Strange, it read more like your opinion of thehandsom

 What a strange answer - meaning you are blind to your religion´s radicals; to misinterpretations; to defending the true meaning of your religion?  WOW!  Now THAT IS radical!!!!

"I think watching a hamster (theHamster ) on his wheel is more interesting than what H has to say about Islam" sounds like hidden anger and the inability to rationally discuss your faith. 

well..

I am not dying for it..But when people come with the arguments such as "Even if the post was promote Ýslam, as someone proud of his religion and believes, what so ever, i wonder, why do you feel you have to post something to slam down Ýslam ?!", why do you expect they should not be answered?

Why do people need to promote their religion?

If they are promoting their belief, why on earth they get angry when they hear others critisizing their religion and what the others believe?

Some people proud of their believes. so am I!!

If it is bothering you that much, do not read what I write about religions..

I am not bending your arm and forcing you..

ps..will you also stop calling the hamster, TheHamster please..

No, I did not ignore the other verses in your link. However,  those verses referenced in the link were out of context and inaccuratly translated. Out of context and mistranslated, their use is questionable at best.

Likewise, it seems you choose to ignore the fact that out of 114 suras in the Quran, 113 begin with: Bismi-llāhi ar-ramāni ar-raīmi سم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Translated it is:

The All Beneficent, The Most Merciful in Essence, The Compassionate, The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful, The Most Merciful in Actions

Charity is one of the five pillars of Islam. Which is to say, I think your choice of references is questionable and certainly not from an unbiased source. Compassion, charity and mercy are mentioned many more times. Every action should be initiated with those thoughts in mind.

If you have faith in a Higher Power,  or do not have faith is not up to me. Like I said earlier, it´s like sight, hearing or other senses, either you have it or you do not. To explain to someone who is blind the joys of sight is fruitless.

When you post disgusting inflammatory posts, and hold up as your heroine a known teller of lies, (who by the way is now part a member of the American Enterprise Institute) you must expect a response. As far as I´m concerned she is a sycophant.

I think this discussion is over (as far as I am concerned). Trying to get you to understand my point is too much of a Sisyphean task.

 The point of discussing religion is beyond me, no-one agrees, if you don´t agree you get called names, no wonder I have not time for it............... peace be with you all

 Actually handsom you were refering to my post here, and since you did, so my question actually was to you personally not to anyone else .

Reread my question, i said even if....

Why would it be essential to you to salm Ýslam down by every mean you can have?!

Why do i ask, because actually its not the first time you do it and as much as you try to show it as a normal thing to salm religions down once you find people believing in them...actually it is not !

Ýf i/you accepting everyone´s right to believe what they wish, it wont be the case, it actually wont matter to you if they promote they religion or not.

Talking about your believe, being proud of it, its not promotion, but its quite understandable that you see it that way, never the less, i believe its a natural feeling, if i wasnt believing in Ýslam, proud to be Muslim, well...i wouldnt be muslim at the first place i would convert to other one i can be proud believing in it, and i believe that goes for every religion and belief too not just Ýslam.

People are proud of their beliefs but that doesnt mean we slam down other beliefs...everyone has his/her own mind and see what suites him/her, and we should accept that.

What amazes me is that you dont miss a chance to slam Ýslam down as you said, once someone talk about it, and you start accusing him/her of promoting Ýslam and start wondering if it is a weak belief that is why people need to promote it !

As if it is a cause to you !

Yes handsom it is a weak belief and muslims also are weak and not really know anything about Ýslam, that is why the number of Muslims is almost %20 of the world !

All those 1.0-1.8 billion or something are blind and do not know the right Ýslam or see its real face which you clearly know better than all of us / them ! 

All famous TC debates on religion follow the same pattern. Somehow Muslims and non-Muslims cannot see eye to eye with each other. Why is it so hard to understand that it´s not the essence of religion that is being discussed but rather the social influence it has on some groups. I can speak in my own name only, but I believe none of the people criticising Islam detests its followers only because they are Muslim. I simply abhore those who claim that theirs is the only religion and will not hesitate to kill innocent people just to impose their religion on them. Murderers, suicide-bombers, people killing children just because they want to introduce religious order onto everybody - those are the people I speak against. You may argue they´re not Muslim, but they´d say exactly the same thing about you. They believe they read Qran the right way, not you.

Don´t we all believe that a person should be free to decide whether s/he wants to believe in God or not? And if they choose to worship a God they should have freedom to decide how they want to do it? That´s about all I want of this world (and a few million euros). Imposing religious law doesn´t sound fair, does it? And neither does punishing women for not wearing a veil. Arranged marriages, polygamy, honour killings - those are crimes that are associated with Islam. Not because evil west wants that, but because people who commit those crimes say it was right and justify them with Qran verses. You may have different interpretation of those verses but still it doesn´t change the fact that they think they live the way they should. And it´s not western propaganda, it´s Muslims who say that they´re the real ones. And that´s dangerous.

Religion should be an individual matter and the state shouldn´t interfere with individual people´s beliefs. Preach whatever you want, pray however you please, eat or don´t eat whatever suits you, but don´t kill me for not sharing your ideas.

 Well,  I´ll leave you to ponder on my psyche as much as you like, but don´t forget to slow down a little before you jump off your wheel .

 Agreed +10001

I may add to that.......

please don´t force your preaching on those who are not receptive......

religion does not mean much if it is coerced.

More subtle than my hamster wheel approach .  You are ever the diplomat LL . 

I would say people don´t appear to promote their religion on this site. It seems to me it is usually a case of people feeling they have to defend their religion because "they hear others criticising" it.  At the very least it is six of one and half a dozen of the other. I personally don´t get involved in that because, from my point of view, it just fans the flames.  If I didn´t believe in anything I would take the same view.  I don´t believe in forcing my views on religion on anyone, it´s up to the individual to find their own path in life.  This is the way I was raised.  We all have a different story to tell, which has shaped who we are and why we think the way we do and have the views we have. 

Of course you´re not bending my arm,  but your posts form part of some threads I read and they can´t  always be avoided.  I have read enough of your exchanges with Canli and others to know to skim them.  When I say ´them´, I mean all the posts not just yours.  If I want to criticise you for repeating the same old same old, then I exercise my right to do so, as many members do.  As the audience, I simply don´t see repetition of the same exchanges as constructive or informative. 

But this is only one facet of your posting life and I think I made it clear in my original post that I was only posting about this.  I simply think there are times when you make mischief . 

Much of what you debate is interesting and informative for me as a non Turk, with a lot of documents posted by you and the members you debate with, about politics in Turkey.   My only question is this . . . Which view is the right one .

Of course I realise that you may not give a rodent´s bum for any of the above.  It´s not a problem for me.

Have I grovelled enough I wonder