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Thread: Not, without, none, -less...

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caliptrix
3055 posts

11 Aug 2007 Sat 01:56 pm

Quoting si++:

Quoting caliptrix:

4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.

preposition? you probably mean "postposition", right?

In Turkish
Edat = postposition

In languages like French, English
Edat = preposition

As I said, my English is not perfect, but these "edat"s are not after the word. So, what do you think?

Thread: Is it ‘erkek’ or ‘ekmek’ that I want?

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caliptrix
3055 posts

10 Aug 2007 Fri 10:21 am

Quoting pisagor22:

muhtemelen "kemerlenmişti" kelimesini ilk kullanan kişi olarak tarihe geÃ§eceksin.

google a , "kemerlendi" "kemerlenmek" "kemerlenmişti"

yazarsan "sıfır" sonuÃ§ Ã§ıktığını gÃ¶rÃ¼rsÃ¼n.

- www.tdk.org
"kemerlenmek sÃ¶zÃ¼ bulunamadı."

İcat ettiğin kelimenin patenti iÃ§in başvuru yapabilirsin, tamamen orjinal ve sana ait, hiÃ§ bir telif sorunu Ã§ıkmayacaktır.

Saygılar

Sanki alaycı bir cevap gibi geldi. Ben de senin gibi dÃ¼şÃ¼nÃ¼yorum ama bÃ¶yle bir tarzda sÃ¶ylemek bence hoş değil.

"kemerlenmek", "kaşarlanmak" gibi bir şeyi Ã§ağrıştırıyor. 'Kemer yoktu ama beli bir vakit durunca kemer haline geldi' gibi ya da 'kemerimiz yoktu, kemer aldık kemerlendik' gibi. Ama hayatımda ilk kez duyuyorum. BÃ¶yle bir kelime varsa da terim olabilir, mesela mimarlıkta "kemer"le alakalı bir şey.

Ayrıca Google gibi bir internet arama motorunda aranmış olması elbette onun var olup olmadığını gÃ¶stermez ama AlphaF burda ne denmek istediğini anladı da laf oyunu yapıyor değil mi?

Thread: Not, without, none, -less...

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caliptrix
3055 posts

10 Aug 2007 Fri 09:36 am

değil is a noun

yok is an adjective

They are not verbs.

değil:

Quote:

CÃ¼mle iÃ§inde art arda kullanılan iki veya daha Ã§ok Ã¶zneyi, tÃ¼mleci, yÃ¼klemi, aralarından bazılarına olumsuzluk kavramı vererek birbirine bağlayan veya yÃ¼klemin olumsuz Ã§ekimini sağlayan kelime

The word which makes the predicate (verb) negative, or which links two or more subjects, objects, or predicates each other by giving the negative meaning for some of them, in a sentence.

yok:

Quote:

1. (sıfat) Bulunmayan, mevcut olmayan (nesne, kimse vb.), var karşıtı.
2. Yasak
3. (isim) Olmayan, bulunmayan şey
4 . (edat) "Hayır" anlamında kullanılan bir sÃ¶z
5 . (bağlaÃ§) Birbirine karşıt iki cÃ¼mleden, ikincisinin başına getirilen bir sÃ¶z
6 . (bağlaÃ§) Birinin sÃ¶ylediği sÃ¶zlerden genelde kuşkulanıldığında veya sÃ¶zler hafifsendiğinde kullanılan bir sÃ¶z
7 . (edat) Savunulan bir dÃ¼şÃ¼nceyi doğrulayan sÃ¶zÃ¼n başına getirilir

1. (adjective) The thing (object, person, etc.) which doesn't exist. Opposite of "var" (exist)
2. Something forbidden
3. (noun) the thing which doesn't exist, which there is not.
4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.

These are definitions from Turkish Language Organization (TDK - TÃ¼rk Dil Kurumu)

I will try to translate the examples as well.

1. (adjective) The thing (object, person, etc.) which doesn't exist. Opposite of "var" (exist)
There is not an example in TDK website for the first definiton

2. Something forbidden
İÃ§ki, sigara yok
Drink, cigarrette forbidden

3. (noun) the thing which doesn't exist, which there is not.
Sen yoktan anlamaz mısın?
Don't you understand (when you say) "absence"
(like; "I said we don't have, but you insist")

4. (preposition/particle) A word used for "no"
-Geldiler mi?
- Yok, daha gelmediler
- Have they come?
-No, they haven't yet

5. (conjunction) A word put before the second of the sentences which are opposite.
Verdiler, ne Ã¢lÃ¢; yok vermediler, dÃ¶ner gelirsin
If they give, how good (it is ok); or if they don't, you will turn back

6. (conjunction) A word used when it is suspected of the words someone said, generally, or when it is not cared
Yok kÃ¢ğıdı kalmamış, yok mÃ¼rekkebi iyi değilmiş, hasılı bir alay bahaneler!

He says he didn't have papers, his ink wasn't good, in short, many cloaks... (writer doesn't believe in his excuses)

7. (preposition/particle) A word put before the word which confirms an idea defended.
Yok, doğrusu iyi adam, kim ne derse desin.
Well, in fact, he is a good man, who says whatever.

If there is something wrong in the writing, about English, sorry. I am trying to improve my English. I hope this helps everyone.

Kolay gelsin

Thread: Not, without, none, -less...

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caliptrix
3055 posts

10 Aug 2007 Fri 09:31 am

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

Sorry everyone.

Ben aptalım = I AM stupid ...

and pressed return twice so the message went twice. Sorry!

I think you are not fair! So, anyone who pressed twice is stupid?

If all accidents make people stupid, no one is normal lol

Don't say that, even for yourself.

Thread: Turkish/English Please?

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caliptrix
3055 posts

09 Aug 2007 Thu 10:37 am

Quoting Badiabdancer74:

...but we barely know each other! Oh it's the translation...o.k.

So, ask him your number or the number of the girls that he said these things lol

Thread: satın

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caliptrix
3055 posts

09 Aug 2007 Thu 10:09 am

Quoting longinotti1:

Quoting caliptrix:

Quoting si++:

Quoting caliptrix:

satmak means "to sell"
sat is the root and singular imperative
satın is plural imperative form

Do you mean this satın is the same as the "satın" in "satın almak"? They are not.

You should add the smiley to your quote too: "

" because I put it as well lol

Sorry if I did not make enough explanation. I only said the meaning of "satın" itself.

so what was the right way to ask if the glass for sale.
(when I come back I may want to ask this)

"Bu bardağı satılık edıyorsın mı?"

"Satılık" is an adjective, so you should say:

Bu bardak satılık mı? "Is this glass for sale?"

Or you may ask to the owner if he sells:

Bu bardağı satıyor musun(uz)? "Do you sell this glass?"

You can see: "satılık ev"," satılık araba" etc.
There is no usage for "satılık" like you think.

for sale= satılık
to sell= satmak
to buy= satın almak

Eğer bu bardağı satıyorsan(ız), almak istiyorum.
If you sell this glass, I want to buy
Bu bardağı bana satar mısın(ız)?
Could you sell this glass to me?

PS: suffixes in the brackets are for plural or formal "you"

Thread: Subjunctive Tense Help please!

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caliptrix
3055 posts

09 Aug 2007 Thu 10:02 am

Quoting Taksimdeyim:

gelmek - to come - becomes - gel-e-yim - I better come

1. geleyim - let me come, I better come
2. gelesin - let you come, you should come along
3. O gele - let him come, he should come
4. gelelim - let us come, we better come
5. gelesiniz - let you come, you come along
6. geleler - let them come, they ought to come too

One and four, OK. Perhaps arguing over whether those are imperatives or "subjunctive" is semantics... I know what they mean and I see them all the time.

But "gelesin?" That's new to me. "Gel," "gelin," "gelsiniz," "gelmelisin," and "gelmelisiniz" I know... but "gelesin?"

As you wrote, "geleyim" and "gelelim" are used. The others are not much used, because there are: imperatives: "gel", "gelsin", "gelin", "gelsinler"

They are imperatives and you cannot order yourself as imperative. For that reason, this blank is filled with geleyim and gelelim.

BugÃ¼n teyzeme gideyim (decide) :"I"
BugÃ¼n teyzeme git (order) :"you"
BugÃ¼n teyzeme gitsin (order for third person, "tell him to go" or "force it to go"): "he/she/it"

BugÃ¼n teyzeme gidelim mi? or just "gidelim" (offer) :"we"
bugÃ¼n teyzeme gidin (order): "you all"
BugÃ¼n teyzeme gitsinler (order for "they", "tell them to go"/"force them to go") : they

On the other hand, don't forget that Turkish imperatives are something like "orders from boss", or wishes/wants from close friends. As example;

Boss orders!:

Gel buraya! Come here!
Gelin buraya! come here (you all)!

For that reason, if you are not a boss, or a close friend, it would be a rude saying for the other person/people to use imperative. You should not ask for help from someone unless you are in a very urgent bad conditionals: "bana yardım et!"
Then, he may ask: "Why do I have to help?"

Anwyay, maybe I am not used to use/hear imperatives from strangers

Gidelim Gaffur! lol

Thread: satın

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caliptrix
3055 posts

09 Aug 2007 Thu 09:19 am

Quoting si++:

Quoting caliptrix:

satmak means "to sell"
sat is the root and singular imperative
satın is plural imperative form

Do you mean this satın is the same as the "satın" in "satın almak"? They are not.

You should add the smiley to your quote too: "

" because I put it as well lol

Sorry if I did not make enough explanation. I only said the meaning of "satın" itself.

Thread: satın

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caliptrix
3055 posts

09 Aug 2007 Thu 09:17 am

Quoting bod:

Seems I might have made a mistake in Turkia when I was there last year. I was in the bar at Amos and was served rakı in a proper rakı glass.....I asked the owner:
Bu bardağı alabilir miyim?
I think I should have asked:
Bu bardağı satın alabilir miyim?

I wanted to buy the glass - not take it.....although I think this was clear when I then asked how much it was - in the end I was given the glass and a matching one

I don't think that you made a mistake because almak is used for the verb "to buy" as well.

When you say "bu bardağı alabilir miyim?", it may mean both:
-May I take this glass?
-May I buy this glass?

Thread: No water in Ankara!

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caliptrix
3055 posts

07 Aug 2007 Tue 11:08 pm

Until this event, I did not heard that Ankara's tap water is bad for drink. Whoever I know in Ankara drink tap water. Water shortage of Ankara work like this: One day water-one day reduction.

Many big buildings have their private depots. So, they don't feel the drought as much as the others. The worst thing is that it is very hot here...

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