What would happen to her in the street? Would she be arrested, punished, molested? Would she have to stay inside her home all the time?

If this question is uncomfortable, feel free to ignore it. I´m just curious.

It seems that the destiny of Turkic people in the south was very much the same as what happened to Baltic peoples in the west during Stalin´s massacre.

By the way, there is an old Tatar minority in Finland. They imigrated from Russia Novgorod area between 1870 and 1920 and they were the first Muslim community in Finland. There was even an active Turkish school with a crescent on its roof in Helsinki until 1980´s. Nowadays most of the Tatars speak Finnish or Swedish as their mother tongue but a Tatar organization (http://www.ftb.fi/tataari_kieliversio/) works to rescue the culture. The language looks very funny.

Veiled women are facing trouble in some European countries. How do they live in Turkey?

Thanks for stopping over, MarioninTurkey and Prashantsharma. Sorry the house was a mess. Mavili, I always keep telling other learners that making mistakes is good, but to be honest I take my own faults too seriously. After seeing the corrections I am always so much ashamed of them I have to hide my face in a pillow for quarter an hour before I can think again. After that I begin to prepare a new embarassment for myself. I guess I am some kind of a maniac but a harmless one.

And thanks for the light of knowledge. tunci, you talk about hypothetical and contrafactual conditions. Could you give an example of the hypothetical type, please.

If you say so.

imzala|dık|ları = verb stem + participle marker + possessive suffix pl 3rd

I think it is a dik-participle that means ´which the Allies signed together with the Osman state´. The whole structure acts as an attribute to the following word which could be anlaşma ´agreement´ or something similar.

This was a learner´s guess.

If sg 2^nd –n- ties çanta|n|ı to the owner (to the real world) then what ties it to okul? Isn’t it that sg 3^rd person okul çanta|sı doesn’t necessarily have to refer to any owner, the possessive suffix is there to show the connection with the first part of the compound? It seems that the real owner always overrides the grammatical marking of togetherness.

Notes:

1. Conditionals:

The only way to go further from this zero point is to try to analyze the mistakes. I guess I found a logic in them.

Referring to the earlier Pluperfect thread where the old erdinc’s system was brought up again I noticed that in eight of the sixteen sentences I had interpreted the situation as “Possible Condition and its Probable Result” where it should have been “Unreal Past Condition and its Probable Past result”. Actually almost all of them represented this type: -se- + (idi) in the if clause, aorist + -di- in the main clause. This is something to start with.

Obviously I have understood Unreal Past Condition too narrowly. A couple of examples from the corrected sentences will clear it:

         Kızlar daha erken yatsalar, bütün ders esnemezlerdi.

         Kendi sebzesini yetiştirse, onları satın almak zorunda kalmazdı.

What I was trying to use in these was aorist + -se- in the if clause and simple future in the main clause, because I thought these sentences were merely talking about a chance which is not limited to a certain time: the girls wouldn’t feel tired all day and this person wouldn’t have to buy vegetables, if they used this possibility that they have (slept earlier or started growing vegetables). In the driving exam example, however, the chance has gone already and the situation is completely in the past and I chose the correct forms:

         Sürme sınavında başarısız olmasa, ana babasi ona arabaları ödünç verirdi.

But it’s obvious that this was a wrong way to see it. Instead, I should have put the stress in the fact that in all three the preconditions were not filled and this is the result.

Is it enough reason to use dilek şart that the proposition in if clause did not become reality, as it seems to me now? Doesn’t it matter that it could any time?

Only one of my Possible Condition and its Probable Result mode sentences was accepted:

         Yeşil düğmeye basarsanız, kapının kiliti açılacak.

It describes a mechanic reason-result situation. Maybe this is good for me to remember as an example.

What comes to if clauses, strange as it may sound, I know much more about them now than a couple of days ago. That is the benefit of making a fool of myself once again. But I’m not done with ifs yet. Instead of translating something nice and amusing next week I will have to practice them again.

2. Small questions:

- Isn’t okul çanta a compound? Why is there no possessive suffix?

-  terk et|mez|di|m, dokun|maz|dı|m: I thought the negative suffix in aorist tense sg+pl 1^st is shortened to –me-.

When all the verb forms in relatively simple sentences are wrong there is not much left. Anyway, sağ olun, si++.

What a disappointment. I never saw it in real life.