I would say people don´t appear to promote their religion on this site. It seems to me it is usually a case of people feeling they have to defend their religion because "they hear others criticising" it.  At the very least it is six of one and half a dozen of the other. I personally don´t get involved in that because, from my point of view, it just fans the flames.  If I didn´t believe in anything I would take the same view.  I don´t believe in forcing my views on religion on anyone, it´s up to the individual to find their own path in life.  This is the way I was raised.  We all have a different story to tell, which has shaped who we are and why we think the way we do and have the views we have. 

Of course you´re not bending my arm,  but your posts form part of some threads I read and they can´t  always be avoided.  I have read enough of your exchanges with Canli and others to know to skim them.  When I say ´them´, I mean all the posts not just yours.  If I want to criticise you for repeating the same old same old, then I exercise my right to do so, as many members do.  As the audience, I simply don´t see repetition of the same exchanges as constructive or informative. 

But this is only one facet of your posting life and I think I made it clear in my original post that I was only posting about this.  I simply think there are times when you make mischief . 

Much of what you debate is interesting and informative for me as a non Turk, with a lot of documents posted by you and the members you debate with, about politics in Turkey.   My only question is this . . . Which view is the right one .

Of course I realise that you may not give a rodent´s bum for any of the above.  It´s not a problem for me.

Have I grovelled enough I wonder

 What a wonderful post!

 As the thread seems to have gone seriously off topic, I thought I´d refresh everyone´s memories .

I haven´t researched, so forgive me if I´m wrong, but I´m not sure this is honour killing is connected to Islam.  I always thought honour killings were related to culture, caste and rigid family traditions etc. , not any particular faith.  I´m not sure, but I don´t think the Patna region is a region where Muslims live.  Islam isn´t the main religion of India as far as I´m aware and the names given in the news article don´t look like names Muslims would have.    The article itself doesn´t mention any religion at all. 

As for the killings, well it´s very difficult to put the feelings of horror into words.   It is very difficult to understand how disapproval of a marriage partner can motivate such violence.

Excuse me, but when you start debating ´how peaceful my religion is; people who are behading infidels do not represent my religion because they do not Quran properly; and look at this part of the Quran´ etc, I have every single right to come in and ask questions and comment about what they are trying to say.
So I will keep commenting on this issue as an any ordinary user could..
So get used to it..

 

Well I would agree what you say..But when the same users come with the same arguments again and again with the same excuses such as ´ah..but.. they dont represent my religion; my religion is peaceful; they dont know Quran; taken out of context; mistranslated´ etc despite the fact that several times we argued on these issues and despite the proven fact that they were just ´excuses´, then how come single me out on this?
Becaue you are a Muslim and their repetitive excuses dont bother you?

See I am giving a rodent´s bum..

 Strange, if this is the case, it is just coincidence that they always happen in muslim cultures eh?

The thread was not "seriously offtopic" at all actually....

actually the thread itself proves this wrong.

you now see why you make me laugh?

I thought the same when I read the article - having worked with many Indians in the UK the names mentioned sounded Hindi/Urdu to me.

there is no doubt about that. If they had been muslims, it would have been mentioned in the news. you never hear about christian fathers who rape their own daughters , jewish murderers, or hindu thieves in the news, but only muslim ones. not that they don`t exist.

Those news are all over the place actually..

I think it is just muslims being a bit sensitive about the news and they think they are deliberately being made news to hurt them..

it`s not being too sensitive or smt like that. if the ones who beheaded those people had been muslims, they would have said that they were muslims in the news. but when they are christians, jews, or hindus who commit a crime, their religion is never mentioned in the news.

why don`t we ever mention about the ethnicities of criminals in the news. note that most of the criminals in turkey are kurds.

Also I don´t often hear people justifying murders, rapes, etc. with religion. If they say that god commanded them to kill somebody they would usually be locked up in a psychiatric facility, at least in the USA, and heavily medicated. There are serious issues too that are related to religion in the USA, for example, denying to homosexuals same rights as heterosexuals have when it comes to marriage and relationships, if it wasn´t for the Bible and people who take the book as god-inspired word, those people would be treated as human beings and not as "abominable sinners". Or the issue of "teaching abstinence" to children as their entire sexual ed (and then being surprised at teenage pregnancies and STDs). Or blocking vital stem-cell research. Or teaching "creationism" in schools. Or using Christian rhetoric by former administration and media to justify the war in Iraq. And so it goes ...