Stumpy, sorry. Its me again. Started talking to you, ended talking to someone else.

no problem Lemon, I was wondering and was not too sure, it´s ok and I think we are on the same page concerning this issue

"Break border" is the key phrase here.  Israeli attack was in open seas. Fully armed and trained killers attacked a civilian ship in full cowardice. One of the victims had 5 bullets thru his head (indicating that there was at least one trigger happy bugger among the brave Israeli commandos) and a few received the bullets from the tops of their heads (meaning the shots were indiscriminately fired from the helicopters).

The relief ship was thoroughly searched after it was confiscated; no weapons other than sticks (actually spade and showel handles as part of construction aid carried) and kitchen knives were found.

Your insuniation that my interest may lay with relief workers´ religion or nationality, rather than their humane intentions is total crap; 8 the 19 relief workers murdered in cold blood were neither muslims nor Turks. Your peaceful killers killed anyone in sight.

My message clearly says "all atrocities should be equally condemned...." . Your reply clowns around, asking me why I do not condemn this or that other atrocity.

Alphaf and Lemon, let this be a chance to share our knowledge without flaming the other party. We all make this mistake now and then. Now it is the time to cool down. I believe everyone is learning something from one another. When we talk about sensitive matters we stand on the edge of a fight and flaming. When we ask a question about hidden intentions, personal interests etc, the fall begins. Let´s avoid these pitfalls they are very easy to avoid. 

Absolutely fine by me. If necessary I apologise to Alpha, I may have been overtaken by my emotions.

Let me stay away from this thread. 

I dont mind the discussion going on about politics etc. but not on holocaust or WW2.

My regards to everyone and I apologise if I hurt anyone´s feelings.

Being an angel does not suit you!!

There seems to be a tendency these days to play down the holocaust and talk up other events. Alpha said earlier that only 5 million Jews were killed or 5% of the total killed in the war but this was over 50% of the Jewish population in Europe. If you single out Poland the figure is far higher. Most of these men,women and children were non-combatants and singled out simply because they were Jewish. Vineyards says it was a long time ago, yes but I was almost 8 years old when the war ended and remember my mother listening to war reports on a crackly radio. During my army service in Germany in the late fifties I was stationed at Hohne and Fallinbostel quite near to the Bergen Belsen camp and there was still large numbers of Poles and other Eastern Europeans in our camps who could not go back to their homes. 

The thing is that its not me neither anyone else who play the Holocaust card for justification of Israeli action but people who hate jews do play this card saying that it didnt happen or only a few jews died. Everytime something happens related to Israel or jews its always played. I dont know what thy want to achieve.

As for eastern europeans didnt or couldnt return was simple. In Soviet Union they were arrested again and sent to camps again and later on killed for being "traitors".

I never said the Holocaust could be used to excuse the actions of the Israelis. I was merely replying to attempts on here to trivialise the event. Alpha said for gods sake only 5 million Jews died but 5 million out of a total of 9.5 million in Europe is a lot of people.

You were right Barbara, I should be more fair. Jewish  not all the same, and the world saw some of them who out in demonstrations supporting Arabic issues, in America, England and in Israel itself. So thanks for reminding me.

I reduced my replay after reading all replays, No communts on Holocust. I am not agreeing about must of what had been saying here.

that´s all.

thanks fo everybody, it´s my first post in multiculture forum. and nice to meet you all