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What is wrong with Muslims?
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 04:35 pm |
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Quoting zhang ziyi:
Ist your school, Peacetrain? 
Pupils were ‘disrespectful of prophet’
CHESHIRE council has launched an investigation after pupils were punished for refusing to kneel and pray to Allah during a religious education lesson.
Parents complained after the two boys, year 7 pupils at Alsager high school, were given detention for being “disrespectful†to the prophet.
Parent Sharon Luinen said: “This isn’t right, it’s taking things too far.
“I understand that they have to learn about other religions, but it is taking it a step too far to be punished.â€
Cheshire county council confirmed that parents had complained about the lesson, and said the circumstances of the incident were to be “thoroughly†looked into.
A spokesman said: “Educating children in the beliefs of different faiths is part of our diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is, of course, essential to understanding.â€
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No this is not my school.
I'm surprised children were made to do such a thing in a lesson and whoever planned it has been misguided at best. To "punish" the children also seems extreme.
There will always be such stories, but I believe they are the exception rather than the norm.
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 04:39 pm |
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religion, secularism, islam, christianity, atheism, feminism, dudus etc... they are all same shit. calm down dudes, make a tea or lemonade. is it necessary to waste your time by dealing with these kinda subjects?
"extremist muslims are terrorists, christians have a barbaric history, women rights, viva feminism, men dump us everythime, i luv my dudu, dudu wants some money from me" bla bla.. always talking about the same shits. please calm down and then satisfy your partners instead of sitting on a chair and vomitting here. regards. grazie.
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 04:43 pm |
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Not taking the Alsagar school as an example, but I think sometimes incidents filter through to the media before all facts are known. Children may go home and relate an incident and parents may over react without knowing the full facts.
One Christmas our school provided the usual Christmas style school dinner and a 6 year old Muslim child went home and told his parents that he had eaten non halal meat. Luckily the parents came to school and listened to what we had to say and went away happy. The meat was halal but had been cooked in a traditional "British" way and that is how the child had become confused.
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 05:54 pm |
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Quoting lady in red:
Can you quote your source please zhan zyi? |
I am not quite sure now if you are calling me crazy or mad?
Of course I can quote the sources, not one but more
I didn't quote it before, because it affected the form of my post
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/07/05/pupils-were-disrespectful-of-prophet-100252-21266936/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031784/Schoolboys-punished-detention-refusing-kneel-pray-Allah.html
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 06:11 pm |
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Quoting zhang ziyi: Quoting lady in red:
Can you quote your source please zhan zyi? |
I am not quite sure now if you are calling me crazy or mad?
Of course I can quote the sources, not one but more
I didn't quote it before, because it affected the form of my post
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/07/05/pupils-were-disrespectful-of-prophet-100252-21266936/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031784/Schoolboys-punished-detention-refusing-kneel-pray-Allah.html |
Well the Daily Mail seems to be known for it's sensationalising. Having read the article, it seems the media have got hold of the story before the inquiry about it has finished. This is the danger.
Having said that, if the incident occurred as reported then I think the teacher was, as I said before, at best misguided. It could have been a student teacher, but even then there should have been careful monitoring of lesson plans by a mentor. It sounded more like role playing than a "demonstration" as reported. A demonstration could/should have involved asking a Muslim to volunteer to go through the preparation for prayer then carrying it out.
The preparation for prayer and the prayer itself could have been done through an Educational video, of which there are many.
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 06:13 pm |
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Quoting Rocco Siffredi: religion, secularism, islam, christianity, atheism, feminism, dudus etc... they are all same shit. calm down dudes, make a tea or lemonade. is it necessary to waste your time by dealing with these kinda subjects?
"extremist muslims are terrorists, christians have a barbaric history, women rights, viva feminism, men dump us everythime, i luv my dudu, dudu wants some money from me" bla bla.. always talking about the same shits. please calm down and then satisfy your partners instead of sitting on a chair and vomitting here. regards. grazie. |
I think you have a problem, not us, you don't like it, don't read it. Besides, some people get aroused pretending to be porn stars, other love talking about matters that shape the world around them. Those of us having satisfactory sex life don't have to write about it in every post 
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 07:09 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Those of us having satisfactory sex life don't have to write about it in every post |
+1
1-0!!!
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 09:19 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting Rocco Siffredi: ... |
I think you have a problem, not us, you don't like it, don't read it. Besides, some people get aroused pretending to be porn stars, others love talking about matters that shape the world around them. Those of us having satisfactory sex life don't have to write about it in every post |
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 09:30 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin:
Tamikidakika, you may say your schoolsystem is more secular than, for instnace the UK, because they allow Christian festivities and Turkey does not. But in Turkish primary schools Sunni Islam is a compulsory lesson. In schools in the Netherlands, the type of religious education depends on the type of school you choose, it doesn't 'depend' on the fact that every state sponsored primary school offers obliged Sunni İslam lessons. They aren't as obliged as they used to be, Christian parents can send the Turkish schools letters that they are not Muslim and therefore their children don't have to take these lessons. Yes, a big improvement. But what about Alevis? They consider themselves Muslim, but they have to write a letter to the schoolprincipal 'that they are not Muslim' (though they consider themselves Muslim) in order for their children not to take Sunni lessons. How secular is that? |
I agree, the compulsory religion lesson is one thing that contradicts the secular education system. A court in Turkey has already decided that the religion lesson violates the constitution and must be abolished, but I don`t expect AKP to do that for sure.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/5501653.asp?m=1&gid=112&srid=3428&oid=2
Quoting Deli_kizin:
You can't debate on secularism comparing the UK, The Netherlands and Turkey. Because the meaning of secularism is different in those places. In the Netherlands, secularism means that the state doesnt interfere with religion, that you can establish religious schools and that parents are free to choose what school they send their children to. It means that you can celebrate Christmas with a schoolplay in a church, and you can celebrate Ramazan with an iftar-meal in the schoolhall. If you're lucky, your school does both.
In Turkey it means direct control of religion by the state, where the state has picked Sunni İslam to be the 'right' religion that needs state protection and state interference. Its no use to debate on secularism or education without keeping that in your mind. But what you say, is simply untrue: different types of education do not make a country less secular |
You`re right, in Turkey secularity means "religion can`t interfere with the government, but the government can interfere with religion". But I dont see how this makes a country less secular as far as religion doesn`t play any role in government.
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 09:38 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: You`re right, in Turkey secularity means "religion can`t interfere with the government, but the government can interfere with religion". But I dont see how this makes a country less secular as far as religion doesn`t play any role in government. |
But when there is a Ministery of Religious affairs, I think that makes a country less secular. Because as far as I'm aware, that ministery appoints imams etc, not prayerleaders in Church, right? So in that case the Turkish government clearly makes a religious Sunni statement.
Anyway in my previous post I didn't say it makes it less secular, because as I said, it is about how you define secularism. I just said that 'our' educational system doesn't make us less secular either.
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06 Jul 2008 Sun 10:01 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting Rocco Siffredi: religion, secularism, islam, christianity, atheism, feminism, dudus etc... they are all same shit. calm down dudes, make a tea or lemonade. is it necessary to waste your time by dealing with these kinda subjects?
"extremist muslims are terrorists, christians have a barbaric history, women rights, viva feminism, men dump us everythime, i luv my dudu, dudu wants some money from me" bla bla.. always talking about the same shits. please calm down and then satisfy your partners instead of sitting on a chair and vomitting here. regards. grazie. |
I think you have a problem, not us, you don't like it, don't read it. Besides, some people get aroused pretending to be porn stars, other love talking about matters that shape the world around them. Those of us having satisfactory sex life don't have to write about it in every post |
hunny, if you are aroused by nickname, that is your problem not mine. i guess you have a very difficult pregnancy according to your previous posts, that's why you and your crew alwayz puke here with your unnecessary posts. i hope you'll recover soon. by the way you identify yourself as an atheist, but haven't you realized the miracle of bearing a baby, being a mum? it's a blessing from the creator to all the women, and you have to feel yourself lucky for having a baby. come on madam daydreamer, don't be attached yourself on the things with full of emptiness such as atheism etc... just think about it please. keep in mind, i really don't any problem with you all, but it's very ridiculous for me to read your baseless posts about religions, cultures, terrorism, beliefs, dudus etc. i hope you'll improve yourself for writing fully sophisticated posts henceforth. take care, grazie.
ps: score is 9999999999999999999999-1 now, and i always win forever and ever, cause i'm a worldclass man. kisses.
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