- would he be likely to be?

Yes Hollywood makes films about the war but they do not represent the Allied point of view, it represents the American´s point of view.  Let me tell you that if it were not for the Canadians efforts the Americans would not have been the ones liberating France.  In the first hour of the battle on the Normandy coast Canada lost 50% of it´s fighting men and they faught against some of the best trained German soldiers like the 1st SS and 12th SS devisions and Panzer-Lehr-devision and this through Caen and Falaise to liberate Paris.

I am not saying that Canadians are better than Russians or Americans or any other country that fought.  Every country involved suffured massive losses.  If it were not for the combinated efforts of ALL Allies, and I include the Russians in the term Allies WW2 may have ended diffrently.

Now WW2 ended in 1945, the denials of the Holocaust started in the 50´s and 60´s, 15 to 25 years afterwards.  From 1950 to 1953 we had the Korean war.  From 1960 to 1975 it was the Vietnam war.

As for other facts, there is not one decade in the 20th century that did not see a war in one way or another in other words from 1900 to 1999 there has been a total of 20 estimated wars going on at one time or another with WW1 and WW2 having the most human lost.  Approximately 35 to 40 million soldiers have died in the wars of the Twentieth Century, nearly three quarters of them in the two World Wars.

I end this with a quote from Jack Handy a humorist who gives us a glimps of the nature of man: "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they´d never expect it."

Well, a similar incident happened in Korea. Turkish brigade originally intended as reserve forces were used by American and British generals as a shield to perform a retreat of their own soldiers. Turkish soldiers got involved in a face-to-face war with North Koreans at a place called Kunuri. Thousands were killed or maimed. As usual, Turkey was expected to send troops in return of some political benefits. Every little benefit Turkey gained from the West has always costed the country the lives of its soldiers.

  Good one.

Barba, I don´t think Alpha meant the boat incident in particular was a holocaust, but rather the situation as a whole for the Palestinians is.

Is it the amount of victims that determine if something is a holocaust? Look at the situation during the recent Operation Cast Lead by Israel. Were civilians even allowed to retrieve the bodies of slain loved ones? To many had to watch while wild dogs were eating them in front of their eyes.....They had to watch while their loved ones bleed to death in front of them, unable to get simple medical care that would have saved their lives and reduced suffering.

Open your eyes to the situation for the Palestinians. It is a slow death either by actually being shot, imprisoned for resisting, starving to death slowly (at any rate, not having the proper nutrition does damage growing bodies and brains. It kills future potential) I can´t even imagine what they are going through. Would I call it a holocaust? I don´t know what to call it, it doesn´t have a name....yet....but I do know it is wrong.  What the Israeli Right Wing goverement is doing to the Palestinians is wrong.  Uri Avnery, Illan Pappe and many honorable Israelis agree, but seem to be helpless to prevent it.

Read The Ethnic cleansing of Palestine...or The Goldstone Report....I don´t know how humans could have sunk so low...but I do know it´s important to recognize it....same as it´s important to recognize genocide so it´s not repeated, but if it has a name or not, we need to recognize wrong and stop it instead of being hung up on things having names. A starving bleeding sick child is still a bleeding starving sick child weather they are Jewish, African, Palestinian, Iraqi, Vietnamese..or anywhere. We need to do what we can to prevent it from happening, not arguing over what to call it. 

Holocaust is real, but so are Gazza and the 19 civilians killed by trained killers on an armless (except for sticks and kitchen knives) ship in open seas.

About a 100 million people died in WW2, roughly 5 millon were said to be of Jewish origin. The whole story is very sad, but the Jewish casualities were only 5%, for god´s sake !

How long will the rest of the world be ransomed over this story of "suffering Jews" ?

He has been accused of it......

Jihad against Finkelstein

It seems to me that you compare the Holocaust with the ship incident. In this case, dear Alpha, I reject any lamentation. You know, in central asia, turkic brothers (Kirgiz and Uzbek) are killing each other. If I tell you the stories I receive via email, you would be horrified. And of course its not trumpeted by the world media like in the case of the ship. At the moment whatever Israel does its at the attention of the whole world.

The case of Jewish Question was obvious. It was Nazi´s major objective, Number One goal. You are talking about the death toll of WW2, but the extermination of Jews has started long before WW2.

Jews did suffer throughtout the whole history. They do and will do Im sure.

However their suffering has nothing to do with the political moves of Israel.

Stumpy,

I appreciate what you wrote.

You know, it just makes me angry. The west knew well what was happening in Germany under Hitler. GB, France and USA just ignored, waited a bit, allowed all the attrocities, watched people being butchered. GB of course did everything what it could to protect its kingdom and USA greatly profitted from the war. They could have stopped it right from the beginning, they had everything, all millitary possibilities, but they didnt.

We live in the world of hypocracy.

I am sorry I am again angry.

Do you realise how big of a percentage that was of the total Jewish population? 60 to 70% of the total Jewish population was killed. I´m sorry, but 5 million isn´t big enough to be outraged about, but a couple of people on a boat is? The Holocaust is the name given to the events of World War 2. We give the supression of people in Gaza a different name. And if you want to talk percentages, those people in Gaza... what percentage of the total Muslim population do they really represent?  There are about 1,5 billion muslims in the world, and about 1,4 million people in the Gaza strip. So that´s less than 1% of the Muslim population. I can´t care about 5 to 6% of the deaths in World War 2, so I´m sure not going to care about 1% of the Muslims being surpressed right? (read this with sarcasm please, I do care)

I´m sorry. 19 people dying is horrible, however it´s not the Holocaust. People making this about the Holocaust are NOT helping the case of the people in Gaza at all, but they are just fueling more conflict. People get angry, instead of finding common grounds and peace.

A wrong can not be the justification of another wrong.

Nothing can decrease the savagery of Nazis and the sevegary of Israel as well.

Once upon a time Nazis tried to destroy whole Jews, Slavics, Gypsees, Poles etc. That had to be punished with the heaviest punishments. But that do not give the right to any of those groups to do the same.

None of those groups rather than Israel (Jews) do the same to other nations but Israel Messacres in Palestinia. The flotilla attack is a part of that big picture. 

Killing one innocent person is like killing the whole world. If one would like to be justice he/she shall begin with not to compare the number of deaths but to criticise the soul of the events.