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10.       Aalaa
4 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 03:11 pm

I didn´t say that Nazi didn´t kill more than million people, but the israelis acting as the whole story about them, and as it happened just to kill them.
And because I hate Israel that dosen´t mean I´m going to tell lies about them.

11.       christine
443 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 03:28 pm

 

Quoting Aalaa

I didn´t say that Nazi didn´t kill more than million people,

 

 And the killing of these million people is the Holocaust

12.       scalpel
1472 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 04:32 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

that so many people in Turkey have NO idea of what the holocaust was.

 

People were gassed for being of a certain race or religion. People were even forced to throw the dead, gassed bodies of their own families in the burners (which wasn´t a proper burial according to their customs), while guns were pointed at their heads. The ones who weren´t killed immediatly were worked to death, literally.

 

Perhaps you should read the dairy of Anne Frank, and then visit a place like Auswitsch.

 

"de omnibus dubitandum est"

Descartes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson

 Faurisson denies the reality of the Holocaust story as it is presented today in history textbooks or in the media. He claims that this story was invented by the victorious Allied powers as a propaganda device, and was readily embraced by dispossessed Jews. But in reality, according to Faurisson, there was no organized program of mass-murder initiated by the Nazis. He estimates that the number of Jews that died during World War II is much less than 6 million - perhaps half that number or less. The gas chambers alleged to have been used to kill millions of Jews were not actually used for that purpose, but rather for de-lousing and pest control. The gas chambers could not have been used for mass murder, because of chemical limitations of the gas itself and physical limitations of the gas-chamber mechanism. The Jews who did die in concentration camps died of communicable diseases such as typhus, exacerbated by crowding and overwork. Many Jewish families were separated by the war and ended up in different parts of the world (e.g. Canada, Israel, various parts of the United States), which led to a sense of loss and ready acceptance of the Holocaust story. Zionists exploited the situation, producing dramatic accounts of the holocaust such as the Diary of Anne Frank and Elie Wiesel´s Night. Faurisson considers the Diary of Anne Frank to be a forgery, and Night a fiction.[3]

13.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 05:51 pm

 

Quoting Aalaa

I didn´t say that Nazi didn´t kill more than million people, but the israelis acting as the whole story about them, and as it happened just to kill them.
And because I hate Israel that dosen´t mean I´m going to tell lies about them.

 

I dont know where you are from or what they taught you at school. The whole idea of nazis I mean the whole machine was to eliminate jews. It really doesnt matter, what you say, you can hide yourself in your wardrobe, you wont change the history. 

For a year I lived near Auschwitz Birkenau, 3 mins away. I walked there very often. The proof is there. Most old people  remember the holokaust.

Why dont you just SHUT UP!

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14.       stumpy
638 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 06:18 pm

Please no fighting, my grandfather told me remember, never forget what happened and pray it never happens again. 

 

15.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 06:52 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

"de omnibus dubitandum est"

Descartes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson

 Faurisson denies the reality of the Holocaust story as it is presented today in history textbooks or in the media. He claims that this story was invented by the victorious Allied powers as a propaganda device, and was readily embraced by dispossessed Jews. But in reality, according to Faurisson, there was no organized program of mass-murder initiated by the Nazis. He estimates that the number of Jews that died during World War II is much less than 6 million - perhaps half that number or less. The gas chambers alleged to have been used to kill millions of Jews were not actually used for that purpose, but rather for de-lousing and pest control. The gas chambers could not have been used for mass murder, because of chemical limitations of the gas itself and physical limitations of the gas-chamber mechanism. The Jews who did die in concentration camps died of communicable diseases such as typhus, exacerbated by crowding and overwork. Many Jewish families were separated by the war and ended up in different parts of the world (e.g. Canada, Israel, various parts of the United States), which led to a sense of loss and ready acceptance of the Holocaust story. Zionists exploited the situation, producing dramatic accounts of the holocaust such as the Diary of Anne Frank and Elie Wiesel´s Night. Faurisson considers the Diary of Anne Frank to be a forgery, and Night a fiction.[3]

 

What a crazy man that Faurisson is...

First of all, being WORKED to death is murder too. Not giving people food, stacking them up in little sheds, and making them work 20 hours a day is the same as killing them. This is a natural result of what the Nazi´s did. You can´t say "oh... those people dies of overwork" and say it is not part of the holocaust.

The diary of Anne Frank is real. The woman who was Anne´s friend, and who found the dairy has only died recently, otherwise she could have gone to that Faurisson and smacked him around the head for telling such lies.

I know a lot of people like to hate Jews, but that people would go so far as to deny the death of millions is crazy. The proof is so clear. Mein Kampf clearly states the ideas behind the Nazi´s, and the killing of "inferior" people, which included Jews, gypsies, but also the disabled.

 

 

I really wish that people who say they hate Jews would take the time to actually talk to a Jewish person. All they know about Jewish people is images of some Isreali´s with guns. Education is the only way we can make people realise how crazy their racist and xenophobic ideas are.

16.       christine
443 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 07:08 pm

 

Quoting stumpy

Please no fighting, my grandfather told me remember, never forget what happened and pray it never happens again. 

 

 

 

Wish words and yes let all hope it never happens again

17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 07:16 pm

I might be wrong but somehow I always think there is a strong connection between denial of Holocaust and anti antisemitism and racism..

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18.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 08:47 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I might be wrong but somehow I always think there is a strong connection between denial of Holocaust and anti antisemitism and racism..

 

{#emotions_dlg.doh}  what is it?

19.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Jul 2010 Sat 09:00 pm

 

Quoting stumpy

Please no fighting, my grandfather told me remember, never forget what happened and pray it never happens again. 

 

 

Things must be said. More and more often people start denying the holocaust. Suddenly out of blue, out of nowhere there are "historians", "teachers" and propagators who cross off one of the biggest tragedies of the modern age. Who are they? Where were they when drunk german soldiers were shooting at children playing outside (one of them was my father in law)?

You know, you are entitled to hate jews, germans whoever or whatever, but please show some respect to millions who died during WW2. The death toll of WW2 was the most greatest in the history of the whole world.

Whoever you are, dont write such rubbish and dont make me angry. Next time I wont be this polite. (this is not addressed to stumpy)

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20.       scalpel
1472 posts
 18 Jul 2010 Sun 12:19 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

I really wish that people who say they hate Jews would take the time to actually talk to a Jewish person. All they know about Jewish people is images of some Isreali´s with guns. Education is the only way we can make people realise how crazy their racist and xenophobic ideas are.

 

 You two are not at all fun to talk to, barba and theh. You don´t tolerate the difference of opinion. You think that you are always right. I know you hate it when someone disagrees with you and your propaganda, and you start to label them as racist, fascist, antisemitist, uneducated, ignorant and so. You terrorize people with your barrage of hate and bigotry. And you two seem to forget where Science starts from. Should I remind you that it starts from doubt; it does not start from believing. The moment you believe in something, you ahve stopped inquiring. Why should I blindly believe what you tell me? I am not so naive as to believe all what I am told. But I do try and find the best answers. But yes, there is always some truth in a story. But the problem is to find which part is true and which is not. I am not saying that holocaust didn´t exist, but there are some parts that are hard to believe.

I have never been racist in my life even though you have accused me of it many times. I can remember no post of yours which excluded the word "racist". This is not because all the people you are angry with are racists, but probably because your vocabulary is limited or because you are not creative enough to use some alternative words.

Do you know what,  I am living in İstanbul/kadıköy/Caddebostan where most of the Jewish population in the city resided. I have many Jewish neighbors, clients and, of course, friends. I am not anti-semitist, if you must know.

Do you know something else? I was 10 when I was first read "Anne Frank´ın Hatıra Defteri".

Well, I won´t bother to answer you two anymore.

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