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16 Feb 2009 Mon 04:48 pm |
Quoting armegon
thehandsom, you better stop talking nonsense. When Islam is being discussed, of course i have my right to give my opinions.
Then you will have to listen to what others will have to say as well..
But ill-intenioned people somehow forgot the verse 2/190 or forgot that these verses are the war time instructions when war is imposed upon the believers. By the way mr. thehandsom, there is no exact translation of Quran in any language because its original itself like how a song translated in another language, mostly loses some parts of its emotions but still understandable.
yeah yeah yeah.. There are very clear and distinct orders in Quran such as chopping hands of theives etc..
where are you going to put them..eh?
Lastly if you did care, the discussions is not started by me usually. Have you ever seen any of my threads promoting Islam? But people begin to understand why you are here very well{#lang_emotions_wink}
As long as your posts promotes Islam (or any religion) , there will be some posts slamming down Islam (or any religion).. And Will you care to tell us all why I am here then? Will you be able to discuss "anything, but anything" without resorting to personal insult!!.. Are you that weak?
is your belief that weak?
are your ideas that weak?
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 05:46 pm |
Then you will have to listen to what others will have to say as well..
I listen everyone and because of this i post my opinions, simply those are responses.
yeah yeah yeah.. There are very clear and distinct orders in Quran such as chopping hands of theives etc..
where are you going to put them..eh?
, very clear says who? ill-intenioned people? As i said its realted to knowledge and how you approach Quran, Here is an explanation, explains 5:38 http://www.submission.org/satan/theft.html And here is another intepretation;
“5:38 (Theft is a crime that steals away the sense of security from a society). A habitual thief, male or female, must have their ability (to steal) cut off. This is the reward for their doings, and a deterrent from Allah. Allah is Almighty, Wise. [For QAT’A, the so-called cutting of hands, please see 12:31. ‘Yadd’ = Hand = Ability. ‘Allah’s hand’ at many places in the Qur’an, of course, denotes His Power and Authority. So, consider all circumstances with wisdom, and take measures to prevent this crime in the society] Here´s the reference from Mathew Chapter 18, Verses 8-9 (The New King James Version). "And if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. "And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire. 5:39 Whoever repents after the crime and makes amends, surely, Allah grants him pardon. Verily, Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (If the hands are cut off, where are the making amends, pardon and mercy?)”
As long as your posts promotes Islam (or any religion) , there will be some posts slamming down Islam (or any religion).. And Will you care to tell us all why I am here then? Will you be able to discuss "anything, but anything" without resorting to personal insult!!.. Are you that weak?
is your belief that weak?
are your ideas that weak?
I have no problem about the posts criticizing Islam till their intention is not Islam blackening rather than knowledge. thehandsom how many times do i need to say you that why you are here? Actually i havent see personal insult in my last post, but your post is far more cynical than my post.
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 06:31 pm |
very clear says who? ill-intenioned people? As i said its realted to knowledge and how you approach Quran, Here is an explanation, explains 5:38 http://www.submission.org/satan/theft.html And here is another intepretation; “5:38 (Theft is a crime that steals away the sense of security from a society). A habitual thief, male or female, must have their ability (to steal) cut off. This is the reward for their doings, and a deterrent from Allah. Allah is Almighty, Wise. [For QAT’A, the so-called cutting of hands, please see 12:31. ‘Yadd’ = Hand = Ability. ‘Allah’s hand’ at many places in the Qur’an, of course, denotes His Power and Authority. So, consider all circumstances with wisdom, and take measures to prevent this crime in the society] Here´s the reference from Mathew Chapter 18, Verses 8-9 (The New King James Version). "And if your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire. "And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire. 5:39 Whoever repents after the crime and makes amends, surely, Allah grants him pardon. Verily, Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (If the hands are cut off, where are the making amends, pardon and mercy?)”
Yeah yeah.. You mean even Saudi Arabia whose official language is the same as Quran, misinterpretting it..eh? Do you believe Quran or that website? Do you expect Taliban to go and search it in google and find THAT particular interpretation? You are wrong..But Taliban and Saudi Arabian people are right.. You are clearly not following Quran!! But they are..
Why are you not accepting it as a fact..
I have no problem about the posts criticizing Islam till their intention is not Islam blackening rather than knowledge. thehandsom how many times do i need to say you that why you are here? Actually i havent see personal insult in my last post, but your post is far more cynical than my post.
Why is it a problem for you that why I am here? What is it got to do with you? Am I going and asking everybody why they are here? Are you going and asking Alameda why she is here?
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 07:12 pm |
As long as your posts promotes Islam (or any religion) , there will be some posts slamming down Islam (or any religion)..
Even if the post was promote Ãslam, as someone proud of his religion and believes, what so ever, i wonder, why do you feel you have to post something to slam down Ãslam ?!
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 07:23 pm |
Even if the post was promote Ãslam, as someone proud of his religion and believes, what so ever, i wonder, why do you feel you have to post something to slam down Ãslam ?!
I dont think you understand the question here..
If you promote Islam or any other religion, you think that you are doing something good for the rest of the humanity..
Well there is other side of the coin..If you demote the religions it is better for the humanity and better for the future, better for the next generations..
The ideas of religions are considered by somepeople as outdated, primitive and backwards!
And naturally, people will oppose the ideas which they find regressive.
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 07:35 pm |
Do you believe Quran or that website? Do you expect Taliban to go and search it in google and find THAT particular interpretation? You are wrong..But Taliban and Saudi Arabian people are right.. You are clearly not following Quran!! But they are..
Why are you not accepting it as a fact.
Maybe because he is Muslim, and he knows what he follows ?!
You are not Muslim yourself, but you try to force your understanding of Ãslam even upon us Muslims, saying that we understood it wrong ?!
And the right Muslims are Taliban and Saudi Arabians ?!
Ãts quite interesting actually !
Well, in Ãslam as all muslims know, and should know...no one can say who is the good or the bad muslims but ALLAH, that is really something we cant judge
But we can judge who follow the rules of Ãslam in the right way and who dont!
Ãn Ãslam we have 2 sources..JUST two and they dont contradict with each others...Qur´an, and Sunna, and by those ALLAH will ask us in the judgement day.
By saying Þahada, you as Muslim accept that as a rule nothing else.
You mean even Saudi Arabia whose official language is the same as Quran, misinterpretting it..eh?
Misinterpretting ?!
Mmmmm, well i dont know, but Saudi Arabia has sentenced Egyptian medic 53 yrs old to 1,500 lashes and 15 years in jail for allegedly turning a Saudi princess into a drug addict.
She used to take an over dosage of the drug and SURELY it would be the Doctor´s mistake not hers!
There is NOTHÃNG absolutely NOTHÃNG in Qur´an, Hadith, Sharia allow them to such sentence, its simply not there...so is it also misinterpreting ?! Ã dont know what to call it !
But im sure you would like to see it as it was an order from ALLAH in Qur´an that they sentence Doctors to 1500 lashes !
Edited (2/16/2009) by CANLI
Edited (2/16/2009) by CANLI
[try to fixing the layout ! grrrr]
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 08:17 pm |
As usual people are giving theH a platform for his words against Islam/religion.
I wonder, is it worth discussing this topic with him. He doesn´t say anything new.
I think watching a hamster (theHamster ) on his wheel is more interesting than what H has to say about Islam.
Pity, because he has so many other interesting articles here.
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 08:18 pm |
As long as your posts promotes Islam (or any religion) , there will be some posts slamming down Islam (or any religion)..
I think it´s the other way around.
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 08:19 pm |
As usual people are giving theH a platform for his words against Islam/religion.
I wonder, is it worth discussing this topic with him. He doesn´t say anything new.
I think watching a hamster (theHamster ) on his wheel is more interesting than what H has to say about Islam.
Pity, because he has so many other interesting articles here.
It would be really nice if JUST ONCE you would post your views on a topic instead of your views on the PERSON WRITING.
Do you think anyone gives a rat´s arse what you think of them?
Edited (2/16/2009) by TheAenigma
[Mispelling of rat (I wrote fat....I must have been thinking of Femme´s arse :unsure: )]
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 08:38 pm |
Do you think anyone gives a rat´s arse what you think of them?
No I dont, I´m posting my opinion on the way the discussion was heading, just like others do. As for giving my opinion on Islam, I´m a Muslim, end of discussion.
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16 Feb 2009 Mon 08:44 pm |
No I dont, I´m posting my opinion on the way the discussion was heading
Strange, it read more like your opinion of thehandsom
As for giving my opinion on Islam, I´m a Muslim, end of discussion.
What a strange answer - meaning you are blind to your religion´s radicals; to misinterpretations; to defending the true meaning of your religion? WOW! Now THAT IS radical!!!!
"I think watching a hamster (theHamster ) on his wheel is more interesting than what H has to say about Islam" sounds like hidden anger and the inability to rationally discuss your faith.
Edited (2/16/2009) by TheAenigma
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