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The lack of powerful liberal Muslim voices
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:22 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting KeithL: Quoting catwoman:
I love this guy - Ed Husain!  I wish all muslims were like him  |
is it acceptable to ask if all blacks could be like Bill Cosby? |
And yes, I know that not all muslims are intolerant. But most of the 1.2 billion are. |
Are you saying most of the 1.2b Muslims (half being female) are intolerant? Intolerant of what? Continually having words twisted. Yes that's deliberately argumentative, it goes on a lot here.
Or are you saying the governments that oppress them are intolerant? The governments/leaders don't equate to most of 1.2b.
I'm genuinely unsure of the figures and how you determine intolerance.
Please help me out.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:27 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
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Canli, it is really nice arguing with you in a civilized fashion. I really appriciate that.
Well the answers you have given were kind of rounded answers.
I was asking, clearly, why it was only man not women mentioned about having multiple partners.
You just said 'Determining the father would be difficult'.well..it is a question, clearly, can find answers easily in these days..So it is not a credible answer to me..
I was asking that question clearly from women-men-equality point of view.
Why it is men? not women?
Allah did not create us equal?
About the inheritance, your answer was not clear either..
Man having more responsiblities, looking after others etc , as you know, is a bit of a past in these days.(and many reason for that of course: Increased population, families dont live together etc.).
So that answer, seems to me, passed its time too..
About christianity and islam, do not worry..I am clearly NOT a christian..I never was, I will never be..
I was just stating the figures, I saw, several months ago.
I am DEFINITELEY not going to tell my daughter what you agreed..
And about zarqavi..
ok..lets forget that question. I should not have asked .
But, surely, what he was doing was in line with qu'ran..
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The pleasure is all mine handsom .
Ama,handsom,i actually GAVE YOU answeres,where you didnt GİVE ME any lol
You see determining tha father can be solved easily these days ?!
Why do 'West' have such problems then still ?!
Not knowing who is the son of whom,and who is the father of whom,that what you can call it a HEALTHY SOCİETY ?! 
No,sorry,dont count me in such one !
About inheritance
İts NOT men having more responsiblities, looking after others
NOPE,they are having more responsiblities looking after HİS SİSTER.
Thats different.
Tell me,when there was a time which women dont work,and only heavy works are available,and who is hired is the strong stud
how can such women survive then ?!
Selling their bodies ?!
And you know something,that diffeculties for women to have jobs is not something in the past,maybe its getting more less by time,but it is STİLL ,specially for non educated women !
So,would it be better that her brother be responsible of her,or would it be better that she walks arround beg for something to eat ?!
When her brother actually inhereted double what she did 'maybe lots of money maybe not'is keeping her dignity that he is NOT making her a favor
Nothing is passed its time handsom,your responsibilities is arround your neck,whether you've fulfilled them or not !
As for if she is my daughter,i would be actually telling her 'Dont worry dear,nothing or no one will DARE to harm you doesnt matter what time of the day it is '' 
About zarqavi...apology accepted  lol
But,hypothetically speeking SURELY he has no right to do such,he is not the ruler.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:30 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: You see determining tha father can be solved easily these days ?!
Why do 'West' have such problems then still ?!
Not knowing who is the son of whom,and who is the father of whom,that what you can call it a HEALTHY SOCİETY ?!
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Just a small note on this one.. I dont think that the West is having a big society in which nobody knows who's child is from who. It's too marginal to be an argument in this discussion, that's all.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:38 pm |
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As same as Christianity to us D_K
İts not easy for me either to understand the bible
Tho its not in my native language,but to us its not vague .
Qur'an has been sent in a time where men can have many,MANY women,as a wife,as maid,as b**chs
So it wouldnt be really acceptable from them to say Only 1 wife allowed
So ALLAH left it to them but made it hard for them too
Ok,marry 4 wives,but if you didnt love them equally,then dont...!
So,they actually wont do it themselves.
And when it says, 'you can take all from the world that seems good to you'
The things which were forbidden like pork and wine are excluded.
The people who have convered,they chose it,so they search and study,there are many sources can provide them with the right meaning
The story and the event behinde each Ayat,and Sura,make it better understanding for what it meant.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:41 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
Just a small note on this one.. I dont think that the West is having a big society in which nobody knows who's child is from who. It's too marginal to be an argument in this discussion, that's all. |
İ dont understand what you mean...:-S
İ was refering to both son and father...not to the society
Later son and father will one of those who form that society.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:43 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
Qur'an has been sent in a time where men can have many,MANY women,as a wife,as maid,as b**chs
So it wouldnt be really acceptable from them to say Only 1 wife allowed
So ALLAH left it to them but made it hard for them too
Ok,marry 4 wives,but if you didnt love them equally,then dont...!
So,they actually wont do it themselves.
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Canli,
Be careful over there
Because you are fueling the suspicions that Kuran was written by looking at certain time, at certain people.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:43 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: As same as Christianity to us D_K
İts not easy for me either to understand the bible
Tho its not in my native language,but to us its not vague .
Qur'an has been sent in a time where men can have many,MANY women,as a wife,as maid,as b**chs
So it wouldnt be really acceptable from them to say Only 1 wife allowed
So ALLAH left it to them but made it hard for them too
Ok,marry 4 wives,but if you didnt love them equally,then dont...!
So,they actually wont do it themselves.
And when it says, 'you can take all from the world that seems good to you'
The things which were forbidden like pork and wine are excluded.
The people who have convered,they chose it,so they search and study,there are many sources can provide them with the right meaning
The story and the event behinde each Ayat,and Sura,make it better understanding for what it meant. |
All nice and well, but how do you explain the four schools of law? They all have a different interpretation of Quran. And those interpretations evolved after close studies of Quran and Hadith.
I know about the pre-islamic situation of women, and in that light it is a nice surah. Yet, like the heritage, it is outdated.
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:53 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom:
Canli,
Be careful over there
Because you are fueling the suspicions that Kuran was written by looking at certain time, at certain people.
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ohhh handsom lol
İt was reasoning with certian kind of people at certain time
But the same reason is valid for all times
Here,D_K is not muslim and she has reached the same conclusion
That its not preferable to have more than 1 wife
So,as we are in our time,and as D_K is not even muslim,so i guess that proves my point even more
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:58 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
All nice and well, but how do you explain the four schools of law? They all have a different interpretation of Quran. And those interpretations evolved after close studies of Quran and Hadith.
I know about the pre-islamic situation of women, and in that light it is a nice surah. Yet, like the heritage, it is outdated.
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Actually they are not that different,it goes from conservative to less conservative.
And you are free to follow which you like.
İ find it even more easier this way...
For example,here in Egypt we mostly live by Şafi concept and we marry accourding to Hanfi concept !
As for me...i pick the less demanding thing in each. hee hee
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 09:58 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting thehandsom:
Canli,
Be careful over there
Because you are fueling the suspicions that Kuran was written by looking at certain time, at certain people.
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ohhh handsom lol
İt was reasoning with certian kind of people at certain time
But the same reason is valid for all times
Here,D_K is not muslim and she has reached the same conclusion
That its not preferable to have more than 1 wife
So,as we are in our time,and as D_K is not even muslim,so i guess that proves my point even more |
But canli
You just gave the reason that
Qur'an has been sent in a time where men can have many,MANY women,as a wife,as maid,as b**chs
So it wouldnt be really acceptable from them to say Only 1 wife allowed
So ALLAH left it to them but made it hard for them too
But we know that those reasons are 'not valid anymore'
How come it proves your point?
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08 Mar 2008 Sat 10:03 pm |
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Quoting peace train: Are you saying most of the 1.2b Muslims (half being female) are intolerant? Intolerant of what? Continually having words twisted. Yes that's deliberately argumentative, it goes on a lot here.
Or are you saying the governments that oppress them are intolerant? The governments/leaders don't equate to most of 1.2b.
I'm genuinely unsure of the figures and how you determine intolerance.
Please help me out. |
Can someone tell me if she is blind? Maybe she can't read? :-S Maybe she is censored at home as to what news she can read.... Someone help me out please.... 
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