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Great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!
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60.       scalpel
1472 posts
 22 Sep 2010 Wed 09:24 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well, I am not sure that is the result of the constitutional changes or generic behavior of the Turkish judiciary. 

But where were you guys when hundreds of writers were in the courts because of 301 (the old constitution you have been so passionate to save), did you open your mouth when there were thousands of cases of human rights abuses, tortures, killings because of the power given to the authorities with the old constitution? Did you feel ashamed when Turkey was convicted in EU human right courts because our own citizens could not find the justice in our biased judiciary or  prosecute the torturers, the killers with our constitution?  

 I wish you could follow up all other cases in the past but i am glad you are following up these type of cases now. lol

 

Just to inform you: 301 was not included in the package as it was already changed in 18.04.2008

61.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2010 Thu 03:05 am

Obviously there are not any elites anymore but pro AKP supporters. And if you are not one, probably you take a deep breath in Silivri prison in such a democratic way, so democratic and just that people have been imprisoned for more than two years without knowing their guilt. And by the way these pro AKP supporters lets say lickers prefer to live with coup loving people´s of Aegean region instead of democratic Bingöl or prefer to drink in status quo Kadıköy instead of freedom castle Esenler.

The map I posted shows a deep division of TR started with Türk-Kürt, Alevi-Sunni and now evetçi-hayırcı. People mostly suspicious of eachother, there is no trust any foundation of state, and I think in this case it is better to forget about these democracy lies. Definitely 48% who voted "No" do not trust any action of current government, interpreting this, those people do not care about democracy, is just foolish. And this also does not mean those people do not want a new constitution.

Thinking that "Yes" voters voted for the ammendments is of course wrong, in the end most of them are not constitution professors as well as the "No" voters. But many of them obeyed the constitution professor in US who resurrected the deads to vote "Yes", maybe that is why number of voters skyrocketing...

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

 

62.       armegon
1872 posts
 23 Sep 2010 Thu 03:14 am

And where are those democracy and human rights lovers when people are being imprisoned for years without being sentenced? 

Actually it is not about following up any case in Turkish Judiciary system, it is about from now on Turkish Judiciary system cannot control over the actions of governments? Means like people of TR cannot ask where their taxes going...

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well, I am not sure that is the result of the constitutional changes or generic behavior of the Turkish judiciary. 

But where were you guys when hundreds of writers were in the courts because of 301 (the old constitution you have been so passionate to save), did you open your mouth when there were thousands of cases of human rights abuses, tortures, killings because of the power given to the authorities with the old constitution? Did you feel ashamed when Turkey was convicted in EU human right courts because our own citizens could not find the justice in our biased judiciary or  prosecute the torturers, the killers with our constitution?  

 I wish you could follow up all other cases in the past but i am glad you are following up these type of cases now. lol

 

 

63.       scalpel - -
203 posts
 17 Apr 2017 Mon 02:02 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

...

It is a great day for Turkey and Turkish democracy!!

Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir.. Everywhere.. 

Turkish people have broken the chains of 12th of September.. 

This is a double festival!! 

The best ever festival for last 30 years..

...

Now, we want more.. This was the ammendments for ´being able to make a  new constitution´. We want a new one, a new constitution which will crown our republic...    

 

 

It was September 2010..

You were happy like a kid with his favourite candy floss..

that fluffy ball of pure sugar must have melted in your mouth in a couple of years..

there remained nothing but a sticky stick in your hand..

"we want a new one, a new constitution which will crown our republic..."

this sounds so fantastic..  

well, here is a new constitution which you couldn´t wait for..

which would crown our republic..

just wondering.. still happy as you were in 2010?.. and still think the same way?

 

 



Edited (4/17/2017) by scalpel - -

64.       kertmeyenkele
100 posts
 17 Apr 2017 Mon 02:44 pm

 

Quoting scalpel - -

 

 

It was September 2010..

You were happy like a kid with his favourite candy floss..

that fluffy ball of pure sugar must have melted in your mouth in a couple of years..

there remained nothing but a sticky stick in your hand..

"we want a new one, a new constitution which will crown our republic..."

this sounds so fantastic..  

well, here is a new constitution which you couldn´t wait for..

which would crown our republic..

just wondering.. still happy as you were in 2010?.. and still think the same way?

 

 

 

New constitution?

Is there anything left as far as Separation of powers is concerned?

 

As per Montesquieu, if there is no sepation of powers, then there is no constitution either.......

 

 

65.       denizli
957 posts
 17 Apr 2017 Mon 02:46 pm

So how long will Erdo─čan be in power for?

And is it true some of the new constitution contradicts Atatürk?



Edited (4/17/2017) by denizli

66.       kertmeyenkele
100 posts
 17 Apr 2017 Mon 03:25 pm

Interesting read:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/16/rip-turkey-1921-2017/

67.       scalpel - -
203 posts
 17 Apr 2017 Mon 05:09 pm

 

Quoting denizli

So how long will Erdo─čan be in power for?

And is it true some of the new constitution contradicts Atatürk?

 

a) till he dies..

b) unfortunately yes, it is true..

 

68.       denizli
957 posts
 17 Apr 2017 Mon 05:34 pm

 

Quoting kertmeyenkele

Interesting read:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/16/rip-turkey-1921-2017/

 

After reading that, it almost seems like Atatürk merely wanted to align Turkey with the West, disappointing Eastern Turkey. And Erdo─čan merely wants to align Turkey with the East, disappointing Western Turkey.

So are there many Turkish people in the East or Turkish Conservatives who are not fans of Atatürk or something?

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69.       kertmeyenkele
100 posts
 17 Apr 2017 Mon 07:35 pm

 

Quoting denizli

 

 

After reading that, it almost seems like Atatürk merely wanted to align Turkey with the West, disappointing Eastern Turkey. And Erdo─čan merely wants to align Turkey with the East, disappointing Western Turkey.

So are there many Turkish people in the East or Turkish Conservatives who are not fans of Atatürk or something?

 

There are haters let alone being "not fan of" him.

70.       denizli
957 posts
 01 May 2017 Mon 09:50 pm

 

Quoting kertmeyenkele

 

 

There are haters let alone being "not fan of" him.

 

1. So what does the result actually mean i.e. can Erdo─čan make his own laws and/or reject any laws passed in parliament?

2. What is a specific example of something where this result rejects something from Atatürk?

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