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70.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 12:53 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

Alphaf and Lemon, let this be a chance to share our knowledge without flaming the other party. We all make this mistake now and then. Now it is the time to cool down. I believe everyone is learning something from one another. When we talk about sensitive matters we stand on the edge of a fight and flaming. When we ask a question about hidden intentions, personal interests etc, the fall begins. Let´s avoid these pitfalls they are very easy to avoid. 

I like your optimistic approach. However, the civilian ship confiscated in open sea, using brute military force, killing 19 armless relief workers is still not released and no apology - apart from idiotic excuses - from murderers seem to be forthcoming.

 

Do you still think I have personal intersts vested in the issue?

 



Edited (7/21/2010) by AlphaF

71.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 12:56 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

I don´t think Turkey was the only nation welcoming Jews then

"From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was one of the most tolerant countries in Europe.[2] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for Jewish paradise) it became a unique shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and a home to the world´s largest Jewish community. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[3][4][5]"

 

(from wikipedia)

 

Not really !....It would be a miracle to spot a Sephardic Jew elsewhere...See if you can find a Jew speaking Ladino in Poland.

Jews of any interest ever settled in Poland are the so called "Frankists". Their leader was eventually prisoned for his unique sermons and his followers were forced to accept Christianity. More information is available on the net.

 



Edited (7/21/2010) by AlphaF

72.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 01:53 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

I am not talking about Jews in general...My post clearly specifies Sephardic Jews.

 

 

 

Even so, what did they do to deserve torture?

 

73.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 02:32 pm

Let´s set the record straight. The focus here is on the need for exchanging messages without flaming the other party. It is not a call made specifically for you.

I don´t think you have a special interest regarding this matter, I don´t think your meaning is bad either. I know you are angry over Israel´s blatant violation of international laws and subsequently turning this into a show of bravado.

On paper Israel is a tiny country, they can play the victim whenever they need a favour from the US. I am sure they are doing this when they talk to the US leaders emphasizing how important having a full-fledged defense system in place to maintain the country´s existence in the Middle East is. Peculiarly, the US appreciates this need and provides the country with a generous access to its conventional and nuclear arsenal. Presently, it is believed that Israel owns 200 nuclear war-heads and a good supply of all the biochemical weapons known to man. It is impercievable that US would let Israel play with all this power unless of course Israel is considered by the US as an avatar. In the end, these two countries are known to be responsible for the formation of the Neocon stance.

To make a long story short, it was not only Israel that attacked the flotilla. Since the end of the 80´s there is a search for alternative political and economic formations that could counterbalance the unreasonable weight the US and Israel have gained over the recent years and these two are showing their baseball sticks whenever their authority is challenged. They have a simple policy that can be summer up as "If you are not my friend you are my enemy." We have become the enemy of Israel although we have not killed a single Jew. The terror incidents in South East have suspiciously increased several folds. The terrorist now have access to more powerful weapons. Brazil gave up on it role to moderate the talks between the West and Iran after receiving a denouncing statement from the US.

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

I like your optimistic approach. However, the civilian ship confiscated in open sea, using brute military force, killing 19 armless relief workers is still not released and no apology - apart from idiotic excuses - from murderers seem to be forthcoming.

 

Do you still think I have personal intersts vested in the issue?

 

 

 

74.       stumpy
638 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 03:01 pm

Quote:AlphaF

It would be a miracle to spot a Sephardic Jew elsewhere

 

AlphaF,

There is a significant community of Sephardic Jews in Montreal Canada, you can also find one in New York



Edited (7/21/2010) by stumpy

75.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 03:17 pm

I am always amazed to see the level of imagination some people show when it comes to ´trying to find foreign involvements for our own internal Kurdish problem´!! {#emotions_dlg.eeek}

No countries can escape from this paranoid imagination of us..

USA/ALL EU(FRANCE/UK/BELGIUM/GERMANY/ITALY/GREECE)/ARMENIA/RUSSIA/IRAQ etc and now Israel..

Narnia and middle-earth are next!!

Phew!!  

76.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 03:26 pm

Thehandsom, you will not stop ridiculing people, will you?

Quoting thehandsom

I am always amazed to see the level of imagination some people show when it comes to ´trying to find foreign involvements for our own internal Kurdish problem´!! {#emotions_dlg.eeek}

No countries can escape from this paranoid imagination of us..

USA/ALL EU(FRANCE/UK/BELGIUM/GERMANY/ITALY/GREECE)/ARMENIA/RUSSIA/IRAQ etc and now Israel..

Narnia and middle-earth are next!!

Phew!!  

 

 

77.       oeince
582 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 03:38 pm

It´s an absolute childeshness to consider international relations out of scope while commenting about ethnic conflicts.

78.       oeince
582 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 03:59 pm

Quote:vineyards

They have a simple policy that can be summer up as "If you are not my friend you are my enemy." We have become the enemy of Israel although we have not killed a single Jew. The terror incidents in South East have suspiciously increased several folds. The terrorist now have access to more powerful weapons. Brazil gave up on it role to moderate the talks between the West and Iran after receiving a denouncing statement from the US.
+1

79.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 10:51 pm

You know, there is a middle way. It seems like people are either in the "nobody has nothig to do with anything" camp, or in the "the USA is behind EVERYTHING" camp. What happened to a more realistic view of reality? Political and economic ties do have an effect on a lot of stuff, but the USA is not trying to create war everywhere and destroy the world with nuclear weapons. It´s a shame that people don´t appreciate proof and logical thinking anymore... It´s like everything is black or white, and nobody is able to see that most of the world is grey.

80.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Jul 2010 Wed 11:10 pm

I am yet to see any of your grey tones. You say the US is not trying to create wars, just check out how many of the wars currently being fought have the US as one of the sides. The US is the most warlike nation in the world. It has the largest military budget and it is never tired of reinforcing its arsenal. The US is so much involved in expensive military campaigns, countless international military bases etc. that it has become economically difficult to maintain them. What else do you expect them to do; invade Europe maybe?

Quoting barba_mama

It´s a shame that people don´t appreciate proof and logical thinking anymore... It´s like everything is black or white, and nobody is able to see that most of the world is grey.

 

 

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