. )
I am not sure honestly if there is one..
I dont remember right now..
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:29 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
You can have the divorce in civilian office
But,if it gets messy,then its in courts but also at the end with religious value.
You cant have religious one alone,how,what do you mean ?!mmmmmm...
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But Canli
As a muslim, you dont need an official marriage..
Are you in favor of official marriage?
You should not.
Because, as you said, Islam gives you all the rights in the case of divorce.
You should not need an official one.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:30 pm |
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handsom,you are making me do researches in İslam and Qur'an,which i didnt do in my entire life.
So i owe you thanks lol
But till i ask,let me ask you,do you know something called 'Khol'a'
İts divorce type,know it ?!
By it Rasul SAV gave the right to a woman to divorce her husband who was one of the very good and religious people,because she dont think he was handsom enough
Even she stated he was a VERY good and tender husband,but she cant be still married to him because of his looks.
So,do you think if a woman want divorce because her husband remarry,its not valid ?!
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:35 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
But Canli
As a muslim, you dont need an official marriage..
Are you in favor of official marriage?
You should not.
Because, as you said, Islam gives you all the rights in the case of divorce.
You should not need an official one.
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So ? lol
Anyone can claim anyone to be his wife,or to be her husband ?!!!
Are you kidding ?!!!!
Yes,İslam gives me all the rights,but who said a husband will ?!
We are way to smart to trust you 'men' lol
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:35 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: handsom,you are making me do researches in İslam and Qur'an,which i didnt do in my entire life.
So i owe you thanks lol
But till i ask,let me ask you,do you know something called 'Khol'a'
İts divorce type,know it ?!
By it Rasul SAV gave the right to a woman to divorce her husband who was one of the very good and religious people,because she dont think he was handsom enough
Even she stated he was a VERY good and tender husband,but she cant be still married to him because of his looks.
So,do you think if a woman want divorce because her husband remarry,its not valid ?! |
If you are doing some searches in islam and Qur'an, it is a good think...is it not?
You are making me to go and read some parts of Qur'an too, which i did read in Turkish many moons ago.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:40 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
So ? lol
Anyone can claim anyone to be his wife,or to be her husband ?!!!
Are you kidding ?!!!!
Yes,İslam gives me all the rights,but who said a husband will ?!
We are way to smart to trust you 'men' lol |
At least I can take this post as religious/islamic rules ARE NOT ENOUGH for protecting women's right Canli.
Or at least, in THESE DAYS, Qu'ran is not enough to protect women's right.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 05:54 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting CANLI:
So ? lol
Anyone can claim anyone to be his wife,or to be her husband ?!!!
Are you kidding ?!!!!
Yes,İslam gives me all the rights,but who said a husband will ?!
We are way to smart to trust you 'men' lol |
At least I can take this post as religious/islamic rules ARE NOT ENOUGH for protecting women's right Canli.
Or at least, in THESE DAYS, Qu'ran is not enough to protect women's right. |
Yes,making reseaches in İslam and in Qur'an is good thing 
İslamic rules is something,and MEN is something else...
İslamic rules protect my rights,yes...but how can it force the man to give them to me ?!
He will go to HELL if he didnt...ok,good,cool...but would i be waiting that long to take my rights ?!
Religious marriage was ok in the past because people numbers were limited,people know who is married to whom,and who is divorced from whom
They go to İmam,marry them and divorce them,and its easily to see into their rights ...
But now,who knows whom ?!
So OF COURSE i need official marriage,official divorce to prove my rights,which im going to take by İslam rules.
Bana anladın mı ?
or its Beni ?!
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 06:21 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting CANLI:
You can have the divorce in civilian office
But,if it gets messy,then its in courts but also at the end with religious value.
You cant have religious one alone,how,what do you mean ?!mmmmmm...
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But Canli
As a muslim, you dont need an official marriage..
Are you in favor of official marriage?
You should not.
Because, as you said, Islam gives you all the rights in the case of divorce.
You should not need an official one.
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Handsom, an Islamic marriage is a contract. People specify what they expect, what would be grounds for a divorce, what material considerations are expected and so on. When the parties agree to be married they make a contract. This is somewhat of a prenuptial agreement.
As I mentioned before, why don't you go to:
Muslim BB
There are links there to other sites that could answer your questions. I suggest asking your questions where you would get input from perhaps some more equipped to answer your questions, as you are getting into technical areas that Canli has told you she is not prepared to answer, and this is not a religious debate site.
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10 Mar 2008 Mon 06:29 pm |
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Quoting alameda:
There are links there to other sites that could answer your questions. I suggest asking your questions where you would get input from perhaps some more equipped to answer your questions, as you are getting into technical areas that Canli has told you she is not prepared to answer, and this is not a religious debate site.
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Well..
I wanted to debate this from its basics Alameda.
I think everybody should know the basics before believing into something..
And as far as the links are concerned, I am not clicking on them.
Because I dont have question marks in my mind regarding what we are talking here.
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